What do you think?

I think that "gay marriage" is just another way that this group of whining, complaining, immoral individuals is trying to make the gay lifestyle part of mainstream America. It is along the same lines as prime time TV, I think just about every show has it's token homosexual. "They (GLAD) are trying to force their lifestyle into every home in America. Well...NOT IN MY HOUSE!!! When that crap comes on TV, the channel gets changed!
The simple fact that gay marriage is even a major point of discussion in todays society, tells me that our Country is in moral decline! It's a shame!!!
That's what I think.
Brandon:mad:

What do you think about it FWW?

I vote no.
Like on Sienfeld "Not that there's anything wrong with that" what happens in a divorce? Can the overburdened courts handle this?

mar·riage ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mrj)
n.

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

I don't have a beef with gay people getting together and living their lives as happy as they can ... but I think we have to draw the line when it comes to marriage.

There are a lot of religious, socio-economic, and legal issues here - it's very rich and complicated and I don't feel like getting into a substantive discussion about it.

-ww

FWW =you gotta start #^&#^&#^&#^& //this is a fishin site & to each their own ===============:smash:

Like you needed to buy another reel/

still got bait =you got time ???///////;)

I was listening to the UMASS game on the radio last night (Bring it Bobby Knight!) When I heard my girlfriend yell downstairs something about striped-bass and to turn to 57. Well, it was that show Gay Eye for the Strait Guy. Anyway, the gay chef guy was showing the straight guy a recipe for striped-bass. He put some kind of glaze on it. So at least they have good taste in fish. It impressed the guys girlfriend so much she moved in with him.

To each their own. It does not bother me except perhaps using the naming convention "marriage". I'm on the fence about it as the historical, social, and religous meanings for thousands of years define it as a union of man & woman. I think "marriage" should be reserved for man & wife but I think SSCs (same sex couples - how's that for an acronym :rollem: ) can have something comparable but using perhaps a different name. I believe a lot in our constitution and our constitution does afford SSCs the same rights & priveledges allowed by all and they should, by the constitution, be allowed to make a legal, couple, binding but perhaps under a different name?. I really have not thought this all through as I have bigger things on my plate locally than thinking globally...

If a homosexual couple wants to get married, then they should go to Vermont. Massachuetts is already crowded with tenants. I got no beef with them unless they hit on me, then I get pissed hard and easily. Yo, what about Bisexuality marriage? Supposed a straight individual has a bi gf or bf and three of them want to get married and lead a odd polygamy marriage?

what's your opinion on this one? have you dudes ever thought about it?

Notaro - you have too much time on your hands :laughs:

gay marriage...well dont really bother me if two people really love each other than great....but I dont think they need their own PUBLICLY funded schools (wasnt that an issue in NY or something?? if its private and they pay there own way fine)

This bi thing has me baffled though????? is that supposed to be like having your cake and................oh never mind!

I don't really care if it's not going to cost me any more money, nor change MY lifestyle nor that of my kids, nor inconvenience me in any way. I got too much of my own chit to worry about rather than if I have issues with the fact that Johnny has two dads. My wife wishes we had some gay people in our development, because she says gay men make great neighbors. I suppose so in one sense, at least I wouldn't have to worry about them coveting their neighbor's wife.

Well, I had a lot of service time before the current 'Don't ask, Don't Tell Revolution' and the few soldiers who I found out were gay but didn't advertise it were usually very good soldiers, even the one in Vietnam who served under fire very well.

But even when I moved to NH in 1996, a neighbor two doors down ( female ) came over and very nicely introducted herself and said 'Hope you don't mind but I'm a Lesbian.' I said without a smile 'Gee, I think I'm a Lesbian too, I'm always looking for women'. We've shared many a laugh since then.

But openly gay marriages ? Not one of my priorities to approve of. Whats next, I could want 2 or 3 wives, my wife could want 2 or 3 husbands. Where would it end? Probably with me washing dishes.

Ah to heck with it. Only 5 months until I take the boat out of the forest and find someone to teach this ole fart how to fish for stripers here in Seacoast NH.

The Ole Sarge

I have to say who cares? The way I look at it, if your child came home, announced he/she was gay and getting married would you kick them out, tell them it was wrong etc... The religious implications aside... if it doesnt affect me then who cares... oh and Notaro, I agree with you, I dislike being hit on by dudes.. thankfully being the non preppy type their GAYDAR doesn't go off with me.... I vote yes.. who cares... lets talk fishin'

Bryan

Originally posted by Clammer
FWW =you gotta start #^&#^&#^&#^& //this is a fishin site & to each their own ===============:smash:

Like you needed to buy another reel/

still got bait =you got time ???///////;)

Mike - I dunno. This weekend and next are booked - you think there will still be them whitechins around after x giving?

I think that gay couples deserve the same benefits of a MONOGAMOUS relationship as heterosexual coples do. Most people against these unions are afraid that it will affect their lives directly, like having a gay neighbor is going to rub off on them somehow. The big argument was the "morality" issue, as if the fact that the "straight" couples had set any kind of a moral example. (How many glorified celebrities have been through more marriages than most people have shoes? Why do most TV shows brazenly endorse immoral virtues, having every character sleep with every other character?
I have an uncle who has been in a same-sex relationship for well over thirty years.
Wierd that a lot more people are not as eager to get married because of the cost of getting divorced. Funny, HUH?

Notaro,

you are tweaked. Remind me never to go to far offshore on your boat.

:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

Just kidding but John is right.

Try not to think too deep on this one.

:eek:

Sorry guys, I just can't shut up on this one...

As we turn on the TV or radio, or even reading the newspaper...we are constantly being barraged with this agenda, and it has finally begun to desensitize mainstream society to the degree of compromising the Christian values that made us a great Nation.

It sickens me to see that society would label those who stand for truth like the Judge Moore's of society as being "intolerant" for upholding the basis for law that constitutes the very foundation of society, while pornography and this vile lifestyle continues to flood our airwaves and newspapers!

These are the days that were written about thousands of years ago by the prophets that warned of days coming in which right will be called wrong, and wrong will be called right...

As we talk about these things, there are those out there who are considering adopting laws that will allow government to legislate the very thoughts of an individual who is not afraid to speak the truth.

It will one day be labeled a hate crime to say that these things are wrong, and as homosexuals make their way into the churches of america with their agenda, they will have successfully covered the mouths of what I believe to be still at this time, the majority.

Most americans still believe in values today,

But...

As we continue to remove God and values from our Nation, we remove the very foundation that our God protects.

Voice your opinion now while you can, because the day is surely coming where it wont be legal to do so!

America is great because America is good! Once she ceases to be good, she will also cease to be great!

Our society is plummeting toward hell in a handbasket on a greased pole!...

And as homosexuals come out the closet, they are trying to push us Christians into one!

I don't hate homosexuals, but I do hate what they do.

It's not natural and it's not healthy.

If anyone wants to show true love for them, they would tell them that what they are doing is wrong.

Condoning behavior that is unhealthy to someone is not showing them love.

Love looks out for the best for others, and yet those who do that from a sincere heart are being labeled as haters, and as intollerant!!!

Homosexuals are fighting harder than ever to justify what they know to be wrong! It's as though it will lend credibility toward justifying their actions rather than fessing up to the responsibility that comes in dealing with personal sin in their own lives!

Every one of us are responsible for our own actions... none of us are perfect, but blaming others for ones own actions is a cop out!

For those of you who have flip flopped on this issue, I have a message for you from the Media and activists out there pushing this agenda...

The message?....

GOTCHA!... it worked! ...you have compromised!

Welcome to the new world that's coming!

Those who are unwilling to stand for something will fall for anything!

Sorry Ben, but the developments of this week have both sickened me and saddened me.

I am not ashamed to be politically incorrect!

We're on the slippery slope!

If you don't believe me, try going to the museum of american history at the smithsonian institute and what you wont see there anymore is anything about our founding fathers or our nations history!

Instead, you'll see the dresses from the first ladies, but no history!

This is an outrage!

:af:

Originally posted by Bliz
Sorry guys, I just can't shut up on this one...


This is an outrage!

:af:

Bliz,

Dito. well put.

We are all well educated fools (St. Paul: ever learning, never perceiving).

We have no moral compass anymore.

Soon, we will legislate by the majority vote that even killing is all right.

To the people who says it doesn't bother them as long as they are not effected, it won't be long my friends that we all, you and me will pay for our indifference, silence or even approval of this immoral act.

Please read: Romans Chaper 1, Vs.16-32

Boy, my brother (Rick Bomba) is sure gonna hate this one. He is kind of fruity. :laughs:

I respect everyone's opinions, however I think you walk a fine line when you start quoting chapter and verse and questioning the individual's morality. Just how far are you going to split hairs? Do we define morality in terms of the size or impact of the issue at hand or the fact that most of us should be considered immoral because we've, at one time or another taken the Lord's name in vain, not kept the Sabbath holy, coveted a neighbor's goods or his wife, or take it up a notch and let me ask how many immorals out there who maybe have lain with a member of the opposite sex with out benefit of marriage (whew! that's a big baddie! more than once? Ooooo. go directly to Heck, do not collect golden harp do not get wings!).
I guess you just have to pick your battles and you can't pick 'em all, because if you ask me, the gay/lesbian folk (may as well throw the Mormons in too) pose little threat to society except a harmless, mostly private immoral lifestyle, and maybe it makes more sense to direct one's energies against something like, hey, how about those immorals who threaten our safety, security and very existence, who willingly cross our borders then trash talk democracy, patriotism, and the American way and by those very acts plot against us.
Seems like for anything we don't like, the [bibilcal] morality or lack thereof can be an argument against supporting it. I don't discount anyone's opinion, however I do have a problem when the Good Book is thrown in my face especially when for most people there's probably at least one passage in there proving their own immorality and isn't he who is without guilt who is supposed to throw the first stone.
OK, don't reem me out. Convince me some other way if I'm blind to the big picture.

Isn't it rather amusing to have the homosexual lifestyle deemed as "immoral" when there are so many of us "self proclaimed" Christians doing things every day that are an affront to the same belief?
(Wasn't it not too long ago that the Christian church "ignored" members of it's own heirarchy that were molesting children?)

Now I am by no means a saint, but I try to live my life as honestly as possible. I try to offset the negative things in my life with positive ones. (the positives are leading.)

By the way,I wonder how many gay couples will legally "tie the knot" if same sex marriages are legalized?

Thanks for the chance to put in my $.02 worth.

FWW

They willstill be around/////

seeeeeeee what you started:smash:

well fisherman tim beat me to ithe preist thing but here goes anyway.

I dont have children but if I did I would much rather live next door to a consenting gay adults than an ex-preist who molested children!
Let me just say I dont UNDERSTAND why people are gay but as long as they dont try to hurt me in any way what should I care??? and to boot....I have know a handfull of gay people I didnt even know were for the longest time....all caring, law abiding, hard working (even church going ) individuals.

just think right now there are WOMEN being beaten and raped by MEN who claim they love them..........................

Let them do whatever they want. This country is about freedoms. I don't believe gay couples are the downfall of civilization as we know it. Lighten up on that crap.

I'ld rather have married gays as neighbors then fighting uncivilized, so call couple, living next to me....as long as they keep their sexuality private the way most people do.

Also, before the "Don't ask, don't tell" era, how many gays in the military fought and gave their lives for the freedoms that were greatly denied them? The general stereotype of gay promisquity was probably created BECAUSE they couldn't get married.

Originally posted by Clammer
FWW

They willstill be around/////

seeeeeeee what you started:smash:

Mike - :bshake:

If ya ain't fishin, might as well be chattin'. :p

I'll see if the Mrs. doesn't throw a wrench at me when I head out....

-B

Personally?==:yak: :yak4: :yak6: :yak5:

FWW, now you and BM are free to join in unholy matrimony.:laughs: :bl2: :hidin:

Originally posted by Bliz
Sorry Ben, but the developments of this week have both sickened me and saddened me.

Don, what are you sorry for? You're entitled to your opinion and there's a lot you said that resonates with they way I feel.

I'm not on the fence when it comes to marriage - for me the issue is cut and dry.

But I'm not really sure how to view homosexuality. I don't consider myself a deeply religious person, but I at least try to examine the secular moral implications. Over the years, I've decided many people don't have a moral issue with it - it is usually, upon further reflection, an aesthetic judgement - "Oh, two gay guys - GROSS!" To many, homosexuality is reduced to the sexual act of sodomy - and while that doesn't float my boat :yak: I'm sure there's more to gay people than their sexual practices.

But - I'll paraphrase from National Review editor (and my former college English prof) Jeffrey Hart - homosexuality is an "unfortunate condition" as it is less than the perfect ideal of heterosexual union.

I hope I didn't open up a can of worms here, I was just wondering how this was being discussed up in Mass.

-B

FWW, up here in Mass. we are wondering when we will get our invitations to you and bassmaster's wedding????:confused:

Why Bruce, you wanna be Dave's best man? :laughs: :bshake:

FWW, if you are getting married with BM soon, can I HO and take your plugs and leave?:smash: :p

For those mentioning the issues associated with the Catholic church, it is in fact a homosexual issue.

To the shame of the Catholic Church as well as the mainstream media, the molestation of children in the Church has been given a different label in order to be politically correct.

Everyone is quick to call it pedophilia rather than to correctly term it as homosexual rape.

You wont see this in mainstream media publication!

Although this kind of abuse fits the criteria of pedophilia, the majority of cases are priests molesting boys... not girls!

But again, in the name of tolerance, nobody wants to call this what it really is, as that would be intolerant!...

This is how far down the tube we are going!

And as far as values are concerned, if everyone were to reason away things like absolute truth in the name of tolerance, it would create anarchy in our society...


Why, that's just what's happening!...

Let me give you an example of what happens when we rationalize away absolute truth:

Let's say that I have my own beliefs about what the lights on a traffic signal mean to me... lets say that I have my own beliefs on red, green and yellow.

Now lets say that your beliefs are different about the meanings of the lights than mine are. I will tolerate your views by not saying anything about my beliefs or yours. I also don't want you to force your opinions on to me because truth is a personal issue which is not absolute... as we all know, there are many truths...

And because my beliefs are personal, and every belief is truth to the individual, and there is no such thing as absolute truth (after all, that would be narrow minded and intolerant)

I will not offend anyone by sharing my beliefs because that would make me hateful...

Now, let's send everyone out on the highways with all of their own personal beliefs about what the lights mean without enforcing a moral code on anyone while not allowing individuals to share their views because they may offend someone...

What do you think will happen?... ANARCHY IN THE STREETS!

My point is...Truth is absolute.

If there is one standard by which everyone abides in, the highways will be much safer for all!!!

Also,

Allowing gay marriages and condoning the legitimacy of this lifestyle will in fact affect each one of us!

Here is just one way:

Simply by the fact that this lifestyle has negative effects on human health.

It is a scientific fact that protein that is introduced to the human rectum, has devastating effects on the immune system.

This fact will contribute to the rise in disease and will put an additional burden on our already stuggling and burdened health care system.

Every one of us who has insurance knows that this additional burden will effect them ...on their premiums.

Now don't get me wrong, I DO NOT hate homosexuals, if anything, I care enough to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. And as far as heaven & hell are concerned, the Bible doesn't measure an individual based on their sinless perfection, but rather, it determines salvation of the soul based on an individuals personal relationship with God through His Son.

Jesus made a very "narrow minded statement" when He said

"I am the way, the truth, and the life; Nobody comes to the Father except through Me"

He set the standard of absolutes in saying He is THE way.

Christianity teaches that when an individual comes to God the Father through His Son in prayer admitting their sinful nature in asking for salvation of their soul, God begins to transform the heart and will of an individual from within them.

This supernatural transformation eventually manifests itself outwardly within the thoughts and actions of the individual apart from their efforts. It literally transforms their lives!

How?

Their desires begin to change apart from their own efforts.

It is not a natural transformation as we would think of as likened to one that is trying on their own to change their thoughts and behavior, but rather,...the individual finds that their thoughts and actions are actually changing from within their very soul... apart from their own effort!

This is a supernatural transformation that takes place in the lives of Christians beyond the control of actions or intentions of an individual.

If Christianity were merely a superficial system of Do's and Dont's...

None of us would ever want to be a Christian.

I, for one... certainly wouldn't want to worship a God who sits in heaven like a parent with a giant wooden spoon who is itching to blast us off the face of the earth the first time that we screw up!

True Christianity liberates... it does not enslave an individual.

The reason for this tangent are the statements against the Church.

We cannot throw the baby out with the bath water because there are some within the Church who are false Christians who have not partaken of the supernatural divine regeneration that takes place within the hearts of true believers who have come to God and sought salvation for their soul.

I'm not saying that Christians are perfect, because we never lose that sin nature we have inherited, but I can say that a true Christian would find it impossible to remain within a homosexual lifestyle!

Pride is what holds people back from becoming Christians because people get offended when they are told that they are sinners...

After all, it's intolerant! And not politically correct!

Like homosexuals and everyone else... myself included, once sin enters in to the equasion of our lives, we do the very thing Adam did when He fell in the garden...

We try to hide from God in fear that we will be held accountable for our own actions.

Sorry to offend you folks, but what I say is true of ALL of us!

It is an absolte truth.

Homosexuality, like any other sin, ... is wrong!

Can't blame the Church or anyone else for that matter... we are all accountable for our own actions!

that's your belief, but we have to respect people's lifestyle. even a fishing lifestyle has a negative affect on us...late midnight snacks, bloation, constipitation, eating refined foods and products, chugging bluesberry, staying up so late to catch a monster, and excessive UV. like i said, mass is getting crowded with people now. we need to plow some into the waters. and homosexual marriages will give rommey a hard time to manage the budgets and find enough cash to get the bill to pass on it. like i said, they can go to vermont where there is a least of homosexuality bashing and it's a nice area for them to settle down. i wouldnt live in vermont, not because of homosexuality-approved marriage, but i dont adapt in a countryland well. i feed on ghettoism and mafia-activity reports.

Gay marriage should not be allowed. Well maybe - legalize it in Cali so all the fags & lesbo's move out there :laughs:

Honestly - I could care less.

Originally posted by Bliz
It is a scientific fact that protein that is introduced to the human rectum, has devastating effects on the immune system....


Wee wee makes mental note to self - do not jam proteins up my rectum. :blush: :tooth:

Sorry Don, that just sounds so :laughs:

Notaro, are you telling me that I need to respect the lifestyle of something that I know to be wrong?...

Telling the truth is not Bashing someone, ... it is actually loving someone.

If I was doing something that was destructive to myself and others, I would certainly want to know about it.

How could I honestly say that others cared about me if they sat on their hands, said nothing, and watched me go into oblivion without at least warning me?

I'm sorry Notaro, but I think that if I wanted to see someone get "Bashed" that I would probably watch them go toward their demise without saying a word.

I'll bet that most americans currently feel the same as I do on this issue, but the hands of the minority have been covering the mouths of the majority for quite some time now, and we are becoming so desensitized by all this that the tide is changing as many people succumb & compromise truth as well as their values.

The day is swiftly coming that the majority will be the ones who have compromised truth and thus have exchanged it for a lie, but I assure you that I, for one... will not be one of those people.

We experience liberty and freedom in this Great Nation and live in a free society because we acknowledge the fact that the rights of all individuals are endowed to each of us from our Creator.

As we seek to remove our Creator from mainstream society, our rights, liberties, and personal freedom will swiftly erode!

Man will one day be the one who regulates rights and liberties for others.

In every other country they call this very thing socialism my friend!...

And we are on the fast track toward giving away the liberties and freedoms that have made this Nation Great through a constitution that acknowledges God foremost...

Read history books about our founding Fathers.

They were Christians.

I know you are younger, and it wasn't likely that you were taught the truth about American History in school.

If you were to go to a library and read the Jeffersonian writings alone, you would see that the concept of the separation of Church and state was designed to PROTECT the Church FROM the tyranny of Government...

It is used to today in a context that is entirely different from what the document had intended. It is used as an enforcement tool to remove the Church while society continues it's course toward socialism.

Did you know that the Government used to take it's lead from the Church in leading this Nation?

Check it out in the History books... it's the truth.

We used to be a republic... now were a democracy?... what happened?

Democracy is a vehicle toward socialsm, as is political correctness, intolerance, terms like gay bashing, and so many other terminologies that I wont get into here that pervade our society,
The younger generations like yourself are being seduced into a new worldview designed to function in a socialist global society.

It is coming!...

Are there any true Patriots still living today?

This is nothing against you at all Notaro.

You are entitled to your opinion, ... and (currently)

I am entitled to disagree although that may one day change...

There is a fine line in this country between tolerance and celebration of homosexuality. I think the Mass Supreme Court overstepped that line recently.

FW...


Don't try this at home!!!... :laughs:

Trust me Don, I won't. Ever. There is a sign on that particular nether-region, it says "EXIT ONLY." :laughs: :yak:

I agree FW!

They done did it dude!!!:mad:

I guess this legislation tosses my idea for the patent that I had to help men quit smoking out the window...

Do you know what that idea was?

I dunno Don, that sounds like gay-friendly marketing to me. :eek:

Well it is NOW!!!... :laughs:

:yak:

Don - some things are absolutes, some things are perceptions. While I appreciate some of what you are saying I cannot bite off the whole enchilada.

Where I believe in God first, and believe in the constitution second, I believe in the Church these days far less than I once did. I believe in making the right choice as often as I can and I consider it a moral choice based on what is morally sound in common man but not necessarily the Church's morals (and yes, much of what is morally sound in common man is based on religion in general and the Big Ten in a more narrow focus). I know that making a strong moral choice to impress good morals on my son but also to think independently and morally is one of the best things I can achieve as a fairly moral kind of guy. I think being a good citizen and an honest person is morally upstanding.

That was JohnR the person

Here is JohnR the Site Admin,

Before we stray too far from what this is, a fishing site, I just want to remind people that we are a fishing site first and a general blab afterward. Some sites, even some fishing sites, have deep discussion areas to pontificate and stand on a soapbox. Here @ SB we have The Scuppers which is intended to be a somewhat low key place for having fun and yes, some low level discussion about society, and a place to flush oddball content from other parts of the site. What it is not, is a place to get too deeply theoretical, emotional (unless you are having fun :hihi: ), polarized, religious, political, adversarial, opinionated, hateful, or anything along those lines. Once political / moral / religious topics get too deep and involved, they begin to exceed the scope of this website. So while it is fine to have discussion on a wide variety of subjects, when they become to deep, especially with topics like religion & politics, they can and sometimes do exceed the scope of this site.

There are too many bad things in the world and society today. There are also many windmills. But there are other places better suited to delve deep into these issues.

Some places, in my opinion places like S-B, that allow discussion, learning, and fun focus on some of the finer things in life, like chasing Fifties.

Jeez Bliz, you got some info.

I am a heterosexual male and am staying that way. Not to bum you out Bliz & Co. but some of my best, most respected friends are homosexual and I have NO problem with them being this way. I don't push my sexuality on them and they to me.

People can be "Normal" even if others still think them "Queer".

Some of you people gotta wake up and realize that in another couple of decades it just isn't going to matter anymore. We will all be dead and a new, more acceptant population will be dealing with the days issues.

I have a strong feeling this will be less of an issue in the future except with the people that HATE for a living.

:)

"I can and I consider it a moral choice based on what is morally sound in common man but not necessarily the Church's morals "

These are the same John. The moral choices common to all of mankind comes from the same source book and they apply to all.

And also they come from the same Speaker... the Designer Himself.

Per your request as moderator,

This concludes any further discussion with regard to this important life & death topic.

Please feel free to PM me with any comments

Just my 50 cents...

These are the same John. The moral choices common to all of mankind comes from the same source book and they apply to all.

And also they come from the same Speaker... the Designer Himself.

..... Well I was going to reply but seeing we're tabling this topic :hihi: :doh:

Yeh Don, this is all about being a fishing site with some fun kicked in. It was never intended to be a place where the deeper meanings are discussed, unless they revolve around fishin'. This is a place to GET AWAY from the riggors of the "life and death"

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

wee wee remember PT Barnum had an exibit that people paid to see his egress .

none of my business ! unless they make the fatal move of touching my kids . ya hear that micheal jackson !

fishing smishing dont forget we have to break each others balls too .

thats 3 good nite !

Uh, whaddya mean by egress? Do I wanna know? :yak:

Originally posted by Bliz
Notaro, are you telling me that I need to respect the lifestyle of something that I know to be wrong?...

Telling the truth is not Bashing someone, ... it is actually loving someone.

If I was doing something that was destructive to myself and others, I would certainly want to know about it.

How could I honestly say that others cared about me if they sat on their hands, said nothing, and watched me go into oblivion without at least warning me?

we all do need tot respect the lifestyles heterosexuality, homosexuality, monkey, or whatever. but we dont need to become part of it or listen to it. i dont to see their activities. i have seen it at gallaudet.


I'm sorry Notaro, but I think that if I wanted to see someone get "Bashed" that I would probably watch them go toward their demise without saying a word.

I'll bet that most americans currently feel the same as I do on this issue, but the hands of the minority have been covering the mouths of the majority for quite some time now, and we are becoming so desensitized by all this that the tide is changing as many people succumb & compromise truth as well as their values.

The day is swiftly coming that the majority will be the ones who have compromised truth and thus have exchanged it for a lie, but I assure you that I, for one... will not be one of those people.

We experience liberty and freedom in this Great Nation and live in a free society because we acknowledge the fact that the rights of all individuals are endowed to each of us from our Creator.

As we seek to remove our Creator from mainstream society, our rights, liberties, and personal freedom will swiftly erode!

Man will one day be the one who regulates rights and liberties for others.

In every other country they call this very thing socialism my friend!...

And we are on the fast track toward giving away the liberties and freedoms that have made this Nation Great through a constitution that acknowledges God foremost...

Read history books about our founding Fathers.

They were Christians.

I know you are younger, and it wasn't likely that you were taught the truth about American History in school.

If you were to go to a library and read the Jeffersonian writings alone, you would see that the concept of the separation of Church and state was designed to PROTECT the Church FROM the tyranny of Government...

that is the sad part. we all became loons if the govt find out that we exposed the truth and they can control our lives.

It is used to today in a context that is entirely different from what the document had intended. It is used as an enforcement tool to remove the Church while society continues it's course toward socialism.

Did you know that the Government used to take it's lead from the Church in leading this Nation?

Like british and the roman empire...

Check it out in the History books... it's the truth.

We used to be a republic... now were a democracy?... what happened?

the day we became deomocracy is when the watergate scandal hits the media.

Democracy is a vehicle toward socialsm, as is political correctness, intolerance, terms like gay bashing, and so many other terminologies that I wont get into here that pervade our society,
The younger generations like yourself are being seduced into a new worldview designed to function in a socialist global society.

It is coming!...

Are there any true Patriots still living today?

This is nothing against you at all Notaro.

You are entitled to your opinion, ... and (currently)

I am entitled to disagree although that may one day change...


well, when you put this into the religon arugment. i got this from my best friend whose passions to be a chirstain preacher in southern startes. i agree with your statement about it being sin, but the fact is i dont see how sinful it is. i dont like homosexuyality, but i keep myself away from them. okay, so god states that it is sinful to see two hot dogs hitting each other like a sword fight? sorry, im just trying to make a bad joke.

a person's sexual emotion and psychology didicates her future sex preference.

i am young, yes, but thats what a college for. everyone makes a project and a thesis about their theory and evidences. for the socialist, i might not make a good soicalist because i got an f on sociology 101.