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Hey...I found em' first, he is mine...hey there sfrances, how you doin'???? I sure be likin' dem plugs you got der'...:drool: Yer my new best fweind.....can I have some of them pluuugs?????:drool: :laugha: Just kidding sfrances, welcome to S-B....nice to meet you! Some really nice work you got there, yup, you gonna fit in quite nicely.....come on over here and sit by me...he he he!!!:uhuh: :uhoh:

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nice, what else ya got?:D

very very nice!

Back off Christian...I saw him first!!!:laugha:

:D :laughs:

OK ! BF..we SHARE here...paws off ...surfsters:drool: Fran u don't know what youv'e started[good things] a couple of us are just starting to put some surfsters together,,7400"s,, hmmm! lips...pay no never mind to these bums:p I'll b in touch.....welcome ta s-b...........lips $$ ??.....an welcome to the misses too!:wave:

hey guys mrsfrances had to run out, but told me to snap a shot of the medium for you guys...welp...here it is....

there are more colors than this..but ofcourse he has them with him:smash:

:eek: what nice eye's u have,,the plugs I meen;) I'll post a pic o my starters in a jiff,,but there missing the front tooth.

:eek:

:drool: nice Surfsters.... Yum !!!!:kewl: I don't have any Surster lipps..:doh: ....where'd ya get um ...:huh:

:D he will be posting more pics when he comes back:D

im not sure about the lips, i just sand them and paint them:D

:D Nice surfsters! and those three pre-go's in the bottom of the first pic are real nice...I bet they swim great....:cool:

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o crud..sams been home...WM PICS.......I knew it,,he just told me its not set up......KILLLLLL!:af:

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I have a bunch of your plugs SFrances, and they do swim nice! Ive caught a few fish up to 20lbs on em. :cool:
Its great to see some new quality plugs coming out, best of luck to ya :)
Id like to order some of those larger surfster versions you got there, are they 2.5oz?
Krispy

i bought a few of those in Ct this year. they are good plugs, but you might want to talk to JohnR about becoming a sponsor here before people get the wrong impression of you. you don't want to be considdered in the same group as the Penetrator lures. :smash:

I dont think he's advertising here, he hasnt even said the name

i know two things,i know he aint advertizing, and that wonderbread has to come with me.:)

none

that wonderbread is b EA utiful!!!:) :D

Nice looking plugs.

What color is skunk?:confused:

I don't think anyone is starting any trouble, relax and welcome to the site.

Oh, one more question:) Your thread title is New to lure making, I guess you mean you are new to this lure making forum because I can tell you sure are not new to making lures :D Right?

WOW, I can't believe all the trouble this guy is starting,okay, to make everything better, send the wonderbread to Christian and i'll take the schoolbus;) :D seriously,those are sweeeet plugs.johnny "the Ratt Boy"

Imma go nutty in here this winter Awesome stuff you have there.:D

trouble ?? I see no problems ....yet ...:splat: I Want Surster Lipps..:crying: hook me up !!!!:eek5: only kidding .:hihi: would be nice if you did though ...

Gotta have sfrances for the next "Plug Night" at MSBA!!!!:drool: :drool: :kewl:

:happy: YOU'RE NOT COUNTERFITTING??? :happy:

http://colonymotel.freeyellow.com/dons.jpg

The Purple and the Schoolbus look EXACTLY like my "Big Don's". Don't ya' think? :af: I know Don. Do you plan on giving him a cut on your knockoffs when you sell them at your friend's tackle shop? :rolleyes:

The 3rd and 4th down on the left side look like bad "Lefty" imitations. Or maybe "BassWoods"... Close?

How much are you going to sell them for and where is your friend's shop? :smash:

jeeze take it easy on the poor guy.

Sorry, Christian...

in his first post he said, " I AM NOT TRYING TO CREATE A PROBLEM TO BE CONSTRUED WITH COUNTERFITTING!!!!!! I have the origionals and love the way they swim and catch fish!!!!!"

By his second post he said, "Thank you for the kind words these are for sale I am ramping up my production soon probably after the holidays. They can be purchased at my friends store here in pa."

Imitation is the best form of Flattery... but, Come On... :rolleyes: Making a copy of someone's plug is cool. Selling multiple copies is not. It's like mass producing EXACT copies of the entire Habs line then selling them as his own.

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Different lips = different action
different body shapes = different action

But the "Surfster style" lip and original body shape are the key differences.
Creek Chub also used the Surfster lips on several different Pikie bodies, a Husky Musky body and had a jointed Pikie version

Stephen, you make a nice looking "Surfster style" plug.
Keep up the good work :btu:


Bernzy

sfrances, I'm not trying to embarrass you. If Don is aware of the similarities between your plugs and his then there is no problem. You have to admit a lot of your plugs looked an awful lot like my Big Don's.

My Big Don is also the surfster. not the fatboy.

http://colonymotel.freeyellow.com/don1.jpg

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Chill out guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Everyone makes plugs that might look a bit like another!!

After all you all had to start somewhere!!!


No need for starting an uproar!!!

:cheers:

noine

:happy: Dude, relax. If it's different, then it's different. :happy:

You wrote, "If you were smrt you would go get one of my plugs and see since you cannot apparently see differences from pictures!!!!!" I agree. The sizes, weights, finish etc... may be different. Send me one and I'll compare it. I have no idea where to purchase a sfrancis.

none

OK, Yes, Don makes a good Bob Hahn imitation. He is probably the closest people could buy since Mr. Hahn stopped making them. Still, Don has had a few bad runs with his plugs. Plugs rolling over, etc...

So if I get your gist correctly, you are "copying" neither Bob nor Don but the Creek Chub original? Both you plugs and the Big Don will be sold next to each other? Also, If you are friendly with Don then you should be happy that someone questioned someone elses similar "for sale" plug. As I said above, if someone all of a sudden showed up with very similar plugs to those of JHabs, down to the color schemes, and then sold them as his own I would expect Mr. Habs to be a tad upset.

So, no plug will be sent my way?

Gee, I went a long way to try to "plug 'ho" this guy....

Whats all this about surfster lips now ?
Please elaborate so an idiot like me can understand.

btw, Big Don makes a plug that is pretty hard to beat quality wise. I own quite a few of them including a one of a kind surfster in candy apple red/purple sides that I will treasure forever. The attention to detail he puts into every single one is quite extraordinary. And they CATCH. Takes time to build that kind of reputation and following. I dont think Don will lose any sleep over this.
Good luck in you Plug building venture SFrances.

sfrances, YOU, not me, came on this public site showing your wares to sell and asking for responses. I gave you one. So did others. Sorry, you may not have liked mine. (Hell, I know you didn't like it since I read the PM you sent me. :D ) But that's the way it goes. Good luck in your plug venture. Best wishes.

Tinman, the top plug in my Big Don picture (orange/black) was part of a special run (Sea Robin). Yep, they do catch... ;)

Arby

:happy: Yes Big Don and my husbands plugs sell in the same store :happy:

and sfrancis is not the name of the plug...im am not going to start anything by posting any info on this forum....


my husband as well as many other lure makers have worked hard on creating a wooden lure...my husband is not "copying" anybody...he uses references and goes from there...

as some has said, "ya gotta start somewhere"...right?

I myself am an artist, i just didnt pick up a pencil on day and start making master pieces....i liked a certain style, and started out that way...my husband loves fishing..its his passion...and building plugs and tweaking them was in the makes before he started selling them...its something he loves to do...just like anybody else here.....who build....


alls i can say is...BOYS GO TO YOUR CORNERS!!!:p

Geez Arby, he came to a public site you havent posted to in over a year to get some feedback. And you completely ripped him and then do some really hard backpedaling and then tell Frances to chill? :rolleyes:
I have both makers in surfster styles/sizes and they're nothing alike. Big Dons are an awesome plug, generally a little fatter all around in shape, and a staple in my bag.
SFrances hasnt even given the name of his plugs or where they can be bought. He seems like a plug builder showing some stuff with some like minded folks.
We should be :happy: theres some fresh air in here, sometimes its just status quo 'round these forums

I just had to go back and check the thread title to see if it said "#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& plugs"

:D :D

It's gonna be a looooooonnnnnng winter.

I copy everyone's new an old..these's only so many styles around that work...sooo! if u make a great plug an people want them more power to ya..just because someone made a fishin rod doesn't mean someone else can't make one..thread fa thread, guide fa guide etc. etc... WHO CARES.... sfrances don't stop postin ya plugs, pay no never mind to people who have nothin better to do then complain, their not worth responding to.

I don't care who any of you plug builders are.....I think that everyone copies everyone else anyway....slice up the "wonderbread" any way you want, none of you guys invented these plug body styles, you simply took a basic design and made it your own! Don't agree???? Henry Ford invented the automobile...the other auto makers began making their own yet they were based on the original.....correct! I think you get my drift!! Chill out guys, this is supposed to be fun! Does this mean someone is going to yell at me if I start making plugs of my own and post their pictures???? Can't we all just......plug along!!!:happy: :happy:

Salty that was funny.... Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.It happens all the time in fly tyin someone adds some herl to the top of a design an slaps there name on it. it's still just buctail an feathers.It's good to see everyone is a plug builder/seller these days.I would like to see some competitive pricing.:rolleyes:

Don't call me Frances.... By the way sweet plugs good luck in ur endevors. now send me some lips. an plugs so I can copie them.:laughs:

NIB
See me at msba I be the one sellin to the walls :D

Oh wait then again weren't you the guy that body slammed me a few months ago?

:lm: :wave: :love:

Like I said it's gonna be a loooooooooonnnnnnnnng winter......

Sorry bout that Salty I'm a jackass. ... oh well.....what does sellin to the walls mean.

OK - I've ben pretty busy and have not had the chance to follow up on this thread. What it does look like to me is free advertising, semi cleverly done free advertising. Sending PMs to people stating that you are not selling plugs but followed up with websites and phone numbers IS advertising and IS SPAM. And frankly, its not fair to the sponsors and people that help out here.

As for the plug, I think I saw these a couple months back in Rhody where several of us fishing a night tide with one fish watched as a first timer to this spot pulls a 20#er out using a blue one.

But this is still semi-spam. The thread title "new to lure making"? Come on - maybe new to mass production / Interent advertising.

I'm about ready to pull the whole plug on your thread pending your response.

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wow.

I THINK you OWE the OWNER of the site an APOLOGY dood.

SALTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.........

:D

Hi Jhabs :wave:

Originally posted by JHABS
SALTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.........

This is a great site and I am learnining alot from some good people, BUT this is getting totally out of control.
JohnR, I think it is time to pull the plug on this guy.:splat: :splat:

The person who sells my stuff does all my advertising!!!!
besides that he also knows most tackle stores in new england considering he has been vishing there most of his life!!!!! I donot need to advertise here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The following are stores I know in new england

1- Plumb Island Bait and tackle
2- Fin & feather Essex
3 Gleasons Glaucester
Do I look that stupid to you? :laughs:
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN I AM NOT USING THIS AS ADVERTISING IF I WAS YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN MY PACKAGING AND COMPANY NAME!!!! YOU HAVE NOT!!!! In this thread, we've gone from someone new to plugs, the missus chiming in posting more pics and a little history about your selling, able to get the plugs from the same place as Big Don or whatever his name is,
nOW DO I DENY I AM IN PRODUCTION NO AND AGAIN IF SOMEONE EMAILS ME ABOUT BUYING A PLUG IS THAT ANY OF YOURE BUISNESS NO I DONT THINK SO !!!!!!! If it is a result of someone coming aboard to elicit a response and get more business, yes it is.
How many times have I seen "I don't need to advertise here, all my stuff can be found at XYZ tackle shop"
I AM GETTING REAL SICK OF PEOPLE WHOS MOUTH MOVES ABOUT 10X'S FASTER THAN THEIR BRAIN !!!!!!!

Old saying constipation of brain and diareha of mouth!!!!!!!

sounds like some peoples aillment!!!!!!!! I'm getting real sick of people that say they are not advertising than list places where their product can be found.
Whaddya think were StOOpid or something, hehehe? I have to go bring my kid to school now so in the small chance that this was not a semi-coordinated ad blitz, you'll have plenty of time to reread the thread and see how it became that way... :wavey: You don't see how this thread developed this way? :rollem:

I'll stick with Habs ,salty and beachmaster and big dons and gibbs and ell punts and nibs sweet stuff.
Im a sponser here and I have been reading this topic and well
not to piss no one off but I hate the NJ tude:D
sounds like spam to me
bob hans made a nice plug and should have sold them instead of consighnment.
I use to buy them when they came around here along time ago and yeah they fell apart but they caught fish.
im not a big fan of surfsters with the Bubba lip But i likem with the z lip But I do like the original ccb lip
:spam: master
in 5 years the market will be all custom crap and then it will fold
to bad the net wouldnt fold along with it

HeyDon't call me Frances,John is a good guy an I think U made him mad that stinks maybe U should talk to him bout advertisn on his site.

Im sorry that this thread has gotten out of control..my husband only gives his product to one tackle shop..and its in PA...

my husband only came here for information on lure building..and to make friends..but i can say i dont see this happening...

the stores he has listed..are friends of his...and he does not sell to them..due to breach of contract with the one tackle shop he deals with here...

im sorry if he seems to be coming across to everyone as advertising...

no need to be catty...by calling us spam...

but Mr JohnR..if you feel the need to pull this thread then do so...

BM,I agree. whats with those jersey guy an there" U got a problem wit that" attitude where nothin but a bunch of big mouths.Totall disrespect for others feelins I would like to say I'm sorry to anybody I offended in the past.or will offend in the future..........I will try to shower more often.....I know its lame. part of my anger management therapy.

nib i dont care where u from as long as im treated right i dont care.
so do i win a plug now?

Fishin is windin down here soon .Maybe If U behave.if not I send to Slip.:D

sfrances, I am a member of the Berkeley Striper Club. It is showing up for no other reason in my posts other than it is in my signature allowed by many message boards to show individuality. It is in my signature on every message board I go onto and is in every post I make. I want to make it 100% clear that my opinions of your plugs has nothing "officially" to do with the Berkeley Striper Club of Seaside Park, NJ in any way, shape or form...

:) how was Your year, I worken My friggen ass of guiding to do my best.
had some good fishing and kept quiet on that and then had a hellish august.
got 2 fish that where ok a 40 and a 45 other than that the year sucked

Only a 40 an a 45 U stink.Me in the land of twinkies it was ok to poor the fish where on peanuts most of the fall they are hard to find if they are not blitzin got plenty of 20lb fish which are nice.my big for the fall was 27got that on a Jig. did pretty good with ur danny I would like one in pearly milky white an milky pearly white an chartruese top never really a fan of the Chart. till this yr. I don't see U guys up there really makin them either.all them other fancy paint jobs are nice but give me a white or yellow an I'll be fine.oh yea maybe blue for spring.

thas right white or yellow and blue and silver
i had 3 weeks on mental fishing I started out in afternoon and followed the tide all the way till day break over a week
it was awsome fishing and ran into a old friend and that was the best cause we was talking bout His brother and My good friend who passed on. we spread his ashes on nauset
we where into them one after another for the duration of the tide every night. I remeber I was sick and had the week off and made good use of it.
He told Me storys Of Me I couldnt remeber.
But it was a large night and I had the back of my truck loaded with bass and had an eel head and that was what we was chuckling about.
its not the size even though its nice but having the fun, i just want action and good times on the sand.
I was way to serious this year like a friggen animal in heat.
towards the end, But i wanted in on the push and did that

Okay, okay, okay.....

First off, I don't know diddly squat about plug building.....I just like to THINK I know how to use them.....:smash: :eek:

Anyway, Arby's response here was some of MY doing, as he is a good friend from Jersey that I fish with often, and I know that he knows Big Don and has a bunch of his plugs, so I hinted to him to check out this thread, as I did to another good friend of both his and mine from down there.

Arby is a fabulous guy, and anyone would call him a friend if they met him. He just stated his opinion and thoughts.

As far as Mr. Francis, or whatever your handle is, I too think it was a vieled attempt at spam. Whetehr you copied Don or Hahn's or whoever, or designed it yourself is neither here nor there.

You said you came to learn, and to make friends. Well, sorry, bud, but seeing some of your responses to posts, not to mention the PM you sent to Arby (yeah, I've seen it, Ron forwarded it to me......and to tell ya the truth, if I were Arby, I'd put it up here, or at the very least, forward it to John), you ain't doing a very good job of being cordial.

I said enough....carry on.....

And Bassmaster....watch it, I grew up in Jersey......;) :p :D

Originally posted by bassmaster
Im a sponser here and I have been reading this topic and well
not to piss no one off but I hate the NJ tude:D


Hey BM :rocketem: watch the New Jersey comments. Some of us live here. Send me a plug to make me feel better.:jester:

Like the new Las Vegas commercials on TV (they showing them up there in New England?) "What happens in PM stays in PM"

Yo, BM. (in my best Newark-ese) Yoose guys got White Castle up there? A few Belly Bombers will definately sharpen the tune of your Wendy's and leaves a wafting note unlike no other... :p

JohnR - Not my call but I say ditch this guy. He seems to need some psycho-analysis.

Salty, BM, and other makers of original works - Beware... I can see right through this guy.... he's looking for original works to add his name to....

Sfrances - You are not the only guy who sells plugs. There are lots of guys on here who are not sponsors of the site that sell their plugs and you will never hear so much as a peep from them about their plugs being for sale. I think would be wise for you to fade away to avoid the embarassment of being removed. You have succeeded in offending most of us that have read this thread and in doing so you have directly insulted John. I think it's safe to say that everyone on this site that has met John thinks he's a hell of a guy. He keeps this site alive even in the absence of a job. So in short, what I'm saying is that when you insult him, you're basically insulting everyone that uses this site and follows the rules.

-Dave :wave:

Originally posted by Arby
sfrances, I am a member of the Berkeley Striper Club. It is showing up for no other reason in my posts other than it is in my signature allowed by many message boards to show individuality. It is in my signature on every message board I go onto and is in every post I make. I want to make it 100% clear that my opinions of your plugs has nothing "officially" to do with the Berkeley Striper Club of Seaside Park, NJ in any way, shape or form...

Hi Arby. :wave: :bshake:

Guys - I want to give Frances (nobody calls me Frances :laughs: ) the benefit of the doubt here and a chance to make things right, by making things right I mean a chance to participate in the forum. If he's trying to just spam, that will come out in the wash. If he wants to participate and not promote his lures, that would be good. It all comes out in the wash.

I just sent him a mildly conditional olive branch in the chance that this is a thread that spiraled badly instead of open spam. How he responds will be up to him. But if he responds openly and honestly and wants to be a member of our little community I think that might be good for all (including BM - cause this guy is from PA and not Jersey :laughs: ). Here is a little bit of my response to his PM - it doesn't include the spam sctuff:

I welcome you to remain as a member and to share knowledge, some fun, and maybe even pickup a thing or two. I welcome someone that has something to contribute and I think you have a lot of knowledge. But in fairness to the people that help keep the lights on, I really can't allow any shameless plugs to push merchandise. If what you want to do is to move merch and get free advertising across the net, its not welcome here. If you want to be a member and particiapte in the forums and maybe even enjoy it a bit , I encourage you and the Mrs to stick around. We DO haver a great bunch here, some awesome knowledge, fantastic talent, some fun, and some 'tude :wall: but you are welcome to come aboard with those guidelines. So this is not a product knock. Just trying to see if we can get on the same page...

Ball is in his court. he may have ben honest and things fell apart. If that's the case I think he should still be welcomed and we can get by this. If he truly wants to spamn, thats just not possible ...

For everyone relatively new - if you want to have a laugh and get a little history of spamming on S-B, check these threads on Penetrator Lures:

http://www.striped-bass.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7070&highlight=penetrator

&

http://www.striped-bass.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7203&perpage=15

I am courageous cat

Originally posted by fishweewee
Hi Arby. :wave: :bshake:

Hey weewee... :wave: long time no read!!! Well, I had to do something... He thought the entire BSC was against him. :huh: :rolleyes:

I luv a good spam bashing thread. :spin:

NJ, filthadelphia all the same to me...
give me plugs
Oh Ya :spam:

Originally posted by Canalman


Sfrances - You are not the only guy who sells plugs. There are lots of guys on here who are not sponsors of the site that sell their plugs and you will never hear so much as a peep from them about their plugs being for sale. I think would be wise for you to fade away to avoid the embarassment of being removed. You have succeeded in offending most of us that have read this thread and in doing so you have directly insulted John. I think it's safe to say that everyone on this site that has met John thinks he's a hell of a guy. He keeps this site alive even in the absence of a job. So in short, what I'm saying is that when you insult him, you're basically insulting everyone that uses this site and follows the rules.

-Dave :wave:

:btu: Dave, my thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Geez, ya go away from the site for one morning and this is what happens:rolleyes: Maybe I can get Arby to moderate the plug forum with me ;)

Capesams, what the heck do you need plugs for? you don't even fish with plugs you boatfisherman:p :smash:

NIB, send plug:D

loooong winter for sure:happy:

I hope SFrances comes to the " it's too friggen cold to fish" night out this winter:laughs: bring plugs:p

Originally posted by chris L
I am courageous cat

Hi Chris :D

Originally posted by Slipknot
: Maybe I can get Arby to moderate the plug forum with me ;)


Your cost 5 plugs... Gee, I'm getting the hang of this ho'ing stuff :hidin:

Nah, no thanks.

1.) I'd have to make an occasional trip to the hinderlands for some of this site's get togethers. Doesn't spit freeze before it hits the ground up there? :eek:

2.) You guys talk funny with that New England accent... :p (Haavey, go paahk the caah in the gaahrage) I need to hear some Deese and Dems in my day to day life in order to understand the language.

Arby......did I ever tell you that you're "A wicked pissah"????

:p :p :smash: :smash: ;)

yo Bruce how ya been . isnt this fun NOT .


I am courageous cat

Wow,I just got up off the floor, did Bassmaster say he'd stick with Salty(and some other very well known builders) but Salty??!!:eek: :eek: :D I musta missed something here:p johnny "the Ratt Boy"