I just got off the phone with #^&#^&#^&#^& from moore's lures..he said he needs atleast 5 surfster lips to get a mold an stamp out...now the thing is we need to know how many people here an at other sites would like to buy them an how many lips they may want..it takes alot of $$ to make these[stamps] these days...if there's enough interest in them, he'll go ahead an have them made. talk to your bud's, spread the word....we need to know. he's looking for number's.....

ps. these will be made of heavy guage sst.

If they are the same as the CCB ones; size and thickness, I'd be good for 100.

if he get's 5 org. one's they will be...the west coast is looking for them too...he has one now, needs 4 more.....if he get's aleast 500 in order's he go ahead with it.

I'd pick up 25 at the very least.

I have an original lip I would sacrifice:crying:

also told him this is a far better site than over there[ he'll be looking in here now that he know's about sb.

good man...I don't care what they say.

Funny, I talked to him this morning too :D

30-50 for me :)

I thought someone else had some in the works also???

I like #^&#^&#^&#^&, real nice guy :btu: hope it goes thru

you can't have just one football team, takes two teams to make a game.

up too 200 lips now:D ...need 3 more org. lips an we're off an running.

I'd be a regular buyer... Capesams.. if you want the one you sent me back now just say the word.

-Dave

why does he need more than one:confused:

i would be in for at least 25,

the machine shop said they need aleast 5 to copy..one to flatten out...he didn't get into deep details.


cman.....if you don't need it anymore..yes, but if your going to keep tying hang onto it for now.

Count me in for 40 to 50.:D

thanks for the vote of confidence steve . so this is like the super bowl of lipmaking now?
:confused:

CS.. check PMs

Capesams why go to Moores when you got a board member who can do the same thing, better job, and probably a better price? Move this to the grump forum I'm gittin warmed up :smash:

As long as the lips are an exact copy; size ,guage, weight. I don't care who makes them. If they are too thin they are useless. The lip is where this lure gets its weight on front. The "specials" or "7400L" were also loaded in the rear.

I'm not getting into a spittin match here.. other's have asked for for different supplyer's. not everyone shops at the same store. so don't shoot the messager.

thanks salty, but dont get too involved. Im getting that "not wanted feeling" around here. maybe cause im "joisey",or whatever. its a free country.
hope moores makes what you guys need.they are a big company, im one guy trying to make an honest living at what i love to do. I live,breathe and dream about striper fishing every single day just like you guys.
just remember i never asked for any 500 minimum order guarentee from anyone before risking my $ to make this dye.
and noone works for free as far as i know
like i said, whatever floats your boat.

nope no pissin match Steve, just wonderin why not support a board member instead of goin to Moores. John's a good guy and does great work. I don't care I got eyes :p

I know he does an when I need something he has I'll buy it....just like u have silver eye's, but don't have gold, so I go off to store # 2 to get gold an not silver.:p

Tinman, that's not it at all. I use your lips on some of my pikies and they work great. It is just that when we posted a few days ago about what guage they were going to be you said like 22 guage (?) Isn't this the same guage as your pikie2 lip? If so this is going to be too thin for the surfster lips. I would hate to see you make a few thousand in this light guage and not be able to sell them. I don't have a micrometer handy to check my surfster lip but I would bet it is probably 18 or maybe 20 guage. If you can make them same guage I would be more than happy to buy them thru you. I don't care about the mirror finish, the finish like your other lips is great.

Capesams.
IF thats truly the case then FINE.. settled.. First one that brings this to market at the right quality, at the right price, gets the sale.
If there is something else bothering you , then I hope you can at least tell me what it is. You did not repond to one of my pms for like a month,and it was important to me that the item did not get lost in the mail, i would have felt responsible. Thats what made me think there was more to this.
end of story.. im good with that...
proceed with your 500 order...
i dont want to hijack this thread..




Originally posted by capesams
I know he does an when I need something he has I'll buy it....just like u have silver eye's, but don't have gold, so I go off to store # 2 to get gold an not silver.:p

Tinman, i guess i missed your post on surfster lips. didn't know you were going to make them. if you can make them the way people want i am sure they will sell. the talk about Moores making them has been going on longer than i have seen your name around. i think most of the people on this board have dealt with Moores and like the service and the man behind the service.curios as to what else you sell.

Thanks Newell
And I certainly appreciate that very very much. If you guys would kindly re read that post you will notice I said .032" thick,, my pikie Z lips are only .020 thick. The .032" is THE EXACT THICKNESS OF AN ORIGINAL SURFSTER LIP & plenty thick. In fact I had the stainless specially shipped from feaking california, cause i could not find it anywhere else here . At $2 a pound,and thats 500 #'s. If you guys want to see a picture of it, im sure I can arrange it. I dont want to get into #s here, but I risked this $ gladly, and my bro and i are here trying to figure out the ABSOL LOWEST price we can get these to you guys. But u know what, if moores can beat my price and quality, you SHOULD buy from him ant not me, I would do the same if i were you.

Originally posted by Newell Guy
Tinman, that's not it at all. I use your lips on some of my pikies and they work great. It is just that when we posted a few days ago about what guage they were going to be you said like 22 guage (?) Isn't this the same guage as your pikie2 lip? If so this is going to be too thin for the surfster lips. I would hate to see you make a few thousand in this light guage and not be able to sell them. I don't have a micrometer handy to check my surfster lip but I would bet it is probably 18 or maybe 20 guage. If you can make them same guage I would be more than happy to buy them thru you. I don't care about the mirror finish, the finish like your other lips is great.

Sounds good to me. I am a carpenter and not a millwright, so I probably confused the numbers. My bad

LIGHTENUP ALL OF YOU ;)

For those who don't know, the Moore's surfster lip idea has been going around for a year now, we discussed this before and I guess it's finally about to get off the ground. I didn't realize he was going to need 5 originals, I don't own any :(
I hate colorado blades and would like to buy some surfster lips.
Tinman, I'm sure there are plenty of people that will be inerested in buying them, I know Steve well enough to think that there is nothing personal. Competition is good for everyone. I bought some of your lips and think the quaulity is fine and the price seems right. I don't think your assuming there is a Joisey attitude is fair.
I wish there wasn't any bickering here, this forum is about discussing building of lures to be used to catch fish with:smash:
I'm glad you are all going to let it go and move forward, thanks :btu:

Thanks Slip,
Point well taken.
Great site, great people. i kinda like it here, but I am from JOISEY, so i really cant hide that.

Go Pats !!
( i know that sounds like Hillary wearing a yankee hat during the word series). but i really do hope they win.

Only joisy guys that make metal stuff $uck :p

:wave:

I think there is some confusion on the thickness here. Some people talk in gauge, some people in decimal. Just to clarify, here is a gauge/decimal chart:

18 - .0478
19 - .0418
20 - .0359
21 - .0329
22 - .0299
23 - .0269

What thickness do YOU guys feel the lip should be made of? The 'sample' I have is 21 gauge.

Get lost , you bum!



Originally posted by NJTackle
I think there is some confusion on the thickness here. Some people talk in gauge, some people in decimal. Just to clarify, here is a gauge/decimal chart:

18 - .0478
19 - .0418
20 - .0359
21 - .0329
22 - .0299
23 - .0269

What thickness do YOU guys feel the lip should be made of? The 'sample' I have is 21 gauge.

He's truin to hijack da thread :smash:

Originally posted by Tinman
Get lost , you bum!

Tin Man
I'm, in the same boat as l.i.fish.in.vt.... I didnt know that NJTackle was in the process of making a die.... NJTackle has been very good to me and If I do buy a couple lips somewhere else, that doesnt mean you are going to loose all of my buisiness. Maybe I'll need hooks, mabe I'll need lead, maybe I'll need gromets....maybe i'll need lips of another style...

I'm still going to be a steady customer.

Originally posted by Tinman
Get lost , you bum!

Hey TinBoy! Don't you have some tin to spin or something? Keep the designing to me - you take care of the packaging!

:hihi:

txs. slip ,,I just got home fa lunch, freggin cold working outside...org. thickness is a must in this case...an the fact that there's only one size an shape for this plug.....who's making lip's for the org. pike's....cap'n bill's..atom's an others ..no one....every thing is an off shoot.....this maybe well for other's , but when your trying to make an org. anything to specks ...odd lips just don't cut it no matter who makes them............I for one don't give a hoot as to where anyone live's it has nothing to do with getting the right parts for what your doing.

tinman ...no one I know of encluding myself is trying to oust you out or give you a bad rep.....I did pm you after I got out of bed from being sick for weeks at x-mass time....again txs for the pkg. you sent me.

:spam: :p

Anyone need thinner guage orig. pikie lips? :D

u got ORG> one's:confused: SAME size shape everything. dang lunch is over:mad:

SAme as moores, thinner guage.
I do know a source for original large surfster lips, though expensive @ $2.50 ea

Originally posted by Krispy
SAme as moores, thinner guage.
I do know a source for original large surfster lips, though expensive @ $2.50 ea

"you wont be paying $2.50, or $2.25, not $2.00, not $1.75, not even $1.50 as you all may be thinking, your price is just 3 easy payments of .39 cents, thats right ill say it again, 3 easy payments of .39 cents"
"thats right Ron, but hold on theres more, if you act now, ill include the ginsu knife set to keep as your gift ,even if you return the lips, so act now, supplies are limited"

original, as in from CCBco

got pic.??

[

:confused:

Don't gimmie no lip...Notice I stayed outa this one:D

:faga:

in 10 days , the surfster lips will be done
im sticking my neck out on it , so you can chop it off if it aint.
:smash:

I got first swing! :D

Originally posted by Tinman
in 10 days , the surfster lips will be done
im sticking my neck out on it , so you can chop it off if it aint.
:smash:

Right on schedule :hihi:
Excellent :jump: :btu:

Bernzy

I maybe a pain in the :bshake: to some an some may not me like at all, but when it comes to doing something right theres no second standard, if these lips are true to specks you'll own my money.

The TINMAN is to LIPS as the WIZARD is to OZ.......... ;)

:eek: Oh snap

Originally posted by JHABS
The TINMAN is to LIPS as the WIZARD is to OZ.......... ;)

dats a gut one..

;)

Originally posted by capesams
I maybe a pain in the :bshake: to some an some may not me like at all, but when it comes to doing something right theres no second standard, if these lips are true to specks you'll own my money.
Your not a pain in the ass Bubba
seems to Me and this is sad most build plugs and sell them
Funny thing though
Time in

know what ya sayin...but I think you'll find alot r fishin them an only sellin their extra's ,,,,kinda...but there's lot's o guys out thar that can't build cause of one thing or another and r happy they can get some of the ones that r being sold......OOO look at that # 1946 ain;t that the year of flap's gibbie.:confused:

I've never sold a plug.still hav'nt made nice enough ones.I agree with Sammy.not everyones can twist thier own,so getttin some doe for some extra's is cool.helps by more wood lips wire eyes maybe a new machine or tool.No harm indat.

nib u sold me a plug for 12,000 dpllars on sol pm:D
thats cool sell a few make a clam or 2 here an there
me no start chit
Ya Rite!

u sell ,,,u sold to me ,,,Nib sell me your bottle darter!!!!

yeah i sell a few here and there every one know that

Just curious, where did everyone get $20 from? :huh: I notice all custom builders are selling their stuff for $20

Probably coming close to breaking even at that price!Cost of quality materials,time and labor these guys put in, make that price a real bargain!

The price is set by O.P.E.C. (Organization of Plugbuilders Enterprise Coop) They meet once a year and in their infinite greed will set whatever price they feel the market will bear. We are at their mercy.

Actually I think when you consider the amount of work involved in a custom plug compared to production plugs that are approaching $16.99 retail, you are truly getting your moneys worth and then some. They should be more like $25- $30.00 each.
Plastic injection molded stuff which I know for a fact costs about .40 cents to produce overseas is the real question esp. when you shell out $14.99+ for one of them fancy yashizukimoto swimmers that don’t swim anywheres NEAR as well as wood. And wood smells great when properly trashed.

is it sad ?

got news for You
Bombers smoke wood at night most the time for swimmers
The Yo Bubbas are a fill in plug

Yo-yo-yo-zuri darter in sardine.........:humpty:

especially in a certian scenario that envolves timing:D

its not sad :cool:
wood is fun, plastics OK

Originally posted by bassmaster
got news for You
Bombers smoke wood at night most the time for swimmers
The Yo Bubbas are a fill in plug

because at night bass use their lateral line to pick up the vibe much more than the daytime, No? I got no problem with bombers, they catch, not nearly half as much fun as wood thou.

I love bombers.Dave show us a pic of the few that U got.I remember someone told me they where droppin black an purple a few yrs ago so I bought three cases.I have as many bombers in Unopened packages as I do opened.Had the best nights of my life on a Mag.U can keep the surfster lips just somethin else to scramble my brain.An It don.t take much.I'm sellin all my plugs an goin to eels.

I agree on the bomber v. You-Zur-Eye debate... I'm not sold on YoZuri's... had good nights with them, but had a testing point last year... gave my LAST 'bus bomber to my lil bro... he fishes once a year.... I threw Yo's, wood, plastic... I got burned bad that night.... he still talks smack..... in the right condiions Bombers are the nuts.... in big water or at a breach... give me wood or give me death (or smilin bills)

I dont use bombers much anymore, to me they pale in comparison to the megabait swimmers. the 1 1/3oz and 1 3/4oz are my go to's for plastic. Dont use yozuri's, cant cast em. Except the surface cruiser :love:

Yeah I forgt the MB's I have a few, but feel they are the same at night, during first light They do "shine".....:love:

Originally posted by NIB
I love bombers.Dave show us a pic of the few that U got.I remember someone told me they where droppin black an purple a few yrs ago so I bought three cases.I have as many bombers in Unopened packages as I do opened.Had the best nights of my life on a Mag.U can keep the surfster lips just somethin else to scramble my brain.An It don.t take much.I'm sellin all my plugs an goin to eels.
no friggen way

Set to the tune of a whiney child.....

How much longer?

Are we there yet?

I cant wait anymore

But I want them Now!

.

Yes, we're there. :D

Tinman, They look good :happy:


Bernzy

sorry, for the dbl post.

Yours were The 1st in the mail Bernzy. I hope you like them.

I would like to publically thank Bernzy for making this Lip a reality.
He provided us with the original sample some time ago & encouraged me to work on this asap.
Bernzy is a one of a kind Gentleman, a true craftsman, artist, sportsman, and a person that any one of us would be blessed to call a friend.

Thanks again Bernzy

JD

:thanks:

bernzy I think he's trying to ho a plug

:laughs:

They look great Tinman.:D What are the demensions and are they read to ship yet?
Thanks!

Specs are:
- .032" thick #304 stainless steel, exactly like the original
- 1.425" face width
- 1.045" face height
- 1.775" flat overall length
- wire slot centerline from top of lip is approx .243
Although they are complete, and listed on the site, i am holding off shipping any orders til Bernzy and Capesams get back to me with their feedback.

Thanks guys .

Ummm... ok... well.... ummm... where do I get them!?? :happy: :beat:

-DAve

Pissssa !!!!!!!:happy:

nevermind... I just ordered some :D

-DAve

HOT DAM those look mighty fine from where I sittin:drool: ifin u were a woman I'd kiss ya ..BUT...tell your brother [an you] job well done.:hee:

:happy: :D WOW
Tinman done good :btu:

Bernzy :btu:

Although they are complete, and listed on the site, i am holding off shipping any orders til Bernzy and Capesams get back to me with their feedback.

Thanks guys . [/B][/QUOTE]


:eek5: :doh: :doh: :doh: :wall:

Great job guys. Those look awesome:happy: :happy: :claps: :btu: :cheers:

Credit where credit is due!!!

I would like to thank west coast friend "Winchmaster" for sending me the lip I sent to Tinman.

And thanks to Tinman for taking the ball and running with it.

Diamond Tackle makes the best lips in the business.

Bernzy

Now you guys can get to work on those big pikie lips:)

Yeah it would be great to find a source for med & big pikie lips in about .030 or .032

TINMAN save me another 20 of those surfster lips...you boy's done reel good....*note: a little burr on the front edge, but other than that...FILL YOUR ORDER'S:happy:

PS>>>THANKS.....5 plug's up:D

Originally posted by capesams
TINMAM save me another 20 of those surfster lips...you boy's done reel good....*note: a little burr on the front edge, but other than that...FILL YOUR ORDER'S:happy:

PS>>>THANKS.....5 plug's up:D

Thanks again Capesams! I'll let Tinny know! ;)

As for the burr, I think he's looking into a different media for the polishing step. The ones being shipped should be deburred nicely!!! :D

:kewl: feel like doing another tuffie:confused: I'll spread the word over to the other place....txs. again

Tinnman - Great Job. Please check your PM's.

I got my samples today and just returned from a water test.
They pass with flying colors, but I expected no less.

As capesams said a minor burr area at the bottom, but the plug swims AWESOME. :happy:

Ship em Danno :D

Bernzy

Allright John,I have to say they look pretty good.

Just placed an order. These look awesome:drool:

Got the lips today. All I can say is WOW these are awesome , thanks. I will definately be ordering more soon.:D

Just got mine... AWESOME JOB... now I have to make surfsters too geez!

-Dave

nice aren't they:D

Maybe I should get mine tomorrow, I ordered them on the 18th.Everybody always gets theirs before me it seems:( maybe the mail carrier is holding on to them:smash:

:devil:

:crying: I know my mailman makes plugs ..I didn't get mine either ... :bc: maybe tomorrow:(

Slip and Tagger - I didn't get mine yet either. I ordered on the 19th as well and waiting very patiently.

I spoke with Tinman yesterday and he told me they will be coming.:soon:

Bernzy

Sorry for the delay guys.
Just completed a large batch. so all orders will be out tomorrow if not already sent. I had to make an improvement on the polishing step, to remove all the little burrs and get a nice shiny finish. This Stainless is thicker than i was used to working with. I dont want to bore you with the details , but it made a big difference.

thanks
JD
:D

Thanks Bernzy.

Thanks Tinman. Can't wait to see them.

Tinman makes some killer lips :kewl: so I'm sure the surfsters will be worth the wait :)

Jigman

Originally posted by Tinman
Sorry for the delay guys.
Just completed a large batch. so all orders will be out tomorrow if not already sent. I had to make an improvement on the polishing step, to remove all the little burrs and get a nice shiny finish. This Stainless is thicker than i was used to working with. I dont want to bore you with the details , but it made a big difference.

thanks
JD
:D

Thanks, I like perfection. It's worth the wait.

Tinman,
Any chance you could make some danny and pikie lips out of the same stainless as the surfsters??? If you did I bet you'd have some happy campers
:D

Interesting. You mean in a larger size? What Dims' are we looking for ?

Originally posted by Eben
Tinman,
Any chance you could make some danny and pikie lips out of the same stainless as the surfsters??? If you did I bet you'd have some happy campers
:D

Just Bigger... I dont know dimensions off the top, but I make some that go 9" (jointed) that need a bit more than the danny's I got from NJtackle... maybe one size up from the D-2 lip?

Originally posted by Tinman
Interesting. You mean in a larger size? What Dims' are we looking for ?

Danny lips 1.25" wide (even 1.375") would be :kewl: on some of the 3-4 oz swimmers I make.

Originally posted by Tinman
Interesting. You mean in a larger size? What Dims' are we looking for ?

Original Pikie lips size. The Moores are too big but will work on larger pikies. Capesams has some original most likely. I can measure one from the 70's but that is all I have.

I got my lips today, they look great:happy:
Now I just need to borrow a friends original surfster if someone would be kind enough to lend me one so I can make some knock-offs.

Originally posted by Tinman
Interesting. You mean in a larger size? What Dims' are we looking for ?

No what I meant was making your danny lips out of a thicker stainless... One rock later and the lip gets all banged up. I'd happily pay a few ¢ more for a beefier lip thats all:D

Eben, you're supposed to fish for rockFISH not rocks:smash: ;)
I know what you mean, RI sure isn't short on rocks.

Just got lips ...beautiful !!!! no burr here... perfect ,,need something to nail it to now ..

Tinman, I have some original pikie lips ( in 2 sizes) if you would like to try them.

Nice lip!!!

http://home.nj.rr.com/perret/images/plugs/surfster.jpg

Thanks Ferret.;)
You really need to get some peepers for those pretty plugs. Salty or I can hook you up, I think hes got the larger size (6.5 mey & 7 mey WTP) eyes youre looking for.
Newell, I have samples of those same Creek Chub Pikie lips also. Not sure what i want to do with them just yet. What applications would call for strictly those lips rather than the regular pikie Z lips ? Just curious. I appreciate the info and the offer.
I working on a Larger "lefty #2" right now in .024", its almost completely done. Its made for Slant nose swimmers, but can also double as a LARGER Danny since its 1.060" wide, and I can even punch it in .032 if there is a calling for it.
Also working on a Larger traditional Danny as PAsurfer & Eben suggested as well as a larger Pikie with .032 stainless for you Giant Pikie addicts.

Tinman, I use your pikie2 lips on my 2 oz pikies and they are the perfect size. On my 2 3/4 oz and 3 1/2 oz sizes I have been using Moores lips. They are actually too big though. The CCB lip that was used on their striper pikies and giant pikies is the perfect size but not available anywhere.

I gotta come down there an beat u in the head:smash: think original...surfster lips took off. your the only one that has them, now on to REAL pike lips...reel pike copies need reel lips:hidin:

Originally posted by capesams
I gotta come down there an beat u in the head:smash: think original...surfster lips took off. your the only one that has them, now on to REAL pike lips...reel pike copies need reel lips:hidin:

Ahhhhhh, I seee.. Now I know what you mean. So Cape, like the 2 sizes you showed me ? Are those the exact ones?

:humpty: :hee:

hey Tinman I would love to be able to buy some Pikie "Z" lips in .032 any chance don't know the exact dims but med and large ( but not huge) I bought some of the new Surster lips they are great but a little big for me.