Well it looks like Massachusetts is a couple of monthes away from legalizing same-sex marraiges.

I write this as I have spent the past few months oscillating back and forth between annoyance and acceptance of this union issue.

The issue made some more sense last week when I viewed the comedic effort Dennis Miller. Man has that dude fallen into the right ! :(

I never was fond of his efforts prior to this new act and had remained sceptical until he made a comment that went something like this:

I don't have any problem with same sex marraige. What I would have a problem with would be a couple performing a same sex union and a person enters the scene wired with explosive trying to take out the ceremony and nobody had a way to KILL this nutcase before it occurred.

made me kind of understand where the importance in protecting rights should be.



:)

:uhuh: Ain't that the truth!

Jon Stewert said it best a while back...

Gay marriage isnt mandatory for all guys, so why would anyone give a Sheite... it's their lives... Who cares how they live'em...

my $0.02

welcome back Oak.

Great photos.

I was gonna tell ya about them Kingfish. you found em !

I worked there in 89-90 teaching sailing for J-World.

Had some great fishing & fun while there

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Goose I agree. It's OK for the liberals to censor what many of us believe in while we have to "be tolerant" of things we find totally offensive:af::af::af:

I am married ( im grumpy not lumpy ) so I dont care !

My father has a part-time job as the church grounds-keeper, I just got back from removing signs that were taped all along the street poles surrounding the church, and only the church.

Gay Marriage = Love
Churches view = Ignorance

The church teaches to hate
Gay marriages will teach how to love

...I laughed about it, but he was pissed. I am 300% against it, but like Goose said....and the way I look at it, they're planning their own destiny. :rolleyes: - :devil2: ....just my opinion, to all you ;) ummm....extra happy people out there. :laughs:



....although that last flyer still has me laughing, you'd think they'd word it differently. :laughs:

Hehe. Wow Bloo. I can see how this issue would steam a religious person, particularly a senior.

Doesn't look like there is much we can do about it. This is Massachusetts :(

I'm all for it. Who are we as a society to control how people choose to run thier lives. I've got a few gay freinds, both male and female... If they felt like they wanted to comit themselves to a life of partnership whats the problem??

I'm with Goose....:(
I'm also convinced (espically since 9-11) the world is going to hell and this IS one more step. johnny "tRB"

how is two people who love each other and express their love by having a ceremony going to effect your life??
gimme a break.

If everyone on this planet accepted everyone elses beliefs there would be no wars, no killing, etc.

And to continue my soapbox rant.... I'd like someone to name a war that wasn't about religion, or wasn't fought by 2 opposing religious countries.

I would pay serious money to see a gay striper. :D (No you dummy, the fish, not a stripper).

In the begining there was ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE

BEN
gay stripers ? those are the ones shaped like torpedos .

Originally posted by chris L
BEN
gay stripers ? those are the ones shaped like torpedos .

Um, and how would YOU know? :laughs:

come on dont you remember ? bassmaster told us .

Oh yeah, I thought those P-Town stripers looked a little queer. :hihi:

WHOS BUSINESS IS IT ANYWAY.

There are 3 types of business

Mine
Yours
and GODS

Whos business are you in today!!!!

I give up.

On this issue I side with Eben

Originally posted by Eben
I give up.

It's winter, you're supposed to be grumpy. :bshake:

Thanks goosefish:D

I'd pay serious money to see a gay oyster too. :hihi:

could show you one of them

:eek:

Originally posted by fishweewee
It's winter, you're supposed to be grumpy. :bshake:
shove it up yer arse you queer striper lover... dem queer stripers are contagous! next thing you know, you will want to marry a striper. :D :bshake: :humpty:

How 'bout a gay crab?

:smash:

Originally posted by Eben
shove it up yer arse you queer striper lover... dem queer stripers are contagous! next thing you know, you will want to marry a striper. :D :bshake: :humpty:

Only marrying of stripers I'll be doing is marinating them raw in soy sauce and wasabe :drool: :hihi:

I seen Gay seaworms

How 'bout a gay eel? :laughs:

Eben, will you blow me a gay eel? :hihi: :laughs:

:laughs:

Originally posted by mrmacey
I seen Gay seaworms

I don't believe you. Gay bluefish maybe, but not a gay sandworm! :laughs:

FWW--we get about 2 million seed oysters ever spring; you'd think that some would be switch hitters.
Oysters spawn in one great union of sperm and eggs all joining together in the water colume. Oysters reproduce differently than we do..................and I'm happy for that. :)

Goosefish, hermaphrodites, just like boat stripers, don't count. :laughs: :hihi: :bshake:

sea creatures around the cohabitate with each other without the thought of whos male and female and there so into it you cant get them little suckers apart

Ewwwww, sounds like one big oyster gang bang... :yak:

Originally posted by mrmacey
sea creatures around the cohabitate with each other without the thought of whos male and female and there so into it you cant get them little suckers apart

horny little bastards aren't they?

So, will they legalize pot next? :rolleyes: :smash:


more wusification of America? :confused:


I know I'm not in YOUR business mrmacey ;)



Originally posted by Eben
how is two people who love each other and express their love by having a ceremony going to effect your life??


Eben, I think they can do whatever they want but it may be morally wrong. I think some want a legal marraige only so they too can get benefits much like a husband and wife can recieve health ins. benifits, that may raise costs of insurance, who knows who it could effect. that's one small miniscule example.

I know plenty of gay people too, they don't bother me and I don't bother them. But I wouldn't want to have to explain to my 8 year old why so and so has 2 moms. Families used to be the backbone and the glue that held this country together, I don't know what's happening. I am far from religious but I do believe in God, and I think the churches have enough troubles with priests loving their alterboys the wrong way
:smash: Maybe Priests should be the ones allowed to be married instead of gays.

Oh goodie, Bruce is here. Maybe he can show us some of his gay plugs. Can we have a gay plug marriage ceremony? :hihi:

got to go cohabitate! :D

sorry, I just polished off a bottle of some nice gay wine and I'm feeling a little lightheaded right now :D :buds:

Yes FWW, I have a Bassmaster Danny that wants to marry a Bob Hahn:smash:

Gay Sandworm:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
They're not gay, just very happy:happy:

All this talk of oysters is making me hungry right now... :drool: oyster spooge and oyster gametes and oyster cohabitation notwithstanding...

Bruce, when you got those Beachmaster Dannies a while back you looked so happy you could have been ... GAY! :laughs:

:cheers: :jump1: :lm: :buds: :humpty: :humpty: :faga:

Originally posted by fishweewee
Bruce, when you got those Beachmaster Dannies a while back you looked so happy you could have been ... GAY! :laughs:



LMFAO:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

I just LOVE hijacking gay threads...

http://www.bengay.com/do/counter/images/im_bengay_greaseless.jpg

I think I scared Eben & Goosefish away. That was really GAY of me. :crying: :laughs:

Originally posted by fishweewee
Eben, will you blow me a gay eel? :hihi: :laughs:

hmmmmm a gay eel?? how would you know its gay??

Who cares, use your imagination! :laughs: :devil:

I'm cooking some tautog up right now. Caught in December, some freezer burn but all-in-all the fillet looks good and is starting to smell nice in the oven. You know fish the minute you turn your back and go do something else, what do you have rubber tautog.

Originally posted by fishweewee
I think I scared Eben & Goosefish away. That was really GAY of me. :crying: :laughs:
naw you didnt scare me off... I was dressing up my cat in panties

:laughs:

Eben, Goosefish, I have come to the conclusion that FISHING IS JUST GAY. I mean, look at all this GAY SCHIT that we fish with:

Even chunks are gay, LOOK AT THE COLOR!

Oh Schit, even this smilie is GAY! :laughs:

Originally posted by goosefish
I'm cooking some tautog up right now.

Tautog are GAY too! Their flesh is PINK for cryin' out loud (at least when you catch 'em) :laughs:

Come to think of it, THIS WHOLE THREAD IS GAY TOO! :smash:

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:laughs:.. Pissing my pants! excuse me for a minute while I collect myself:eek:

:laughs: :laughs:

You guys are pretty handy with the computer thing. Eben I've got to get you over here for some tuitoring. This is how I make big font: BIG FONT:)

Ben I built that Gay pride Popper
I want to do things to You I wouldnt do to a barn Yard animal
P.S. I want to pack Your fudge
when we gettin married
come out of Your shell.................................

Originally posted by bassmaster
Ben I built that Gay pride Popper
I want to do things to You I wouldnt do to a barn Yard animal
P.S. I want to pack Your fudge
when we gettin married
come out of Your shell.................................

Okay sweet cheeks, your truck or mine? :love:

Clams are GAY too!

Get a room and paint the town brown

Fishing from boats is most definitely GAY. :hihi:

Originally posted by Eben
Get a room and paint the town brown

Not after Wendy's, tho. :yak:

herring are gay, thats why they drive bassmaster mental.

Yes, they are spawn of the devil !

I see some PINK in there! HERRING ARE GAY!

Wendy's is awesome.... spicy chicken sandwich with gay cheese topped with a bit of gay sourcream.:happy:

OK here we go. Me and my girlfriend have two pugs--which are hands down the "gay dog" to have. One pug was given to us by a gay women. The dog is a female. So we bought a male. The male mounts the female, like young male dogs are prone to do. But now the female is mounting the male. I think we may have a gay female pug:)

I like bigger dogs and was not happy to own a pug, but now two years later I am a pug lover. These dogs are great.

Originally posted by goosefish
But now the female is mounting the male.

Definitely a BUTCH BITCH. :laughs:

:D

SEE, I TOLD YA SO

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:confused: don't tell me...that rodent is... gay?

The right front paw is a dead give away; see that little side-to-side shake.

Phew, good catch Goosefish! Just now did I notice the enlarged Adam's apple. :err:

:eek:

I like a little booty just as much as the next guy, but this one looks a little worked for my liking.

Here ya go. :whackin:

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I was wondering how long it would take before Big Gay Al showed up, thanks FWW :D :laughs:

gay plug

:eek: that's pretty gay in a brown sorta way :eek:

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You Guys are fractured

:D

How bout' them Patriots????:doh: :huh:

They're Gay too.

Kinda knew that was gonna happen......:smash:

I never realized the "artist formally known as Bassmaster" would comment om this website :eek:

ok, i am gonna chime in here. i have no problem with gay marriage. what other people do in the THEIR lives is fine with me. if you don't have contact with my life, cool do what you please. one thing that always strikes me as funny is how homophobis someone can be, yet they sit right down in front of a porno and watch two hot girls do "things" to each other. homophobia = IGNORANCE! have you ever even met someone that is gay? if so, did it hurt you? did you come away worse for the situation? i guess growing up where i have has just opened me up to more of a variety of lifestyles. northampton, smith college, and mount holyoke college all within a few minutes of my home. sorry to bring back the serious twist to this thread, but i couldn't just sit back and let it go.

My two cents, gay marriage has nothing to do with being gay and everything to do with the almighty $. Its not the marriage certificate they want, its the perks, like survivor's social security, being able to file joint tax returns, etc. etc.

Jeez Wee, you went off here :(

homo Hijacker



:)

one further point i would like to make. if being gay is so bad, and God is so good, then how do you explain preist child diddlers? if in the eyes of God homosexuality is sinning, why would He allow for that to go on? yet another reason why i gave up on religion a long time ago!

Originally posted by bassmaster
You Guys are fractured

U should talk.

Originally posted by MakoMike
My two cents, gay marriage has nothing to do with being gay and everything to do with the almighty $. Its not the marriage certificate they want, its the perks, like survivor's social security, being able to file joint tax returns, etc. etc.

SHARK AND TUNA FISHING ARE GAY! GAAAAAAAAY! :bshake:

Originally posted by t.lapinski
one further point i would like to make. if being gay is so bad, and God is so good, then how do you explain preist child diddlers? if in the eyes of God homosexuality is sinning, why would He allow for that to go on? yet another reason why i gave up on religion a long time ago!

THE CT RIVER IS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Pasting an earlier quote here...
"Goose I agree. It's OK for the liberals to censor what many of us believe in while we have to "be tolerant" of things we find totally offensive"

The KKK is legal, American Nazi party, legal, White Supremicisist groups, legal.
I find those to be offensive. If your offended by gay marriage, deal with it, its part of being American

All men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life. liberty and the pursuit of
happiness.

Ok, as a liberal, and a person who supports this idea, I'm going to bite my lip a bit, not rant and tell a funny story instead...

In my other life I bartend during the summer on the tour boat I've been working on since I was 16; We do private parties and the such in the evenings. Anyways, one of our regular parties ~ once every 1-2 years is a gay non-profit from Providence. They are nice people mostly; like any crowd you get some a-holes, but thats life; These people tend to be the stereotypical gay/lesbians, the guys look like Freddy Mercury, the woman like gym teachers, but thats not the point, these people are friendly, tip well and generally very nice.. I lived for a while with 8 guys, one of whom was gay; he never hit on me or even acted gay, so it was never a big deal to most of us.. Anyways during the G/L charter summer of 2003, I was working the bar, and was doing the normal response thing to the most asked question "how are you handling this tonight" and I'd say fine, you guys are a fun crowd, tip well and dont cause problems, (The truth) except one guy; He was drinking jack and cokes (I remeber drinks well, not names) and he asked the same question; I gave my standard answer and he said "Yeah, well its bugging the #^&#^&#^&#^&e out of me, I'm here for my brother and this sucks"...
After a quick laugh, I gave him his drink free for his honesty and thought about it;
Here was this otherwise normal guy, obviously straight, completly uncomfortable with this crowd, but he was there to support his brother, I thought that was unbeliveably cool of him...

My point out of all of this is that gay/straight we are all the same people, and if two guys want to get married cause that are in love, good for them. The "Sanctity" of marriage is better exemplified by two loving men/women then in a marriage where a guy beats his wife or a spouse runs around on the other... So that argument is mute.. Love is love, be it straight or gay, the same love you guys have for your wives and I have for my girlfriend, it's all the same feeling, just because the Bible or a priest tells you it isnt right doesnt make it wrong..
Remeber that priests (and this is not a religion bash, I was brought up Catholic, but am not at all religious, just a point, dont anyone take this and run with it as a bash on a religion) dont live a very normal life; we all have urges and feelings, and the fact that they are married to their job, or God or whatever, is not the same as being married; What experience or place do they have telling others how to live a "normal life?"
Unfortunetly this will become a big issue in the upcoming election; National Security, Foriegn Policy, Education, Medicare, Social Security, are ALL magnitudes more important, yet here we are debating whether two guys or two women can get married...

Ok back to fish talk....
Also, remeber there are 1900+ members here, and ~1 in 10 are gay, so 190 people here may like the same sex..

'hound

If you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything!!

Rock hound... remember, there are a alot of people in this world that can't think for themselves. They need to follow directions and have a course to steer to.. Thats fine, but its hard to get them to take the scenic route.
I love all you guys, well not that much, but I'm closing up shop on this thread.
:D

<<<T.lapinski>>>...one further point i would like to make. if being gay is so bad, and God is so good, then how do you explain preist child diddlers? if in the eyes of God homosexuality is sinning, why would He allow for that to go on? yet another reason why i gave up on religion a long time ago!


Tlapinski....no one can answer for God, we only have our faith to guide us in the right direction......with that, I'll drop my dime on this subject..IMO = (what my faith has me to believe), (about the bold part)...God gave us the power to choose, the brains to know whats right and what's wrong...the decision is ultimately OURS. Do not blame God for man's fault's. God doesn't make a priest molest a child, this priest is human...just like you and me. He has the power to make the wrong decision, just like you and me. Priests are not saints, they're merely men with the same choices as the rest of us... I have never been afraid to speak about religion, reading thru this post...I can see fear disguised in ridicule. People need physical proof now-adays, Faith is just a word people use to name their daughters. I thank God that my parents planted a "Faith" seed in my heart years ago.

Weewee.....crabs are not GAY!!! :af:


Ok, so what's wrong with being gay?? IMO... men were made for women, and women for men. What do you get when you combine a man and a woman?....a child, life, the next generation, mankind, our future....I could go on and on.

...now if being gay was the right way, what do you get when you combine a man with a man??...:confused: ... If looking back in time, everyone had been gay....then we would be using our bodies as machines to create people...I don't know how it doesn't make sense to you. If my father had been gay, where would I be? where would you be? tlapinski..when you decide to have that "one on one" talk with your son about the birds and the bees....what will you tell him? It's ok to touch other boys??? :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by bloocrab
Weewee.....crabs are not GAY!!! :af:

Prove it! :hihi:

Survival of the fittest... let the gays stay with gays and let the true breeders breed. Theres gotta be gay stripers!:D

Pics please.:eek:

Bloo,
Ridicule of religion was not my intention, Religion is perfectly fine for anyone who wants to believe in it, I make the choice not to be religious, but if you go to church, beleive in God etc. I have Zero problem with that, so ridicule was not my intent..

As far as the last comment about giving the Birds and Bees Talk...
I have no kids right now, someday, probably.. But instead of asking what you would teach your kids, a better question is what would happen if one of your children was Gay? Would you no longer love them, disapprove of them? That is often the case and is a sad instance; One of my brother's best friends came out his Sr. year of High School, his parents threw him out of the house, and he never made ammends before his mother died recently of cancer.. My ultimate point is Gay or Straight we are all the same, we wake up each day, we go to work, we have friends, families etc.. We make the same choice about right and wrong, but I beleive that being gay or straight is not a choice, it's they way your born, or wired or whatever....

'hound

Rocks are GAY.

Ben is Gay:D
BM is grumpy...
Rocks are cool

romans were gay !

Tiberius:
Tiberius, who spends most of the later years of his reign as emperor – from AD 26 to 37 – on the island of Capri, is said to have a special penchant for his spintriae (groups of young boys), with whom he surrounds himself and indulges in all manner of promiscuous behaviour. The walls of his bedrooms at Capri are reported to be decorated with various sexual acts and positions 'in case a performer should need an illustration of what [is] required'. Suetonius even accuses him of putting 'unweaned babies ... to his organ as though to the breast', but many of these reports may be put down to propaganda by his numerous opponents.

Nero:
Nero's reported sexual activities range from being seduced by his mother Agrippina to forcing his unwanted attentions on married women and boys. Famously, he takes two homosexual lovers, Pythagoras and Sporus, in 'marriage'. Nero is said to behave as the wife to Pythagoras and husband to Sporus, whom he has had castrated. Taken together with his 'artistic' performances (see The arts), when he will often take on a female part and dress accordingly, Nero's behaviour scandalises Rome and plays an important part in his downfall.

Elagabalus:
There seems to be barely a Roman emperor whose reign is not coloured in some way by his sexual appetites – which are often prodigious in the extreme. Commodus, for example, emperor from AD 180 to 192, is said to have a harem of 300 girls and the same number of boys and to put on great orgies. But for sheer shock value, none can compare with the Syrian, Elagabalus, emperor from 218 to 222, who believes himself to be a living god.

Elagabalus is remarkable not only for being only 14 years old when he becomes absolute ruler of the Roman empire but also for his sexual activities while holding that office. In less than four years, he goes through three wives, including a Vestal Virgin – a heinous crime against Roman law, which states that any Vestal breaking her vows of chastity should be buried alive.

But even more shocking in the eyes of respectable Roman society is his 'marriage' to a slave named Hierocles. Elagabalus likes nothing better than to dress as a woman and go around with his 'husband', who is even encouraged to beat the emperor as if he is his real wife. Sometimes Elagabalus plays out scenes in which Hierocles finds him with another man and punishes him for his 'infidelity'.

'For he wished to have the reputation of committing adultery, so that in this respect, too, he might imitate the most lewd women; and he would often allow himself to be caught in the very act, in consequence of which he used to be violently upbraided by his "husband" and beaten, so that he had black eyes.'
Cassius Dio

Elagabalus is also known to frequent the brothels of Rome, where he delights in performing the duties of the prostitutes. A confirmed transvestite, he is said to 'send out agents to search for those who [have] particularly large organs and bring them to the palace in order that he might enjoy their vigour'. He is also reported to have 'asked the physicians to contrive a woman's vagina in his body by means of an incision, promising them large sums for doing so'. It is hardly surprising that the Praetorian Guard finally runs out of patience and kills him.



with strange bathing habits " The wife of Emperor Nero had 500 asses to supply the milk for her baths" I dont even have one ass that gives milk !

One of the Bible verses most frequently cited by conservative, anti-gay Christians occurs in the Letter to the Romans, generally attributed — except for its final verses — to the Apostle Paul, Romans 1:26-27:

(26) “For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,” (27) “and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Revised Standard Version)

I cant take it!!! All this gay talk has made me see the light!
I AM GAY! Please, from now on adress me as the GAY Fisherman...

we already have Chucky ! we already have !

Elgabalus, Agrippenis (this was Nero's mother's name???), Commodus who gives their kids names like that? (Commodus must be the dude who invented the toilet). Say, I hope you guys have this discussion ironed out by the 21st, because I don't wanna be travelin' 250 miles to listen to a gay vs. straight debate.

nope by then we will be debating whether blue chiffon goes with yellow bows or orange sashes .

chris, hehe :)

You know I started this thread because I was trying to express my enlightment for being tolerant of the issue.

no big deal but it has turned into a slingin' thread for sure :)

I THOUGHT SO!!!!!! :laughs:

Originally posted by Charlie Moore
I cant take it!!! All this gay talk has made me see the light!
I AM GAY! Please, from now on adress me as the GAY Fisherman...

:) Hound... first off, I'm FAR from a preacher....and even less of a saint. I do believe in the Almighty, but I don't however, follow his path 100%. I'm also human and unfortunately put myself before him, many times... I find that many people, men and women alike...do not like to discuss religion. I often wonder why.....is it lack of facts? ... is it lack of belief?...is it fear of saying the wrong thing? is it because they feel they don't know enough about it??...I really don't think there's a wrong or right answer. I'll talk about anything...and if I'm clue-less, I just listen and form opinion.

My poor example: Do you like the color blue?....there's no right answer to that question, only opinion. Just like religion, it can't be proven..so it's a matter of opinion/faith/belief. I don't want to turn this thread into a religious one, like I said...I'm not a preacher, I'm no better than you...like your no better than me.....and if you choose not to believe, I don't hold that against anyone either. I don't think your an evil person if you don't believe in God, just a person with no hope :D....look at it like this, if there's no God....you live your life and die, that's it...."shows over"

the flip-side; .. . you live your life and leave your earthly body to be joined with people from your past that you shared joyous and loving moments with in a beautiful place that you cannot even begin to imagine....I don't know about you, but I like the flip-side. Something to look forward to (hope. If your a decent human being, why not believe.......just in case ;)

Homosexual men are "Gay."

Crotch crabs do not differentiate between gay or straight men.

Therefore, all crabs are potentially GAY.

nor do the differentiate between women



















or so I've been told :eek:

This is like the song that never ends and the for and agin arguments will go on forever. Seems like no side is going to convince the other and healthy discussion is good and that's one thing I like about this place. I don't have a problem with the gay marriage thing, as a matter of fact I think McGreevey signed it into existence here in NJ and since then you don't hear word one about it. Personally, I'd rather have a gay couple or person living next door than a sex offender, skinhead (except of course the Bombas-Good Skinhead! Good Skinhead!), neo-nazi, what have you.
According to my grandmother who turned 100 last month, I am gay also. Yup, from the time I was in college working summers on the Cape, to this day, anytime I am dressed up she says, "Oh Jimmy, don't you look gay." I guess if she's 100 she knows alot more about living and life than I do, so she must be right. OK, FWW, I guess I've come out of my tackle bag, too. I'm a gay fisherman.
One last thing. Bloocrab, I respect every point you make, but I believe many things (some considered miracles) in religion (i.e., the Bible) can and have been proven.

ok now its time for politics ! so how about that janet jackson think she would make a good president ? think catch and release really is better than keeping all your fish ? how about lettuce , cucumbers , tomatos and rubarb think they feel pain when we cut them fom their vines ?

Chris L---you've got volumes upon volumes of cognitive thought in those lines. Where's Spinoza when we need him. :)

Chris, don't forget the bannanas.

nobody cares about the yellow bananna ! they like them when they are cute and green . and besides that would fall under the gay toys catagory ! soft yet nevermind

Well, I must confess, No I'm not Gay, but the next worse thing has occured in my family. I , well, I have to admit, I have a brother that is a Bishop. (ohh the shame)
Anyway, He is Episcopalon or what ever, and is married with 3 kids. We were all in a hospital after a family member had passed away and it was at the time when Vermont was leaglizing this stuff. They wanted to go to Vermont and protest and yell and the sinners etc, etc. I found this so hard to believe.
Let's go to Vermont, we can nail a fag to a cross and light him on fire, boy that will teach him the Love of God!! Why is it such people that call themselves "religious" are always the first to want to crucify anyone that doesn't think their way???
Anyone that thinks "We know the right way, and you must pray our way" wasn't listening when the man was speaking.
More people have died in the name of God than for any other reason. Doesn't sound very religious to me.
The Gays want to be married for the same reason the straight people do. And concidering all of us straight guys are averaging less than 50% success rate on marraige, maybe you religious types should clean up your own house before you preach to everyone else about how they should live their lives???
Just my two cents.

I've been following this thread for some time and I've always wanted to contribute, but I didn't know how to get my thoughts together (no, I'm not gay). So I'm just gonna say what's on my mind. As for the whole gay/lesbian thing, I think that it's time that they have their own rights. Sure, I'm just a college freshman, I don't know as much as you guys out there, nor do I have as much experience. But, this summer, unknowingly, really opend up my eyes a lot regarding this matter.

There's a camp for the deaf in northern CT that I've gone to for four years when I was younger. There was one counselor that was there for all four years. He was the waterfront director, and he was the nicest man I've ever met. He taught me how to sail, how to read wind patterns, how to get myself out of trouble on the water. You couldn't not like him; he was funny, he always smiled, he never forgot your name, and he was always there to offer a helping hand. However, as a camper, I always knew there was something "odd" about him, but I never let that come between our friendship. Four years later, senior summer, I had a lot of things planned, but one morning I get a phone call. That call was from the director of that camp, and he offered me a job as a kitchen aide for the whole summer, and that I've been reccomended by a few staff members. When I arrived a few days later, there he was, Mr. Smith (not his real name to protect his identity). He came out and greeted me with a big smile on his face (later I found out that he was the one who reccomended me for the job), despite the fact that I haven't contatcted him in four years. I later found out that I'd be living with him the whole time in a cabin across the lake from the camp. But now that I've grown up considerably since I last saw him, I got a sneaky suspicion that he might have been gay, but I never asked. One night after a joking session between a couple of counselors, things started to come up that proved my suspicions earlier. That night we had a nice little chat as usual, then he came out and told me that he knew I knew that he was gay and that it was true. We had a long talk afterwards, he was very open, and he answered all my questions. Throughout the summer we've always joked around with it with me teasing him and etc... But the thing was, around the kids, he never acted gay, he was just one of us, you would never know, nor did he ever try to "bend the rules" a bit. However, the summer passed and I learned a lot more from him, more to life than I ever knew before. When he first told me, I was nervous because I've always had the negative perspective of gay people, but he helped me change that viewpoint (though he knows that I like girls a whole lot better than guys).

I don't know if this helps at all, but what I'm trying to say is who are we to prohibit people based on what they believe. Doesn't the declaration of independence say "...All men are created equal..." and that our we should support "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?"

But what do I know? I'm just a kid in college, not a parent.

(I'm also a catholic to boot, but I'm not gonna bring religion to my argument)

Just my two cents.

From my experience with gays.... They are people who are different than I am. The particular gays that I've met are far more patient than the straights. Years ago I worked with the first openly gay that I ever KNEW that I met. He was the most patient human being that I ever met. He answered my most igorant and assinine questions with grace. And he never made me feel feel like the total rube that I was. Based on his answers, I'm for gay marriage or whatever they want to call it.

Its so easy to say" if it doesn't effect me or my family, then I don't care!" I do it . This whole marriage issue IMO.... boils down to how strong your beleives are in what ever religion you are a part of. The more involved you are in a parish, church, synagogue ect. the stronger you feel on this issue, I'm not talkin about the many people who say they belong to this or that group and go through the motions. I do pratice my faith and make an effort to understand it by joining parish groups. Everyone will agree I'm no saint. I do strongly beleive what God made is perfect. Through free will, it is man kind that abuses and kills life. I could give my religious reasons why its important that marriage should consist of male and female but it seems to me that unless you are a christian I'ld be waisting my time.

Also, please don't categorize the church with the few nut cases out there that give us a bad name.

Well said Goose. I believe the same.

I for one certainly do not want my tax dollars supporting this lifestyle, and I do not want to see the day when homosexuals try to break into my church demanding the right to be married under the state laws...

That is what's coming as this agenda continues to desensitize many...

What arrogance it is for homosexuals to force this agenda upon society,the church... and above all... God.

God's laws are far greater... :btu:

And unfortunately, many who practice and approve of this lifestyle will find out the truth and importance of this subject from a righteous God just moments after death.

I'm outa here before this thread gets highjacked & shut down because it is politically incorrect!

I spoke my peace on this issue before...

ouch

not my intention

Okay, who's gonna talk about the hazards of foreign proteins in the rectum? :yak: :eek: :D

did you hear about the one with the gerbil? :eek5:

Originally posted by fishweewee
Okay, who's gonna talk about the hazards of foreign proteins in the rectum? :yak: :eek: :D

Come on, I'm eating!!!:yak5:

ok,

i didn't start this because i expected to hear this

shoulda known :(

It's a good topic, and there was some good discussion. Yes, there was some clowning around, but still... some good points were made.

queer eye for the fish Guy

:laughs: :smash: :smash: :laughs: :smash: :laughs:

God says that it is a sin for man to be with man or woman to be with woman. We are His children and He loves us all.
As a follower of His Son, Our Savior, Jesus Christ who teaches us to love each other then here is the way it was explained to me by a back woods Preacher way up in the woods of Vermont.

"We should follow the teachings of Christ and tell these persons,"
"I love you as a human being but I detest your sin."

So far as the marrage stuff I stand on what the Bible teaches, Man with Woman O. K.
Any other way, Not O. K.

Remember this...There is a major difference between Loving one another as God and Jesus Loves us and the street definition of what is not Love but Sex!

That having been said, Come on Spring, Let us go forth and Fish!

pole smores:laughs:

Originally posted by Bassman18
did you hear about the one with the gerbil? :eek5:

Aw man, I was trying to drink my coffee :yak: :laughs:

Next time you're about to sit down to dinner, let me tell you about this fella named Gaylord Felcher. :hihi:

Originally posted by bassmaster
queer eye for the fish Guy

we are gonna get the fab 5 for you.:D

At last, my brother's wishes may come true.

Guys - clean it up please... Public Family Friendly Site - remember?

Thanks

I was waiting for that FWW :laughs:

I'm with you on this one Cap't Chet!

I don't hate homosexuals at all... just the opposite... I just care enough to tell them that what they are doing is harmful to themselves...

Unfortunately, people don't want to equate the truth with love on this important issue...

I had a friend who was gay and sadly passed away in 1997. He was a great man. Not a flaming, in your face, let me show how gay I can be man, but a kind, honest hard working person who had the same partner for 40 years and didn't make a big deal out of it.

The god I listen to accepts people like this. doesn't hate them for a something that isn't a sin.

so when the jesus adoring, scripture slinging types start to accuse people such as these because they believe them sinners I hope you will review your own lifes and recognize the mistakes, shortcomings and sins that occur to all of us.

I have never read any COMMANDMENT that said you couldn't be gay.

I am not gay (cept' at christmas) and never will be. Just have personal respect for people and their lives. When it is an out right disrespectful, poorly chosen choice then the person or peoples should be prepared for judgement.

thus I understand the opinions of the hallowed

This topic makes me want to :yak:

I am disapointed to see this kind of topic here on sb.com. IMO Take it elsewhere guys. I bet few people come here to debate these kinds of issues. There are plenty of sites out there that cater to this kind of topic.

I guess when you get up to 2000 members we have to expect this. I like it better during our smaller days when this place did not need a scupper section.

it's all about respect .........

Sandman...
I have to respectfully disagree; I think the scuppers is the place to talk about whatever people want, and I tend to think this has been an interesting topic... But I like to debate.. :D
I think the beauty of having a place for this is that if you dont like the topic dont read it....
Cheers,
Bryan

and by te way sandman,

this is a topic of importance in the state of Massachusetts right now.

the reason it was begun in the first place.

I respect your opinion but if you can't handle it, stay away.

maybe we should start a forum for the inflexible, hardened fisherman who only care to discuss what THEY believe in.

oh thats right. we already have it. See Grumpy old farts.........

:)

I think it is time I move on...

you got it

"Let he without sin...cast the first stone..."


We are ALL sinners....in our own little secretive way, we commit sin. Is there a difference between a little sin and a big sin? How would this topic compare to ..say, lie-ing to your wife about how much you gambled on the SuperBowl? In God's eyes, would there be a difference?....Why can't we discuss topics like these without people taking offense? In defense of the "Scuppers" forum, "This is a new forum for the not necessarily fishing related topics..."....Mr. Sandman, how could discussing a topic make you "move on"? If it makes you :yak:, don't open it...:) No harm done.

I'm not bashing any(group), I was under the impression that beachwalker, ;) was expressing his opinion...and possibly wanted to hear ours.


"God Bless us, one and all"

Now I'm really getting tweaked here. This is an general conversation forum here on these FISHING boards. As I said in the last thread similar to this, topics SO controversial and polarizing like this on a FISHING website shouldn't be taken TOO seriously nor should they get too serious. This thread, forget about the topic, displayed a general lack of class by many here - regardless of one's position on this topic. And maybe it should be taken somewhere else that has an interest in deciding such an outcome. This is square hole board for round peg topics on a fishing board. This is where stuff that isn't too serious and that has little or nothing to do with fishing can be discussed. This forum and our FISHING boards as a hole are not intended to carry the weight of the future of mankind. Go try a serious site for something like that. Discussion IS and SHOULD be healthy and tolerated here but if it is too serious - remember we're just a fishing site.

We are again starting to drift away from how we were. Same thing happened last year in the final throws of cabin fever. I hate to see it happening again but I guess it is.

Mr Sandman - personally I'd hate to see you leave. It's been a pleasure communicating online for the 2-3 + years you've been hanging out. I don't entirely understand if it's this thread or a culmination of events - I hope not - or you need to take a day off an unwind.

Beach - you got a lot of stones in inviting someone to leave if they don't like it, especially someone that comes from this site when it was a lot smaller. Invite someone to disagree but don't invite them to leave - not your call. Not anyone's unless someone voilates the terms of the board or trashes it.

Again as for this topic, if someone wants to open it to DISCUSS it, that's fine with me. This psuedo-joking "fag ragging" has no place on this site and is really far off of our reason for being here.

Please keep it clean folks and at least semi-personable. Topics that are truly polarizing, such as religion, gay marriage, can go too far beyond the scope of this site.