I know we have a large split of politics here, and dont want a huge debate, just curious who people (dem's) are liking in this primary. I have my beliefs, and like qualities in all the canidates, and havent completly made up my mind, but I'll vote anyways..
This is completly for my own curiosity, and I think we can discuss it, but I'm keeping my selection private...

Bryan

I'll be taking a Libertarian Ballot on March 2 in the Mass Primary....:)

So all the rest don't matter.........:rolleyes: :p

hippies ?

Well, I was trying to be cute... If thats the case, I'm a hippie too...

far out man...

make love not war....

'hound:wave:

50 views and 10 votes... come on guys...:smash:

real hippies are not involved in government ! LOL
peace love dove . here comes the judge . sock it to me .

Ive never liked liars so I dont like polititions !

Kilroy was here !

Yeah, well you still gots long hair like a hippie... :D

ear hair .

Well, some of it's long, anyhow.
:happy:
Rick

I see Mr. (and I use that term extremely loosely) Kerry is leading so far.

Looks like the "Baaaaa...." syndrome........:p :smash: ;)

"Sheep to the Slaughter
Oh and I thought this must be love.....
All your sons and daughters
In a stranglehold with a kid glove.......

The sport of kings, the old queen's heart
The prince in darkness stole some tart
And it's in the papers, it's in the charts
It's in the.....stop press before it all starts"

Sorry, can't vote in the primary..................

FP, if your a registered Repub, I guess choice 5 should work for ya :D

If your an independent (I was for a while) it's all good....

'hound

OK, chew me out like my 14 year old does on this, but I have no interest whatsoever in politics as far as elections and I don't see why people put so much hype and pressure on me to vote when I don't honestly know the candidates, I don't believe in just voting for the party, and I don't get turned on when half of it is the childish mud slinging that goes on before the election. I'll support or oppose specific issues, but the whole election process just sours me. That being said, at this point, Kerry seems to be the most normal of the bunch.

John Kerry is an enemy of freedom. :af:

Oh then just screw it, and throw me in with the hippies.

Didn't want to have a party affiliation whne I registered. I tend to vote for the candidate based on how they go with my views.

I tend to side against incumbents as I am not a fan of career politicians or the politcal machine...........................

Why is Dean showing so badly in this poll?

Is it b/c you guys are more familiar with Kerry?

Is it because of Dean's volatility?

Is it because Dean is further to the left than Kerry ideologically?

I'm only asking because his campaign had a lot of buzz at the beginning, now it looks like it's petering out.

-WW

God I'm bored! I need a new job.
Terry McCaullife put the kibosh on Howard Dean! I'll put good money he puts a whammy on Kerry around mid October!

FWW.....Need I say it again?

"Baaaaaaaa......"

Easy Steve.... I definetly am not a sheep... Besides, at least we have choices in our party this year....

Ben,
Early in the game, I liked Dean, his views on Iraq are similar to my own beliefs, however he lacks the experience to have any successful foreign policy, if he had a bit of varied experience (ie. a senator or congress, as well as Gov.) it may be different..

Edwards is charismatic, but I dont see him as a successful president, maybe in 10 years with a bit more experience..?

Clark, seems like a decent guy, liked him early, but never had strong leanings towards him; again he lacks any experience in a political office...you could do worse for VP than Wes... (read Danny Q)

Kerry is closer to the middle of the road, where I lean on a bunch of issues, his views on health care and such are in line with mine....
how he handles the gay marriage issue (Unfortunetly this will be a HUGE issue in the upcoming elecetion if Kerry gets the nod) and the continuing war will be interesting..
IMHO, it's gonna be alot closer than originally thought come Nov....

FYI I picked Kerry in this, but it is not set in stone....

Bryan

Its soo confusing:huh:
Havn't made up my mind yet, but whoever is chosen will get my vote...
I'm not too fond of Bush.:(

Papa Eben,
thats the bottom line, I dont think Bush is doing a good job and want him out... For a long time I was a registered (I), but GWB made me go Fully to the (D)....

IMO Kerry isn't posturing like most candidates do. He is addressing issues in an honest manner.

He doesn't have my vote (yet).

Interesting Primary.

Great thread 'hound ! :)

:happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :bgi: :btu: :D :putin: :jump: :musc: :wavey: :wiggle: :rotf2: :rotfl: :rotf2: :rotf2:

I'm going to put myself on the ballot for prez. :D

dude you have to born here.........

be

Kerry doesn't have an honest bone in his body. You see him bird hunting?? Trying to get the southern and IRA voters?? He is the largest supporter of gun control going. Talk about two faced. Typical politics.

One more thing, I see my cousin the interplanetaryangler is here. To be warned, there are more of us. Remember Demacrates taste like chicken:alien: :alien:

Pete,
Got your email, I'll keep you posted... I'm working on it...
Bryan


(even if you are a republican :D )

I'ma big fan of Nader, but look at the mess he caused last election..If he wasnt in the running last election, Gore would have been the Prez and the world would be a much different place now... better or worse, who knows:huh:

I lived in Vermont from 86 till 2000. Dr. Dean was our choice for Lt. Gov. and when #^&#^&#^&#^& Snelling died Dr. Dean took over. He was elected and re-elected to I think like 6- 2 yr terms. He was a Good Governor for Vermont and would make a Good President of the U. S. I voted for him in this poll and I will vote for him in the primary and I hope I get to vote for him in the General election.
He is electable. He can beat GWB and if the powers that run the Democratic Party would give him the chance he would be ready today! Kerry has sucked the xxx of everyone in Washington to try to become President. Why, cause he seeks power. Dr. Dean wants to become President so we the people will have an honest and truthful hard worker in the Presidency to lead this country out of the trouble it is in.
Dr. Dean took care of the Gay Marrage situation in Vermont.
Dr. Dean gave the kids of Vermont the Health Care Program that they have today.
Look into History and you will see that most of our successful Presidents have been Governors. The Governors have to make the tough decisions and have to know how to stand on their own feet and do what is best for their State. Dr. Dean, Gov. Dean which ever, can do it cause he has done it!
I would hope you would think about this and search google for Deans web site and find out the answerrs to your questions and then come out and support him. Dr. Dean hits the nail into the oak when he tells the truth, "Only YOU can change America. Get out there and support me for President!"
We the people, the VOTERS, must stand up and take our country back from the politicans.
What has Kerry actually ever done for Massachusetts. I read the other day that in 12 years as Senator he has only filed like 8 bills and none of them have passed. He plays polotics with the rest of that Washington Bunch. Sorry, I digress.

Support Dr. Dean for President!

why does everyone think Kerry dishonest ?

Have never seen the dishonest part before. the rest are a bunch of wankers :)

Originally posted by beachwalker
dude you have to born here.........

That can be changed. :bshake:

Haven't you watched the "X-Files," man?!

:)

mmm scully :)

What about species... she's much hotter than Scully, not that I didnt like scully.... but Species is a great movie... for one reason...





















And it aint Mike Madsen or Ben Kingsley....

oooh ya. that too :uhuh:

Originally posted by beachwalker
why does everyone think Kerry dishonest ?

Have never seen the dishonest part before. the rest are a bunch of wankers :)

In my opinion, he is only out for himself and seems to try too hard to gain all groups acceptance no matter what it takes. How can someone be on both sides of issues? maybe he just changes his mind alot:confused: :laughs:

I would never vote for him, you think Clinton was bad?:laughs:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml
see who's in this picture


I hope Dean catches up but I don't know if I would vote for him either.

Cast your vote for me, Bruce. If I win I'll loan you my antigravity waders so you can skim along the surface of the Ditch.:cool:

Originally posted by RIROCKHOUND
What about species... she's much hotter than Scully, not that I didnt like scully....

Are you nuts? At least Scully won't transmogrify into some freak lizard at the worst possible moment. Nah, I learned my lesson long time ago with her...don't close your eyes and don't let her be on top. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Slipknot
In my opinion, he is only out for himself and seems to try too hard to gain all groups acceptance no matter what it takes. How can someone be on both sides of issues? maybe he just changes his mind alot:confused: :laughs:

I would never vote for him, you think Clinton was bad?:laughs:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml
see who's in this picture


I hope Dean catches up but I don't know if I would vote for him either.

I feel the same way, Slip. I don't think he changes his mind alot, but takes whatever side of an issue will make him more popular for the time being.

If you liked Bill Clinton, You'll love John Kerry.

BTW- The picture says it all

That pic makes me like him even more:D:

OK, see where I get lost in this stuff and lose interest. I thought Kerry's original hype was that he was a VIetnam war vet who had put himself in jeopardy to save another soldier and the picture shows him in protest of the war? Or is this a case where he plays both sides of the issue as was mentioned earlier. Maybe it doesn't come down to the fact that he hasn't really done anything while in office, but has he done anything wrong?

I think he is straight up and discusses substantive issues without a lot of posturing.

Originally posted by Jimbo
but has he done anything wrong?

Yeah, just the small little fact that he promotes and votes for every bill that is designed to steal your and my money and give it to someone else......:af: :af: :af: :af:

hey I heard that Rush Limbaugh is going to run for President to show these guys how to campaign and win . Elmer J Fudd is going to be his running mate .

Originally posted by beachwalker
I think he is straight up and discusses substantive issues without a lot of posturing.
Hey guy, you gotta stop smoken that stuff.

Looks like the "Democrats are hippies" is winning!!
Hehehe if you like Clinton, you'll love Kelly, ain't that the truth.
Should be a Bush slogan!:rotf3:

Well, was I wrong. I predicted that the Clintons would Whack Kerry in October-WRONG! Check out Drudgereport.com. They are doing it right now

All I can figure is a lot of the responses here are from republicans, etc.

Kerry voted FOR Iraq (not many didn't) if that means anything.

I don't understand how an Edwards, Clark or Dean supporter, who has seen their favorite candidate smoozing, posturing and mugging their way through, this doesn't get it ?

I ain't smoking anything Pete. at least not yet....... :)

i am working....:(

Someone give me a hard fact about why I shouldn't support Kerry.

I was between he and Dean and then Dean missed what he should have been talking about and kept up the negativity. Pushed a lot of us away.

That is why they have this parade. If you pay attention and don't get swept up in the fanfare you might be able to see these characters under pressure

Originally posted by beachwalker

Someone give me a hard fact about why I shouldn't support Kerry.



Man, I hate repeating myself:

just the small little fact that he promotes and votes for every bill that is designed to steal your and my money and give it to someone else......

name some

Someone give me a hard fact about why I shouldn't support Kerry.

He boinks interns.

:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:


that ain't so hard......:eek:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

http://chuckmuth.com/newsandviews/nv.cfm

thanks wee. interesting spin.

how much is fact ?

seriously. i am interested in hearing more

As someone who didnt live through Vietnam, I have to say, if he fought and risked his life, he has everyright to be against the war on coming home; Noone knows what he saw/had to do that made him change his colors, or maybe he did his job even though he was against the war all along...
The guy he rescued to recieve a medal was interviewed not long ago and it was a pretty good story....

'hound

Well for one thing Kerry voted for Iraq and now is trying to dump it on Bush. Really they all did. I remember when they sent my son off, they had a big hoopla at the state house and the govenor was in every picture to be taken. Now, you can't get him to admit he was there!! Politicians no back bones.
The one thing if nothing else about Bush, he stands on his hind legs. I may not agree with everything he does, but he seems to speak his mind with conviction and not with pollsters in mind.
If your gonna be the Prez. you have to stand up for what you belive is the right thing to do. Not flip flop with every poll that comes out.
Kerry seems to tell everyone just what they want to hear. You can't do that and be the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. People are not going to agree with you, and sometimes it is your job to do what has to be done regardless of the fall out. Things like send our children off to war. I don't think for one second that was an easy decision and I hate the thought of wishy washy Al Gore, or John Kerry being in charge when all this was going on.

not really hearing anything yet :rolleyes:

Al Sharpton huh?? Now that would be interesting. You think we're bankrupt now! The evening news would have number 1 ratings again, instead of the Simpsons.

Originally posted by beachwalker
thanks wee. interesting spin.

how much is fact ?

seriously. i am interested in hearing more

BW - I honestly don't know, haven't really been keeping up. I'm just passing on what was passed to me.

I figure there has to be some element of truth if there are enough people really angry about Kerry's Vietnam thing. Where there's smoke, there's fire, I guess.

As far as Vietnam goes, this was before my time, I wasn't there to experience it firsthand, so, I have really no right to talk about it or have an opinion on it.

I'm not going to vote for Kerry because of his stance on certain issues, that's all I gotta say.

-WW

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Originally posted by beachwalker
name some

Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote on final passage of a bill providing funds for housing and veterans programs. It also contains funding for 17 independent agencies.

HR 2684: An original bill making appropriations for the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and for sundry independent agencies, boards, commissions, corporations and offices for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2000.

Vote on final passage of a bill that provides $99.5 billion for the housing and veterans programs, as well as other agencies, in Fiscal Year 2000. $44.3 billion would be provided for the department of Veterans Affairs [VA] and $25.9 billion for the department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]. In addition, the package includes $13.6 billion for NASA, $7.6 billion for the Environmental Protection Agency [EPA] and $3.3 billion for the Federal Emergency Management Agency [FEMA]. Among other provisions, the bill also provides $434 million for national volunteer and community service programs [including AmeriCorps], $9 million more than last year.
Bill sponsored by Walsh, R-NY
(Conference Report adopted 93-5 on 10/15/99)

__________________________________________________ _
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.

Kill a proposal to terminate the advanced solid rocket motor project.

HR 2491 (Fiscal 1994 VA & HUD Appropraitions);
Motion to Table;
9/22/93

Outcome: Passed 53-47

Congressional Quarterly Number: 1993 - S275
__________________________________________________ _
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote to adopt the conference report of a bill to provide $1 billion in crop insurance funding over five years, provide $600 million for agriculture research, and $818 million over five years to restore food stamp benefits to elderly and disabled legal immigrants.

S 1150: Agricultural Research, Extension, and Education Reform Act of 1997

Vote to adopt the conference report of a bill to provide $1 billion in crop insurance funding over five years, $600 million for agriculture research in food safety, genetic engineering and crop yields, and $818 million over five years to restore food stamp benefits to children under 18, and elderly and disabled legal immigrants who were in the country when the 1996 welfare reform law passed [Aug. 22, 1996].
Bill introduced by Lugar, R-IN.
(Conference Report adopted 92-8 on 5/12/98)
__________________________________________________ __

More:

Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote to allow consideration of an amendment to provide the bill's $1.5 billion for low-income Medicare recipient premium assistance through the Medicaid program, and not the bill's state block grant program.

S 947: The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 [Budget Reconciliation - Spending]

Vote on a procedural motion to waive the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 to allow consideration of an amendment that would provide the $1.5 billion included in the bill to assist low-income Medicare beneficiaries with their Medicare Part B premiums through expansion of the Medicaid program, rather than through the state block grant program included in the bill.
Amendment offered by Specter, R-PA.
(Motion to waive the Budget Act rejected 52-48 on 6/25/97 [3/5ths vote required])
________________________________________________
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote to allow consideration of an amendment to reinstate food stamps for the children of legal immigrants.

S 947: The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 [Budget Reconciliation - Spending]

Vote on a procedural motion to waive the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 to allow for consideration of an amendment to provide food stamps for the children of legal immigrants to the U.S. [HR 3734, 1996's welfare reform law, ended food stamp eligibility for the children of legal immigrants.]
Amendment offered by Durbin, D-IL.
(Motion to waive the Budget Act rejected 48-52 on 6/25/97 [3/5ths vote required])

________________________________________________

Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.

Vote to table an amendment to delete a program for school breakfast program startups.

S 1956: The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act

Vote on a motion to table, or kill, an amendment that would delete the provisions in the bill that eliminate the School Breakfast Startup and Expansion Program, a program that makes startup grants for initiating or expanding school breakfast or summer food programs.
Lugar, R-IN, motion to table Harkin, D-IA, amendment.
(Tabling motion agreed to 56-43 on 7/23/96)

__________________________________________________















Key Vote

Non-Cash Vouchers



Bill Number: S 1956
Issue: Welfare and Poverty Issues
Date: 07/19/1996
Sponsor: Motion introduced by Breaux, D-LA.


Roll Call Number: 0205
Motion to waive rejected; 3/5ths vote required
Full Member List


Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote on a procedural motion to allow consideration of an amendment to allow states to use block grant funds to provide non-cash vouchers to families that have used up their welfare eligibility.

S 1956: The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act

Vote on a procedural motion to waive the Budget Act of 1974 to allow consideration of an amendment that would allow states to use federal block grant funds to provide non-cash vouchers to families that have used
up their five years of eligibility for cash assistance, based on the state's determination of the needs of the family's children. If a state implemented a welfare assistance time limit less than the five years provided for in the bill, the amendment would require the state to provide the non-cash vouchers, based on the state's determination of the needs of the family's children.
Motion introduced by Breaux, D-LA.
(Motion to waive rejected 51-47 on 7/19/96; 3/5ths vote required)

thanks

man he acts like a real tax and spender.

instituting and/or voting for all these free handouts :af:


oh wait a minute :eek: i am confused :(

is he a democrat or a republican ?

:)

Still want more? (This could go on for days.....:rolleyes: )

Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote to table, or kill, an amendment to repeal the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise [DBE] Program, which requires no less than 10% of highway construction projects funded by the federal government to be contracted to 'disadvantaged business enterprises'. Disadvantaged business enterprises are defined as those owned and controlled by racial minorities and women.

S 1173: Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act [ISTEA]

Vote to table, or kill, an amendment to a substitute amendment to repeal the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise [DBE] Program, which requires no less than 10% of highway construction projects funded by the federal government to be contracted to 'disadvantaged business enterprises'. Disadvantaged business enterprises are defined as those owned and controlled by racial minorities and women. The DBE Program would be replaced by the 'Emerging Business Enterprise Program', which would require states, among other things, to conduct general outreach programs to enable emerging businesses to compete for federal highway contracts, to provide targeted outreach to and recruitment of women and minority-owned emerging businesses, and to provide technical assistance.
Tabling motion introduced by Chafee, R-RI; amendment introduced by McConnell, R-KY.
(Tabling motion passed 58-37 on 3/6/98)
_______________________________________________
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Pass a bill to establish a loan guarantee program for small businesses to assist them in dealing with Year 2000 computer problems.

S 314: Small Business Year 2000 Readiness Act

Vote to pass a bill to establish a loan guarantee program for small businesses to assist them in dealing with Year 200 computer programs. The program would be terminated on December 31, 2000.
Bill introduced by Bond, R-MO.
(Bill passed 99-0 on 3/2/99)
__________________________________________________

Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote to table an amendment eliminating funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.

HR 2466: Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act,2000

Vote to table or kill an amendment that would eliminate funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
Tabling motion introduced by Gorton, R-WA, Amendment introduced by Smith, I-NH, Bill introduced by Regula, R-OH
(Tabling motion passed 80-16 on 8/5/99)
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I could go on ad nauseum, but I think you get the idea.....;)

Originally posted by beachwalker

is he a democrat or a republican ?

:)

As if there is any difference? :smash:

VOTE LIBERTARIAN

Small Government is Beautiful
Personal Responsibility Sets Us Free

:)