I dont live on the cape, what is the opinion of the wind farm off the cape? It wont impact me at all. It seems like a pretty good idea. And i could do without the power plant on the canal trying to give me a heart attack when it lets off some steam.

ask the world weary

it is the end of the world as they know it

I have family in Cotuit and they are for it but they dont own waterfront property.. the people who seem to be really opposed to it are the folks who own houses on the water. The way they see it, but wont mention it, is that that their property value is going to drop if those windmills do go up...... and thats the main reason for their gripe.

My understanding from something I read a while ago was that, if it indeed works, little if any of the energy generated by the windmill farm would benefit the residents of the Cape, but they'd probably be paying for it both monetarilay and in some cases having to see the monstrocity on the horizon day in day out. It would also be located smack dab in the middle of a prime fishing and recreational boating area, thus considered a hazard. There's probably some logic behind it, but I truly don't understand why it had to be that exact spot.
Is it that hard to find a place far enough off shore that it can't be seen and doesn't hinder shipping or boating lanes? I'm usually a bit more protective in my neck, but hey, we already have the most toxic dumps in the nation here in NJ, off shore dumping is pretty much the norm, why not put the windmills out where they do all that and rename us "The Garden, Offshore Windmill, and Dumping State". What view are you going to ruin where they already dump garbage and what boater would make it a point of going there on purpose to relax, let alone fish?

simplify life....go back to old ways....no on the the wind farm.....IMO

This is the only wind farm that I am in favor of!>:bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: :bshake: Think of all the energy it would create if we could harness the methane gas expended by humans in just one day of fishing???:laugha: I think the wind-farm is a bad idea from the start....I liken it to the brilliant idea of the express lane headed into Boston! Stupid, expensive and a huge waste of resources and money and then when it becomes some idiots "folly"....there they will stand, just a huge blight on the landscape! Personally, I don't think it will ever happen!:mad:

A hazard to fishermen?

Can you imagine just how much baitfish will make the pillars home?!

Freaking tuna heaven during the late summer!@#!!!

that the windfarm would be so far out that it would be difficult to be seen and that surplus electricity would be sold back to the grid for a state profit. the added structure would most definately increase fishing cover ...most people look out at the waves and see a few sailboat sails and would need binoculars to see them.
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but we have to stop relying on nuclear power plants and fossil fuels at some point as both technologys are polluting the earth
at an alarming pace. barrels of nuclear waste are being stored
inside salt mines deep within the earth. thats crazy! the best sources of power is either solar ,wind, hydro or geothermal to make steam engines run. Other than that hydrogen derived from ethanol seems to be another healthier renewable alternative.

you forgot methane :eek:

:eek5: :eek5:

:err:

:bshake:

:splat: :splat: :splat:

:D :D

Instead of putting it on Horseshoe Shoal do this:

If your in favor of it you get a free 300' turbine in your back yard

This whole thing is ludicrous

Its not a "wind farm" Its an Industrial Site.

i guess it just hasnt come of age yet.

Why is it OK to have an "Industrial Site" in rural America where it is relatively sparsly populated, or in the inner city, but it isn't OK to have one where the rich (powerful) live and play???????????

We as a society sometimes need to sacrifice for the better of humanity in the future..............................We need to look at new ways to generate electricity..........

I knew I was powerful but rich ? :laughs: :laughs:

The sound isn't some wheat field or desert ridge.

No blame to you FP but it seems to be a frequent tactic in politics to play the Blame Game instead of the Facts Jack. That windfarm should be out in the ocean somewhere. Out of visual range. That would shut up all the whiners.
If it isn't good enough then they should bag it.

What is going to happen when all our utilitie costs start going up this summer ?

I think it is a good idea, this was also mentioned of a Point Judith before. I think they were talking about 6 miles offshore which I do not think would be too bad. Think about rising energy costs today, natural gas and oil have been very high for the last couple of years now and eventually we are going to deplete these resources if we don't seek alternatives. Of course none of us will probably see that day but how about our kids they might? Also maybe it will lower prices because we won't need to rely solely on gas and oil. They have these wind farms in California it seems to work for them.

I live here on the Cape and they say it will be abut 4 miles from me. You ever look at something 4 miles away?? What do you think you are going to see?? I will tell you, not much!!

I think it isa good idea!! We need clean engery and we need start some were.

Why is Horseshoe shoal a good site? well it is close to shore and not very deep. This will make building and supply to the main land a good thing.

Bad for the fish?? I belive it will be a great thing for them!! The bait fish will have a place to hide and make there home. The bigger fish are going to come to were the baitfish are making us all happy!!

Bad thing we will not be able to fish right near them and have to wait till the population exploades the boundry around the area.

The only thing I have against the wind farm is this: We here on the cape pay some of the higest Eletric bill in the state! And we will not benfit from the farm!! All elt. will be sold to the grid and then sold back to us at a profit!!
If we are going to host this site then we should be getting something back form the site!
I don't say this cause I live here!! I think any area that allows a clean air source for power what ever it may be should benfit from it.

My take on it is that it's not the terrible idea that everyone immediatly judges it to be...
One simple fact; The north-east as a whole uses an insane amount of energy (fossil fuel, nuclear etc..) but we produce almost none... So I think that if it could lessen the amount of fuel consumed, even by a few % it's not a bad thing...

These things will be well offshore and barely visable to beachgoers/homeowners... just rich people trying to stop a good idea... but to each his own... this is a hotly contested topic, and was a good post....

wind farms BLOW !

Let see they want to put a three hundred foot wind turbine on my land. If they pay me what the cell phone company pays my culb to have there tower on our land all, i can say is build it baby build it. ThomT

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Windfarm-Yes:)

QUOTE: the proposed wind farm off the coast of Massachusetts, for example, seeks to build 130 towers over more than 24 square miles of ocean. The facility would produce only 450 megawatts of power, a relative pittance compared with total demand.
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it would produce only 1 percent of newenglands demand for power and aside from the fact of creating new habitat for the oceans food chain its not even close for a good return on investment....................
that being the 130 statue of liberty sized UGLY metal structures
covered in bird crap. All this.... is a waste. New Englanders could easily find ways of reducing consumption rather than have to navigate around 24 SQUARE MILES or MORE of rusty metal.
I am Voting NO! One percent...try 95 percent! then maybe.130 STATUE OF LIBERTY sized UGLY metal structures for 1% is a JOKE!

i dont want to see a friggen eye sore just cause some #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& from over the bridge wants to make doe

I say - Nuclear Power Plant in Holyoke!!!

:D

Ah John, that's NUCULAR Power plant:D

Put them on top of Mt. Washington instead, I won't have to see them then.

Or why not just build some hydro electric generators by using tidal power, the tides on the north shore and north are above 10' and that has alot of potential, I don't see why they don't do that??? maybe it would impact the fishies and stuff??

anyway, I would vote no.

the sad thing is this- one day our little planet isnt going to have enough naural resources to support our energy needs. :(

What kills me is the waste of our current resources. Like the milf driving the lexus suv by herself burning a gallon a mile going to church group.

You ain't shiitin' cheferson but then I suck down 40 gals a week during my fishing season and I wonder how commited I am to contributing to reduction in reliance of fossil fuel usage.

I understand that the S.O.S. gang brought forth an important issue of a guarantee on removal of the towers and it ends up that the current estimated usable life of the turbine is 30 years and they need to be replaced.

They are required to post a bond for removal. How is that guaranteed ?

I take issue with some comments that those who are opposed to the wind farm are, among other things, rich and powerful waterfront property owners concerned about their real estate values. I am a hard working Cape Codder who routinely puts in 50, 60 and 70 hour weeks to continue to live on Cape Cod where I was born over thirty years ago. I am neither monitarily wealthy, nor powerful.

First, I wish that those opposed would plainly state their reasons for opposition, whatever they may be. Loss of real estate value is a legitimate concern if you are the owner of the property. Would you allow a wind farm across the street from your home.... honestly? I doubt it, because your single largest assest would suffer financially and there is nothing wrong with that IMHO! Others, just don't want to see these things when they go to the beach, fine. I don't have a problem with opposition simply for that reason. But say it like it is. Don't use things like a faliure to lower local electricty costs to make an opposition arguement when your real issue is with your view. Call it like it is.

Second, you will most certainly be able to see these turbines from shore. The Horseshoe Shoals area begins about 5 miles south of the Centerville/Osterville/Hyannisport coastline. To say that you won't be able to see these structures is simply not true.

Bass River Beach in South Yarmouth is exactly 5 nm from Bishop and Clerk Light which is to the southwest of the beach. This is about the same distance from shore as where the northernmost turbines would begin to be located on the Horseshoe. For comparison, Bishop Light is 45ft high according to the US Coast Guard Light List. It is highly visible to the naked eye when standing on the beach at sea level. Extremely visible! At only 45ft high it is about 372 ft SHORTER than these proposed turbines will be in hieght. PLUS, they have proposed 130 of these over a 24 square mile area! 130 wind turbines, 417 feet high, five miles offshore won't be visible? C'Mon, be real.... Cape Wind has a test tower which is about twelve miles from Bass River. I couldn't find data on the height of this structure, but it has to be 200' at a minimum. And yes, that is visible too. Admittedly, it is not easy to see, but my point is, even at twelve miles in distance it can be seen with the naked eye.

Please, don't tell those who live on Cape Cod, who were born and raised here, what is good for us when many of those commenting on this thread live out of state, not just off cape. Why do so many of you wait hours in traffic to vacation here? To see our wind farm???? I don' think so!

Third, I will certainly admit that structure is great for fish habitats. Years ago cement filled tires were dumped outside of the Bass River to form a fish reef. It is a great spot to do some bottom fishing, or trolling for bass & blues. But, I believe that there is a larger loss when these turbines are built. Horseshoe Shoals, and Nantucket Sound will be forever changed from the amazing beauty that it now holds. And folks, the fishing is already great there, it is its' own natural structure.

Having said all of this, I am still not certain that I am opposed to the farm! I haven't learned everything yet, or at least enough to make a truly informed decision. But, some of these comments on this thread needed to be addressed. I despise our country's dependence on foreign oil and I would love to see the US develop natural, clean energy resources! But, c'mon. Nantucket Sound is an incredibly unique and special spot. I fish there at least once a week in season. But, larger than my own personal concerns is that once changed, it cannot be restored to its' natural state. I know the Sound can be a windy place, but there are lots of windy places in this country, and I am sure many would embrace a project that could provide jobs and tax revenues.

On this project, I think right now, I have to come down on the side of caution and say that more research should be conducted and more locations should be explored. Unfortunately, I have seen in the past when projects, whether they are shopping centers, strip malls, fast food joints, or outfall pipes in Boston Harbor are awful hard to stop once the money has been invested to get the train rolling. I don't see how this project can be stopped from becoming a reality.

Finally, I am not a member of Save Our Sound, nor of the Cape Wind project. I am not a member of Greenpeace or any other environmental group. I am just one man, with one opinion. I do not speak for anyone other than myself.

If any of you are interested in both sides of the story:

http://www.saveoursound.org/

http://www.capewind.org/index.php

Thanks, Hooper ;)

With the limited supply of fossil fuels and the polution they produce when used makes wind power a good alternative. I think it wouldbe kinda cool to see a wind farm, its clean energy. Even of it doesnt produce massive amounts of energy its a step in the right direction, we cant go on forever using fossil fuels. As i understand it Horseshoe shoals is uniquely suited for the wind farm. ive never been out there with a depth finder but i would assume the water isnt all that deep. It would be nice to throw the farm way outta sight, but often that means reallly deep water and i dont know how deep you could put a farm. Just imagine how much hydro power they could get out of the canal, but it would screw up the fishing.
I really think that people need to think of the limited supply of fossil fuels when they think of wind farms in general. We are going to run out of the stuff eventually. Its not going to happen in our lifetime and probably not in our childrens lifetimes either. But it will indeed happen we need to do all we can to reduce our consumption and a wind farm is a great way to do it. O dont live oin the cape unfortunatly but if i did i would be more than willing to have a wind farm withon sight. It would make me feel that we are doing something good for the environment on a global basis. I would be proud of it. Being an avid fisherman and hunter i have a vested intrest in the environment as i know that most people that visit this site do.

Do wind farms create noise pollution? Ask S-B.com member Empirekitchen shown in this clip:

Makara residents fuming over noisy wind farm - Campbell Live - Video - 3 News (http://www.3news.co.nz/Makara-residents-fuming-over-noisy-wind-farm/tabid/367/articleID/115226/Default.aspx)

The constant thumping might actually work as an attractant for the fishes and as pointed out early the structure are sure to provide homes to bait and attract BIG fish.

I'm for it and would love to have one in my backyard.

what is going on with this? Any decision on whether they can build it or not?

Decision time for Salazar on Cape Wind | CapeCodOnline.com (http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100302/NEWS/3020310)

This is why the northeast has a reputation of being hostile to business - because we're against everything.

I agree with Hooper. Why should we as a people allow our government to give away land to a private company so that we can pay for them, through tax incentives/tax breaks(that means our tax dollar is footing a huge part of the cost, well over a billion $ estmated) to build a power plant that hey say at a minimum the energy at todays prices is going to cost 33% more than we currently pay. That means we are paying for thwe towers to be constructed. If it is so god damn important then we should build and own the entire facility. 130 turbines will probably be visible from 10 to 12 miles away. Christ I can see the practice/test tower when I am on the Vineyard easily. You all should read the Vineayrd Gazette editorial page and get a true sense of all of the facts, good and bad, about the wind towers. As a side story, many of the companies, most of whom originated in Europe have been infiltrated by crooks many of whom have been indicted, eight so far. While the technology is much more efficient, it should be put to a vote of the citizens who are going to be affected by the building of the towers, from an esthetic and monetray viewpoint. Just recently an attorney, whose name is Jeffrey Madison, whose family is a member of the Aquinnah tribe, went to work for Wynn and Wynn in Hyannis and has been negotiating with two factions of the tribe, offering bribes, to make their tribal oppositon go away. This whole thing pisses me off.

Yes to wind mills in general. Where they go is an issue for the experts in that field. I think they look for places that will have continuous wind above a certain speed , places that will have below a certain height of Max surf during hurricanes , Places where they power can be transmitted to the grid without too much line lose , palces with workable depths , etc , etc. The only drawback I see is on being obstacles to navigation. I don't think any other argument holds water , not even the drop in real estate values. I'm not so sure that would even happen.

Anyway , we need energy and we need it now. "Not in my back yard" has added a gazzilion dollars to the cost of energy in the USA.

I've been close to the one Near Portsmouth Abby and to be honest , nless you are looking right at it , you forget its even there.

So for me its thumbs up for wind power.

I say - Nuclear Power Plant in Holyoke!!!

:D

Funny you mention nukes. That windfarm represents a nuke plant that won't be built. We need the power, we just don't want to see it. Sometime we can't see anything at all when the power goes out. I'm for it.

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

The only drawback I see is on being obstacles to navigation.

Unless you have wheels, Nantucket Sound IS a hazard to navigation.

Also Gosnold has it in the works to tell MV to screw itself and have a windfarm put up in their neighborhood.

How many remember the old windmill on Cuttyhunk? Hmm? Maybe Nebe? :hihi:

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

Well Said Fred..

now given that...

as we both know.. Wind was invented in Truro..when the wind blows up there on the top of them hills, it howls..

a lot of acres that are not used or accessed much, owned by the Federal Govt. ...

Truro Wind Farm.. :uhuh:

I go past the two in Portsmouth everyday. PHS I believe pays for it own electricity and kicks 200K back in surplus to the town.
The Abbey has a similar but smaller number.

I want a small one on my roof.

Well Said Fred..

now given that...

as we both know.. Wind was invented in Truro..when the wind blows up there on the top of them hills, it howls..

a lot of acres that are not used or accessed much, owned by the Federal Govt. ...

Truro Wind Farm.. :uhuh:

My Grandfather had a windmill that pumped his well. It's been done.
I wonder if the NIMBY crowd would change their minds if their Town got free power for hosting a wind farm..

there's new designs that are low profile for home owners

My Grandfather had a windmill that pumped his well. It's been done.
I wonder if the NIMBY crowd would change their minds if their Town got free power for hosting a wind farm..

They'd be against an ATM that gave out free money for town residents - too much noise and crowding....

Saltheart has it pretty much right.
It is an intensive process involving a lot of consideration. The Rhode Island progress has benefited from the Cape Wind struggle. I hope they both go forward. Any recreational fisherman against offshore wind is not thinking. they will not be restricting access. Think Rig fishing in the gulf coast...

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.
Last I checked the proposal was to build in the ocean? Soliciting opinions is a dog-and-pony show when you know the answer is 'no' already. It's like trying to business with someone you know you can't make money with as soon as you look at them.

It's also important to note that if the wind farm produces power at 33% more than the current cost of coal burning power plants initially, the frequent increase in electric costs will begin to diminish the inefficiency of the wind farm each time our electric rates go up.

I'll take a smaller turbine in my back yard please. That, and throw in a Nuke in Little Compton

A major issue that no one considers with an offshore wind farm is that the life of the equipment is significantly reduced due to the continuous exposure to salt water. The Jamestown bridge is a good example to what happens to the "usual" construction materials when exposed to a marine environment.

Wind power ..a good idea, offshore not so because to be economicly viable it will need to have a significant amount of taxpayer subsidy and right now this taxpayer can't afford any more...

Any recreational fisherman against offshore wind is not thinking. they will not be restricting access. Think Rig fishing in the gulf coast...

I had this conversation with my dad a couple of years ago while out fishing out off the south side of the Cape. It could be a huge benefit to fishermen. I'm all for it if it really is cost effective.

Swimmer, if the Government didn't give public lands to utilitys, we'd have no telephone, no electricity, no gas. We'd be living at early 1800s levels.

But we are paying for this to be constructed. Not only providing the land/water, but the financing as well.

You will see once the permits are issued, completely different entities owning the wind farm.

We should own it.

A major issue that no one considers with an offshore wind farm is that the life of the equipment is significantly reduced due to the continuous exposure to salt water. The Jamestown bridge is a good example to what happens to the "usual" construction materials when exposed to a marine environment.

Wind power ..a good idea, offshore not so because to be economicly viable it will need to have a significant amount of taxpayer subsidy and right now this taxpayer can't afford any
more...

This has been one of the concerns that I have raised as well. Twenty, thirty years from now when energy is produce more economically, by another means, who is going to remove the eyesores. Look at southern Califonia, east of the Sieras adjacent to Edwards air force base. They are all over the place, like dune monsters.

Unless you have wheels, Nantucket Sound IS a hazard to navigation.

Also Gosnold has it in the works to tell MV to screw itself and have a windfarm put up in their neighborhood.

How many remember the old windmill on Cuttyhunk? Hmm? Maybe Nebe? :hihi:


loud m-efer... if i remember right it was taken down because it was driving everyone nuts.

loud m-efer... if i remember right it was taken down because it was driving everyone nuts.


Louder than the diesel generator?

Now what makes you think that you would be allowed to fish anywhere near these structures when they are built?
You may be able to fish, say 100' away from them, but nothing like we have imagined.
How close can you fish near the Plymouth power plant?
Remember the "no fishing/boating" zone established around Deer Island?

We are definitely counting our chickens before they are hatched, heck before the eggs have even been laid!

Now what makes you think that you would be allowed to fish anywhere near these structures when they are built?
You may be able to fish, say 100' away from them, but nothing like we have imagined.
How close can you fish near the Plymouth power plant?
Remember the "no fishing/boating" zone established around Deer Island?

We are definitely counting our chickens before they are hatched, heck before the eggs have even been laid!

What makes you think you wouldn't be able to fish right up against them? Who do you think would own the turbines?

Coast Guard was pretty clear. I believe it is like the bridges and buoys, you can fish next to them, just can't tie up to them.

we paid for them therefore we fish next to them :love:

Louder than the diesel generator?

based upon a jet engine design

thats round instead of rotating blades

but nothing was mentioned about decibles

That makes sense.
All it would take would be for one person to have an accident/incident with one and it could change.

Louder than the diesel generator?

Considering it was on the second highest hilltop on the island with 40 year old inefficient aluminum blades/hub/stator (?)...

YES!

It hadn't been used in nearly 20 years and was on the verge of falling down when they took it down.

Indian Wars:

Pocasset Wampanoag tribe supports Cape wind farm

A Wampanoag Indian tribe from Massachusetts is supporting a proposed Nantucket Sound wind farm opposed by two tribes closer to the project.

The Pocasset Wampanoag chairman George Spring Buffalo wrote to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who is considering the 130-turbine Cape Wind project.

The Mashpee and Gay Head Wampanoag say Cape Wind would be built on long-submerged burial grounds and interfere with sacred rituals.

Buffalo wrote Wednesday that his tribal elders had never seen or heard about those rituals.

He said Cape Wind fits a vision for energy "produced in harmony with nature."

Minor Detail: Buffalo said his 200-member tribe isn’t federally recognized, like the other tribes.

Many Green technologies are right on the verge of becoming economical. Many are jsut break even now but would be economical if they were mass produced. Solar cells are about break even and should be money makers in 5 years or so. Wind needs to also get benefits from economies of scale and also newer superconduxting technologies which will make each mill able to generate 10 times more power. I think in the next ten years , many of these things will break through into black ink as costs of alterbnatives come down while costs of fossil based go up. I think their time has come.

I say do it. It's better than LNG from Yemen

Many Green technologies are right on the verge of becoming economical. Many are jsut break even now but would be economical if they were mass produced. Solar cells are about break even and should be money makers in 5 years or so. Wind needs to also get benefits from economies of scale and also newer superconduxting technologies which will make each mill able to generate 10 times more power. I think in the next ten years , many of these things will break through into black ink as costs of alterbnatives come down while costs of fossil based go up. I think their time has come.

Alot of the "cost" are the lobbyists fighting against it. Slowly but surely some of the heavy hitters are starting to become FOR wind power.
I know of at least one that dropped oil and went to wind.

130 wind turbines, gee the Fugowee race could slalom through the wind farm and award prizes in various events.

It is ironic that O'Bama heralded the start of the process for issuing permits to another nuclear energy plants a couple of weeks ago. Did you greeen guys no that?

130 wind turbines, gee the Fugowee race could slalom through the wind farm and award prizes in various events.

It is ironic that O'Bama heralded the start of the process for issuing permits to another nuclear energy plants a couple of weeks ago. Did you greeen guys no that?

1. Oh no! A hazard to navigation!
There was a naval officer (retired) from Europe that came and spoke to the RI concerns about the spacing and size. he was qualified b/c to speak to navigation issues since he had driven a destroyer through a similar wind farm with zero issues and more than enough room to spare. Likwid, can the Maxi sized racers even go on Horseshoe now?

2. Absolutely. Most 'green guys' I know have ZERO issue's with Nuke power. trust me, if the potential is there to build, the industry will develop a method of storing and or reusing the spent material.

2. Absolutely. Most 'green guys' I know have ZERO issue's with Nuke power. trust me, if the potential is there to build, the industry will develop a method of storing and or reusing the spent material.

Agreed. Nuclear is far better than Coal, Oil or NG in my opinion.

Agreed. Nuclear is far better than Coal, Oil or NG in my opinion.

I like nuclear energy but there still really isn't a viable, cost effective way to dispose of spent fuel rods. It is my understanding there are hundreds to thousands of rods still to be disposed which have been generated over the past 40 years. Anybody have a different understanding?

I like nuclear energy but there still really isn't a viable, cost effective way to dispose of spent fuel rods. It is my understanding there are hundreds to thousands of rods still to be disposed which have been generated over the past 40 years. Anybody have a different understanding?

You are not wrong, but I think that stems from the construction of no new plants. Tell that industry there will be more built, here are the guidelines, and the disposal will be figured out quickly. Options are out there.

simplify life....go back to old ways....no on the the wind farm.....IMO

living in caves??

IMO, build them already, what is taking so long?

Agreed. Nuclear is far better than Coal, Oil or NG in my opinion.

my father in law has his Doctorate in Physics and he says Nuke is the only way to go. I will listen to him, but not usually his daughter

my father in law has his Doctorate in Physics and he says Nuke is the only way to go. I will listen to him, but not usually his daughter

We'll store the rods on you neighbors farm. It's all cleared out now, so transport and stackin shouldn't be a problem.

We'll store the rods on you neighbors farm. It's all cleared out now, so transport and stackin shouldn't be a problem.

Storing spent rods, throwing tons of noxious gases into the air, ugly to look at, drastic changes to the ecosystem - there is a negative to every method of power generation be it nuclear, coal/oil/NG, wind or hydro.

As long as it's not in my backyard I don't really care.

-spence

There are methods for storing nuclear waste in containers that are corrosion resistant for 100,000 years. The basic idea is that in that much time we may figure out a better way.

I have no problem with Nukes for power generation.

It won't be long in the grand scheme of things until sustainable fusion reactors and other new technologies eliminate all energy concerns. With limitless energy we will also someday synthesize any material we want. All we have to do is not kill eachother before that time comes.

I am absolutely sure the technology will solve the matter/energy issues. I hold out little hope that we won't blow ourselves back into the stone age. More than likely we will destroy the planet because we just hate anybody who has a different idea than us about God. A bunch of animals who's loftiest ideas will result in our extinction.

[QUOTE= More than likely we will destroy the planet because we just hate anybody who has a different idea than us about God. A bunch of animals who's loftiest ideas will result in our extinction.[/QUOTE]

Truer words were never spoke..

Religion should never mix or influence government, or foriegn relations.
but.. we let it, and ...here we are.. non stop pissing contests over who's invisible man is better...:yak5:

As part of a federal project to renovate the Monomoy Lighthouse, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is proposing to build a 75-foot wind turbine to generate electricity for the historic structure.


The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service plans an historic rehabilitation of the Monomoy Lighthouse and keeper’s house. Part of the project also calls for a 75-foot wind turbine to generate electricity for the remote site. CHRISTOPHER SEUFERT PHOTO
The project, which is being funded through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, will restore the historical integrity of the 40-foot-tall lighthouse, the keeper’s house and an oil shed, all of which are listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The last major work on the structures was done in 1988, and the harsh environment of the Monomoy National Wildlife Refuge has taken its toll.

“That previous work all has to be redone,” said Refuge Manager David Brownlie. Once restored, the agency hopes to reopen the buildings for use by the service and other agencies.

“We hope to utilize it more for our own staff, and in addition, we’re hoping in the very least it can be reopened to short-duration tour stops,” Brownlie said.

The cast-iron, brick-lined lighthouse and wood-framed keeper’s house were both built in 1849. Work on the lighthouse includes exterior restoration, painting, window replacement, cast-iron repair, rehabilitation of interior stairs, brick repointing and repainting. Work on the keeper’s house includes site and foundation work, exterior wood rehabilitation and replacement, window restoration, deck replacement, interior wood and plaster repair, plumbing, mechanical, electrical and structural work. Cost is projected at between $1 million and $5 million.

The work will also include replacement of the old cesspool with a composting toilet and new electrical well, which will require power.

According to Brownlie, two plans are being considered to generate approximately 15 kilowatts of electricity. One is a single traditional propeller-blade wind turbine mounted on a 75-foot monopole. The other is a vertical corkscrew-type turbine, which requires a smaller pole. While the six- to eight-foot vertical turbines will operate in lower wind conditions than the propeller-driven turbine, they only generates about four kilowatts of power each, so four of them would be needed, he said.

Because Monomoy is a migratory bird sanctuary and home to many threatened and endangered species, including piping plovers and roseate terns, there is concern about a turbine’s impact on the avian population. Brownlie said the agency is in the process of doing an environmental assessment and is completing an internal discussion on endangered species compliance. That deals specifically with plovers and roseate terns; the overall environmental assessment will consider other shorebird species.

Brownlie said similar turbines are in operation at several other National Wildlife facilities, and they’ve been monitored for bird strikes.

“It’s a very, very low incidence of even suspected bird strikes,” he said, “and a majority of those have been from starlings who nested in openings in the turbines.” He has seen no documentation of plover, tern or other shorebird mortality due to wind turbines of the size and type being proposed.

“These are not Cape Wind, large capacity big wind turbines,” Brownlie said, referring to the Cape Wind proposal to install 130, 258-foot turbines at Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound. “They’re much smaller.” However, the turbine will probably be visible from the mainland, he said, and from a “considerable distance offshore, in good weather.”

Monomoy’s huge tern colony is mainly located at the northern tip of South Monomoy (which is no longer an island since it is attached to South Beach), a considerable distance from the lighthouse. Plovers have nested in the vicinity of the lighthouse, Brownlie said, with one nest last year within 100 yards of the structure. Construction isn’t expected to begin until August, after shorebirds have nested and the young have fledged, but any nests near the work area will be more closely monitored, he said.

The project also include making the refuge’s Morris Island headquarters buildings more energy efficient. A vertical wind turbine is also under consideration there, Brownlie said.

“Quite frankly, we don’t know if we’re going to end up with a wind turbine” on the mainland portion of the refuge, he said. Engineers, planners and refuge officials were slated to meet on both projects Tuesday. The headquarters project will also include weatherization of the buildings and installation of solar panels on the dorm building.

Fish and Wildlife officials met with town officials last Thursday to discuss the project. The agency will have to file for permits from the conservation commission and board of health, said Dr. Robert Duncanson, director of the department of health and environment. The biggest concern of local officials is how equipment and material will be brought to the island, he said.

“They’re going to need a lot of material out there for what they’re proposing,” he said. Initial plans call for equipment and material to be brought to the remote location by helicopter, he said.

Storing spent rods, throwing tons of noxious gases into the air, ugly to look at, drastic changes to the ecosystem - there is a negative to every method of power generation be it nuclear, coal/oil/NG, wind or hydro.


I wonder if you can turn a spent rod into a lure? Coat it with E-tex.

I wonder if you can turn a spent rod into a lure? Coat it with E-tex.

Replace all the lead used in sinkers/lures with spent full rod material.........all would eventually end up in the bottom of the ocean, cheap form of disposal for the nuclear industry not the fisherman. You could then use the lead to make shields to protect your important body parts from exposure to the lure....:confused:

You are not wrong, but I think that stems from the construction of no new plants. Tell that industry there will be more built, here are the guidelines, and the disposal will be figured out quickly. Options are out there.

I hear there are a lot of caves in Afghanistan....:)

Karl F Saved me the trouble about Monomy I,m not going to takes sides on wind power other than to say if it wasn't for the birdy people using the Government light house as a waterfront camp site we wouldn't need the wind turbines in a desolate location. Kerosene lamp and an outhouse could save a few million.
PS Don't tell Capesam he will be crushed