:confused:

Just like a freshwater licence.

Most people say the ocean should be free, but nothing else is free
these days and the money could go to purchasing land, making fishing piers and other things fisherman want to see the government do, but cost $$$ (like hireing people to patrol herring runs, cleanup and restoration).

I never thought I'd ever be in favor of a saltwater licence since it might be unenforceable (well maybe not, most fishing spots are well known) but the more I think about it, the more I think a recreational licence is a pretty good idea.
I just wonder what a recreational licence would allow?

I would think boat recreational guys who fish with their buddies wouldn't like it (buddies would have to have a licence), or the guy that only fishes a couple times a year might not like it, but a serious recreational fisherman who fishes whenever they can, is a good fisherman, and appreciates fishing, might not mind payiing 25-50 dollars for a recreational licence every year.

can we license someone to come and take your computer away ?

:bsod: :uhuh:

Is this guy for real?:confused: "The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a saltwater license"!:smash: :wall: :behead: :gorez: :rocketem: :nailem: :peessed: :splat: :shocked:

Striprman....I am thinking of buying my first boat and I need an anchor!:eek: Interested?:laugha: :doh:

That would be a real good way to alienant all your friends and relatives who maybe like going with you a couple times a year. You'll never have anybody to help you pull the anchor up.

The boat registration fee, excise taxes, sales tax on gear is far enough.

Sure, where do I sign up for that "recreational saltwater fishing license"?:confused: 25.....50 bucks? Hey, no problem.....I was looking for a way to further hemorrhage money!!!:rocketem:

Hey I bought a new book today written by a guy who calls himself, of all things, Striprman! The book is called "How To Piss Off Your Fellow Recreational Fisherman, And Win Friends On A New Fishing Related Web-Site"!:read: :rocketem: Dance, Dammit....Dance!

Beamie:laugha:

:wave: Here I am Van....over here!

:topic: OK....don't anybody move a finger on those keyboards.....:eek:...this is an official thread hi-jacking.....do as I say and no one will be harmed!:mad: This thread is now in the hands of "The Recreational Fisherman Against The Inhumanity To Those On Striped-Bass By The Posting Of Inane And Ridiculous Threads By Striprman Organization!" :claps: Thats right....you heard me....this is an "official" hi-jacking of a thread! If everyone co-operates....no one will be harmed and we can return you all safely to your web-sites shortly!:hidin: Alright Striprman....the jig is up....come out from behind that couch before I have to come over there.....:rolleyes: Beachwalker.....please confiscate that computer that Striprman is hiding over there and we can be on our way and return these fine people to their normal everyday way of life, and, due to our heroic act of taking over this thread, they will no longer have to continue being bombarded with cruel inane drivel (that was a good word Beachwalker, I hope you don't mind me using it?).:bsod: Yes....thats it....smash that computer and we can be on our way shortly!:laugha: One last piece of business....Driver.....turn this thread around and return it to its point of origin!:ss: Beachwalker....our work is finished here....for now! Rest assured my fellow S-Bassers.....whenever there is excessive thread posting.....where ever there is talk of "not minding" paying for a saltwater recreational fishing license......BigFish will be there to foil the evil-doers!:btu:

We now return your computers to your control!:)

Just think of all the good things that the monies that are raised
would do. More money for law enforcement, recreational fishing piers, public access areas, herring run restoration and cleanup, building reefs. The same type of things the freshwater and sportsmans licences do. 25-50 bucks is the cost of a couple plugs, surely it would be money well spent if is directed towards improving fishing.

Oh Ho....it is you Striprman....you have come to do battle my friend!:af: Put em' up and let us do battle my fearless and incredulous fo! What weapons shall we choose? Dull threads at 20 paces or sharp, well honed wit from across these phone lines?:eek: The weapon is your choice....on guard!:D

I await your reply......you cower in the shadows of the lurker.....show yourself Striprman and let us do battle!:cheers:I choose a rousing game of quarters....you in?:gu: :gu: :gu: :gu: :gu:

My honest opinion on this topic Striprman is that we pay too GD much in taxes as it is! We have all of those things that you mention now and I still have $50.00 in my pocket. I was at a Herring Run cleanup this morning (doing my part) and I do many other things that are helpful towards our fisheries in the course of the year and you want me to part with more of my money? More money for law enforcement, recreational fishing piers and herring run restoration.....please, the only place any of that money would go is into these crooked politicians pockets or transferred into the general fund just as that crooked no-good Sh*t Romney tried to do with all the dough generated from the freshwater licenses. I already pay for a freshwater license, that in itself should cover both as far as I am concerned. Pay 25-50 dollars for a saltwater license and we would get what? I would still be cleaning out herring runs with the other folks who generously donate their time to do so because none of all of the money I already pay in taxes ever seems to get where it is supposed to go. :af: Excise tax goes to repair roadways?????:confused: Have you noticed the condition of the roadways in the state of Mass lately? Please, spare me! If things get much worse around here, I am gonna find myself patching roadways in my spare time along with cleaning herring runs.:gorez:

Striprman ~

It is wishfull thinking any money raised will go to the efforts proposed, can you say GENERAL FUND.

Our Governor has already tried to hijack conservation $ raised from hunting licenses. Does anyone know the status of that?

Do not fall into the trap.

I believe it was Gov. Weld who said they will have to pry the gun from my cold dead fingers before we have a saltwater license.

That is how our gov. should be.

Along with SB gamefish status, its like throwing PETA a bone. One more step to no fishing, one more step to taking away our freedoms.

Well BF, it appears you don't think a rec licence would be good because your boat/ beach buddies wouldn't like it, any other reasons? I used to be against the idea of a licence for the same reasons, but the more I think about it, the more I like it. Money for cleaning up polluted areas, improving docks, purchacing land on tidal rivers....

I understand that alot of people feel a saltwater fishing licence is just one more tax, but if the money raised improved fishing, it would be money well spent.

Striperman,
You MUST be a frigin democrat!!!
:af:
We've got enough fees we pay to fishing / boating
Boat registration fee,mouring permit fee,excise tax,slip fee,beach access permits,public ramp launch fee, the outragous cost of gas at a marina,
If I'm not mistaken, our state wanted to take a lot of those funds and eliminate a lot of programs they support reciently until gov Romney put an end to it.

striprman - - go back and read PNG's post. read it more than once.

The money would never end up we think it should go and be most effective, rather to some irrelevent government foolishness.

For you to even to consider seriously a SW license makes you either totally uninformed on the facts, or just strirring up the crowd for fun.

I just wanted some opinions and some arguements either for or against. Looks like the against's outnumber the fors.

Striprman....it is not "my buddies" who are against it....can't you read? I AM AGAINST IT FOR ALL OF THE REASONS STATED AND THEN SOME!:af:

"Money for cleaning up polluted areas"? What planet are you from man? I told you I was out all morning cleaning out a herring run which I do every year (BEETLE and Raider Ron were there also). You honestly believe that would change because we pay a saltwater fishing license fee??????? Wake up and smell the coffee for cryin' out loud!

That anchor proposal still stands....let me know if you want in!

Damn!!!!!!!

I think Striperman is realy a freshwater guy and is pissed about having to pay for a freshwater lic.:laughs:

If he is a freshwater guy, then we are in luck because I need an anchor for my 12 foot row boat down in Plymouth.:btu:

from reading his posts probably not much of a fisherman at all.

Originally posted by BEETLE
from reading his posts probably not much of a fisherman at all.

Your right, I'm no great fisherman. Just what makes a good fisherman?

I just paid the following to fish this season;;

$70.00 boat trailer reg

$60.00 boat reg

$20.00 parking sticker ( so I can Park at the ramp)

$30.00 shellfish licence ( for the 2 or 3 times I'll go clamming)

$10.00 for the Herring permit

And you think I should have to pay to fish in saltwater,,, DUH... I think I already do!!!!!

give me hell when I'm done , I don't care.


In Mass what does the fresh water bass fisherman get for $27.50? NADA Have any of you seen the pond and lake ramps, they are pathetic. many are 4x4 or you ain't fishin.Most every freshwater bass fisherman is catch and release while in salt many keep their catch. If they can convince me that the moneys from a salt water licences where going to improve our future then I'm all for it. If you ever fished in other states you know how strict salt water licence are....IMO for a good reseaon.

Freshwater fishermans $27.50 is going to help repare the ramps we use, and that ain't right.

Originally posted by castn4bass
I just paid the following to fish this season;;

$70.00 boat trailer reg

$60.00 boat reg

$20.00 parking sticker ( so I can Park at the ramp)

$30.00 shellfish licence ( for the 2 or 3 times I'll go clamming)

$10.00 for the Herring permit

And you think I should have to pay to fish in saltwater,,, DUH... I think I already do!!!!!
OK, I guess "ramp fees" are kind of like a licence.

Highly migratory species permit $ 22.00, & if I wanna sell some tuna there's the commercial/recreational boat permit $130.00 and how about the EXCISE TAX ( road use tax) that I gotta pay on the boat?

Larry can you say road trip. We both know the area well, nice locations over by Bobs house to dump :smash:

Originally posted by striprman
Your right, I'm no great fisherman. Just what makes a good fisherman? :smash:
dead bass

hey castn4bass.
you can get about 22 cents back on "every gallon" of fuel you pay road tax on.
last year my refund was over 400 bucks for fuel tax.
very easy to do.
mike

Fishinfreak, gonna have to have my tax guy check that out , how do you go about it? What forms? Thanks!

Originally posted by striprman
Your right, I'm no great fisherman. Just what makes a good fisherman?
some one who gets off there internet lazy info seeking ass and goes out abd Buys the bible to study the tides moons for the year and all the info.
some one who goes out Hunting new water and researching there options when Hammer time arrives.
Putting Your time in on the water and hunting fish all friggen night.
figuring out tides for a spot and finding out when it puts out
Takes Years to do that.
Knowing when to hold out for that 1 fish and toss the rest back even if they are 45" long Think Fall
when an old timer talks take the time to listen, They know stuff.

getting a feel for the salt takes Years(intuition)
Being a leader and not a spot s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g follower that will fall flat due to not know what the hell is going on
dragging Your ass out of bed at 4am to be on the sand at sun up at the right time

respecting the water and enviroment and others around You
Think 2 dogs sniffing Butt and then Moving on=respect for space.
No matter how many posts You can put here You aint going to learn #^&#^&#^&#^& if You dont get off Your ass and go look for Your self.
there is more to this than You think.
For the Love of God Shut up and fish

Originally posted by bassmaster
:smash:
dead bass

OK
http://thumbs.villagephotos.com/index.asp?id_=8422357

Originally posted by bassmaster
some one who gets off there internet lazy info seeking ass and goes out abd Buys the bible to study the tides moons for the year and all the info.
some one who goes out Hunting new water and researching there options when Hammer time arrives.
Putting Your time in on the water and hunting fish all friggen night.
figuring out tides for a spot and finding out when it puts out
Takes Years to do that.
Knowing when to hold out for that 1 fish and toss the rest back even if they are 45" long Think Fall
when an old timer talks take the time to listen, They know stuff.

getting a feel for the salt takes Years(intuition)
Being a leader and not a spot s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g follower that will fall flat due to not know what the hell is going on
dragging Your ass out of bed at 4am to be on the sand at sun up at the right time

respecting the water and enviroment and others around You
Think 2 dogs sniffing Butt and then Moving on=respect for space.
No matter how many posts You can put here You aint going to learn #^&#^&#^&#^& if You dont get off Your ass and go look for Your self.
there is more to this than You think.
For the Love of God Shut up and fish
You are a thorn in My ass I give up

That is the longest post I have seen Bassmaster put up since I been on this site!:laugha:

Goose.....I can give you one example of what the fresh water license pays for......stocking the ponds for one! That ain't cheap, twice a year in most spots!:eek: So much for NADA!

Plus, I believe you are generalizing about the catch and release numbers between guys who keep in salt and guys who keep in fresh! I know plenty of guys who keep their catch from fresh water, you must not.:huh: Do you even buy a fresh water license?

Ya gotta love Bassmaster!:btu: Tell it like it is BM!

Man, I pay enough to go outdoors. I haven't bought a freshie ticket this year 'cause I use it 4-5 times and it just ain't worth the nearly 30 bucks. The 5 buck fee that's tagged on for wild land or whattheever isn't paid by hikers, treehuggers, or peta punks. They ride for free on our dime and hijack our fees. I'm not giving them any more dough to run me off the beach. Feel better now, thanks

Well I might be for a Lic if we were going to get something out of it!!!

Here on Cape Cod we are circled by water yet have no access to it!! Will this change?? I think not!! The rich will never let it happen!

Will they fix and build Boat ramps?? I think not!! Were would they put them? And were do we park if they do? They did the hole Woods Hole ramp over!! For who?? You can't park any were!!

Are they going to stock the wild ocean so we catch more fish?? Nope not happening !!

Will the Nantional Sea Shore Like P-Town Turo give us free stickers for the beach?? Nope Not!!

Will the State promise not to take are money into the general fund?? Yea then steal it later like they did the fresh water lic moneys!!!

So lets see what are we getting if we pay this fee in the name of fishing ??

Oh Yea SCREWED!!!!

So stripman take your lic idea and Shove it!!!

Whooops.....:eek: couple more weeks till' fishin'!:happy:

Originally posted by castn4bass
I just paid the following to fish this season;;

$70.00 boat trailer reg

$60.00 boat reg

$20.00 parking sticker ( so I can Park at the ramp)

$30.00 shellfish licence ( for the 2 or 3 times I'll go clamming)

$10.00 for the Herring permit

And you think I should have to pay to fish in saltwater,,, DUH... I think I already do!!!!!

Mike you for got to mention that is for your town resident ramp never mind the other ramps that you are going to use at $5 a pop each time you launch there.

Larry, so much for NADA ??? I'm not aware of any place in mass that large mouth are stocked.

I've been around avid freshwater bass fisherman all my life, my brother is one of them. Because I work with him I gota hear how they get juiced with increased licences and nothing to show for it. IMO what it boils down to is large mouth fisherman are paying to stock trout that alot of them don't even fish. We'll never know the exact numbers but I am well aware that there is a high number of freshwater bass ain't gettin chit.
As far as C R goes, why would fresh water bass fisherman wanna keep their catch? It doesn't make sence and thats why MOST don't....I hear more and more fish over #8 being released even bass that are consideriably bigger and being throw back and having replica's made.

To me this is another reason why Mass is backa$$wards

I think a one-time "ho" tax on Bassmaster's entire plug collection could more than pay for conservation efforts on the striper coast. :hihi:

I better run now, Dave is gonna kill me...

:hidin:

Regardless, stocking (and yes I mean trout, salmon, etc.) is paid for with monies generated by freshie fishing licenses!;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goose

In Mass what does the fresh water bass fisherman get for $27.50? NADA Have any of you seen the pond and lake ramps, they are pathetic.


goose is right, the ramps are terrible in MA. i bet Raider Ron knows, look at lake pearl. the ramp there is basically nonexistent, i don't see how anyone could launch from there

dedicated non-bureacratic fund = I'd seriously think abou it

general fund = time for another boston tea party

hey thats way to inexpensive!!! heck i've got piles of money just laying around getting dusty......so lets make it 200 bucks ..... then ...... you can just drive to the ocean..... and have the fish march two by two right into the back of your car....and it should be inforced.
and we can have those lazy smelly Bass pick up all the GD trash too on their way. we should take prisoner's and make them talk too.:eek:

The way your questions are ALL over the spectrum, I can picture you sitting between your PC and your TV and thinking.....

..."hmmmm.....how else can I pssss these guys off?".....

:laugha: :btu:

I honestly think you should give up fishing and pick up knitting, the cost is less, no licenses needed, the web-sites are alot more like chat-rooms...and lastly -

..knitters love to "stitch and bitch".


:) I know this from experience. I used to be a knitter, now I'm just a bitch :D

Striprman - back to the topic (you sure your last name isn't Coates??). Why should ANOTHER tax be placed on anglers for something that already raises significant tax revenue for the state? YES, SATLWATER FISHING draws so many tourism dollars to the state, DMF should receive MORE state funds to do what you ask. Between tourism, sales tax on fishing gear (not including the federal tax - know about that one?) ...

I could go on but no time right now...

you'll notice that strprman has not responded since last night.
As suspected i think he just likes to stir it up.

Originally posted by BEETLE
you'll notice that strprman has not responded since last night.
As suspected i think he just likes to stir it up.

Do you think that the tourist draw generates more money for the state than a licence would ? I think people would be happy to pay for a licence if they knew the money was being used to make saltwater fishing better for everyone.

Saltwater fishing can't get any better simply by charging $50.00 for a friggin license to fish it! Man, talking to this moron is like bangin' my cranium into the sheetrock!!!!:wall: :wall:

I will play the game!!
How is charging moneys the the Gov. will take into the general fund going to help Salt water fishong??
The Gov has cut funding to just about everthing!! And all the towns are starving!! So they are rasing fees for boat ramps and beach stickers boat reg. ect ect....
So you pay for a salt lic and they take the cash into the general fund and never give that money to the Salt water fishing that you say it will help! So who or what are we paying for??

I think John should make a A$$HOLE like you pay for every stupid dum A$$ Idea you post!! In the name of supporting the board! Then when he has anough (and with people like you that won't take long) Go on a nice big Family vacation never putting the money into the board at all and then see how you feel when you have no were else to go!

That Macojoe is my kind of people!:btu: He gets it!:)

hey,
don't forget knucklehead menino is trying to get $8.00 per foot "slip permits" inside the harbor.
where is this money going to go?

Speech therapy ain't cheap ya know!:laughs: