It appears that soundfishing.com has gone down for good. They had relevant info on Western LI Sound fishing and good people visiting their site. I'm not sure what put the nail in the coffin but one thing was for certain, a handfull of extremely rude people ruined the atmosphere for everyone else.

Roccus e-mailed me a few weeks back about a troubling trend that was happening over there and it was one or two nasty individuals talking such bad trash that would make an old sailor blush. That negative atmosphere turned many away and lack of any moderating by the soundfishing staff (they just were not able to stay online all of the time) seemed to bring an end to that site.

That brings several things to mind:

1st - If anyone that formerly frequented that site would like a LI Sound board open here, I'd be happy to do that. And, yes, there would be moderation available so that really negative talk would not occur here.

2nd - I am always happy with the kind of class and civility that all of you show for this site and each other. Thank you for that as it always impresses the daylights out of me what a great group of people we have here....

Again,

Thanks...

John Redmond

John you would do that for us people stuck on a pond . Eastern end I hope those foul internet users are in thew western end of the sound . Not you Patrick !

Your a hell of a guy John !
thanks Ill let my soundfishing friends know !! ;)
did you notice the hat I wore on the canal/chatham leg .

Its a shame people have to go to those extremes just to see how many people they can get mad . spineless jellyfish with out lives .
that is exactly what probably killed that site . Ill see if I can find out .

this site has alot of good people with whom Ive fished with and those I have met and someday will fish with .

John,
Don't know exactly how to get the word out to the ex-Soundfishing.com guys but I know a bunch of them were hunting for a new site. I see someone tried to start a message board but it appears to have fizzled...nobody posting in over a week.
I get an e-mail now and then from one of the charter skippers who is looking for a relacement site...how about I pass your e-mail address along and maybe the word will spread among the charter guys? They were pretty disgusted with what went on over there before the board finally imploded and I think they'd flock to a reliable new spot. Let me know.

It's the same story everywhere. Free boards where anyone can post have to be tightly moderated, or they turn into flame-fests. Like the old WMI board when anyone bothered reading it. And reel-time.com (remember the legendary bassturd?) before they went to a registration format. Boards that require pre-registration have about a tenth of the problems. As long as a moderator keeps the lid on things, and doesn't try to control content that conflicts with the bottom line---otherwise, what you have is Stripersurf.com

John you do a great job, and your right this site has nice people, All you can do is try/ and that what your doing Hey ENJOY later

John R:
This site not only has some of the most informative and helpful people in the fishing community it is extremely well administered.

Many members have conducted themselves admirably in the way they respond to threads and answer questions. They have, in doing so already showed their respect for this site and the people who visit. I sincerely hope each and every member continues to respect the resources and time it takes to keep a site like this up and running.

It, to say the least would be an absolute shame to see a great site like this face the misfortune of soundfishing.com. We have very few informative sites like this in New England.

My deepest respect and admiration is extended to you for your administration and continuing work on this site.

We at Weekapaug Bait & Tackle are extremely proud to be a sponsor on this wonderful site.

Keep up the marvelous work,
Don M

;D - Thanks guys, appreciate the good word ;D ... And it I enjoy doing this (need to hit PowerBall for several mil and spend more time, hehehe)...

Roccus...

As I have a few potential charter/guides coming on as sponsors it wouldn't be fair to them to have a wide open board (if someone asks for charter info, there is no problem with someone recommending a charter or anyone [except for the x-Marts] even if they are not a sponsor). I'm more offering space to the regular readers that might need a home :P

Since this topic is on the internet. I have mentioned buying stuff on the internet and I have gotten some anonymous emails saying what a sell out I am. Seems since I want to buy stuff from Mike, I've sold out.

My response? Mike has a real shop and he gives me information, just like real life shops nearby so I don't see the difference.

Speaking of websites on a downfall, anyone checking out Noreast.com lately? We are being menaced by a guy named "Flounder". He's already had it out with Mike P. He isn't a very nice guy. I'm getting the feeling that once people are sick of the fights on there, they will be looking for a new site regardless of what happens to the actual site. You might get a lot more new members John!

Patrick, what are you doing up at 2 in the morning?

who cares about noreast? not me

You are a striper fishermen and you're asking why I'm up at 2? Burn this post, it's sacrilege to everything I believe in. ;) Nah, I'm trying to get this night job. I gotta adjust my hours.

I don't really care about Noreast. That's the place where I get to give advice rather than take it. Just saying once people get sick of that place, the only places focusing solely on the Northeast is this site. If you build it, they will come. Some sites have sections for the northeast but it's not the same.

Who the heck is Flounder--wasn't he the fat kid in Animal House? Recipent of one of my favorite movie lines, "You ****** up, you trusted us"? If I had it out with him, it was an eminently forgettable fight.

noreast's big problem---well, one of them, anyway---is too many flounders, not enough John Skinner. There's a bigger problem with the site but I won't go there ;)

Slipknot (07-04-2001 02:49):...who cares about noreast? not me

Gasp! Bruce, I'm wounded to the quick <g>...and here I've been writing a weekly column (Mass Updates) for Noreast all these months, casting my pearly prose to the prevailing winds (too much SE lately) and what appreciation do I get? Oh, the unfairness of it all......

By the way, Gene B. has booked that lure modification story (remember that one? Helped bring peace & harmony to the SO board...<g>) for August so it should be out in the next issue...

From your posts it sounds like you're bringing the Big Ditch to its knees these days. Stop in if you ever make another run up to Beaver and pass by the old hacienda.
Tight lines,
Jerry Vovcsko
moderator
www.capecodfishingnet.com

Oh you'll get over it Jerry :) I guess I could check out some of your monthly articles, I just find that board a little strange.

Looking forward to reading that article.

Yep, I'll stop in sometime my bro lives in E.B. How is the islands fishing these days? Maybe I can get down there once before I sell my boat and go on vacation.

Patrick (07-04-2001 01:57):
Speaking of websites on a downfall, anyone checking out Noreast.com lately? We are being menaced by a guy named "Flounder". He's already had it out with Mike P. He isn't a very nice guy. I'm getting the feeling that once people are sick of the fights on there, they will be looking for a new site regardless of what happens to the actual site.

Patrick,
You ought be a bit more specific, and a lot more accurate in what you say. First of all "We" aren't being menaced by Flounder...it's you that he's upset with and has told you so very directly. He pointed out that what you had to say about "..female stripers sitting on a nest" was absurd and suggested that you post things that you had personal knowledge about rather than simply regurgitate what you heard or read or got from someone else and then pretended was original with you.
As to people being sick of the fights on there (Noreast) I couldn't agree with you more, Patrick, However, the part you neglected to mention is that all too frequently, it's you that has started the fight or jumped into the middle of one that was already under way bringing a metaphorical gallon of gasoline to add to the fire, usually with a posting approximately as rational as some of the ones you made here previously...I refer you to the Great Bluefin adventure, the Dog Run, Gumboots in the sand, Patrick-goes-to-law-school, Patrick builds a yacht, and on and on and on...
It seems that when you finally annoy people to the point that someone jumps down your throat, you then run off to another forum and whine there about your poor treatment.
The problem, Patrick, is that you are burning your bridges, running out of forums that will allow you to post and you do not seem to learn from your mistakes, pointing to others instead and blaming them for mistreating you.
There will likely come a time when you will have acquired some original ideas and you may well have something to offer. Unfortunately, by the time that happens, if you continue down the Patrick-the-Expert path you seemed determined to travel, chances are no one will be willing to take you seriously or listen to what you have to say.
I doubt you will be able to hear what I'm saying to you Patrick, just as you seem oblivious to what others have tried to tell you, but I remain optimistic...

Jerry - It's all been said before... I stopped holding my breath a long time ago...

Patrick (07-04-2001 01:57):
Speaking of websites on a downfall, anyone checking out Noreast.com lately? We are being menaced by a guy named "Flounder". He's already had it out with Mike P. He isn't a very nice guy. I'm getting the feeling that once people are sick of the fights on there, they will be looking for a new site regardless of what happens to the actual site. You might get a lot more new members John!

I don't really care about Noreast. That's the place where I get to give advice rather than take it. Just saying once people get sick of that place, the only places focusing solely on the Northeast is this site. If you build it, they will come.

Pretty brave running to another site to bad mouth a fisherman and a site. Patrick, you need all the advice you can get...

Patrick (07-04-2001 01:57):
Speaking of websites on a downfall, anyone checking out Noreast.com lately? We are being menaced by a guy named "Flounder". He's already had it out with Mike P. He isn't a very nice guy. I'm getting the feeling that once people are sick of the fights on there, they will be looking for a new site regardless of what happens to the actual site. You might get a lot more new members John!

I came to this site to defend myself against an unprovoked assault on my good name. I don't know Mike P., I never "had it out" with him. I have had SEVERAL "differences of opinion" with Patrick, however. It didn't take long for ME to figure him out, so it won't take long for anyone else who cares to. By discrediting me in advance, and characterizing me as "not a nice guy", Patrick is attempting to "poison the well", and make everything I say a subject of scrutiny and ridicule. All I can offer in return is to remind everyone that there are SOME people who cannot stand tall unless they first get a boost by stepping on someone else. I refuse to be a step-stool, and boost an otherwise undeserving individual to heights he could not possibly achieve alone.
MODERATOR: please feel free to delete this clearly retalliatory message, but consider fairness and ask yourself WHO threw the first stone. You should delete BOTH messages IMHO.

Farquar (WTH) & Flounder, welcome to Striped-Bass...

No need for deleting/editing of posts as there was nothing wrong with a little self defense and you certainly have every right to say what you said... We know well how Patrick's need for honey propells him to stick his hand in the beehive from time to time.

Patrick - you don't have a hunting license to go balistic here, OK? Something to keep in mind...

I don't know what's happening over at noreast but here, we don't have too many pi$$ing contests and flame wars, right Patrick? And Roccus - anytime you want to add a weekly column here ;D

Yeah, no need to burn up this board. You have any more future problems with me, deal with me over on Noreast or my mailbox. Preferably the latter. Just not here.

This is a tight knit group.

Thanks for the welcome,
I have been here for a while. flounder is a solid fisherman - and his posts are based in fact ;) Thought that was quite a nice reply by him.

As for your "Red headed step-child" :) well I am sure one day he'll appreciate fellow fishermen. He seems to have adjusted well to this board, of course you guys had to "break him in", thanks :)

Just trying to do the same. Can we get a permanent disclaimer on his post. "Advice given is based on prior fishermen's posts, the author has no original knowledge." kinda reminds me of that comercial "not a Dr. but play one on TV" he should just start out "I'm not a fisherman, but I play one on the net..."

Sorry guys, I have seen him giving advice on reels and rods he has never even used or seen to people just getting started, getting into skirmishes with real owners... kinda stinks for the novices.

I guess we all have to just invite him fishing! That seemed to calm him down on here quite a bit :) very nice tactic.

Gotta great site, I hope flounder comes back over, he has some great knowledge and he is quite diplomatic.

Gotta go, the stripers are nesting here... and we all know what that means - Bluefins are in the surf.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Farquar,
I hope BOTH you and Flounder continue dropping in here. You both bring a lot of savvy to the board, judging from your posts.
I'm considering creating a new verb along the lines of the political usage of Bork, ie, as in "He's been Borked"...what say you all to "he's been Patrick'ed" in reference to anyone who's been subjected to Patrick's "special wisdom" over one thing or another?

Flounder and Farquar---thanks for confirming that I'm not getting a little "tetched" in my dotage. I couldn't remember any fights with either of you. Sometimes people mistake honest disagreement for swapping punches. I'm also not the only "Mike P" on the internet in the NY area, so maybe it was someone else that Patrick saw. MikeP, Mike P and Mike_P will all be different people to a computer. I haven't posted on noreast in at least 6 weeks, unless I forgot one or two. I wish Skinner would take a more active role on the surf forum, but that's his call. I've never met him, just swapped some e-mails from time to time, but a guy whose opinion I trust says he's a good fisherman, and even more important, a hell of a nice guy.

Yes, it was a mistake. Mike got into it with some other guy.

Thanks again Roccus...

I think everyone did a search Mike P. Don't waste your time... :)

As for me I gotta boat to build, How do you guys feel about not installing a wheel? I mean seems to me it is pretty simple Throttle forward, you go forward; throttle back you, go back :-D

lmao at farquar . wink wink nudge nudge !
tell flounder to just ignore those that are full of it and enjoy the board for what john has made it and welcome to both of you .

I keep inviting him to get out fishing but something always comes up or I think his folks are afraid that he may never return. After all, so many people just have it in for him. We've offered protection for him but I guess that's not enough, need a saltwater WPP or something...

To Flounder and farquar....

I have to agree with Patrick when he wrote "we are a tight knit group"!!!!! (about the only thing I have agreed with him on BTW)

and that is why we tolerate what we do....John seems (in my mind anyway) todo just fine letting people post what they want without much hassle....only has he got rid of posts when they have been down right trashy. When it comes to things that are "uncalled for" they seem to stay, and needless to say if someone is being bashed, usually the rest of us take a stand and most of the time the offender simply bows down to the group (no much of a choice really :) heehee )

I have never seen a new member not welcomed here nor have I seen someone "from another board" be dissed because some else suggested they should be.......I think we are all fair in our judgements of each other, it is just too bad some people take advantage of this!!

We are all here for the love of fishing... and have a lot of fun too. There is a wide range of personalities, expirience, and styles here....that is what makes it fun, but also what causes conflicts too. Whether we decide to learn from others and be open minded to this diversity is what makes all the difference in the end!!!!!

Jenn (07-10-2001 19:45):
To Flounder and farquar....

We are all here for the love of fishing... and have a lot of fun too. There is a wide range of personalities, expirience, and styles here....that is what makes it fun, but also what causes conflicts too. Whether we decide to learn from others and be open minded to this diversity is what makes all the difference in the end!!!!!

Now that sounds like a plan. :)

(I do agree with Roccus's idea though :-D )

Have a great night all and thanks for the warm welcome.

[b]farquar (07-10-2001 20:44
(I do agree with Roccus's idea though )
Have a great night all and thanks for the warm welcome.
As my Aussie friends would say, "No worries, mate" ;) ;D

Welcome to the new members. Both Farquar and Flounder seem well spoken and I hope they come over and talk fishing with us. This site has good hearted people who like to fish. If you fit that description , you are welcome here. Pretty simple.

If you know me or John , you should know that nobody will be censored needlessly but nobody will cause too much real trouble here either. Thats simple too.

We dont have an ax to grind with any other boards. Everybody comes in with a clean slate and can make what they want of the oppurtunity to participate here. Its all real simple.

Why is everything so simple here? Thats simple too. This site has good hearted people who like to fish! But I already said that. :)

Saltheart, Roccus, and John...THANKS for the warm welcome. It felt as good as a cup of coffee at dawn. Glad to be aboard! I'm a bit South for the area covered here, but I guess you have members even further away ...did you hear about the two guys Fluke fishing who caught a species unknown to either of them? They brought it to the local B&T for identification, and the guy behind the counter weighed their 16 pound Weakfish!
(Figures)

16 Pound Weakie? Damn, I want one of those but I haven't gotten one yet this year >(


Flounder & Farquar - you guys are certainly welcome here... So what do you guys do, shore or boat? and how far south are you (I'd like this site to cover the mouth of the Hudson and up, Yankee fans excluded of course, hehehehe)...

Well looks like I just make your cut off at the mouth of the Hudson. I fish the surf from Joisey though (am I still welcome :) ). Been hopin' to make it up North (how do I say that Nath'? ;) ) though, like to be in the waters up there.

Welcome or not, I am staying :-D . Picked up a lot of tips while lurkin' about and I ain't about to leave :) .
Though I have been fishing the waves for a while, I am always pickin' up new info. (hmmm, did the intended audience hear that ;) )
So forgive me if I am not chirpin' in on a lot of topics, I'm here to learn. (see above paranthetical)

No prob Farq... South of the Hudson is not an exclusion zone (or a bad thing for that matter :o ), just not the focus of this site. There are more than a few from Joisey and south that crusie by here for time to time...(Yer not a Yankee fan though are you? Go Sox)

...and it's NOTH or nauth. If you were from Baltmore, I imagine it would be noorth (I spent too much time down theyah)...

As far as learning? I never stop either - I've picked up so much stuff I'd like to try but don't even bother as there is just not enough time.

I used to make that "mouth of the Hudson" description when I lived in Manhattan. But I don't get back there very often. Over 50% of my fishing is now in Little Neck, or in Manhasset Bay. Incidentally, that 16# weakie was weighed at R&G B&T and was caught by two rookies fishing Matinecock Point for Fluke. I see you are a stickler for pronunciation, so I wonder if you could tell me the correct way to pronounce "Squetauge"? Is it "squee-tog" or is it "squet-ogg"? Now I'm not particularly a fan of spectator sports, but my DAUGHTER is a diehard Yankee fan. You must admit they are the finest team that money could buy. Red Sox? Wasn't the last time they won a series in 1918 or something? In NYC, we have an underdog team as well, the METS.
(Those in the know, know this stands for "My Entire Team Stinks", or something like that)

Here's a piece of trivia for you ...who was George O'Brian?

Flounder (07-11-2001 15:28):
(Those in the know, know this stands for "My Entire Team Stinks", or something like that)

ROTFL!!!

Ain't it the truth! They're the once-in-ten-years team, maybe. Even Haliey's Comet is more certain than the METS. ;P

hehehhe...

& BTW - it's pronounced skeet, or just plain old weaks...

I will give ole George one thing, when he buys a team at least the team stays bought and he doesn't dismantle it like when Huyzinge (sp?) did it to the Marlins many moons ago.

The Sox are a little more than overdue, curse of the Bambino as it's called up heeah... BillyB - at least that was a gift to the stinkers :o ...

Jaiem, doesn't Haley's come around every 80 years or so? The MEts could have 7 or 8 by then...

I'm still not clear ...is it "Skee-tog" or "Skee-teeg". You ignored the George O'Brian question! Is the only one who knows that name from "Noo Yawk"? (Lawn Guyland, actually).

I have no idea about George O'brian. He certainly aint Boston Irish - that would be O'BriEn... It's spelled "Squeteauge" and pronounced Sket-Teeg So who the hell is George O'briAn? (I tried thinking after the coffee kicked in - no dice)

John R (07-11-2001 16:09):
Jaiem, doesn't Haley's come around every 80 years or so? The MEts could have 7 or 8 by then...

Yea, I suppose by then just by the Law of Averages the METS would have won a few. ;)

Now, now guys. Be nice, I am a Mets fan, having lived in Jersey for 23 years. Having a father who was raised in Lowell and his family obviously Yankee haters, he had to rout for the Mets in NY area and it just got passed along to me. Been with them through the good and bad, any even when they are bad, they always find a way to make the game exciting. Sure had a whole lot of fun with the guys at work back in 1986. :P

Haley's comet came in 1910, and the Sox had a couple Series titles in the early part of the cycle. But, it came back in 1986 (sorry, I know that year has bad karma), and we're what, 15 years into its next cycle? Law of averages aside, on a pro-rated basis, the Manilla Folders have bageled an entire Haley cycle. But look at the bright side, Haley's will be back in 2062 ;) If I live to be 109, maybe I'll get a chance to see a Series banner flying over Fenway, which I'll bet will still be their home that year.

I think it's "skwet-teeg". Occasionally "skwet-taig". Sorta like "kwahahg" or "cohawg" depending on whether in Rhody or Green Hahbah.