this guy makes me sad to be an alumni of u mass

http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/28/408f27f0591be?in_archive=1

i am tired of all the bleeding hearts crying about the war, i am not happy we are losing kids in iraq and afghanistan but to call Tillman a PENDEJO (idiot) for giving up his multi million dollar foot ball career to go and fight for the safety of us all is insanity..

i am trying to locate this morons e mail address and when i do i will post it.. i was outraged to read what this pseudo member of the said about tillman. and now gonzalez has the nerve to say its his first ammendment right to say as he pleases.. He will never say anything about the people that have fought and died to give him that right..

utter lunacy.. this guy makes me sick.

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IT APPEARS THAT THIS NUT JOB HAS A WEBSITE.. WITH HIS PICTURE... ISN'T THAT KIND OF ADVERTISING TO SOME OTHER NUTCASE TO TAKE HIM OUT???

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~jbcp/rene.html

AND ANOTHER

http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/stunt/187/index.html


AND HERE IS HIS E MAIL..

I SAY FILL UP HIS BOX

WHAT A NITWIT..

rene@student.umass.edu or renegonzalez7@hotmail.com

TELL HIM THAT ITS NOT WISE TO BE SO FULL OF HIMSELF THAT
HE FORGETS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WHERE HE IS TODAY..

MOFO, this prick is dead. Pat Tillman was a football player who died for a GREATER cause. He is truly an American. It's ironic that this writer, Rene Gonaglaz is living in America. If he is a graduated student at UMASS Amherest, which it indicates that he is enjoying his stay in the states, but yet he disrespects a dead person. I mean what does he know about Pat? Like amesbury says, this is a utter lunacy.

Send that %$%$%$%$%$%$g jerk back to Puerto Rico. he is a piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& who is probably up here on some free ride disadvantaged scholarship. %$%$%$%$%$%$' no good piece of #^&#^&#^&#^&. :af: :rocketem: :nailem:

I heard about this on WEEI radio this morning on the drive to work. As a fellow UMass alumnus, I share your sentiments. After reading the entire text it actually sounds worse that Dennis & Callahan made it out to be.

However, we do need to recognize that it is, in fact, the first amendment that gives him the right to say this. You know - "I will disagree with what you have to say, but defend to the death your right to say it" (something like that). It is ironic that the very freedoms that our Constitution and Bill of Rights guarentee (such as Gonzalez's piece) are the kind of things that Taliban and Saddam loyalists oppose. Pat Tillman was not "defending the East coast from an invasion", but he was fighting for the security of this country and in essence, the freedoms, rights and open society that we (including Gonzalez) enjoy.

So if you do get his e-mail address, ask him how long he thinks he would remain alive if he wrote a similar piece about the Taliban or or Bath party if he lived over there. I'd love to hear his answer.

how can someone ridicule a fallen soldier, especially one who gave up so much to serve the country he loves. she/he can go straight to hell

just becasue it is a "right" don't make right

Originally posted by bart
just becasue it is a "right" don't make right

But we do have a right to hate him though...;)

no doubt

Advice for Mr. Gonzalez...

"It's better to be thought a fool... than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"...

What a bonehead!...

But then again, we live in "liberal" New England...

When are we going to unite stand up against this kind of crap?... :af:

I heard about this assrag this morning on WAAF on the ride in. They said his name is Rene Gonzales. They are looking for a picture of him to post on their website.

I agree with Flaptail. He probably is here on our dime:af: :mad:

I POSTED BOTH OF HIS WEBSITES. AND HIS SCHOOL AND PRIVATE E MAIL ADDRESSES..

THIS KID IS A NITWIT..

He's definitely not an American, so why not send him home?...

At least until Puerto Rico achieves the status of Statehood and begins to contribute something toward this country instead of s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g from our resources!

Then, we can bury him here!

Nice to know everybody over there is fighting so this POS can talk about them freely.

Saw his pic and my sister could probably kick the crap out of him. There's no Shortage of A-holes in this world thats for sure.

Originally posted by Bliz
He's definitely not an American, so why not send him home?...

We Can't sent him home...

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There ain't no room in hell for him...

The First Amendment gives this punk the right to say whatever he wants without the government doing anything to penalize him.

The First Amendment doesn't apply in the "court of public opinion". It doesn't shield you from getting e-mail heat as a consequence of offering a stew-pid opinion.

Just remember, guys--your First Amendment rights don't allow you to threaten or otherwise harass someone ;) Calling him a misguided idiot is one thing, threatening to come up to Amherst and beat his brains in is another.

BTW---isn't "jack-ass grad student at UMass" just chock-full of redundancies? :p :laughs:

He has insulted the millions that have given up their lives in our short history to provide him rights he takes advantage of. He has insulted the mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters of those that have given their lives. He has insulted the millions that were somehow casualted in serving to protect the rights he takes advantage of. He has insulted the millions upon millions that have severed to protect the freedoms he apparently was not even born with, yet he still takes advantage of.

This guy is lower than the bacteria in snail excrement :af:

Picture of the SCUM-BAG

Boy, I wouldn't want to be him right now... :eek:

I'm a UMass Amherst grad too (1988) and a former DJ at the campus radio station WMUA.

We don't have to like what the kid wrote, but he does have the right to speak his mind. The very rights Tillman and others have given the ultimate sacrifice to preserve.

The Daily Collegian has an update in their latest edition:

http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/29/4090744e398cd

I have traveled extensivley through Puerto Rico and I'm sure none of the 4 million residents would want him back.

I think all the traffic are overloading that server.
this is what I get trying your link gf2020
http://media.dailycollegian.com/hightraffic.html

thats on boston.com now.. and i guess the site for umass is overloaded now because the story was on espn earlier today..

we don't have to like what he said, but i honestly feel that he could have expressed his displeasure with the war in other ways than trashing a guy who made the ultimate sacrifice..


something tells me that the picture above is going to end up on a milk carton some day..

I'll probably be crusified for this but....

I agree that this kid could have said his two cents in a more respectful tone. However, his message is perfectly valid, and he is not the only American that harbors those feelings. Is someone automatically a hero because they volunteered to go fight in Afghanistan and died in the process? What was the heroic act that we are honoring? I imagine the act is dying for our country, and that should always be respected, but this guy went looking for a fight, and I wouldn't exactly describe his death as a tragedy. He enlisted in one of the most combat exposed units, the Rangers, to go fight with guns in Afghanistan which should make his death less of a surprise. Also, he volunteered for this duty knowing exactly what he was getting himself into. In other words, this guy isn't a run into a burning building to save a bunch of kids type of hero; he's a fallen soldier. He should be honored, but being classified a hero is definitely a matter of debate.

And the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan protect and forward our freedom in almost no way. His freedom of speech will never be impacted by what is going on across the ocean.

He's a hero, not for getting killed in a war, But for what he put 1st . I think he was classified a hero when he gave up his life and career here to fight for what he believed was right. Not when his life ended. In a day when the world seems to worship the spoiled and talented. this guy, as anonomously as he could, gave it all up to be with his brother and do what HE, not the rest of the world, thought was right.

I agree, we throw the term "hero" around a lot. But I'd rather see my son use it in Tilman's or any other soldier's case than in Michael Jordan's or any other athletes case.

We use it, and Rightfully so, to describe anyone serving over there right now. Are we supposed to NOT use it for Tilman because he was famous. Everybody over there volunteered, not just him. And I've heard everybody on this site as well as everywhere else call them heros, and they are.

Tilman had what a lot of people don't and that is integrity. That U-Mass kid should be bitch-slapped for ever calling that into question.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider every soldier over there a hero as it is simply not the case. The term is thrown around way too much these days.

Also, to say Tillman acted completely selflessly in this case is not the truth. He left his wife immediately after their honeymoon to go serve by choice. He chose to subject her to his possible death. That is selfish in my opinion. Alas, it shows that idealism can be more of draw than fame and money, and that following your ideals does not make one a hero.

Well then I guess I'm just going to have to cross Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and Nelson Mandala off my list of heros. They never ran into a burning building to save someone...they just followed their Ideals.

And as far as the "left his wife" analogy. With that logic are you saying that a lot of the married Firefighters and Police officers that "Chose" to do that for a living are selfish just because they aren't considering there wives and families when they enter a burning building or respond to an armed robbery.

I agree that we throw the term around WAY to much. But I don't have any problem throwing it in their direction as opposed to some of the other places we use it.

As a bunch of people here (BF, BW etc) know my political views, and while I am against the whole war in Iraq, but, going into Afganastan to get rid of Al Quieda, well for that (hopefully) the world may be a bit safer...

I respect what our armed forces do, and respect what Tillman did, and what all the other soldiers that have died for, even if I disagree with the war...

As I have said all along, I support our troops coming home safely, but I most definetly dont support the war...

Originally posted by Don Corleone
I'm sorry, but I don't consider every soldier over there a hero as it is simply not the case. The term is thrown around way too much these days.

Also, to say Tillman acted completely selflessly in this case is not the truth. He left his wife immediately after their honeymoon to go serve by choice. He chose to subject her to his possible death. That is selfish in my opinion. Alas, it shows that idealism can be more of draw than fame and money, and that following your ideals does not make one a hero.

I don't know about the term hero being thrown around too much these days but I do know that Tillman was far from selfish, you are way off base with that comment. What he did shows character, patriotism and moral fortitude to risk his own life to help rid the world of terrorists. I bet he gave it alot of thought before actually signing up for duty with the Rangers. If someone feels compelled strongly to do something they believe in, it has nothing to do with selfishness. He gave up a helluva alot to go to war. I'm sure he went with blessings from his wife.

I don't know what you know about the Army Rangers, but my brother was a Ranger for 4 years so I know a few things about it. Pat Tillman may have had the physical and mental capabilities to be an Army Ranger and he wanted to serve with his brother and made it happen. People die everyday, you never know when something may happen, I think Pat Tillman wanted to make a difference while he had the chance. Nobody over there fighting deserves to die.

That scumbag that wrote it in those words will get what he deserves someday too:af:

Ya know something else, I didn't hear anyone on Dennis and Callahan say this, but I compare what this little insignificant piece of human waste said to the way hate was directed at the Vietnam vets upon returning home from war after serving their country, just because someone is against a war doesn't mean you should take it out on the soldiers.

Ted Kennedy must be proud of this scum bag.:af:

what is it with Umass students.....

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=63

They still have ROTC out there? If so maybe THEY should talk to this deep-thinker.:af:

I think it is tragic that Tillman was killed. I also feel the comment the "reporter" made was in poor taste.

However, all the publicity Tillman is getting is pizzing me off! What about all the other soldiers that have been killed / injured? What makes Tillman better than them? A lot of others have given up careers, money, ... to join the service.

I feel worse or the families and friends of others that have been killed as this hype about Tillman makes him seem more important than the others.

But, that's just my .02.

Originally posted by MtnBrz1
However, all the publicity Tillman is getting is pizzing me off! What about all the other soldiers that have been killed / injured? What makes Tillman better than them? A lot of others have given up careers, money, ... to join the service.

I feel worse or the families and friends of others that have been killed as this hype about Tillman makes him seem more important than the others.

But, that's just my .02.

Nothing makes him worse or better than the others that have given their lives serving for their country. Perhaps the 2 major differences that make him more newsworthy are: a) - Tillman didn't NEED to enlist in the Army. He chose to do so (on top of that, he could have even taken his degreed 3.8GPA butt to OCS and become an officer but he chose to serve as a warrior at the sharp end of the spear). b) His story is something unusual in this day and age when compared to other professional athletes. We, as a country, probably (and wrongly too) spend more time worshipping athletes than those that enlist in out military.

So I personally don't grieve any less for anyone that loses their life in the service of our country, whether it be someone that dies in a training accident, RPG, or when it's a pro football player that dies in combat operations. They are all, equally, persons deserving of honor from us citizens they worked to protect.

It doesn't make a difference to me if they needed the job the Army could give them or someone like Tillman, who answered a call his fathers and grandfathers answered as well.

Originally posted by JohnR
So I personally don't grieve any less for anyone that loses their life in the service of our country, whether it be someone that dies in a training accident, RPG, or when it's a pro football player that dies in combat operations. They are all, equally, persons deserving of honor from us citizens they worked to protect.

Exactly the point I was trying to get across!