Is it me or are the gas prices jumping 2-3 cents a day now? I just filled up on Sunday and the price was $1.91, today it was $1.97....:af:

What grade? Paid 1.73 for regular yesterday, in Eastham.

Gas prices in Brockton are at around 1.87 and they're hurting me where it hurts the most, in my wallet!

everything in the country that gets delivered will go up!! :af: :af: :af:

I wonder how high they are going to get, it's only the first week of May and we are about to break $2.00 a gallon for 87-octane. Sure makes my wife's 40-mpg Corolla look awfully tempting...LOL

I paid 2.23 at the street pump fopr 87 octane 3 days ago. But I have no place to drive to so a fill up lasts me 6 weeks. I bet we see 3 bucks at the dockside pump this summer.

I think it was the wrong time to by a Suburban 40 gal tank $75/tank. I should have milked another year out of the Jetta.:( :( :(

$1.91 for 87 at the local station. Some higher, this sucks...

this does suck:( Keep your cars propery tuned up and watch your tire pressure!!!

I'm glad I didn't trade in my 1994 GMC Jimmy for a fullsize blazer, that woulda hurt me bad in da pocket...

The old infamous Blue Volvo.....30 MPG.....:p

Stop and Shop went from $1.75 last week to $1.85 today....:eek:

I did see $1.69 in Middleboro earlier today, and there's a place in Norwood that is $1.65..........at least it was two days ago.......

Short of that........Shop the places that have "X" cents off on this day and that.......

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wait to you hit the marina ouucccccchhhhhhhhhhhh!:eek:

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they will be going up next week
the cost at the tanks is way up

$1.89 all over the place here today!! 30 gal tank in my Blazer and I get 14 to 15 mpg.
Just added another 25 gal gas tank to the boat!! :eek: Now its going to cost me!!

I saw $2.07 here in Wakefield RI this morning, however another station had it for $1.93 these are 87 octane prives :(

2.08 in Cumberland what the heck is going on? Every week it is rising anywhere from .05 to .10 cents.

....and yet I don't see a HUGE outcry in the press over this issue.....could it be becuase both Bush and Cheney are old oil money guys.....?? :-(

How come no one is screaming from the highest mountain to get the gov't to step in here and curb these darn prices...??

I don't think Bush has anything to do with the rising fuel costs, it would be political suicide. All the instability in the world are all contributing factors. The Middle East seems to be a ticking time bomb unable to shake their extreme Muslim terrorist factions. Venezuela has been in political chaos and near Civil War for months now. The above coupled with the increase in demand worldwide is causing the market price to rise per barrel. After that happens it is a trickle down effect to you and me . The one thing that the States and Feds could do is to ease up on the taxes a bit.

IT IS TIME TO DRILL IN ALASKA!!! THIS IS OUTTA CONTROL

is looking good for this summer.

Well guys as some of you know , I am driving a road truck.
(big sleeper, fridge, microwav oven and the like.)
Fuel prices have gone from an av 1.45 to 1.69...if you do the math , with my truck holding 300 gals you get an idea what I pay for a fill up.. truck gets 6 to 7 MPG 65 mph loaded light
(20000lbs of freight) to 75MPH loaded heavy (45000lbs of freight).

I am now charging a fuel surcharge for loads comming up home as the fuel cost is higher and I got to replace what I have burned up getting here..

I need another type of work. Gone to much cost to much
and I have fished two times this year. One time on the Gulf Coast (mobile AL, and South Jursy). damn just got a call, gota go.....


/ al

It's time for massive amounts of money to develop alternative fuels and power systems so we don't need to play cutsie pie with OPEC and the middle east for their oil. Get out from under their thumb...

My guess is that the technologies are already developed....Its now time to incorporate them into the autos.

What ever happened to Hydrogen Fuel Cells, I have been hearing about that one for years? Is this something that is being worked on?

Fuel cells are being worked on and are becoming acceptable products - just still in their early stages...

Even the hybrid drives that are running now are a step in the right direction. A lot of the problems are even battery technology in more conventional approaches to more efficient power plants.

Filled my truck last wednesday for $1.81. Got gas this morning and it was $1.99. This bites....:af:

Maybe its me but shouldn*t we be buying Iraq oil now that we dont have an embargo on it to help rebuild the country instead of just giving them the money????

Unfortunately because of the delicate nature of the situation we can't touch a drop of their oil until there government is in place. If we do it will look like we invaded their country for their oil.

Hopefully there will be a nice price break in the future for us on iraqi oil.....but you never know

$2.09 here in town this morning, how long until we hit $2.50 a gallon for 87 octane?

the mobil stations on the corner of 138 and rt 1 and in narragansett are 2.13 :(

Originally posted by 179
$2.09 here in town this morning, how long until we hit $2.50 a gallon for 87 octane?

There are stations in my neck of the woods that are already at $2.25. 10 days until Memorial Day weekend :af:

$40 bucks to fill my s-10 up yesterday:af: . Friggin bush and cheney!!!

Go get a gas card with rebates; shell has a deal for first year, get 10% off, for the first year, no fee's; with 10% off 2.00 = 1.80 a gallon... helps a little

"$40 bucks to fill my s-10 up yesterday . Friggin bush and cheney!!!"

Oh yes another blame Bush subject :smash:

Has nothing to do with the fact that they both have huge investments in oil , and bush's family has very close ties with the saudi royal family. Im sure there not cashing in.

"Has nothing to do with the fact that they both have huge investments in oil , and bush's family has very close ties with the saudi royal family. Im sure there not cashing in."

Not even worth a response!

Originally posted by cheferson
Has nothing to do with the fact that they both have huge investments in oil , and bush's family has very close ties with the saudi royal family. Im sure there not cashing in.

Um, how 'bout supply and demand?

Supply: OPEC is a cartel, they're limiting daily production. What do Bush and Cheney have to do with this? High energy prices HURT Bush's re-election prospects! (consumers get pissed off and you endanger the economic recovery) I don't think Bush and Cheney want high prices.

Supply part deux: Different states have different clean air and emission laws. Different states thus have different clean gas formulations. More different formulations = it costs more to make customized gas. Therefore, gas cost is increased.

Supply part trois: Your federal and state gov't tax the chit out of gas. What is it per gallon in your state?

Demand: India and China are guzzling a lot more product than they used to.

Demand part deux: Seasonally, demand for gas goes up during the summer season - we're all out driving to get to our fishing spots.

Less supply, more demand = prices going up.

Take a minute to think about what you are saying.

Info Note. Taxes on gasoline:


Fed Tax Rate $ .18 per gallon
RI Tax Rate $ .31 per gallon (highest rate in the country )

Maybe we should be asking the RI House and Senate members why they think they are entitled to .31 cents per gallon of fuel?:mad:

fishweewee- great informative post.

Frrrrrrrrrt! Gas stinks!

I was griping about it to my old man the other day and his years of age and wisdom helped me to see things in a little better light.
Gas is $2.00 a GALLON.
Think about it.
First, someone has to find the oil. Then they have to get it out of the ground. Then they have to transport it to a refinery. The oil is refined many times to get the end result of gasoline. It is then passed through countless wholesellers, transported to the local dealer, and utlimately ends up in our tanks.
I told him it was still out of control.
He then proceeded to pick up a 2 LITER bottle of Pepsi from behind the kitchen door and said, " You see this hear, it is nothing more than sugar and water, yet it costs over a dollar for 2 LITERS!!! And all you can do is drink it."
Lesson learned.
But I'll still piss and moan about it, especially with a 30 gallon tank in the truck.

If you don't like the price of gas now HOPE PRAY AND VOTE so that Kerry does not get in office with his proposed 50 cent a galon tax increase.:af: :af: :af:

most wont think twice about laying down $3.00 at a bar for a bottle of beer how come nobody complains about that give up 10 beers whala tank full of gas or coffee for that matter $2.19 for a large regular most drink it every day $2.19 x 7 whala 1/2 tank of gas:D

Mike, much as I'd like to, I don't think most people drink twenty-plus gallons of beer every week. :hihi:

Howz bout this. $ 2.65 a gallon to get gas for boat on the water at local marina.

Wait a minute...I thought one of the reasons we started Gulf War II was that Saddam was threatening to destabilize the region (read: disrupt the flow of oil) from our "allies" Saudi Arabia, the Emerates, Kuwait, etc. Nice little "thank you" from them for saving their a$$es, eh??

All we need to do is
A) Build more refinerys
B) Drill in Alaska...
C) Help the russians pump their oil (they have gobs of oil and little technology to pump/refine it)
D) Stop buying all mid-east oil.

That will hold us for 200 years easy..

Then we could "offer" to buy gas from the middle east for 10 bucks a barrel (or whatever we want to pay. Think about it, oil is ALL they have and WE are the largest consumer. If we stop buying they will starve. We could re-nego. all the leases the way WE want.

Also, I think it would be good for the world for us to pull out of buying oil for a few years, after all all this oil money is funding terror anyway.

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You also have to remember......I was in Germany 10 years ago for a few days, and they were paying the equivilant of $2 a LITER back then.....yeah sure, also had mostly to do with the tax, but I don't think we should whine too much (other than whining about the tax)......

I also remember back around 1978, during the "gas crisis", waiting on line for hours to get your allocation of 5 gallons on odd/even days dependant on your license plate, between the hours of 2 and 5 PM........and everyone beatched and moaned that the price went up to $0.65........funny, you could buy a loaf of bread back then for 3 for $1 (I know, I used to stock them on the shelves at the Super).....today, try to get a loaf of bread for less than $1.59.....and that would be the "store" brand.....a five fold increase at minimum.....so if gas did the same thing, it would be about $3.50 a gallon......

So yeah, $2 a gallon sucks, but ya gotta think of it in perspective....

I kind of look at it differently. We've made great strides in technology in the way we refine fuel. One would think this increase in efficiency would be carried down to the consumer.

Here is a simple example: Looking back, VCR's cost a few hundred bucks back in the day but you can now buy them for $59 in Walmart. Why? We've gotten more efficient in manufacturing (not to mention overseas manufacturing but that is a whole different issue).

Has the cost of refining fuel really sky rocketed in proportion to the increases we see at the pump today? I don't think so…..someone is giving us the hot poker here!

There is a article in National Geographic this month. It basically says prices will not go down.

Originally posted by NJTackle


Has the cost of refining fuel really sky rocketed in proportion to the increases we see at the pump today?

Um, probably not if they could do it the "old way"......but you have to remember, refining oil today is a lot different than it was 20 years ago.....one you can thank the wonderful :rolleyes: government for.....aside from the gasoline producers having to meet this regulation, and that regulation, and the other regulation (which all differ state to state) to provide a "cleaner" product for cars to burn, they also have to produce it in accordance with the Clean Air Act, meaning different techniques and equipment such that they don't "pollute" the air in manufacture.

Not that is necessarily a bad thing, but it does contribute to the cost, and unfortunately, the Clean Air Act puts many un-necessary burdens, that actually do very little to achieve the goal, on the refineries. Meanwhile, there are better and cheaper ways to make fuel and still keep the air clean, but the government has not "mandated" them, and so, money is wasted, and the cost passed along to us.

In addition, distillation columns consume fuel to make fuel, so as the price of energy, in general, rises, so does the cost of producing it......

All good points Steve. ;)

I remember seeing a show on Modern Marvels (great show by the way) about fuel refineries and how they came about and changed over the years.

Years ago, crude oil was first refined for kerosene for lanterns and such. From what I remember, one of the byproducts was gasoline which was nuisance to dispose of since it had no use. Back then there was no law or EPA to govern the disposal of this byproduct. So, it was commonly dumped in streams and rivers. Imagine….gasoline simply dumped in the waters we fish and drink from today.

Anyhow….I guess my point is you are right that things have changed over the years and the rules and regulations around how fuel is refined and used have changed……for the better I hope.

Personally, I believe the auto manufacturers and oil refineries work closely together to meet new EPA regulations. Auto manufacturers build cars to meet today's requirements with cost as their primary concern, not how clean burning or how efficient (MPG) it is. I believe we have the technology to build cars that get MUCH better gas mileage then what we have today. Example: An early 70's Datsun pickup truck got somewhere around 28 mpg. A similar truck today gets about the same or worse MPG. ???? HOW is this possible? How can what basically was a tin can with holes drilled out for a carburetor equal or exceed today's latest computer controlled fuel injected engines? It just blows my mind that some trucks are getting worse or equivalent MPG today then what was offered years ago. Granted, we added some weight, HP and pollution control devices to our auto's today but still…..

I owned a 87 or so Honda Civic HF which if babied easily broke 50 mpg. That was over 15 years ago!!! Show me one gasoline Honda today that exceeds 50 mpg!!!

What about diesel? Diesel is cheaper to refine and has approximately 17% more energy by volume then gasoline. Why aren't we seeing more highly efficient diesel engines? My guess is because they are costly to manufacturer and usually last years longer then gasoline engines.

Another example….I owned a 2003 Jetta TDI diesel. It was rated for 49 mpg. I got around 46 - 48 depending on how fast I drove. Back in the 80's, I had a friend who had a diesel Rabbit. I think he got around 40 or so mpg. Not that big of a jump for almost 20 years.

I believe the technology is here today to build a 100mpg+ auto/truck BUT will not because 1)EPA hasn't required them to 2) simpler cars equal cheaper cars equal more sales equal greater profit & 3) the fuel companies wouldn't know what to do with all their surplus fuel if consumption would decrease significantly. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry. No way they're going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Just my 2 cents……

Originally posted by 179
I wonder how high they are going to get, it's only the first week of May and we are about to break $2.00 a gallon for 87-octane. Sure makes my wife's 40-mpg Corolla look awfully tempting...LOL

i agree, makes me feel better about driving a focus

I dont see bush promoting hybrid cars. Coulda ended homelessness and made a super effecient engine with all the money and lives they have been dumping in Iraq. " He tried to kill my daddy" George bush. Bush would make less money from his oil investments if cars were more efficient no? Cheney's cronies at his old corp that he was the ceo of arent cashing in in iraq now either.

At the end of the day, it's the auto companies that have to design more fuel efficient cars.

But before that, consumers have to start demanding them.

Perhaps today's high gas prices and all the geopolitical unpleasantness associated with oil (wars, terrorism, etc) will be the catalyst to get consumers to buy hybrid products.

That's an awful lot to expect one person - our President - to accomplish in four years.

I think the auto manufacturers are going the exact opposite way they are developing bigger faster higher horsepower vehicles, why because this is what the public wants.

It's always a problem when the facts get in the way.

Steve - I can't come close to debating the process involved in refining fuels but I can honestly say that the Clean Air Act (and a less hobbled EPA - they are hobbled a lot by the current administration) are GOOD things.

If there was no clean air act, we'd be choking on cheaper gas. This country was responsible for so much toxic output into the air, into streams and rivers, into soil, and into the ground water. If there was no EPA, would big business and small business police themselves in the best interests of out quality of life? Do you really think that government has screwed us with the EPA and Clean Air? Or the PCBs in the rivers, the glycol in the streams, the toxins in the air? If anything, the government has screwed us on the RELAXING by this administration of these rules. I wish I had a link but I was reading recently that in Maine they recently started using the same formulation of gas for cars that Mass, RI, Cali, and others use because it burns just a bit cleaner. They then extrapolated the amount of rudeced toxins in the air and credited that reduction against some plants in Maine so those plants could burn just that bit more dirty. So the CONSUMER is essentially paying for the processor to not pay and we haven't actually achieved any improved cleanliness. So in my opinion, EPA and the latest revisions of Clean Air don't go FAR ENOUGH.

Maybe I didn't read your post right, but where are they putting unneccesary burdens and what alternative methods would work better and what reasons (including cost) are stopping this??



Nuclear Fuel :btu:

WeeWee - I'd love to buy a hybrid, if they make them in V8 power class, 7K towing, OverSand capable and RELIABLE, I would pay a premium for that capability.

Hmmmm, how about direct injection 2 stroke technology for cars :hihi:

2006 John and Toyota will have all you want and more.

By the way, I'm 110% for cleaner air and reduced reliance on foreign fuel (to hell with the Middle East).

How we get to that point is not going to be via gov't edict.

Technological advancement, corporate return on investment and consumer demand all have to converge to the public interest. Not an easy thing to predict.

Originally posted by KLMulder
2006 John and Toyota will have all you want and more. Toyotas, while nice cars, have not moved me since the TT MR2. Thye are nice, I worked in Toyota Service for years, they just don't get the blood pumping for me...

The new Tundra will move you alot John. V8 hybrid that will tow the new ford its payload and towing cap with no problem all with the fuel econ of a V6. We are just starting to get info from the region ( was there today for training ) and its going to blow the big 3 away.

I just don't like it - that's very similar to some of the stuff I've seen in the maggies - just don't like the looks...

What ever floats you boat. Thats why you have such a great site going here, we all have different points of view and for the most part get along just fine. I am wishin my Chevy will last long enough for these to come out then Ill be driven one. Fingers crossed!

Chevys never die, they get rebuilt.

I read somewhere that Toyota has a new 300hp, 30-mpg new Tundra on the horizon (hope it's not what is pictured above) , if it has a good towing capacity it should be a big seller.

Originally posted by 179
I read somewhere that Toyota has a new 300hp, 30-mpg new Tundra on the horizon (hope it's not what is pictured above) , if it has a good towing capacity it should be a big seller.

I believe it is what's above - and it aint pretty (though changes do happen from conceptual to production)

KL - just don't like the looks of Toyotas as much - they are great cars, don't get me wrong, just kinda boring. I think a Buick has more style in many cases than a Yoda...

On the other hand, that Nissan Fullsize looks sweet. And I like the new F150 too...

I hear you John. The FTX ( above ) is the concept for the new Tundra and from what we have been told from the region 300HP would be low for the power plant they are working out for this truck. The Nission and new F150 are a good truck but they are already haveing problems with both of them ( this is what happens when you use the consumer to test out what you built ) think about this as well, If they are as good as they say they thay are why do you need to give cahs back on a product that just came out a few short mounths ago? hhhmmmmmmmm

Ford and Nisson are working on there Hybrid's also but I think it is funny that they both licensed the system from Toyota.:laughs:

I give up and bow before your exalted status in the car business :D - No sense arguing with a car salesman about the nuances of automobilia. (BTW - someone I work with is considering a new yota - I'm gonna send him your way)

Or argue how badlly certain highly regarded japanese brands exude oil from most seals later on in life, cam seal, crank seal, plug tube seals, H20s on the T-Belt, Valve Seals :eek5: , or millions of bad V-6 truck engines, or how much of a P.O.S. the BIG L.C./450 is, the variable venturi carb that failed on 70% of turkles (I told you I was an ASM at a Toyota dealership, eh?).

I respect the product. Even though they are far from perfect they are near best in breed though 100 day and 6 month CSI studies don't mean jack. What I'm trying to say is that IT DOESN'T REACH OUT and make me want to drive the stinkin thing. :rolleyes:

Who has the cheapest gas prices in Narragansett Bay? Where
you can pull up with your boat>

they just don't get the blood pumping for me...

The last two vehicles that got my blood pumping cost me more aggrivation and more money than what they were worth. both were good ole "american made", always cost a ton in repairs and fuel andleft me wishing I could drive all day and NOT worry about being left on the side of the road....:mad:

now we own two vehicles...both toyotas and I dont think I will ever go back. I have never owned a more reliable vehicle. and to think at one time I swore I would never own one!


as far as gas prices are concerned, I dont like the fact that it cost me $20 to fill my tiny little tank this morning but if I lived in europe it would have cost me four times that. I guess we dont have it all that bad.