Well, my buddy Paul and I fished the Cape yesterday. I have never seen so many Bluefish in my life. Five of us caught blues for three hours or so. The fish averaged between four and twelve pounds with the smaller ones most common. We did well using ranger plugs and atom poppers. I will say one of the guys fishing had a yellow ranger, he out fished everyone with that thing. Anyway that's whats up, I'll be eat bluefish for dinner tonight. PB

It's great you had a succesfull day on the water, but,please, please, please try not to be so specific on the posting of reports.

CSK... respectivly....
What the heck was specific about that? Yellow rangers...? the cape is a big place, as is the south cape.. so I would say chill out... It's like me saying bluefish caught on the south shore of Rhode Island... better luck fishing 2.7oz hopkins with a bucktail, so what...

If he said "we slammed at Nobska light" or something spatially specific, then you have grounds....

Help me understand because I am new here. What was so specific about that post? Type/color of lure?:confused:

_zac_

Either he was joking. Or he was the guy with the yellow ranger, and doesn't want his secret weapon taken off the shelves. Although, you could catch a blue with a bouger on a safety pin.

Here we go again :smash: That post was fine IMO.

Apparently South Cape doesn't mean the same thing to some people as others.

And, there is a specific report section on the board.

Enjoy:D

HEY pbrown we were the two guys to your right i was useing the yellow. and yes it was a ball. hows your arms yee ha

You guys are to funny.

Anyone that cares to give specific locations, must be able to do so, if they are so inclined. That way, other fishermen can also share and enjoy the good fishing at that particular spot, as well as the comaraderie one enjoys when fishing with their fellow sportsmen.

Originally posted by CSK
It's great you had a succesfull day on the water, but,please, please, please try not to be so specific on the posting of reports.

:laughs:

I think CSK had tongue in cheek there.

What is the big deal? Southwest wind, May, Blues at south cape every year at this time no secret there. Anyone who fishes the Cape knows that. P. M.

There Back!!!:bounce:

agreed professor. its been a while since i've heard of folks trying to horde to themselves a top secret bluefish spot anyways!

Don't get me wrong, they're fun. But I'm more than happy to tell a fellow fisherman where the blues are hitting...

I'll tell ya exactly where to catch the Blues if I want!!!!

And while your doin that, I'll be catchin' cow Bass.:laughs:

Everyone to the South Cape to catch Blues!!!

I'm on my way.:smash: :smash:

I'd like to slay blues with big dave ... thanks..good report .. South Cape . Big Secret

If anybody would like to give me sum secret spots on the north shore like5-20miles north of boston area please do..i go to 3 lame old spots lookin for sumtin new. the easier to acces the area the better. usually have the wife and kid taggin along . ive ben out almost nightly , catchin Skate's and seaweed getting stressed any info will help

Originally posted by MEATHEAD
If anybody would like to give me sum secret spots on the north shore like5-20miles north of boston area please do..i go to 3 lame old spots lookin for sumtin new. the easier to acces the area the better. usually have the wife and kid taggin along . ive ben out almost nightly , catchin Skate's and seaweed getting stressed any info will help

Blues on South Cape, OOOOOPS

lynn lynn the city of cin never come out the way u went in :smash:

Striprman - you just don't comprehend or maybe you simply don't care about how posting on the internet can overwhelm a spot. It doesn't happen every day or on any post but it happens A LOT. I can't stress this enough, the Internet does not give up secret spots, just like most everyone says. But it DOES overwhelm them when they're mentioned. I've seen it a hundred times.

What the Internet DOES do is flood a spot with people. You get 500 to over a thousand people here per day looking at stuff, several hundred on one of the North Shore sites, close to a grand on the LI Sound site and a couple grand on the Jersey site, add that to the papers, and the shop reports and you can RUIN a location.

We're trying here to be both responsible here AND to share knowledge that will help people catch more fish. Not put someone on a rock or bar and say "cast there". That doesn't help people out. There is much more to learning than that. Telling people that Spot X is pukin' up large doesn't do that.

If people want to share spot with someone, PLEASE, I encourage you do it by a PM or something. Otherwise please speak in generalities.

Now with all that said, CSK, bad boy :laughs: , he was fairly generic with that.... :smash:

South Cape Cod:rolleyes:

Mike, go to Cape Cod and go south.:laughs:
I hear there are a lot of blues there.

Where the sea meets the sand you will find him, rod in hand, searching, searching for his prey...the elusive striped bass. He can see the silver and black stripes in my minds eye, imagine the sound of the surf as it crashes the shoreline . His nostrels flair, detecting the slight smell of watermellon... they are here. He stride confidently to the waters edge with weapon in hand, casting with confidence, as he has thousands of times before.
The fish, sees movement, detects the presence of its quarry, always searching for it's next meal, hungry.
The fisherman casts again, this time a little harder, moving the presentation out just a little further...perfect.
The fish is aware, there is it's quarry. The broad tail slashes the water. A strike.
The fisherman, always ready feels the fish strike, his rod doubles over, the drag screams. This is no ordinary fish, this is what all fishermen pray for.
The fish makes a long run, takes 100 or more feet of line and then sits on the bottom. The fisherman is unable to move such a large fish, but keeps steady pressure on the rod. 10 minutes pass.
The fish slowly starts to move, but sensing the sting in its mouth knows something is wrong. Again, it swipes its tail, all fins fully erect, fighting, fighting with all its strength.
Another 50 feet of line have been removed from the fishermans reel. Only another 50 feet left on the reel. The fisherman keeps steady pressure on the fish, the line "sings" under the weight and movement. The fisheman can feel the rod throb as the fish shakes its huge head, but the fish is no longer taking line.
The fish is now tired. The thing in its mouth is slowly bringing it towards the shoreline. It now swims with the pressure it feels, the sting less painful.
The fisherman can feel the fish moving, he has regained the 50 feet from the second run. The fish has been on for 15 minutes.
Another run strips 20 feet of line, the fish realizes that it is fighting for its life, but the pain in its mouth is unrelenting and it again follows its source for relief.
The fisherman knows that this fish is like no other that he has ever hooked, a magnificent creature that the fisheman has outwitted, man against nature, millions of years of evolution come down to these minutes.
The fish is now very tired, it had encountered such a sensation three times before.... but there were rocks. this time the rocks could not be found, only sand and seaweed. The fish now just follows the strange sensation, pressure, and follows the sensation to the shorelone. What is this strange creature that lives in the air?
The fisherman, beads of sweat on his brow now has the fish at his feet. It is like nothing he has ever caught before, its huge white belly showing as the moon rises and Venus twinkles as the evening star. Life is good.

Ahh sorry to bug ya for askin for sum new holes to fish at . i juzz noticed peeps givin up a little info so i figured id ask . no problem i no what ya mean by how the word travels of a good spot . lost my hole 1 season by tellin a guy at the bait store. were i was catchin sum monsters . next thing i no he was tellin other customers my spot ..and it filled up fast...anyways i caught a big eel tonight in a mouth of a river abought 16" or so .. would those thing's make for a good piece of live bait.. or are they juzz a pain in the butt s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& on my bait?

:rtfm:

You catch a 16" eel - fish it :D

South Cape is great......if all you want is 5 lb blues;)

I tell all were what when and how if they want to no!!

Pleanty of room on the 20' rock I go to!!! :laughs: It can be any where from Vinyard sound to P-Town on any given day!

Originally posted by JohnR
Striprman - you just don't comprehend or maybe you simply don't care about how posting on the internet can overwhelm a spot. It doesn't happen every day or on any post but it happens A LOT. I can't stress this enough, the Internet does not give up secret spots, just like most everyone says. But it DOES overwhelm them when they're mentioned. I've seen it a hundred times.

What the Internet DOES do is flood a spot with people. You get 500 to over a thousand people here per day looking at stuff, several hundred on one of the North Shore sites, close to a grand on the LI Sound site and a couple grand on the Jersey site, add that to the papers, and the shop reports and you can RUIN a location.

We're trying here to be both responsible here AND to share knowledge that will help people catch more fish. Not put someone on a rock or bar and say "cast there". That doesn't help people out. There is much more to learning than that. Telling people that Spot X is pukin' up large doesn't do that.

If people want to share spot with someone, PLEASE, I encourage you do it by a PM or something. Otherwise please speak in generalities.

Now with all that said, CSK, bad boy :laughs: , he was fairly generic with that.... :smash:



You would think that with a web site with the name "striped-bass.com" that the web site would encourage persons looking for knowledge and information about striper fishing would be pleased that friendly fishermen would share their information about specific fishing spots and methods with the internet community.

I find it strangely ironic that this isn't the case.
I find it strangely ironic that persons are happy to say what they caught, but not where.
I find it strangely ironic that a person that puts up a web site about fishing for striped bass, is actually asking, if not forbidding, others not to state where and when good catches have and will be made.

I caught a big fish, but I'm not telling you where...
then why bother telling the internet world in the first place? so you can gloat and bask in your glory?

Paranoid secrecy
Is this what "striped-bass.com" is all about?

Striprman, it's great that you want to share fishing knowledge with people, but it can be done in a more discreet manner. All it takes is one well-intentioned post mentioning good action at spot x and the great night/morning/afternoon you previously spent either by yourself or with a couple other fisherman, now becomes a crowded, littered disaster.


South Cape means something fairly specific to me, and I fully realize that it's mentioned often in guide books and Newspapers. But one man's South Cape is another man's quiet solace on his/her one chance during a given week to get out on the water given his/her busy schedule.


There's no paranoid secerecy,no cabal, no thought control. All I'm asking for is a modicum of discretion,i.e the reports sections that you have to be logged into to view, when it comes to the posting of spots.

Selah

Paranoid secrecy


It is not paranoia when it is true that you have to keep you spots secret on the WWW.

Striprman - I rest my case. You DON'T get it.

Yes, this site is about sharing knowlege and information to help people like you and me to catch more fish and to be better and more responsible anglers. Its not about saying go here and you'll catch a fish. Going by your rules, I should telleveryone about a place you walk a mile to get into, go thru what may or may not be R.O.W.s between peoples yards and get a bunch of people to share a spot that can park maybe 2-3 cars and handle 5-8 people. Would it be responsible for me to post this spot if I were slamming fish, then give directions, and have 60 people there on a weekend night? Littering beer cans, and lure boxes, leaving old bait on the rocks? Do you think it will be long before the local police are booting people or perhaps detaining people giving the 2 Mil landowner the benefit of the doubt?

Or maybe to go blab about someplace that is public access and see every cooler toting, alcohol swilling, littering person that doesn't respect what little access we still have go and ruin that too? There are major towns with remaing access to fisherman reconsidering whether or not to allow anglers to park and access places to fish because of litter, disrespect for the environment, overcrowding, and the like. Does our responsibility to share "SPOTS" over the Internet supercede our responsibility as respectful and good anglers to not overrun what a SPOT can handle?

What do you think is more important Striprman, puking fishing places on the Interent and overrunning places casuing further loss of access or helping people LEARN to figure stuff out by gaining experience, pointing people in the right direction, and being RESPONSIBLE to our sport and protecting what little we have left??

Every time I go out fishing, I bring a big garbage bag with me to collect any junk I might come across. I always take back more than when I came. I encourage anyone that I give a spot to, to do the same. There are so many different places to go, all have
their problems. That doesn't stop me from telling others where to go, how to fish, the right time to go. So, there is a crowd..so what?
If you want solitude, climb back into bed. I don't think you guys "get it". You want it all for yourselves. Maybe that isn't such a bad thing. Ya, I want it all for myself. Sorry, I don't think that way.
I'm sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences at some of "your" spots. Maybe if more "spots" were posted and "exposed", "the gang" wouldn't "crowd" one particular "burned" spot.
You say some spots can't "take the pressure" of additional persons fishing there. OK, well if theres a crowd, and you don't like it, go somewhere else.
I've been lucky enough to enjoy striper fishing for 40+ years. I've always tried to help others and give information freely. When there is a crowd, I'm always happy to see fishermen enjoying their favorite pastime. And, if it is at a place that I might have let some of them know about, that makes me extra happy.
Some "secrets" are worth sharing, with all.
Do you think all internet fishermen are irresponsible? I don't think so. I think many more appreciate it when a knowedgeable
fisherman is willing to share his years of experience with others in the spirit of sportsmanship.

:smash:

youre being a friggin a$$hole pal. why can't you respect the etiquette of this chat room. people here worked their asses of to learn to a spot, and they want to be able to enjoy that spot in the future without having to contend with crowds. i feel bad for the serious, hard fishing fanatics on this site who know their $hit but have it blown to $hit by someone who could care less about common decency. why can't you compromise?

If people want to share a spot FINE.. But do so privately in a PM or call them. A once secluded beach that yielded great fish with little pressure now is filled with people fishing leaving trash and some nights is so bright with fires and lanterns you dont need a light to tie lures on. The reason is people yelling out spots in a forum that is read by thousands in a given week. If someone needs help have them PM someone. The same info is transferred yet with little public knowledge.

Originally posted by bart
youre being a friggin a$$hole pal. why can't you respect the etiquette of this chat room. people here worked their asses of to learn to a spot, and they want to be able to enjoy that spot in the future without having to contend with crowds. i feel bad for the serious, hard fishing fanatics on this site who know their $hit but have it blown to $hit by someone who could care less about common decency. why can't you compromise?

I haven't given out any specific spots, just generalizations. The places I like to fish can be crowded at times, at other times they aren't crowded at all. Also, I have never called anyone any derogatory names, and never will. Every fisherman has their favorite locations. All I'm saying is that if a person wants to give a location to the internet community, it should be OK to do so. I haven't found it particularly difficult to catch fish. You use a fishing pole, a reel, some line, a hook, a sinker, some bait (dead or alive) or a lure of some type.
How hard is that? I guess some people find it very difficult because some people fish for years without catching a thing.
All I have to say to them is look for moving water and holes.
And, fish at night when you can. And lastly, don't expect to catch alot of fish (you might though). You might have to fish several hours for one bite, or you might catch a large on your first cast. If you are impatient, take up a different recreation.

The people I really respect on here are the artists and lure makers/fishermen, those are some talented individuals . I makes some of my own lures during the off season. I'm no artist, but my creations catch me some nice ones now and again. I'm not a rich man, I can't afford fly fishing trips to MV or Nantucket. I fish the cape and south shore. I don't own a 4wd or do I care to. I fish as hard as the next guy, maybe harder.
I get my share of fish during the season and every minute I spend I thoroughly enjoy. My brother owns a 21 foot boat, we go out to the islands, Cape Cod bay and Narraganset bay several times a year and take a few trips to Plymouth. It's not difficult to catch fish, you just need the right tools, time and tides. If your not willing to fish when the fish are there, well you'll never catch anything.

Is it indecent to share spots with the internet community? I guess you guys think so. I'd like to think that the internet community is a better group of persons than what you guys have led me to believe.

Now get out there and catch some fish

like JohnR said, you obviously don't understand

It's not indecent. What was word of mouth in the past how become World of Blab on the internet. There are no secret places. They have been fished for generations. What may be "secret" is the thrill of working an area and finding out when , where, and how. That is the attraction. When I started about 12 years ago, I went to a seminar at the old Perry's Boat Yard. A talk was given by a member of the Cape Cod Salties. I forget his name now. He told the beginners to get a road Atlas of the Cape and hit the places you can get access for; those places that look fishey. Like the Nike ad, "Just Do It.".

So I just did it.Not too well, but it has been fun. There were jerks around then, and always will be. I have some frustrating memories of yo-yos coming up on our group at the canal and tosssing lines over us as we fished at the canal edge. Jerks without a clue. No internet then, all word of mouth, or from a bait store. Legal fish were 36". With the explosion in interest, the Moron Population has gotten bigger . Do you blame anyone who has invested time and money to drive a distance to the Cape to learn the sport to become an open book of locations and timing? How about the guys who live down there and have put in countless hours to learn?

I had a few days off and went to a spot. I didn't think the fish would be there in great numbers. I did want to check it out for future reference. I spent time and money to do this. It is part of 'paying the dues." If I did hit the bonaza, I would tell a few people I know and trust because they also pay their dues. Otherwise, nothing.

Originally posted by bart
like JohnR said, you obviously don't understand

Yes, I understand. You've worked hard to find several productive fishing spots (shore spots). You have found some on your own, and some maybe a friend or a friends father. Maybe it was a spot your grandfather showed you, a "special" spot that, during the "right" stage of the moon, the "right" time of day (or night), the tide brings fish, possibly large. Now, you've spent years learning the "right" lure to use (through hours of experimentation) or the right bait (pogie, herring, squid, clam, sea worm, mackerel, scup, pollack, ) or any of the other myriad of baits that might catch at "your" spot. Your spot gets posted on a internet web fishing site, and the next time you go there, Billy Bob and a truck full of googanheimers are sitting there, swigging beers and generally trashing the place, and not catching a damn thing, while you know the fish are there. Maddenning, isn't it?

Striprman - I RUN an Interne Fishing Site, to SHARE knowledge with others, to help people - includiing myself - become better anglers. You know how much coin I make doing this? You know how many hours I put into this site to make it run? Yet, I don't want my secluded little spot or my method used? Sheeeeoooot - go to the How Tos - my method is there in 2 pages worth. I'll tell you some of my favorite places from Watch Hill to Truro - but I won't mention a spot and let it get over run - too many people do that already and from umpteenth time THESE SPOTS CAN'T HANDLE IT sometimes.

I go to the hearings on access and DEM, I go on beach cleanups, I PARTICIPATE in the system. I try to make the system better, and I see where the fishing community comes up short, and the main reason is overrunning and treating what limited access we have left like crap. Obviously I can't be sincere enough when I say this but you just don't get it. The Internet is not the local bait shop where the proprieter share info with his 30 friends. Its THREE HUNDRED here....

Where is my damn lyrics sheet for that "Cumbaya" song?:confused: I had them out just the other day.;)

Stripers are slammin' off the New Jersey coast.....you guys should all go there this weekend and give that spot a shot....let me know how you make out!:D

Originally posted by BigFish
Where is my damn lyrics sheet for that "Cumbaya" song?:confused: I had them out just the other day.;)

Stripers are slammin' off the New Jersey coast.....you guys should all go there this weekend and give that spot a shot....let me know how you make out!:D
Jamaica bay is loaded...:rolleyes:

striperman, you don't have a clue. You say, if you want solitude, go back to bed.

Sorry friend, but that's what fishing is all about for alot of people. They want to get away from the crowds, the noise, etc. to enjoy a mountain stream, the crashing surf, take time to think.... we could take up mall shopping if we want crowds.

Some people just like to fish and don't care if there are a thousand people around... you will find them lined up at the big hole below the bridge where the stocking truck just dumped 200 trout.

But for those that hike up into the mountains, or fish the late shift when most people are in bed, or go north and fish with ice forming in your guides, are the first ones out alone on the beach in early spring and the last late in the fall, or in general, seek to get away from the average group, I think solitude and escape is a HUGE part of it. Maybe most of it.

Why do I launch at 4am in the summer... the fishing is better at dawn, sure... but there is a magic hour or two where the water is gold and I'm one of a handful of boats out on Boston Harbor. At that point, I feel like I've put some distance between me and the masses.

So do we want it all to our selves? Probably a little, would we rather someone come by the info honestly, through hard work and putting some time in... YES... because I think we learn some things during that process. We learn to respect the sport, respect the effort it takes to get there, and rather than receiving instant gratification, that person has earned their spot there. And they'll know how to participate appropriately.

AND... the other part you are missing is the whole access issue. As recreational fishermen numbers increase, access decreases. More and more, access is lost mostly because of a few people, yes, but lost regardless. And if there are a thousand people checking this site, and they each tell 5 people, and they tell 2... suddenly a spot is overwhelmed, locals get fed up, and up goes another, "TOWN STICKER REQUIRED" signs. Its reality.

AND... There are already plenty of magazines and books that will get anyone who reads them to some good spots, so AT LEAST CAN THEY READ THE BOOKS?? If someone is not at least willing to do that, than I would say they don't need to be out there anyway.

John, your a good man.
From day 1 all I wanted was to make people more aware, raise an eyebrow or 2, or maybe make someone laugh. I don't mind playing dumb or having people think I'm "different". I did it for a reason, I love fishing, alway have and always will. Maybe my approach is unconventional, maybe I made a few persons mad, irate or people think I'm "thick". That may be, but if I got 1 person to maybe think about something they might not have thought of, or think back on something that happened to them, so others can learn, or "open up" about how they feel about fishing, well, I can live with that.
I've had my posting ability removed, been call derogarory names, have had persons disagree with me... well, don't you think I know what will happen before I write something?
Alot of people didn't like my saltwater fishing licence post, alot of discussion there. some people didn't like all my "stupid question asking", still, alot of discussion there. Some were offended by my posts, saying they were "off base", still I got a response.
Fishing is a precious commodity. Striped bass were almost wiped out not that long ago. Now they are back and those that remember "how it used to be"...well things will never be "how it used to be".

I have my own spots and fry my own fish, is that so bad?

i will be the first person to admit that i ask a lot of question about spots, tides, presentations etc. some people on this board can attest to that. i don't know a fraction of the knowlegde that some here people have gained over their lifetimes. but i love fishing, period. i will do what it takes to learn a spot and then fish it until my arms fall off. i drive an hr from MA to fish rhody waters most of the time by myself, at least 3 times a week. i ask a lot of questions to great fisherman, hoping that they might help me along after seeing how dedicated i have become and how much time i put in. and then i go and fish my brains out. and i honestly don't want to learn by by just having someone tell me where, when, how, and why. i love the surf because of the challenge. some places i fish definetly can't handle the pressure of say 5 more people fishing there. there are over 2000 members on this site, if say a minute fraction of these people fished where i do the spot is ruined and so is my day/night of fishing. it is different when your fishing from a boat, you can cover more ground and move a lot faster. if you are going to share specific info please share it in a PM.

Good,...I found them buried under my "How to Win Friends and Influence People" book......gotta get around to reading that one of these days!:read: OK....here goes....ahem.....Cumbaya my Lord...Cumbayaaaaa.......Cumbayaaa my Lorrrd Cumbayaaaaa.....evryone join me in song!:D Cumbayaaaa my Lorrrd.....Cumbayaaaaaa:happy:

Striprman, in your quest to be different and ask the hard questions and make people think, you might help 1 person out, but why make your goal so low? You can help a lot more if you PARTICPATE in our community and stop going out of your way to punch holes in it. Your "posting ability" was not pulled (hence another page of drivel), the reason your ability to start new "threads" was restricted was so you wouldn't start 10 rediculous posts per day. You were driving the people you want to "help" flippin' bonkers :err: :uhoh: .

You almost hit the nail on the head when you said fishing today would not be like the good old days. It will never be the same but for a different reason than lack of fish. It will be because of lack of access. More open space is lost every year due to construction, town resolutions, anti-fishing groups exclusion zones, new property owners not being as friendly as the original people, people being pissed whan anglers or even teenagers move on to the beach in hordes. We have a responsibility to protect what we have for access and one big way to protect it, and maybe even get some back, is to not over populate a spot. If we don't, we all be bumping into each other in boats - be freikin "Oar Rage" or something out there. Maybe we're tiliting at windmills here and its a lost cause because of all the spot puking between the net, maggies, shows, papers, and books. Its probably too late now anyway, but damn we should as a community TRY to reverse the tide on access.

If you want to share everything, invite some people to fish with you and show them your "spots". But don't ruin a spot in your quest to be the Great Oracle of Keene Street.

From one of the greatest films of all time "Lighten Up, Francis"

:D Ohhh Lorrrd...Cumbayaaaaaa!:btu:

Was down at the Ditch this afternoon and decided to take a ride over to South Cape. Man they must have been giving away FREE stuff.......must have been 50 people there......and nobody catching squat:laughs: :laughs:

Cumbaya my Looord...Cumbayaaaaaa!:smash: