Im sure everyone has seen the previews on TV for the Micheal Moore documentary farenhiet 9/11....you know, that piece of anti Bush propaganda of lies and such. Anyway, you see the clip of W holding up that nice striper! Attaboy GW! Good fishing and good terrosist hunting.:btu:

:yak6: :yak6: :yak6:

BUSH 2004 ,:btu: stand behind our president , military, and country, michel moore can kiss my a$$ , and can you belive there are people that belive every word that jerk say's bush 2004:btu:
later link sr:cool:

I know Bush is definitely a clown now, just by the way he was holding that dink. And yes it was a dink. Just like you blockhead Bush supporters to think a little rat like that is a nice bass.

go gettum Chipwood!:laughs:

if there the striped bass spawning grounds were in the northerntier of alaska and bush was pushing for drilling would you still support him?

IMO Moores propaganda is no different than the BS propaganda Bush and Co. threw at us to justify finising the job his dad couldnt do in IRAQ... hmm first lets try and say the iraqis are building a bomb... then lets say they are tied to osama, then lets say they have WMD's... :yak: :smash:

Navy Seal put that rat on the hook for him just like they done for his old man! :smash:

Originally posted by chipwood
I know Bush is definitely a clown now, just by the way he was holding that dink. And yes it was a dink. Just like you blockhead Bush supporters to think a little rat like that is a nice bass.

#### you chipwood.

George Bush hunting terrorists? I've hunted a few terrorists myself and I don't recall seeing GW hunting any. Iraq is a mess and if you think we're any safer here at home you might want to jump off the Bush bandwagon for a minute and take an unbiased look. By the way, I'm a conservative Republican, but the party line is way off on this one.

If drilling Alaska lessens dependence on Middle Eastern oil then go for it. Screw Moore and his pinko supporters.

Why are you picking on me Fishweewee? It was a dink. I can't help it that your man catches small fish. I saw the movie and it was very interesting. I know that it was one sided but like Eben said, it was great to see another side besides the spoon fed news we get from the national networks. There were some images that the American public should've seen. I just feel bad for the soldiers who have been killed and wounded over there just doing their job. I support our country and our soldiers, I just can't support Bush and his ideas.

By the way my sister-in-law is from Austin and the movie was sold out there this weekend. Is'nt that Bush country down there?

Austin is a world of its own
The worst attack on AMerican soil EVER, and the country has rebounded and thrived. Stock Market crash, the country has rebounded and thrived. There have been no more attacks on US soil since 9/11. No predisent in history (except Linoln) has dealt with issues this important to the sercurity of our country.
If you want to kill bees, do you hide behind a rock and wait for them to come to you or do you swat the nest so they show themselves? In Iraq, we swatted the nest and now we know whats out there. Lets deal with 'em.

Bush is not a diplomat but I'll be damned if the USA's security will be drive by the UN.
I always considered myself a liberal but I'm behind Bush all the way.
If if you hate him....could you actually vote for Kerry? WHat has he done? WHat does he beleive in? The guy has nothing!

Maybe you swat the nest. But you don't crawl up inside it and stay there.

I think this belongs in the Scuppers.

No predisent in history (except Linoln) has dealt with issues this important to the sercurity of our country.

Respectfully, you may want to go back to the history books on that one.
Our bullheaded and ignorant approach is not the answer to this one. Our best weapon against terror is intelligence.

Originally posted by RIJIMMY
In Iraq, we swatted the nest and now we know whats out there. Lets deal with 'em.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think one of those hijackers was an Iraqi... they were mostly from saudi arabia and pakistan.

Oil Oil Oil


John Kerry actually fought in a war instead of just drinking, smoking pot, and doing coke..... not that he didn`t do those things as well.

The world is a mess and nothing is easy.


Blind, ignorant, and by the book happy,
Mike

#### you chipwood.

#### you chipwood et all

Forgive the ignorant caught up in the heroics provided by history
to the ignorant provided by history

Forgive the ignorant caught up in the heroics provided by history
to the ignorant provided by history

People talk about supporting US soldiers in Iraq and then blindly support the decisions of our leaders with regards to Iraqi operations. These soldiers are providing the ultimate sacrafice for our country, and still some can't even do them the respect to legitamize the reason behind their risk.

If you're going to tell a soldier to go die for his country, at least be able to assure him that his death is not in vain. For a supported of US soldiers not to question our position in Iraq, and not to acknowledge that there is some ambiguity there, given that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and no ties to terrorists is irresponsible of the conservative just as it would be irresponsible of a liberal if a democrat were in office.

Personally, i don't want to see our soldiers die for reasons that Bush has admitted "were mistakes." You just can't ask people to die for one man's mistakes, it doesn't matter if you're a democrat or a republican.

Gotta love it when the libs get all riled up anytime someone brings up Bush! Go ahead and vote for good ole' Kerry if you want. You want that guy fighting terrosism.I sure as #^&#^&#^&#^& dont. Bottom line is...If Kerry or any other Dem were in office Saddam and his thugs would still be aiding terroists all over the world and killing and torturing his own people. About time someone finally had enough balls to do something....Even old Bill Clinton thought Irag had WMD's....Was he lying too? You lefties get a hard on over that guy. Bush in 04....support the troops and stop demening them you a holes.

WMD = mustard gas = Sadam slaughtered 10's of thousand's of his own people that = WMD's ,who cares if they didn't find the WMD'S he had them or still has them even though we have Sadam the WMD'S are still out there somewhere
I can't post on this matter any more this is a fishing site

later LINK SR.:cool:

Unfortunately, a lot of people buy into the administration's rhetoric because they are patriotic. No one can argue that Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the fact is no one can PROVE that he was such an IMMEDIATE threat that warranted the hasty and poorly planned action we took against him. In fact, most evidence seems to indicate that Iraq was indeed less of a threat. Hussein may have had dealings with some terrorists but they are significantly less than the administration would like us to believe. Contrary to what many of you may think, Iraq was not the terrorist training ground that Afghanistan was. In fact, most of that activity occurred in the Kurdish area to the north, which Saddam did not control.
We were not prepared to handle this alone. You can thank Clinton for weakening our military and our intelligence capabilities. We needed a real coalition from the start with a clear plan for the occupation.

Skip

RE: Kerry vs. Bush fighting terrorism

John Kerry is a war HERO
Bush went into the Nat Gaurd to avoid service, and then went AWOL

Why wouldn't Kerry do a good job fighting terroism/threats to our nation?

_Z_

I have to agree that Saddam was an evil dictator.But, we didn't need to waste lives and billions to deal with him.
We could have kept inspectors in there and crippled his ability to do anything with his WMD's if he had them.
To me, the Iraqi's aren't worth "liberating".
People need to stand up for themselves if they are oppressed, these people are pussies. You try to liberate pussies and it looks like an occupation.
Look at Kuwait - we saved their butts, and what did we get for it?
Want Oil?
Take Kuwait's - they owe us.
But FWIW - Kerry is no better, I haven't heard him really say ANYTHING substantial.
Geez.

Zacs

No one will deny that Kerry was a war hero. Even me who doesnt care for the guy. But what does being a war hero have to do with anything? FDR never served in the miltary and I think people will agree he did a pretty good job leading during WWII! John Kerry is all about the UN and we all know what a bunch of idiots they are. He would do NOTHING unless the UN gave him the OK....I dont want to put this great country in the hands of those guys. Can someone please tell me something that Kerry stands for?! Seems to me he changes his views on a daily basis. Do we want someone like that leading our country....Not me thats for sure!

Zacs

Are you saying serving in the Guard does not count as serving your country? Thats a slap in the face to the national guard if you ask me:af:

I love the fact that people criticize Farenheit 9/11 and they have never seen it! Go see it and then pass judgement instead of forming an opinion base upon a sound bite you heard on tv.

I don't understand how you can support a president that has lied to the entire country and because of this lie, soldiers are being killed. If there were a draft, would you want your child to fight in Iraq for nothing? Fighting in Afghanistan against those who attacked us is one thing but Iraq is another.

Aren't these the kind of threads you expect in February.....Where everyone is going through Fishing Withdrawal.

People are dropping 4-letter words on everybody like there's no tommorrow.

Relax...Grab a rod and go FISHING.

If you have an opinion its not necessary to F-Bomb somebody for thiers.

remember....2 things you never win an argument about....Religion and Politics.

"after all, this is the man that tried to kill my father" pretty much says it all.

i like how before 9/11 the Bush Administration said that Iraq was not a threat and that we were preventing them from getting WMDs. then after 9/11 Iraq is suddenly an immediate threat. go figure...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by chipwood
Just like you blockhead Bush supporters

I respect other people's political views and since this is mostly a fishing board I try to steer clear of talking about them, unless they are fishing related.

I don't take kindly to being called a blockhead by somebody who doesn't know me and solely on the basis of being a Bush supporter (which I am but haven't harped about it).

Call me a blockhead? Go #### yourself. Say it to my face next time if you have the balls to do it you little #####. .:af:

Attaboy FishWeeWee! The name calling is becuase they cant argue against the facts that are in front of them. So they resort to the name calling routine. Sorry for causing so much anger and such with this thread, just happened to see W holding a striper and thought it would intersting to discuss. Didnt mean to cause a big firestorm of political debate. Why not wait till November and call it a truce for now and lets get back to fishing!:btu:

Wee wee is the best.
:D

Go Bush in 2004. Strong Military, Small Govt., Low Taxes, Swift action.

First of all WeeWee I don't think I called you a blockhead. There are some nice people I know that support Bush, evidently your not one of those, but there are some knuckleheads who simply don't think and just follow. That goes for the Democrats too. I 'm neither a Rep or a Democrat. I vote for who I think is going to do the best job and I don't think Bush is doing a good job for this country. Remember we had the world's support after 9/11 and now look at the anti American feelings around the world and the lack of support in the US. After watching the movie Bush does'nt come off looking too good. I'm not a political person and I supported the US to take care of business over there at first, but over the long haul my support has waned for this war so much I no longer can trust our President. Wee Wee I live and fish in Newport and if you want that face to face confrontation just PM me and from the comments you have written in your threads maybe you do deserve to be called a blockhead to your face but that remains to be seen.

yes lets increase government spending, lower taxes, so as to drive up the federal deficit and create a recession! Great economic plan!

Originally posted by chipwood
Wee Wee I live and fish in Newport and if you want that face to face confrontation just PM me and from the comments you have written in your threads maybe you do deserve to be called a blockhead to your face but that remains to be seen.


I'm scared of you, ######.

NOT.

Originally posted by Skip N
Sorry for causing so much anger and such with this thread, just happened to see W holding a striper and thought it would intersting to discuss. Didnt mean to cause a big firestorm of political debate. [/B]


Skip N,

I find it hard to believe that you were not trying to stir up anything This is not your first politically tinged post meant to attack Democrats this week. Please see this post -

Originally posted by Skip N
You never know with those wack job muslim extremists. It sounds silly thats for sure but i wouldnt put it past them. Cant blame the goverment for issuing the warning, just gotta tell everyone and watch out just in case. Otherwise John Kerry will say Bush didnt warn us about terrorists using bouys as bombs! Ya cant win with the Lefties! :hs:

This thread is out of control.... Chill out folks.

This is supposed to be a family site.

:bgi:

Talk about denial....

Sadam and Ben Laden were conspiring to subvert the government of Saudi Arabia (and outright take over Kuait), disrupt the world's oil supplies send the world economy into depression.

WMD's are in Syria and N. Korea. Sadam's use of them is well documented. As late as 1999 Al Queda was being trained in facilites south of Bagdad on the use of Sarin nerve gas. First likely practice targets were Turkey and Russia, then the U.S.

Though Sadam's program to build nuclear weapons was for the most part destroyed by the Clinton missle strikes, he was poised to rebuild it.

Radical muslums, i.e. Al Queda et al, have categorically stated that they will accept no less than a fundamentalist Islamic world government. They will brutalize innocent men, women, and children until they have achieved this objective. Their actions confirm their words. The irony of this is that they point to the decadent western lifestyle as justification for these actions. Hello.. hollywood!!!

Haliburton... blah blah blah... sheesh.

Originally posted by Indanite
This thread is out of control.... Chill out folks.

This is supposed to be a family site.

:bgi:

Butt the **** out Skitterpoop

NaCl H20--check your PMs

this is a winter thread !!!!!


first off we should never discuss religeon and/or politics on a fishing board . No one wins . we have no control ! besides its the electorial college of which your one vote means nothing .

politicians are ALL liars ALL of them . if they arnt now they either will be soon or out of Politics .


kerry served in vietnam and there is controvery there as well as the Iraq WMD debate and bushes national guard time .

there is always controversy ! keeps us off balance .

elmer fudd is a good canidate or none of the above

and F^%$^ you crap has to go ! unless I say it !

!@#$ you CHRIS! :bshake:

Originally posted by fishweewee
Butt the **** out Skitterpoop

ROTFL, this is great--

Who gives a %^$ about politics anyway, it's always the lesser of two evils with these morons. This country is going to hell in a handbasket, who gives a chit who brings us there.

They BOTH suck, Kerry and Bush!!!

IF you really want too . that will be $1200 and a chance to see the other end !

U take Visa?:af:

ok this has gone nuts and yall need to calm down. Ill post a poll and you can vote there.

where you want me to swipe your card , my butt ? LOL

Focus on the fish not the Pres.

It's a better fish than I've had in a week :rollem: - but who fishes from a Fountain anyway :hihi: - at least the non-fishy ones??

OK - really wish I had bothered / dared read this thread earlier so I coulda said "knock it #^&#^&#^&#^& earlier. BUT KNOCK IT OFF.

If you guys want to debate this back and fro in a civilized manner, that's OK - in a new thread. If you all want to argue FACTS backed up with LINKS I highly encourage it. If you want to state an OPINION say it is your OPINION if you are going to present a FACT, like mentioned above, provide your SUPPORTING documentation. Above all, remember that this is a FISHING SITE, serious, deep battles of politics and religion can and usually do go beyond the scope of these boards!!!!

I supported GW HEAVILY after Afghanistan and chasing the terrorists, I still do.

I am not convinced of a strong link between Iraq and Al Queda, strong enough to act on though at the time, I thru my lot in after Powell presented his - likely not known at the time - evidence against Sadamm. Even though it appears to be based on incorrect data, there were many reasons to go in there. Maybe not immediately, but reason enough to go in. Not immenent danger perhaps but it would have become so. I CLEARLY believe that this administration repeatedly fumbled the football on Iraq. They found a tarbaby and now we are stuck. I believe there is no easy "pull out" now because we will be more screwed up long term - either way we, as a country, can be greatly screwed on this. Hopefully, within 20 years, some semblance of true democracy and freedom will have taken root in Iraq and spread out from there, but it ain't happening tomorrow and probably not Jan 31. God I pray it does though.

Dang - gotta run...

Hand to hand : no weapons beyond these parameters.

Date and time to be announced.


This could very well be a match to the death.


DON`T MISS THIS EVENT!!! Better than the ever so craved for and late arriving Laptew DVD!!!

:happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:

:af:

Bush - The Non-Elected President. Hanging chads my ass.:af:
and now the new Florida voting system is impossible to recount.....!!!! Methinks it STINKS.

Support the troops not the Moron. They are dying to fill bank accounts while their families are at home on food stamps.

killem all and take there oil

Originally posted by NeedaKeepah
Bush - The Non-Elected President. Hanging chads my ass.:af:
and now the new Florida voting system is impossible to recount.....!!!! Methinks it STINKS.

Support the troops not the Moron. They are dying to fill bank accounts while their families are at home on food stamps.



Do you really think the country would have been better off with Gore at the helm...... I think not. Gore is a dope and so is ex- superior:rolleyes:

No matter how many ways they tried to count and count again Bush won. He's your president, this is a war. Build a bridge and fish from it.

its New Jersys fault:laughs:

America, before it became a super power had an origional strength that is now under utilized that being its soil quality and climate with ample rain. Right now we can easily produce our own source of fuel internally in the form of vegetable oils from many plant sources one of which is hemp....(non-drug variety)which has been banned during our whole lifetime thus far. Were we to do that and gradually lessen our dependance on imported oil the price would go so low that we'd all be laughing.

I think that the origional intent of this thread was to illustrate that President Bush like his father enjoys fishing which is a good thing.:cool:

I think that the origional intent of this thread was to illustrate that President Bush like his father enjoys fishing which is a good thing.


Yes it was was! Both Sr and Jr both enjoy spending time fishing and they should be acknowleded for that.:claps:

Aw come on Skippy

the dude is a screwball :laughs:

you don't know anyone as a fisherman that many consider a screwball? well let me tell you something,,,, the whole damn lot of us are all plum crazy in our own ecentric way...and the moment you realize that ...its just a matter of dealing with the lessor of all screwballs or the least crazy. heh hem so you wanna be president? what are you "Crazy" they all will say.:D

:hihi: :hihi:

its them bluefishermen from nansucket:laughs:

that's right "Nansuckthis"

:laughs: :laughs:

yep blues, fluke, sea bass, and those stripey things.

oh ya and a $45 friggin egg. Normally there $65 but for $45 I'll give ya the one egg special :laughs:

yuppie:laughs:

homo :laughs:

I know You are But what am I You Yuppie Blue fisherman
I hate the rock You live on

hate's a big word. whad it ever do to you ?

and it ain't a rock fudgie :laughs:

thats a great name.... and the fudgicles are how much there?:eek:

nuttin,
Your a Yuppie Fudge fisherperson:laughs:

Raven you basstard :p I'll let you count em up for me

And for you, you cape cod fudge eatin, fudgetown fishin, beach queen dressin, plug ho :laughs:

you can have your fudgefish :smash:

laffin my fourth of july ass off ....stuffed on lobster and now...
the private party begins.... oh oh theres a bit of ice in my beer.
guess their cold enough....:D

look U Yuppie bastage, go eat Your 45 dollar eegs......

egg

YUp

I'm reading this thread way way too late!!!

I want to swear at someone too! Would someone please call me something nasty so I can get all fired up too?!?!?!?

:D :D :D

I want to swear at someone too! Would someone please call me something nasty so I can get all fired up too?!?!?!?

You a Hole!!:laughs: :D

Man, doesn't it feel good to be a part of something! :p

Originally posted by Hooper
Man, doesn't it feel good to be a part of something! :p
as long as it isnt that Yuppie rock that queen lives on:D

:laughs: :laughs: