Of a fish does it take to completely straighten a VMC 5/0 Siwash hook with a 6'6" St Croix Musky rod, 12 lb test, and a Penn 5500?

Do I win anything if I get this one right?:laughs:

you'd think that the 12 lb test line would break before the hook would straighten...

U musta forgot to turn on the ventilation when you were spraying paint again, huh?! ;)

A single hook with bait or was it on a plug?

:hihi:

too big for you that day....
oh and lately...
olive danny :humpty: :humpty:

Saltheart I don't fish bait :D

Eben I would have thought so too, I had no control on this fish at any point, I'm surprised the rod didn't blow up, it was bent right down to the cork :D

The big question is what line were you using......If that isn't a testament to its strength I don't know what is.

If u were using Yoz Hybrid that 10 lb breaks WAY higher than rating! ;)

What rod is this - Ugly Stick ? :D

Maxima perfexion line, new to me this year, nice stuff too!

it was me with a pair of plyers :D

wow it was bigger than it looked then :D

Originally posted by likwid
it was me with a pair of plyers :D

I had to test my rebreather gear SOMEHOW :laughs:

here's a pic of the plug....

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/bentplug.jpg

That was no fish. You just got it snagged in the prop :laughs:

:laughs: :wave: Cal

Originally posted by CAL
That was no fish. You just got it snagged in the prop :laughs:

I can compress the barb back towards the shank with my thumb on those VMC Siwash hooks. That's why I don't use them any more ;)

In fact, I'm down on Siwash hooks generally. Mustad stainless are brittle, and the tinned Mustads aren't what they used to be. I'm using Mustad O'Shaugnessies with a HD ring for a single lure hook.

Seems like those VMC's are hit or miss....

Never had an issue with them personally, but this isn't the first i've seen bent like that.

I have a hard time getting them to squish down Mike so I'm a little surprised to hear you say that....u got steel fingers? :D

I find they're brittle more than anything, but only if you TRY to bend them....doing something you not sposed to do in the first place
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mike P
I can compress the barb back towards the shank with my thumb on those VMC Siwash hooks. That's why I don't use them any more ;)

In fact, I'm down on Siwash hooks generally. Mustad stainless are brittle, and the tinned Mustads aren't what they used to be. I'm using Mustad O'Shaugnessies with a HD ring for a single lure hook.

I snapped a new 7/0 VMC siwash while trying to unhook a fish last night with pliers...it just snapped, I was real surprised. The trebbles are seem stronger.

I like the shape of the siwash for a tail hook. I think though you need to keep the super sharp, if they don't set and just hang on the tip, you can create a very larger bending moment that prys just about anything open like that. You need to bury that point into the fish IMO.

Nice to see you get them on poppers salty!

yesterday was ALL topwater stuff Jim, all 1.25 oz olive/white or blue/white buggerplugs.

That plug was pretty fresh, probably had 10 or so fish on it before this one....

How big do Blooofish get :D

No no no, this was Salty's thread not Clammer's :smash:

Originally posted by CAL
That was no fish. You just got it snagged in the prop :laughs:
Or a big clump of weed:D :happy:

I'd call you an ARSEHOLE but this is a family oriented website
:bshake: :hang: :hidin: :tooth:

Originally posted by Bigcat
Or a big clump of weed:D :happy:

Come on, tell the poor guy what he wants to hear...definitely a fifty pounder did that.

Must have been Moby #^&#^&#^&#^& to bend that hook!! :)

or.......Picture of plug tell the story. With the treble hook and the tail hook , leverage between the two can bend any hook. Anyway , seeing the plug , the bent hook doesn't surprise me. That sort of thing happens often.

Depending on how the fish is hooked they can use the power of their jaws to straighten a hook. I've seen it happen with split rings and hooks right at my feet, with no pressure at all on the plug from the line.

Scott, you got a pic of the one that did not bend the hook :D

grrrrr :smash:

problem with the siwash is the point is so long if it don't bury then it hangs up an has alot of leverage to open.sometimes I file them down but that induces rust pretty quickly.The VMC's are nice hooks but i think in genaeral with braid lines hooks generally stink the owner heavy treble is a goog hook but I've seen them open tryin to stop a fish in current. the only solution is lighter drag pressure.

yep I shoulda had less drag I already been thinkin that for sure.. next time :) That's one last year now and one this year....

Only the lucky get large fish on the first shot i think u live by ur mistakes a learn from them.Sooner or later U put it all together for the ride of u life with no nightmares.

:kewl:

Originally posted by NIB
Only the lucky get large fish on the first shot i think u live by ur mistakes a learn from them.Sooner or later U put it all together for the ride of u life with no nightmares.

Originally posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
yep I shoulda had less drag I already been thinkin that for sure.. next time :) That's one last year now and one this year....

That's a tough thing to remember sometimes - shouldn't Thomas be coaching you when your fighting the bigger fish ;)

I'm sticking with my previous quote of "all Siwash hooks make me nervous". Braided lines aren't helping but I've seen and know of plenty of big fish lost on Siwash hooks and mono. Even the 6/0 VMC which they don't make anymore.

I've always viewed the long point on Siwash hooks suspicously and I think NIB is right on with his diagnosis as to why they sometimes fail.

On top of that I think with the right angle almost any of the hooks we commonly use on our plugs can fail. I've straightened 5/0 VMC trebles on a 20" fish before. I was in a rush to land it to get my plug back out there for something bigger and I was skipping the fish across the surface. That was all it took. Lesson learned...