I don't understand how anyone who is in the middle class or lower could vote for this doosh.

He has his brother rig the voting machine in Florida.
Pulls CIA agents who were on Bin Laden's butt in Afghanistan when he got in office.
Frees Afghanistan from an organization that Reagan created while wasting billions.
Health care, what health care!?!
He screws up and lies and attacks Kerry for his failures.
Pollutes the east coast like the Capital of Texas, yea have you notice the stinging sensation of rain lately??? or the fact that we cannot stay in the sun more than 30 minutes...

I praise the soldiers who fight for Iraq's freedom, but what about ours?

and he blows too ! and talk about an ugly cat

You're free, go vote.

Most people in this world don't get to.

http://www.striped-bass.com/StriperTalk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17711


please john

Storm, try to be a little more subtle...otherwise you come off as a crackpot. For instance, try hiding your disdain inbetween other stuff.

I really wanted to eat that keeper, but I couldn't because of Bush's environmental policy, so I guess I'll have to catch and release :laughs:

-spence

Storm - this really seems like a troll but here goes...

I'm not a Bushie but having said that:

He has his brother rig the voting machine in Florida. - How do you figure? Looks like improperly maintained, designed, overused equipment to me.

Pulls CIA agents who were on Bin Laden's butt in Afghanistan when he got in office. - That's a crock - research it and you will see that both Clinton and Bush were considering the placement of troops into Afghanistan to get OBL but NEITHER had done it.

Frees Afghanistan from an organization that Reagan created while wasting billions. - What? We should have left Afghanistan alone? The water is a bit murkier on Iraq but Afghanistan was an open and shut no questions asked case. The Taliban harbored Al Queda and KNEW what was coming and did not stop it. A'stan was THE haven for these low lifes... And Reagan wasted billions in Afghanistan? B.S. at minimum he helped tie up many divisions and resources that could have rolled thru the Fulda Gap instead. THAT would have sucked. At best, it was one of many serious thorns in the side of the Soviets.

Health care, what health care!?! - Not everyone has it, yet - but how do we get there?

He screws up and lies and attacks Kerry for his failures. - Yeh, and you expected different from what politician?

Pollutes the east coast like the Capital of Texas, yea have you notice the stinging sensation of rain lately??? Did not notice "stinging" when it rains. If you see that when you pee, don't tell us - see a Doctor - FAST :laughs: . But his environmental policies DO SUCK. It is screw the envrionment with the Bush administration (though I'm not against drilling in Alaska, and funny thing is, neither are Alaskans)

or the fact that we cannot stay in the sun more than 30 minutes... - The not so bright one isn't doing anything to help the situation but he isn't soley responsible for the hole in the Ozone layer...

Your Post leaves a lot to be desired....

Why can we all just get along :)

RIJ
its all julia childs fault . somethings wrong in the broth

Rain, pee... LoL

Sure the machines weren't rig... Seem like Gore had a substantial amount of Dibs and Chads compared to Bush. But that's over with! The northeastern ozone is depleting, but that's because of the poor emission regulations in the past and for Bush to loosen it up... Let's see if it's safe to go out in the sun for 5 min if this continues.

Why is that the Bush campaign are heavily attacking Kerry, deceiving voters with lies!!! Lies!!! whereas Kerry's campaign are more passive towards attacking?

Bush in my mind is comparable to a pissy dude with a small shaft or Omarosa in the Apprentice.

Go ahead and delete this John...but I can't help myself!

Stormfish- You are an IDIOT!

Sorry...let me correct that last post...

A Clueless, Ignorant, Bush-Hating, Idiot who is somehow able to speak out of the hole that is below his belt!:D
Thank you for allowing the correction.

Whats wrong with Bush?
I love bush!!!:heybaby:

I can only say" 4 MORE YEARS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:) Hey stormdrain,"OOPS!!!" I mean fish!!!

Where did ya find this info about rigging votes etc: Please post the web site that we could click onto to verify what your saying!!!

I'm still undecided whom to vote for because both candidates haven't as of yet said what they plan to do for the people of this "GREAT COUNTRY OF AMERICA!!!"

Being a Vietnam Vetran neither candidates military record impresses me!!!!

And there were many more political friends and family of politicians through out this country, that either went into the national guard, college or did what Bill Clinton did, went to Canada!!!

Buy the way!! Did you serve your country????? Just asking!!!

Some nights that you have nothing to do turn on the O'Reilly Factor 8pm-10pm Does not mean that you or I have to agree with what is said but will give some concept into the issues!!!

John R aparently he didn't read your post about language etc:

Yes, I was in the Military. 1962-1968. 3rd Infantry Division,

:btu: :btu: :btu: :btu:

Originally posted by JohnR

He has his brother rig the voting machine in Florida. - How do you figure? Looks like improperly maintained, designed, overused equipment to me.


well... there is this little thing about the electronic voting machines:rolleyes:

Wally O'Dell, CEO of Diebold (maker of most electronic voting machines), said in a republican fundraising letter, "I will do everything in my power to insure a Bush victory." Now imagine if he was a democrat and said the same thing about Kerry. Liberal media my *.

theres a security hole still in the electronic voting machines. "A code entered into the tabulator's user interface duplicates the "secure" counts into an insecure count which can be changed, and counted instead." To add insult to injury, it's just a two digit code that allows anyone into the computer counts.

The political commentary on this site is a JOKE! Keep it to yourself, especially when your ignorant to reality.

The truely ignorant person is the person who chooses to ignore the problem

For some ungodly reason, I just took the time to read some of these discussions and to be blunt, Eben, you dont have a clue...

Political opinions are based on one's personal beliefs and 99% of the time those beliefs are suited towards what most likely benefits that individual person (especially when it comes to domestic policy).

Therefore, I take the approach that Kerry supporters aren't wrong, that's just their belief.

YOU on the other hand, have not established one single comprehendable collection of thoughts. All you do is bash Bush.

Before you embrass yourself further by throwing out comments about "ignoring ignorance" establish a basis for your beliefs and be able to speak intelligently about them.

By no means, am I claiming to be a political guru; however, the differnce is, I am not out there solidfying my political beliefs in blatant propaganda.

:huh:

the fact of the matter is that bush has hidden agendas and the media is ignoring them. At least i'm paying attention to what he is doing. Time will tell how history looks back at this trustfunding daddies boy. give it 10 years and you'll see.

to make you and alot of other people happy I will stop ranting.

The air emmissions thing is hogwash. Clinton PROPOSED tighter restrictions, but did not get them signed and into the books. Bush ESTABLISHED tighter air emmissions restrictions that were not as restrictive as what Clinton PROPOSED.

There were a couple of reasons for this. First we were in a terrible recession, and tighter regulations would have caused plant closures in an already tech bubble weakened economy.

Second the restrictions on power plants at that time would have really f-ed up the power grid. Do you remember losing power in the northeast blackout last year? Left wing whackos have kept America from rebuilding its electric power system. While not building new nuclear power plants sounds great, it has caused wood and coal burning plants to stay on line. Those are where the mercury in fish are coming from. Wind power sounds great, but everybody says not in my back yard.

Bush sucks!

I think his above topic tells me everyhting I want to ever know about stormfish...:smash:

It seems that I am forced to say it again. "4 More Years"

Point proved with the "trustfund daddies boy" comment....

JOKE......

And Kerry is NOT a trust fund boy?

Please, how many homes does the ketchip man own? How many SUVs? Private plane(s)?

And he didn't just marry wealthy..

Come on.

The emissions "reduction" on power plants that should have been passed and was nixed in favor of far more relaxed standards because other emissions sources were being reduced, like auto emissions. When more states enacted the more stringent auto emissions standards (that we all ultimately pay for in the price of a new vehicle) to REDUCE emissions, this reduced emissions was turned into a credit and applied to the power companies. So we paid for it anyway.

These relaxed rules make it so someone like Brayton Point - the biggest polutter in the SE new england - do not need to clean up their act. And they DO have a negative impact on this region

I may need to go back and look this up, but....

Didn't Clinton propose a 90% reduction in emmissions by 2008?

An didn't Bush scale that back to somewhere in the range of 50-75% by 2008?

How is this BAD? Is this not better than what was being put out by these plants in the past?

This debate always gets turned around to sound like the current administration has INCREASED pollution. Of course they haven't. What they did was get a law passed that reduces pollution.

Are the rivers and oceans cleaner than they were in the 50s, 60, 70, 80s and 90s? I think so, and the new 2008 restrictions will make them even cleaner in the future.

FWIW the mercury contamination comes mostly from the coal fired plant. I am for closing them in exchange for a clean burning fuel.

Originally posted by Tacklebox7
Point proved with the "trustfund daddies boy" comment....

JOKE......

Fact

All I can say! 4 More Years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 more years of fear, currupt government spending, the highest national deficit in history, the most secretive presidential cabinet in history, the most jobs lost since herbert Hoover...the leasat lack of international supprt... yes 4 more years.

Yes 4- more years and more seats on the house and senate floor :)

John Kerry should be put on trial for the war crimes he admitted to committing.:D

I don't think there's any doubt that Bush's energy policy is designed to benefit business profit ahead of environmental protection. There's simply no excuse for ignoring science and insisting global warming doesn't exist.

Plants like Brayton Point are a serious health risk to locals (like me) and are only allowed to operate because of greased pockets. Brayton Point is a massive cash cow for PG&E and belches out more pollution than any other plan in NE I believe.

Bush has replaced a host of Govt regulators with former special interest representatives. The wolves are literally guarding the hen house. In North Dakota recently EPA scientists laughed at a proposal to build a new coal burning plan because the state was already exceeding govt clean air restrictions. Rather than use new cleaner technology the power company just used new math to show they wouldn't be polluting. The scientists ruling was overturned by EPA officials planted by the Administration.

As for Bush and his Air Guard service. I believe most objective people believe Bush skipped out of the Guard and used connections to get his spot initially as well as get out early.

I don't really care, nor do I care about Kerry going overboard with his war protests. They both made mistakes, it was 35 years ago and it's old news.

Slap, the warcrimes thing is stooopid. Find a real issue to talk about :rolleyes:

-spence

I think "Bush Sucks" is stupid.

AWOL (questionable) vs war crimes (testified to be tru)- I'll take AWOL, thank you

um... i dont think kerry participated in any warcrimes. What he did was go to the senate and speak out agianst the war crimes that were going on in Nam.

Kerry Sucks! Sorry for the lack of content but i just wanted to parcipate in this thread!:laughs:

:D kerry kinda sucks too...There I admit it..... skip are you happy? :(

Here's is what I have to say about Bush and the Air National Guard.

If you rag about him skipping out of the war and praise John Kerry for going to war then think about this...

If you're not in the military now, If you havn't spent your time in Afganistan or Iraq ... you sir are a HYPOCRITE !!!!

sorry Chief, but going AWOL for a whole year is a hell of a lot worse than speaking out agianst the crimes that americans were commiting in vietnam..

kerry kinda sucks too...There I admit it..... skip are you happy?


Skip very happy now:D There is no perfect candidate i guess...Even Bush has alot of ideas and such i dont care for.

Originally posted by Eben
:huh:

to make you and alot of other people happy I will stop ranting.

Hell no, Eben - keep going - I love a prolonged squack when it's necessary -

And, boy, is it needed in this case :hs:

Bil Clinton was the ultimate draft dodger yet the left never ripped him for that. Will Kerry come out soon and rip Bubba for being a draft dodger? Has he ever said anything about that? somehow i dont think so:smash:

Sorry Eben

Coming back to the the states and talking smack about all your shipmates and fellow americans in front of the Senate is about a million times worse than going AWOL.

It's like kissing Jane Fonda.

This thread is a perfect illustration of the problems of American politics today. Partisanism is killing our contry's political system. Each side is out to get the other, and it's beome a big contest to make the other side look as bad as possible. Who cares about actually accomplishing something, let's just blindly stick by one side without really figuring out what they stand for and bash the other side. Forget all about determining what is best for this country and acting on it when you can just bash the other side. Partisan politics is really holding us back. We need to move back to a system where politicians look to help the country before they look to help their own party interests.

This countries politics are a freakin joke !!!!!!!!
hey both of you jerks and lets not forget ralphie boy . what the hell are you going to do for US ? instead of yourselves and your future Libraries ?

vote option D

vote option D [/B][/QUOTE] ???

That must be Perot!!!

option D = none of the above

Originally posted by Navy Chief
It's like kissing Jane Fonda.


I'd Kiss Jane Fonda....especially if she has that little Barbarella outfit on..... Yeah Baby,,,,Yeah!

Originally posted by Navy Chief
Sorry Eben

Coming back to the the states and talking smack about all your shipmates and fellow americans in front of the Senate is about a million times worse than going AWOL.

It's like kissing Jane Fonda.

well if the shipmates behaved and didnt commit those crimes kerry wouldn't have had to do what he did:huh:

im not even bothering reading all 4 pages of posts on this one. I think bush pretty much sucks, and im getting the impression that kerry is in the same boat. He is the most boring guy i have ever seen. He has no charisma at all. I would much rather have W over for a BBQ, he seems like a cool guy. Thats without all the politics. Compasionate conservative, i havent heard him use that term during this campaign, talk bout a flip flop. He shoulda just said hard core conservative, nothing compasionate bout it. Even though i think W is a swell guy i cant really see myself voting for him. Kerry is so boring, lame, kinda ugly and from other america that im not from but his dumb a@# will prolly get my vote anyways.

WHERE are the issues anyways, all i see is a pissing contest about vietnam?

Originally posted by Rob Rockcrawler

WHERE are the issues anyways, all i see is a pissing contest about vietnam?
the issues are this... if you are agianst abortion, agianst gay marriage, agianst stemcell research, agianst higher taxes for the rich, and for world domination(sorry.. couldnt help myself.. if you are for the war agianst terror running the way it is now) vote for bush. The republican convention really spent about 50% bashing kerry, 30% talking about terrorism and 20% talking about domestic usues like the economy, and what they believe is right.. right to life, no stemcell research, no gay marriage)...

Kerry is plan is... no tax hike for people who make under 200 grand but if you make more, you will get back onto the same tax system as clinton had you on... Kerry wants better health plans, he wants to bring jobs back to the U.S. that have been shipped over seas, he wants to actually fight the war on terrorism, like finding osama:smash: and promises an exit plan for iraq...
he wants to mend our relationships with our european allies, he is for gay marriage, he is pro-chice... both of those grant more freedom to those who want to make that choice. Bush's feelings of banning them take away those freedoms.

Thats it in a nutshell. theres more, but like the Hokey Pokey, 'thats what its all about'
hope this helps you.

* also... Bush is very enviromentaly unfriendly... kerry has much more greener views. kerry wants to really push for alternative fuel sources, while Bush is saying the same thing, but has passed laws that limit new technologies to make power only from oil... Bush has been doing alot of this double talk lately.

Seem like a lot of Vietnam vets here on this forum and no support for their collegue Kerry. Bush talks a lot about war but has he fought one? Was he ever in the line of fire??? At that time, he was doing more "blow"ing than Moby #^&#^&#^&#^&. Bush number one has deceived us, and JW is no better... All I'm saying is, "Let's not get Bushed again!"

I'll have to say it again "4 MORE YEARS".

I thought the Liberals hated guns?! Nice try John but we aint buying that photo op!:smash:

Seem like a lot of Vietnam vets here on this forum and no support for their collegue Kerry. Bush talks a lot about war but has he fought one? Was he ever in the line of fire??? At that time, he was doing more "blow"ing than Moby #^&#^&#^&#^&. Bush number one has deceived us, and JW is no better... All I'm saying is, "Let's not get Bushed again!"


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Just because Kerry served in Vietnam doesnt meen he will be a good president people! I dont believe Lincoln or FDR ever saw combat....and they turned out to be damn good presidents. Thats such a stupid liberal argument. My neigbor served in Vietnam so does that meen he can be president too:smash:

Originally posted by Skip N
My neigbor served in Vietnam so does that meen he can be president too:smash:

he'd probably be a better choice than the choices we have now:smash:

Vote for my dad, he did 21 years inc 2 FULL years of river patrol in Nam.

Also he was not dumb enough to shot himself while he was there like one of our candidates did.

Skip N & Eben

You both can thank a veteran (combat veteran) for being able to sit at your computor in a free society and say what you both want without fear of repercusion.

I had a close friend who was a 1st Lt. on a swift boat from East Bridgewater. I distinctly remember every moment I spent with him. He was very solemn quiet guy. I am sure he went through hell just as every person serving in Vietnam did. Many of the fellows I work with served over there. One guy we call agent orange (jokingly)ecause it refers to his uncontrolable temper tantrums he suffers from relating still to his PTSD all these years later. He was a point man in his marine unit for twelve months.

My point here is no one who really saw any action and had to shoot anyone and knows that the person they shot died would
everreally talk about. Its just something that no true combat veteran would do, whether his service was in Vietnam or anywhere else in a time when our soldiers fought. Nobody certainly,unless an ulterior motive was afoot and a plan hatched would ever have someone follow them around with an 8 mm camera taking black and white home movies of them walking around with a m16 in there hands. Kerry used his cohorts then and he is using them now. The only thing my buddie brought home was a one and two quart a day Cheves Regal problem. No 8 mm films and I'll bet my friend got into more dung than Kerry did.

W has his problems too. He did what every other kid in the guard did, screw off. But at least hedidn't run to Canada like so many cowardsdid then and would now if their number was drawn in a draft lottery. W never held up his servicerecord to everyones scrutinylike Kerry stupidly did. I mean you can't serve in Vietnam, use that service to get elected to public office, and then turn around and say my buddies were murderers.If his buddies were murderers so wasn't Kerry.

I think the government should bring back the draft. That would separate the men from the cowards. Men are respected and cowards are not. It is easy to draw a line in the sand between those two kinds of people. Everyone wants to hang out with men and no one would be caught near a coward.

Their is much to much gray area now. To many people and groups justify the failure of so many people doing things that in the near past we consider socially unacceptable. Things both minor and major in nature. To many people turn their backs and walk away from abhorent behavior if it doesn't directly impact them. Let the other guy do something about it. Let him stand up for me and if he doesn't oh well. If I stick my head in the sand a little further I wont see whats going on. Kerry has been doing just that since he was elected to his first public office. He hasn't done anything in Washington. He hasn't done anything to get himself in trouble. That was and is his sole purpose the last twelve years, don't get into trouble and find every running TV camera nearby. :D

Originally posted by Don Corleone
We need to move back to a system where politicians look to help the country before they look to help their own party interests.
And there in lies the answer.Only problem is, that takes Satesmen not politicians.When was the last time you saw a politician not vote his own wallet or go the easy route rather then lose votes?I am afraid it is almost impossible to get a true Statesman into a high office because by the time they get there they owe all the favors that got them there.So the politicians win by promising their constiuents a pot in every kitchen and a chicken in every pot, their party, and others ,the favors that got them there. We aren't much better, as we vote for the guy who is going to put the biggest chicken in our pot and continue to vote our own wallet.

Originally posted by Swimmer
Skip N & Eben


W has his problems too. He did what every other kid in the guard did, screw off. But at least hedidn't run to Canada like so many cowardsdid then and would now if their number was drawn in a draft lottery. W never held up his servicerecord to everyones scrutinylike Kerry stupidly did. I mean you can't serve in Vietnam, use that service to get elected to public office, and then turn around and say my buddies were murderers.If his buddies were murderers so wasn't Kerry.

:D

Are you implying that Bush is not trying to win votes with war? He rode in a jet after Shock and Awe. He has a controversial campaign ad taking credit for sending teams to the Olympics. Iraq and Afghanistan sportsmen plea that he remove it, but I see it everyday. And if using war wasn't important to Bush why would the Bush campaign pressure swift boat vets to ruin Kerry's war reputation? Didn't one of Bush's campaign staff resigned and admitted that the Bush campaign was pressuring Kerry's vet collegues to lie?

Honestly, I don't think Bush would win this year as more youths and minorities are voting. And today's youths and minorities tend to have the democratic state of mind.

Honestly, I don't think Bush would win this year as more youths and minorities are voting. And today's youths and minorities tend to have the democratic state of mind.

Yea they are mostly friggen morons. Im 24 years old and trust me i know the kind of people my age that will be voting for Kerry. They are some sad SOB's! Uninformed and believe most of the Liberal talking points and what they here on the news they assume is totally fact. Not to mention MTV is sooooooo far left its sickening....Wounder if that has a lot to do with why young poeple vote Dem:rolleyes: Thats the ONLY point of view most of them know. :smash:

I always joke around with my friends that the best president would be someone who really didnt want to be president.. just a normal intelegent person elected by the people.. George washington dodnt want to be president, but his contemporaries urged him into it...

Originally posted by Eben
I always joke around with my friends that the best president would be someone who really didnt want to be president.. just a normal intelegent person elected by the people.. George washington dodnt want to be president, but his contemporaries urged him into it...

my sentiments exactly:)

hey! We agree on something! :kewl:

i heard of women voting because clinton looked good? WTF

at least with KERRY we shouldn't have to worry about that LOL

Originally posted by Skip N


Yea they are mostly friggen morons. Im 24 years old and trust me i know the kind of people my age that will be voting for Kerry. They are some sad SOB's! Uninformed and believe most of the Liberal talking points and what they here on the news they assume is totally fact. Not to mention MTV is sooooooo far left its sickening....Wounder if that has a lot to do with why young poeple vote Dem:rolleyes: Thats the ONLY point of view most of them know. :smash:

And voting for Bush is the intelligent thing? Bush has no brain cells! This is a man who on inauguration announce that the US will be going into a recession, which Allen Greenspan wasn't too fond of.

You cannot come out being 'against' gays, pro choice and hope to win votes from the youths.

Originally posted by Skip N


Im 24 years old and trust me i know the kind of people my age that will be voting for Kerry. They are some sad SOB's! Uninformed and believe most of the Liberal talking points and what they here on the news they assume is totally fact.
Skip N and you're so intelligent yourself? You sound like a guy that watches too much Fox News.

Originally posted by Eben
I always joke around with my friends that the best president would be someone who really didnt want to be president.. just a normal intelegent person elected by the people.. George washington dodnt want to be president, but his contemporaries urged him into it...

I Agree w/ that also....But unfortunately that will never happen.

Those kind of people are to Smart to run. They don't want there entire Personal Life disembowled, or their Integrity completely destroyed, By the Media and the other Party's Campaign antics.

You notice I didn't specify a party as they are both pretty digusting in my opinion as to how they tear down each other.

:huh:

the fact of the matter is that bush has hidden agendas and the media is ignoring them. At least i'm paying attention to what he is doing. Time will tell how history looks back at this trustfunding daddies boy. give it 10 years and you'll see.

to make you and alot of other people happy I will stop ranting.

:(

and speaking of chickens....

why haven't we crossed a chicken with and Ostrich yet?
so we'll all need a march larger pot and have plenty of left overs....to feed anyone who's hungry.

There's insulation made right now that would make the burning of heating oil almost obsolete.... where did that technology disappear to... i wonder.

Electric cars are here in 2010 -> 20 years too late. :realmad:

George Bush should be dressed in a clown suit and shot out a gigantic cannon into the Atlantic ocean ..This would be the greatist thing he's done as Prezzz :kewl: