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We know the truth. George Bush's failed record is the result of George Bush's failed policies. And he chose time and again to do nothing to improve our economy or ease the burden on middle class families. In fact, nearly every choice has made it worse. You can even say that George Bush is proud of the fact that not even failure can cause him to change his mind. This is the man who promised his tax cuts would create 6 million new jobs. Today, three tax cuts later, we've lost a million -- seven million jobs short of his prediction. To George Bush, stubborn leadership is steady leadership. But as far as I'm concerned, George Bush's failures are the result of misplaced values and wrong choices that always give more and more to those with the most and tells the middle-class "you are not the priority."
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How true
:D

Easy to persuade the public with misplaced figures. Kerry's plan is......? I guess he left that part out.

kerry's plan is 2 fail and then say he was against it from the start ;P or he was against it before he was for it.
bush's plan is to let cheney handle it :D

I can't wait... I wonder how many times Kerry will mention Vietnam?

First presidential debate:
Thursday, September 30
University of Miami
Coral Gables, FL

Vice presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 5
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, OH


Second presidential debate:
Friday, October 8
Washington University
in St. Louis

Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 13
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ

John Kerry keeps on saying the same old $hit over and over and over and over and over again. He never say just what he'll do,
except for the fact , that he would do things different. Not better,
just different. How can anyone vote for someone that won't say exactly what he's going to do. He's the Biggest A$$HOLE on the face of this earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny, I don't seem to have a problem understanding Kerry. Perhaps you're just not listening?

-spence

Originally posted by "uffah!!"
John Kerry keeps on saying the same old $hit over and over and over and over and over again. He never say just what he'll do,

Wow, I think a year or so ago we heard the same crap over and over about WMD's but they never turned up now did they?

Thats because W listened to the A$$HOLES that were left over
from the Clinton administration that he didn't replace. Now there
the one that are doing the most complaining. Whats that old
saying? "Every dog smells his own $hit first"

You may understand what Kerry says today.

Trying to figure out what it will mean tomarrow is the problem.

Thats right uffah... keep dodging blame. :D

vote lever D " NONE OF THE ABOVE "

I just went to Kerry's web site and read thru his plan to fix all that is wrong with the country. Basically he says that the current admin is wrong and he will fix it but does not lay out a plan on how he will do it.

There was an economist on CNN a few day's ago, very interesting. He was a liberal so you can stop the BS about him lying. According to him he has gone thru Kerry's numbers for all the plans he has stated he will put in place and the money it will cost. For every one of the plans Kerry said he would pay for them by repealing the Bush tax cut's. Well according to Kerry's number's the plans he will put in place will cost 5 time's more then he said repealing the tax cut's will bring in. What I want to know is where will this extra cash come from? Also I keep hearing about the great plans he has and that he will do it right but no one can lay them out. Is it some big secret? Is it only released to Dem's? If he is so great why can't someone tell me what he will do, how he will do it, and how he will pay for it? I have asked some of these thing's before and gotten a bunch of BS about how bad Bush is, if that is all you can post don't bother, maybe you should take that time and find out where your candidate really stands on the issues if that is possible.

Thank You
KL

Been listening to Imus lately, a month ago he was a Kerry supporter, now he is undecided. He says Kerry is a big liar, making empty campaign promises.
Appartly Imus interviewed Kerry this am and asked what his plan was to get out of Iraq, Kerry responed, why dont you ask Pres Bush what HIS plan is.
That is not an appropriate response from someone looking to be pres of the US. I missed the interview but Imus was talking about it with Lou Dobbs afterwards.

there is one candidate this election. george w bush, the other guy is just gona sit there and criticize his policies without having any of his own. he expected to lose to dean, he never made plans to be pres. if he gets elected WE ARE ALL F*&^%$.
and fyi no im not a bush supporter, i think hes an imbecile

But wait, there's still a chance for to vote in a candidate other than Dubya or Kerry for the presidency. These guys come as a pair, rarely sling anything heavier than 4 oz (not mud, generally wood rubber or metal), their only controversy over battle would be who won the last rock fight they had with each other, and if elected there will be no need for a barber on the White House Staff, although the savings from that salary will probably just about cover their liquor bill for the four year term. I give you your next President and Vice Presidential hopefuls...

After reading some of the post's from that pair, if they are elected all I have to say is GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!:laughs:

The people who will vote for Kerry on Nov. will not do so because they like him...Its becuase for whatever reason they have this burning hatred for Bush. Wish they could take some of that hatred and put it towards the real enemy were are facing now. Radical islam terroists. Bush is not the evil one like the left likes to make you think. And yes. i have not heard Kerry say that much what he will do. He seems to spend most of him time bashing W. I dont know if thats enough to get him elected:smash:

if thats not enough to get him elected, he also got a bunch of medals. He was in vietnam:confused: :smash:

Thats right...Kerry has to be elected becuase he served in Vietnam:rolleyes: But Bill Clinton hid in Canada and he got elected. me confused at how liberals think:confused:

Don't worry skip they don't know ether.

:hs:

Don't worry skip they don't know ether.

so true!:D I meen if Kerry is the typical liberal then they change thier minds on a daily basis about issues. Ah the left....they do amuse me thats for sure!:laughs:

just wants to turn the USA into england!

i for one like to live in the USA thats why i am here. if i wanted england rules i would move.

:topic: :mad:

Here is one for ya

I want a pair of these.

:laughs:

:confused:

Come on Eben they have established that is a doctored photo. Need I bring out the pick of Clinton looking thru binoculars with the lens cap on? That was documented the story from the press that went with it said he looked a long time at the thing that were being pointed out to him saying yup I see it.

Cute pictures. Can you guys actually articulate one of Kerry's alleged flip flops, or are you just believing what you're told?

-spence

He voted for the war in iraq before he voted againstv it whver the hell that meens:smash: Not to long ago he said after all the stuff he new about iraq he still would have voted to go to war...yet recently he has been saying bush lied about all the circumstances leading to the war. Wich one is it???!! Did he support the use of force like he said....or does he not support the use of force like he said? cant have it both ways Johney:smash:

Originally posted by Skip N
He voted for the war in iraq before he voted againstv it whver the hell that meens. Not to long ago he said after all the stuff he new about iraq he still would have voted to go to war...yet recently he has been saying bush lied about all the circumstances leading to the war. Wich one is it???!! Did he support the use of force like he said....or does he not support the use of force like he said? cant have it both ways
Well, Kerry never really said he would have still voted to go to war, he said he would still vote to give the President the authority so he would have that option.

There is a subtle difference that is very important. If you remember the context back then, the hawks in the administration were telling the President to just invade and screw the UN. The President went before Congress and promised to go to the UN, build a coalition like in Desert Storm, and put a war vote before the UN. In return the President asked for the approval of Congress to use force, the idea being for the UN process to work there must be a real threat of war behind it.

Kerry was a huge proponent if holding Saddam accountable, but he also insisted it be done properly. The reality is that Bush abandoned the UN process when it became clear we didn't have the evidence to justify the threat as was laid out. Bush didn't build a strong coalition and didn't put the war vote before the UN as promised. Bush did mislead the country on Iraq.

So Kerry isn't really trying to have it both ways, it's just that your opinion of the situation has been formed not by Kerry, but by Bush. They have done a brilliant job of twisting his record and Kerry has done a terrible job of fighting back.

The Bush Administration took a risk that we could remove Saddam with a moderate force and get out quickly. They were wrong at just about every turn. Even today they don't talk about the violence much, even though our troops are being attacked and are dying every day. They don't talk about how the violence is getting worse every day. They insist the Generals in Iraq arn't asking for more troops, when in reality they are. They don't talk about the fact that the new Iraqi Government is not seen as legitimate. They won't discuss how we're not really giving Iraq Democracy as that would instantly lead to a Shiite majority. They don't talk about the fact the estimated number of insurgents has nearly quadrupeled in the past 6 months. They don't talk about the fact that they have yet to train very many Iraqi police and military, but they do say they've fully trained over 200,000 which is a lie Joe Biden exposed this week.

This isn't pessimisim, it's reality. Things in Iraq are not going well and it's directly related to our invading without planning, without International support and without enough troops. Saddam did need to be held accountable, but there was no urgency that said we had to go that spring. UN sanctions and the no fly zones had removed most of Saddam's ability to even think about WMD and the links to al Qaida were of no substance to be any threat.

All this time we could have using our military and economic might to combat real and urgent dangers from terrorisim. Working to better sucure our ports, our borders and our airlines. Working to combat the spread of radical Islam and the ability of al Qaida cells to regroup. Working to end nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran.

Instead we went chasing after non-existant WMD's in Iraq and perhaps to settle an old score. How many Administration insiders have come forth and said that Bush and Cheney were completely absorbed with Iraq from Sept 12th on? Lots...

The real motivation for Iraq is the neo-conservative idea that we can win the war on terror through direct American leadership (i.e. military domination). Some might say transform the Middle East by "spreading democracy". The major flaw in this idea is that it's A - extremely imperialistic and B - extremely stupid. The preisdent has chosen to spread Democracy not by extending the hand of Lady Liberty, but by packaging Democracy inside 2000 pounds of high explosives. As long as we are seen as the invaders, every bomb we drop and every round we fire will create more insurgents and a larger recruitment pool for al Qaida.

To win Iraq we need to leave. We can't just cut and run obviously, but we must have a clear plan to remove the American face from the occupation. Internationalization will help tremendously, as will active Arab and Islamic participation from neighbors. We must provide an incentive for our allies to provide troops and invest in the rebuilding of Iraq. Not give no-bid contracts to Halliburton and tell the rest of the UN they don't get to participate because they didn't support us when we walked away from the UN.

John Kerry understands this, Bush doesn't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the President's priorities are not where they should be.

-spence

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Spence, I would have said that word for word...

Wah cry the libs.Same old sh*t different day.

Basswipe, thanks for the heartfelt retort.

Do you even know what a liberal is ?

-spence

Originally posted by spence
Basswipe, thanks for the heartfelt retort.

Do you even know what a liberal is ?

-spence

better yet how about a 'neo-conservative'... these guys are making the liberals look conservative:hihi:

Spence not for nothing but if you were senator, and you were dead set against the war, would you really have voted to give the president the authority to go? You Rhody guys should take a lesson from us M#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s, if we don't trust the guy why should you? The guy is a scam artist. He had a stock portfolio at the beggining of his campaign that did not have one AMERICAN Company in it. When he got wind that someone was going to break a story about it, he quickly liquidated what he had , and started buying stock in American companies. If the polls said we should hang Clinton, Kerry would bring the rope, and then tell evryone that Bill brought it himself. At least Bush has the guts to go in one direction, and stand by his decisions, good or bad.


Oh, by the way the state legislators are crying about Romney doing some campaign stuff for GW. Apparently they did not want him to speak in NY, or anywhere else, he should be here doing his job. Yet they fully support Kerry campaigning, and not attending to his senatorial duties. Kerry should have resigned once he got the nod. Another democratic double standard.

Kerry's by no means perfect, but I do believe he understands how to solve some fundamental problems.

Bush doesn't change direction period. He would drive off a cliff rather than hit the brakes. This is extremely reckless and makes you wonder what his real motivations are.

As much as a scam artist you might think Kerry is, I've seen what a scam artist Bush has been as President the past 4 years. In just about every facet of policy he has said one thing and done another.

-spence

I still have not seen anyone state his position other that bashing Bush and saying he would do it better!!!

When you've got a president that's this bad in office, it really doesnt matter what the otherguy stands for.. I'd vote in Alfred E Newman over bush anyday....

And yet another evasion tactic. You must not know what he will do or how he will do it ether.

Multiple targets, Tiverton and Wakefield

Read this interview, just yesterday, and please tell me one thing, just one, that Kerry says he'll really do and why it will work. His responses are utter nonsense.
He cannot even run a successful campaign, how can he run a country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6009011/

Vote Bombas!

Imus couldn't even figure out what Kerry said.

What a waffle.

I understand him perfectly... maybe My private school education has givin me the edge:hihi:

The Ted Kennedy Brain-wash the Democratic children vocational Institute ?

umm no.

what Garrison Keeler from lake woobegon said the other day :D link (http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/979/)

I understand him perfectly... maybe My private school education has givin me the edge


Remind me not to send my kids to that school when i have them someday. :smash:

Ebon I know why you Hate Bush so much.....You go to all the lefty websites and thats all you get for information. I will check a right wing site or two but i take the info there with agrain of salt becuase of course there are agendas. You need to be more diverse with were you get your info. Oh my i god i used the word "diverse"!!! Thats such a Liberal phrase! I think im losing it!!:D :laughs:

Originally posted by Skip N


Remind me not to send my kids to that school when i have them someday. :smash:

send them if you want them to think for themselves. Dont send them if you want them to follow the pack.

I hate bush because he is a robot. Kerry flip flops because when things change, his decisions chaange. for instance, he voted to go to war before bush went to the UN... when it turned out that bush's excuses were bogus and the UN sais no, Kerry said no too... any inteligent person would make the same decision. Regime change starts at home:smash:

and then he said he go to war, don't go to war,
go to war, don't go to war,
go to war, don't go to war,
go to war, don't go to war,
go to war, don't go to war,
go to war, don't go to war,
She loves me , loves me not
She loves me , loves me not
She loves me , loves me not
She loves me , loves me not
She loves me , loves me not
She loves me , loves me not

I think he spends to much time pulling pedals off daisy's

The UN did not say no because they thought Bush was lying....The UN said no just like they always do. They are Puss@^@ and have the same mindset as you do and think every conflict can be solved with diplomacy wich is not the case. How many times did the UN get jerked around by Saddam? Finally someone said enough is enough and took action. We would still be jerking around with UN for god knows how long if we didnt take action.

Sometimes its the bigger pussy that throws the first punch skip. :bshake:

Or the one thats got the most to lose,,,,,,

UN= useless nitwits.

OHmygawd Jimbo,
That was a hailarious picture!
Muckrakers would have a field day with me and Mikey though.
I'd have to be the president.
Later,
Rick

Sometimes its the bigger pussy that throws the first punch skip.

Not in this case:laughs:

Oh yea, Just wait until the big oil for food scandel breaks and you find out how corrupt the UN really is. :smash: Yea, thats who i wanna trust to protect america:rolleyes:

Vote with your wallet, not fear, vote Kerry.

No outsourcing.

Great looking dog redsoxticket!:)

Eben - thanks again for starting another thread that has left all of us who read it dumber....

At this point, I read these posts for the humor, ahh but what the hell......


RE: No outsourcing - Last time I checked we lived in a global economy. Outsourcing is not a choice, its a fact of life, business can not survive on isolationism. Outlawing or whatever it is you suggest for outsourcing to be blunt is a cop-out. Be more competitive; banning outsourcing does nothing but eliminate competition. Are you afraid to compete or just lazy?

In regards to the comments about "think with your wallet and not your fear" or something like that..........

......1.5 million jobs created since August - unemployment is below the average of the 1970's, 80's and 90's. The massive job loss was the result of a market anomoly created by the tech market. How many people do you know sat around playing fooseball at work burning VC money at a record rate - prohibiting future investmetn in new technology and new job creation..... PRICELINE - perfect example - that worked well....

Oh and FYI - household wealth is near a record high.... You are right think with you wallet...

Finally, someone refered to the Imus clip from the other day.... Here it is....

IMUS: "Do you think there are any circumstances we should have gone to war in Iraq, any?" KERRY: "Not under the current circumstances, no. There are none that I see. I voted based on weapons of mass destruction. The President distorted that, and I've said that. I mean, look, I can't be clearer. But I think it was the right vote based on what Saddam Hussein had done, and I think it was the right thing to do to hold him accountable. I've said a hundred times, there was a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. The president chose the wrong way. Can't be more direct than that."

SOMETIMES IT JUST A MATTER OF CHOOSING THE LESS OF TWO EVILS...... Unfortunately, a 4 star general that favors flat tax is not running......

Originally posted by Tacklebox7

Finally, someone refered to the Imus clip from the other day.... Here it is....

IMUS: "Do you think there are any circumstances we should have gone to war in Iraq, any?" KERRY: "Not under the current circumstances, no. There are none that I see. I voted based on weapons of mass destruction. The President distorted that, and I've said that. I mean, look, I can't be clearer. But I think it was the right vote based on what Saddam Hussein had done, and I think it was the right thing to do to hold him accountable. I've said a hundred times, there was a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. The president chose the wrong way. Can't be more direct than that."


that makes perfect sense. hes saying that Bush said we should go to war because saddam had WMDs.. Kerry voted to give bush the authority to go to war before bush went to the UN. After Bush went to the UN it became obvious that the intel was bogus and Bush then flip floped and said that Iraq was a player in 9/11.. the UN didnt buy that, so Bush said 'screw you' and went to war anyway... after this Kerry's thought process was the intel was bogus and we shouldnt go to war. he then voted agianst the funding for the war because it was not a loan and it was loaded with pork to go to haliburton... any intelegent person would have done the same thing.

We were lied to.

LOL - LITERALLY.....

The outsourcing must stop.

There are jobs such as electrical and software engineering along with the medical field that are being displaced to countries like India.
I work for a defense company which has many military programs and the outsourcing is shrinking our pool of engineers which design and manufacture military equipment. Just go to the universaties and you will see mostly Asians, Mideast, Indians and fewer americans every year. Like you said Tatlebox we are getting dumber just keep outsourcing.

Your own man said it.....

"Benedict Arnold does not refer to somebody who in the normal course of business is going to go overseas and take jobs overseas. That happens. I support that. I understand that." ("Excerpts From An Interview With John Kerry, The Wall Street Journal, 5/3/04)


In regards to your comments about go to the universities... I think your misconception is that those foreign students you refer to are probably Indian Americans, Asian Americans, etc....

and what are we suppose to do, shut down the borders, no imports / no exports...

Originally posted by Tacklebox7

and what are we suppose to do, shut down the borders, no imports / no exports...

See this is why you robots crack me up... everything is black or white. You dont close the boarders, you impose tarriffs and insentives to make it not worth while to outsource.

Have you even heard of Tarrifs??? we've used tarrifs in the past and we can use them agian. do some research on Japanese motorcycles impact on Harley davidson, and the impact on harley after we imposed tarrifs on the jap bikes..

oh, heres what your man's dad said a while back about attacking Iraq durring desert storm.

"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater instability." - GeorgeH.W.%$%$%$%$%$ A World Transformed, 1998

also I recomend you stop reading my posts, i'd hate to see you get any dummer:bshake:

Those students are at the universities with student visas.
I know because I've been there for 8 years.
The students achieve there master and PhD degrees then go back to their country which most likely sponsored these students. If there are any of these foreign students on this forum I must applaud you and say that most seem to be very studiest.

I went to RPI, where it was mostly foreign students. The reason is that they WANT to be there, to get an education - to get an engineering degree from a top school. American kids, don't have the same commitment. Most of us were busy getting drunk or trying to get laid. Thats the difference.

Nothing really political about that, hard to blame that on one particular administration or use the term "outsourcing".

My borther was there in 2001. He said that shortly after 9/11 quite a few of the middle eastern students just disappeared.:confused:

Originally posted by slapshot
He said that shortly after 9/11 quite a few of the middle eastern students just disappeared.:confused:
They may have not been allowed back in the country when they went home. They tightened up a lot of student visas after 9/11.

-spence

Im not the expert on job outsourcing but i will say there should be a law about outsourcing computer tech people to foreign countries.....Oh my god it was a nightmare calling Sony for computer help.....I couldnt understand anything they were trying to say to me!! Thick foriegn accents....I felt so rude having them repeat themselves a million times becuase they made no sense!:smash: Ok so i sound like to biggest meenie ripping on these people but damn, please speak my language:rolleyes:

simple dont buy there product then and let them know why.


Originally posted by Skip N
Im not the expert on job outsourcing but i will say there should be a law about outsourcing computer tech people to foreign countries.....Oh my god it was a nightmare calling Sony for computer help.....I couldnt understand anything they were trying to say to me!! Thick foriegn accents....I felt so rude having them repeat themselves a million times becuase they made no sense!:smash: Ok so i sound like to biggest meenie ripping on these people but damn, please speak my language:rolleyes:

Hey Eben.....


"... any intelegent person would have done the same thing."


Yeah, you are right AND you back it up so well........

At this point, I duck out of this. Please dont think it is b/c some brain fart statement against Bush shut me up, its purely out of respect for the forum and what it is suppose to be used for and at the wishes of the moderator.......

Let's talk fishing.......

I got one thissssssssss big this morning.....and another one got away that HAD to be the Mass. State record....


P.S. Striprman - You ever hear of a taco? Sorry, I still found his posts funnier then all heck.....

I would love to talk fishing with you, but when someone who rarey posts enters a thread I started and talks like that to me, I will adress them in the same mannor. I'm sure your a bright guy.
Striperman was funny I admit it.


Originally posted by Tacklebox7
Hey Eben.....


"... any intelegent person would have done the same thing."


Yeah, you are right AND you back it up so well........

At this point, I duck out of this. Please dont think it is b/c some brain fart statement against Bush shut me up, its purely out of respect for the forum and what it is suppose to be used for and at the wishes of the moderator.......

Let's talk fishing.......

I got one thissssssssss big this morning.....and another one got away that HAD to be the Mass. State record....


P.S. Striprman - You ever hear of a taco? Sorry, I still found his posts funnier then all heck.....