Seems Curt Schilling is gonna be campaigning for a certain Republican presidential canditate this week. I always knew there was something about that fellow i liked other than his baseball skills:D He endorsed W on Good morning America this AM i hear. Not trying to start chit again! just thought it was rather interesting:D

Tom Brady is also a G.W. supporter.;)

Originally posted by BigBo
Tom Brady is also a G.W. supporter.;)

Now that i did not know

Of course they would want a republican in office... A democrat's tax hike would cost them hundreds of thousands a year. Hundreds of thousands that could go to schools that are broke, paving roads that are riddled with potholes, or even into programs that save the enviroment.

it would be a shame though if their taxes went up... I mean 12 hummers in the garage... come on!!! I want 15:smash:

I found Schillings initial endorsement a bit out of place. He seems like the classic "supports Bush because of religion" sort of guy.

-spence

Sorry but the redsox proved to me many years ago that god would not answer my prayers...

Originally posted by Skip N
Seems Curt Schilling is gonna be campaigning for a certain Republican presidential canditate this week. I always knew there was something about that fellow i liked other than his baseball skills:D He endorsed W on Good morning America this AM i hear. Not trying to start chit again! just thought it was rather interesting:D



:eek: :( :o

dont worry katie. Just because someone can throw a ball, doesnt mean they know more than you about what is right and wrong.
And voting for someone soley because of their religous beliefs while ignoring all of the other things, is about the most foolish thing you could do.

Yea anyone who believes in God must be a right wing nut:rolleyes: Schill is a big military supportor and a HUGE WWII buff. He knows what it takes to crush the terroists and who is best to lead at this time. One other thing fellas, I am not rich and not big into religion either but have strong family and moral values and just think W is the right guy for the job given the current state of the world. Not a time for some liberal policies that always include global summits and all that crap that gets NOTHING done to solve the problem. In this case people who want us ALL dead. Its funny you guys think anyone who supports W is religious nut. Thats like me saying everyone who supports Kerry is tree hugging communist anti war/ anti military moron. I know some are like that but not most. The republican rich guy religous wacko thing is so old and so not true:smash: And thats coming from a W supporter who is neither of those things. Give Shill some credit for voicing is opinion. I meen the Left has its celebrities why cant you accept that the right has thiers also:smash:

:laughs:

on a more serious reply-
I have issues with all popular people who use their popularity to spread their political beliefs. Yes i am sure if he indorsed "K" I would be happy, but i am always treating any person who makes millions of $$ a year as suspect who indorses a candidate who is going to fight to save them hundreds of thousands a year in tax cuts. The fact is is that if he did day something positive about a democrat, it would be more believable to me because he would be saying this even though if a democtat id elected, it WOULD cost him hundreds of thousands of $$$

Originally posted by Skip N
Thats like me saying everyone who supports Kerry is tree hugging communist anti war/ anti military moron.
Yep thats me, and i'm damn proud of it :tooth:

You Commie!!:D

Just remember....The hollywood guys currentlly campaining for Kerry arent accually poor! Springstein,Kutcher,Striesand, P Diddy and all the other ones arent accually in the poor house...Kinda kills your whole argument. Its just not true that all the rich support W. :smash:

I don't have a problem with rich people speaking their mind, but the timing of Schills comment was a bit out of place.

-spence

Schilling cancelled his appearance with Bush!:huh:

I think you should take a detailed look at the Tax cuts instead of just listening to the Dem spin machine. It would probably surprise you to know that it was a tax cut for every tax bracket to just the riches 1% as Kerry would like you to believe, the only people who did not get a cut are those who make so little that they don't pay tax to begin with. Those are the people who Kerry keeps saying need a tax cut. My question is if you pay 0% how can you get a tax cut??? Yes the richest 1% got the highest % dollar wise, they should they pay the most in dollar wise. Let me make this as easy a possible for you. You have more plug's than i do so by the Dem reasoning I should give none you should give allot and some how they will give me some of what I did not have in the first place. Why not just send me all of your plug's now.

Originally posted by BigFish
Schilling cancelled his appearance with Bush!:huh:

No, his doctors said it wasnt a good idea and he should be resting his ankle and not doing campaign stops. he did say his Bush comments were outta place. But he still stands behind W.

Well said....It kinda makes sense that someone who makes more money will get more money back! Commom sense people! Not to mention they get screwed enough by paying an insane amount percentage wise. It is there money!!! why cant they get some back aslo??

Personally i dont really care much either way. Its the enviroment that i care most about. as an outdoorsman, and an artist, i draw from the outdoors as enjoyment as well as inspiration. the republicans have tried and accomplished in may fields to destroy all the good that Clinton did to try to curb greenhouse gasses, and other forms of polution...
Or, maybe i can put this simpler... our Stripers are being killed every day because of this.


Yes i have a lot of plugs and when I see a kid on the beach who needs one, I will happily give him one. I work hard for my plugs but I know that I have the responsibility to help those out who dont have any...

Kerry is a fake. Did anybody see him wearing the BoSox hat? His favorite player is "Manny Ortiz?" Why not just say you don't follow baseball?

I'll bet every member on the team that is registered to vote will vote for Bush. The man is a liar.

Kerry is a fake
Bush is a fake
politicians are all fakes.

get over it.

Likwid is right...... but which one is the lesser evil?

Schilling is an American. Most of the actors in Hollywood are Americans. They have the same rights as you and I... freeedom of speech. They have a vote to use and an opinion. All Americans do. It is your right to vote for who ever you want regaurdless of what anyone else.... famous or not says. So vote for whoever you want to based on what you believe. Then go fishing.

Originally posted by Eben
the republicans have tried and accomplished in may fields to destroy all the good that Clinton did to try to curb greenhouse gasses, and other forms of polution...
Or, maybe i can put this simpler... our Stripers are being killed every day because of this.

Huh?

I thought it was PCB's, overfishing, and lack of bait and ME that's killing stripers. :hihi: :bshake:

p.s. Eben I'm up in your neck of the woods on Sunday... :happy:

Originally posted by fishweewee
Huh?

I thought it was PCB's, overfishing, and lack of bait and ME that's killing stripers. :hihi: :bshake:

p.s. Eben I'm up in your neck of the woods on Sunday... :happy:

well, yes you have a big part of it, you bass murder you...... but what i'm saying is that the current administration is turning a blind eye to the enviroment. I can see why, were in a war, the economy is sluggish, who cares about the enviroment in times of crisis???? Do you guys know when the snow starts falling in Yellowstone, the gate keepers to the park have to wear resporators and ear protection from all the smog and noise that the snow mobiles produce?? Clinton banned snow mobiles in yellow stone, but you know who has let them back in :smash:

Originally posted by Eben
Clinton banned snow mobiles in yellow stone, but you know who has let them back in :smash:

I wish someone would ban jetskis.

You don't that much of a problem with them in Rhody, but oh, man I can tell you stories about them in Long Island. Let me tell you about the time I got spooled...

actually there is a problem with those things down at NR... they like to wave hop at the mouth and durring the herring run, theres some good fishing there durring daylight. I've been run out of there many times because of those jackass's...:smash:

Theres very few things that i hate more than jetski's....:smash:

let me know about sunday and i'll try to get out-

[i]Originally posted by Eben [/i

Yes i have a lot of plugs and when I see a kid on the beach who needs one, I will happily give him one. I work hard for my plugs but I know that I have the responsibility to help those out who dont have any... [/B]

ima helpless, plugless kid Eben
:crying:

Schilling told Geraldo Rivera that his ankle injury is more serious than any of %$%$%$%$%$%$%$ fake war wounds. :hee:

Haliburton runs the snowmobile concession in Yellowstone.:rolleyes:

I got my newest issue of fly fihing in saltwater magizine and they have been doing profiles on Kerry and Bushs stances on the envirment and fisheries and such. This issue had the Kerry profile and i did not realize he has BIG ties to the commercial fishing industry here in MA. This seemed to be the biggest concern about Kerry in the authors article. Just something to keep in mind Eben....while Kerry may have the edge reagridng envirment issues...I think Kerry could be affecting your SB populataion more than Bushs policies. Just look on the Web maybe they have these artices posted somewere. Def some intersting stuff on both candidates. For me this election is not about some stupid fish and who will be better managing them...For me its about keeping our country safe and i hope this is the main issue for most in these times we are in. Protect the country and its people first....The fish should not be at the top of anyones vote this election if you ask me:smash:

G.W.B said that OBL was "not a concern"
If that is your idea of keeping this country safe then vote for him. He can continue chasing his daddys ghosts in iraq because clearly OBL is not a threat....

Oh, wait.. check todays news.

Skip my problem with the current administration is that they are trying to keep us scared as well as safe. You cant argue that the orange alert terror threats were a ploy at scare tactics, and every allert ended up being a hoax. Its my feelings that we need a president that will keep the country safe, but do it quietly. Not hijack the focus of every american for a week because a muslim in new mexico bought too much fertilizer for his farm... This country needs to 'move on' in a prouder direction and leave all this fear, anger, and revenge behind. I could go on and on about the mistakes GWB has made, but thats not the point. We need to change course and while I agree JK is not the perfect candidate, he is the lesser of 2 evils

Think again:

And lesser by a long shot Eben. I'm completely convinced that Bush is the most arrogant, reckless and potentially corrupt president this country has ever seen. I really hope we don't have to suffer through another 4 years of this inept and self-serving Administration.

It's amazing that people buy into stupid BS like the Kerry image above, without recognizing the litany of lies from the Bush Admin that have caused our country great harm.

And I am still a registered Republican, there's hope...

-spence

Are you saying that the administration shouldn't raise the threat levels? Maybe we should just go back to pre-9/11 thinking and forget about fixing our intel and drop the entire Homeland Security Department.

OBL isn't dead, but he hasn't done anything in 3 years, this fact reveals more work by the current administration than most Americans understand. It also makes the country blasé to threats that still exist. We are currently engaged in a world wide battle against a covert enemy. There are wins and loses in this battle. Our country has not been hit again, this indicates we are winning.

Could you imagine watching Operation Overlord on live TV. How would America deal with that? We would have have pulled out of WWII and you would now be typing in German.

You watch the news and they talk about 300,000 lbs of explosives that are missing in Iraq. Give me a break, they started with about 300 billion pounds. This is about as significant as Bill Gates donating $5 to charity.

A threat still exist and it needs the attention of everyone. Our current administration has done an awesome job. Don't even think that the warning levels are raised for a political purpose, that is done with the purpose of warning the first responders, security forces and the American public. To not follow this protocal would be derelict.

Just like on south park, we have a choice between a douche bag, and a turd sandwhich:D

Bush's original comment came while U.S. forces in Afghanistan (news - web sites) were searching for the Al Qaeda leader, who had eluded joint American-Afghan military operations designed to find him.

"We haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is," Bush said during the 2002 news conference. "I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run.

"I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country," Bush continued. "I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his Al Qaeda killers anymore."

He then sent our troops, and my friends, into Iraq.
That maneuver has become OBL's greatest recvruitment tool ever.
He proceded to ignore Korea and Iran.
The next president will have to have nerves of steel and be able to speak diplomaticly with the countries of the world to unite and keep the nukes under control.

GWB is a cowboy who said to hell with the rest of the world when he went on his Crusades into Iraq.
They were with us when we went after OBL in Afghanistan but were correct to say no-way when W went hunting saddam in iraq.

He lied and distorted what little intelligence we had on Sadam. Kerry using the information presented, agreed initialy to what was going down in the middle east. Then, when presented with more info, said he would not fund W's little revenge party.

This is not "flip-flopping" this is taking into account new information and reacting accordingly. GWB is not smart enough to comprehend what little facts he already has never mind make intelligent choices when faced with changing circumstances.

Remember his stalled deer in headlights reaction in the kindergarten on 9/11?

Hell, even my 14 yr old watching the debates could not understand why anyone would vote for the man.
"He is a complete and total moron."
" He wont answer any questions."
" All he does is repeat his little sayings."

I dont miss any of this garbage. Can't any of you follow a little simple thing John R told you not to do? Do you love to hear yourselves ramble that much? Cut out the B vs K talk!
Its sad that people that cannot even follow a simple rule have a right to vote.
:smash:

Just found out that Theo Epstein worked on the Howard Dean election commitee:eek: :eek: :smash:

Sadly it is a very conentious issue right now. It's also sad that there is not a candidate sufficiently unifying that would bring large leagues of people to cross party affiliations and bring this country together.

Who could possibly do something like that?

Collin Powel?

Rudy Gulliani?

(John Mccain may have done it if his greater exposure had occured more before his failed bid for office)...

McCain would have gone a long way. I'm not sure Rudy could really do it. Rudy has a mystique about him and he's a good speaker, but 9/11 aside he really doesn't offer much substance.

-spence

Originally posted by spence
McCain would have gone a long way. I'm not sure Rudy could really do it. Rudy has a mystique about him and he's a good speaker, but 9/11 aside he really doesn't offer much substance.

-spence

I think you're off base there. Rudy was a temendous mayor who brought major changes to NYC. He instituted welfare reform and brought about effective policing that reduced the crime rate to the extent that NY is now the safest big city in the US. Above all else, he was a hands-on guy who directed the course of the city rather than a guy who "managed" by consensus. The mayor of NYC probably has more power than any other elected official in the country, and he used that power to make positive changes.

As President, having to play nice with the other kids, maybe his "my way or the highway" philosophy would be a shortcoming, but to say he has no substance is wrong. Someone who has been the mayor of a city of 7 million people---more than the population of most US states---is certainly more qualified than, say, a member of Congress or the governor of a small, rural state to be President.

He also has crossover appeal. He'd appeal to Republicans on foreign policy and defense issues, he'd be a fiscal conservative, but he's very liberal on social issues--pro-choice and pro-gay rights.

"Hillary- 2008"




:hihi: :yak:

seriously, i totally agree with John R. we hae two candidates who are polar extremes of eachother. Where is the middleground?

There is no middle ground in tough times. Tough decisions need to be made, the stakes are higher.

No middle ground :smash: That's what's wrong with politics today. I lost respect for Rudy watching him campaign for Bush...the electorate shouldn't be forced to extremes by divisive politics. The facts are there is more than one way to deal with tough issues, and Americans will reflect that.

-spence

SPence, I agree that there is more than one way to deal with tough issues, but no matter how you do it, the country will be divided. I have driven across the USA four times. I lived my childhood in CT, my adolosence in RI, I live in San Francisco for 6 years and now Mass. The country is made up of vastly different ideals. SF might as well be a different country than Dallas Tx.
When the stakes are high, emotions are high and thus it appears that we are divided.

McCain has campaigned longer than Rudy for Bush and has more reason to dislike the guy personally after all the crap they threw at him in South Carolina in 2000.

McCain campaigns for Bus#, but when interviewed he's clearly a closet Kerry supporter :D I'd much rather vote for a moderate Republican, but there isn't one on the ticket ;)

I don't think Rudy's a bad guy, I just think there is an image of him that's greater than what he is. He certainly did make a positive impact on New York for many, but you can't lock up all the bums nationwide. Perhaps I just don't like how he's embraced the Bush propaganda machine so much. I liked him much better before he started stumping :laughs:

-spence