Your famous!
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Thats about a year and a half old. It is only a buck too. good deal

Nope tried to bid more than 10 now. Pretty soon you will be up to the 50's.

:shocked:

I see that seller all the time on Ebay- Falsebar is his name. Right now he has one of Beachmaster's new needlefish for 2005.

Might be interesting, he's got a Mac pikie currently at $26, a Hab's needle at $19, and a Tattoo swimmer for short money.
Where's this guy get his plugs?

he' got some good stuff still available i don't do Epay but if i did i would be on these they have like 8 hrs.left.

The sellers are all known, with any luck they will be cut off.

it's one thing to buy and sell, but you have to remember that this is a small community and little goes unnoticed.

if you think about it, do you think the manufactures are thrilled that a plug they sell wholesale is getting this much attention?

ask any plug maker, they get the materials, do the labor and ship the items to the retailer who doubles the price and puts it on the shelf. so for fun lets say the 20.00 plug cost the retailer 10.00, the wood, hardware, paint and hours of labor not to mention packaging came at a cost of 10.00? :smash:

the added attention should make them rethink their pricing.

hey if you love it for 19.99 and people are fighting on the internet and paying up to 30.00 - 50.00 per plug... why not sell direct?

Habs, Tattoo and a few others already have people who are dying for stuff.

when it happens be sure to thank the usual suspects
:af:

Its already happening.Hab-A-Tat plugs sell for 35 $ an up.They sold the first run i seen here in a few days.Can't say i blame him or anyone other thing.Hey i get on my rock in my 300$ simms waders an my 300 XRA rod wit a 600 $ reel an 40 $ of line I reach into my 125 aquaskins bag an pull out a 6$ bomber ??????I don't think so...... I gotta throw a 35 plug or i won't be happy......Its just the way it is good for u if u have a quality product to sell.Havin ur buds bid stuff up on e-bay is just another slap in the face to a guy who wishes he could get some of that quality tackle but just can't. It's a shame the whole E-bay concept seems great but like anything else it gets Misused an abused.

kinda like your Jets just got abused:smash: :laughs:





























sorry about that:D



they played well, now fire the kicker:laughs:



EBay sux

I don't get why you guys think this is a bad thing?

I am not saying I disagree w/ you, I am just not sure what you are saying.

Please explain further.

Thanks

Zac

you're not alone Zacs
I don't get it either.


I know that shill bidding is bad for everyone, but I am not sure what point these guys are making.

what surfpirate is saying is that if a plugbuilder sells a plug at wholesale for 10 bucks and it costs him 4 or 5 bucks to build, he's only making 5 bucks. But when someone buys up some plugs and throws them on ebay and they go for 50 bucks, the ebay seller is making 3 or 5 times the $$ than the plugbuilder. Th eplugbuilder sees this and says "shoot, if my plugs are going for X amount of $$ than I am going to raise my prices....

I have no idea what NIb is talking about- :tooth:

What it all comes down to is supply and demand.

NIB, you missed the point here.

Hab-a-tat is making a product, they can sell at what ever price they think the market will allow.

the problem I have and we all have is that there are a few who get their hands on more than they need and decide to play Donald Trump! (don't get me wrong; when I can, I buy 2 of everything, one for fishing & one in reserve.)

Here is what got me, I was with a friend who is a plug builder when this guy comes along, admires a few plugs, talks about how great they are and makes a trade (no ploblem to this point)and is given additional plugs because my Pal is extremely generous.

Now I see this guy selling the plugs he was given on Ebay! that in most circles would be called bad form.

In my opinion, I may be wrong. - If a person gives you a gift and you pass it along to another, no worries.

If you decide to abuse a person's generosity to make a profit... in essence you are treating the giver like a jerk!

some may call it business (and if you do, please let me know so I can stay away from you), but I can't.

I agree with you there- if this guy gets em from John (or whoever) @ wholesale, then flips 'em over for big $$ on eBay, he should be ass-kicked, and hard. both the builder and their retailers take it the shorts as a result..... VERY bad form:af: :smash:

I think the whole ebay market is interesting, but I do not think it is a true indicator of what a plug can demand in a shop. I don't think there have been 25 habs plugs total sold on ebay this year.

Surfpirate that sounds like a sleazy deal, Just one for the karma police.

Some plug makers are selling on the net for list price, which is a different market than the instant gratification of a brick and mortar store, how many of us plan to go to the tackle shop and buy off a list and stick to it?

I have seen some plug makers try to sell on ebay and not get their price.

Could Habs raise his wholesale prices, I would say yes. Will that raise the retail price? If I were a store owner and could sell a product that I knew brought people into my shop and did not sit on the shelf, I can make less markup and more money at the same time.

i guess i am missing the boat the boat on this one also.what a builder is selling his plugs for to the retailer should be determined by the cost of materials, the amount of labor that goes into the plug and what you want to make as aprofit.above the cost of materails and labor. as far as a shop selling that for double that thats pretty standard with any product. if you are not making enough on your product look at your procedures that go into making it and improve your productivity. or cut out the middleman and sell direct if you have the time to do so..

He starts them out at .99 cents each.an lets the market set the price.my point being that there are people who don't care what things cost.an will pay big bucks for ordinary stuff.this makes it tough for a hard workin stiff with more financial concerns to keep up.as the market starts to catch up with the demand.There are more plug builders here now than ever an 25- 40 seems to be the goin rate.I remember when I bought my first lefty an it was 15 dollars an that was insane..Now they go for forty.Its not unusual that no one can understand what I was typing I was terribly distraught after the Jets game an my post may have been more unreadable than most. :rolleyes:

I'm someone who simply doesn't have the money to spend on high end plugs so when the good deal comes along the last thing I'm gonna do is turn around and try to make a profit.I wanna catch fish!!!

I'm curious as to whether some of these folks on Ebay are fisherman or not.For some people the money is the bottom line.For people catching a big bass is the bottom line.

the way I'm interpreting all this is that someone got a deal from MAC or Habs as a favor, with the expectation that they were for his own use.... not that he was gonna turn around and sell 'em on eBay. if this is whats happening, then this guy needs a reality check. (If not then disregard the rest of this....)
why is this bad form?? 1) the builders typically have a plan/agreement with their "real" shops as to who and where their plugs will be sold in a given area so that shop can have an idea as to what there local market will be like. 2) the builder is lbeing deceived as to what the intent of the "wholesale deal" is really all about.

I think we need to understand that a VERY small percent of percent goes on Ebay, and that shouldn't affect the cost in the stores. I would never use a $40 plug to catch fish, I'd hang it on my wall :D I only wish I could sell my plugs for $40.

hurry up an get that wall built:hee:

I think Ebay is a great thing. You just have to know what your buying, what it is worth and what YOU are willing to pay.

Don't blame the guys who are trying to make a buck selling a plug. It's the crazy people that are will to pay $50 for a $20 plug that have a problem. All the power to someone crazy enough to pay that. I also think most of those plugs don't get fished.

Excuse my butt-in but I just can’t help myself.

First, I and my wife (the real brains in the family) are antique dealers, we sell on E-bay as well as a website and at shows.

The old saying “buy low and sell high” is a little crude and in real life seldom happens. But if indeed a person buys at “wholesale” for “cheap” and sells high for a profit that’s just business. Let’s not forget the final retailers overhead, assuming he has a store front. Perhaps the person who sold “wholesale” should reconsider his business practices. He could do E-bay if he wished.

Now, if the “high seller” was GIVEN the item by the maker and then turns around and sells it, then that person, the seller, is an A$$.

Just my two cents worth.

Al

as i stated in my post in the grumpy forum, this guy and all his long island friends have been doing this for some time now. it pissed me off at first. the way i look at it now, if you are stupid enough to pay what these buyers are paying, you deserve to get screwed on the deal. the only time it will hurt me now is when all this crap gives the legitimate lure builders reason to raise their prices even higher. eventually the price will outweigh what most people are willing to pay, so until then i'll live off my private stock...

what bothers me now is when what happened last week occurs. a guy put some hard earned stuff up for sale on another board to fund his bills. then this other guy buys them and puts them right on eBay and makes a profit on the situation beacause his friends bid on them. that is not cool in my opinion.

Originally posted by tlapinski
the only time it will hurt me now is when all this crap gives the legitimate lure builders reason to raise their prices even higher. eventually the price will outweigh what most people are willing to pay, so until then i'll live off my private stock...
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This is my point excactly.lefty's son wade sells his plugs for 40 bucks a piece he puts 30-50 pieces in a shop an they last a week.habs new customs go for 35 bucks god bless em but I just can't fish a plug that cost's that much.Now u usta be able to buy Big Dons stuff for like 15 bucks a piece but it seens he got wind of all this this yr an now sells his stuff for 25-29 bucks the market is out of control.Then again so is housing an gas an insurance,taxes an evrything else.I just hope I can stay afloat.

Many more people now fishing...too much of an interest in custom plugs. Somebody catches a 50 or 60+ bass on a particular lure and it becomes a want to...no, need to have plug for some. Plug becomes scarce and $$$ goes up. People will pay the money. Some customs such as Beachmaster, Habbs and Tattoo's are impossible to attain for some because of location or availability and ebay reaches out to that audience. Again...people will pay.

Then again for those not looking to spend that kinda money theirs always Super Strike, Gibbs, and a few other customs out there. But for $5 or less you gotta love bucktails, bombers, cotten cordels, creekchubs and even rubha storms...

Until they start selling eels on eBay I think I'm in good shape...:hihi: