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JHABS
02-10-2005, 01:47 PM
If you could go Fishing with any Surf Fishing Legend who would it be and Why..........................

chris L
02-10-2005, 01:53 PM
arnold lane . why ? cause he was walking fisherman that did what it took to get to the fish .

Bronko
02-10-2005, 02:34 PM
Frank Woolner, ever notice how he is mentioned and held in such high regard in everone's books.... there is a reason for that I would think.

Skitterpop
02-10-2005, 02:37 PM
Crazy Alberto!

Because he is crazy like me and he is alive now :rolleyes:

mrmacey
02-10-2005, 02:48 PM
I would like to fish with Fish WeeWee he is my hero!! that ever elusive Bassmaster would be cool too.

reelecstasy
02-10-2005, 02:49 PM
FLAPtail, hands down.....Great knowledge and very willing to share alot of info.


:smokin: Habs and Tat too, so I could poke thru their surf bags :laughs: :smokin:

Clogston29
02-10-2005, 03:37 PM
I'll second Flaptail

Based on what I've seen on here, he seems like a great fisherman with alot of knowledge about the history of the sport, something that I find quite interesting. I'd like to pick his brain for a while.

Bronko
02-10-2005, 03:41 PM
Flaptail is at the top for me as well, I thought we were talking about individuals from the past, not modern day experts.:D

redlite
02-10-2005, 03:50 PM
I have often thought about this before as I have been fortunate to fish with and learn from some of the most successful fisherman on the cape over the years.

I would say that the one I fish with that I truly enjoy and esteem to be as good as the most would have to be Mr. Tony C.

He is a living legend. I have learned more from him, yet still so much more to learn. All the unconventional methods of fishing people talk about, well he doesn't just talk about them, he does them.

And his stories of the "Good Old Days" keep me fired up even when the fishin is down.

j35
02-10-2005, 03:51 PM
iron mike

Gloucester2
02-10-2005, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by mrmacey
I would like to fish with Fish WeeWee he is my hero!! that ever elusive Bassmaster would be cool too.

Been there, done that!

Rest up, Mike !

Did I mention Notaro was there too :eek:

bart
02-10-2005, 04:17 PM
Arthur Clarke-- anyone who drags a monster bass up those rocks has my admiration.

chris L
02-10-2005, 04:18 PM
fish with his around the corner friend fish poopoo

Nebe
02-10-2005, 05:26 PM
Jerry Sylvester.

BigFish
02-10-2005, 05:37 PM
Stan Gibbs....I just admire his life, the plugs he made, the contributions he made to our sport and I understand he was quite a great fisherman to boot!:D

Krispy
02-10-2005, 06:05 PM
maybe Frank D. But honestly, Id rather go back 30 years to the 70's and fish with the crew I do now :)

Flaptail
02-10-2005, 06:25 PM
Well I am flattered but really I suck, just ask Bassmaster. John you asked a really hard question to answer. There are so many. I was lucky enough to know a lot of them being a plucky kid who figured he had the chance, so why not talk to these guys. The worst you could get was "beat it kid". Fortunately I never got that response. I have fond memories of sitting in the basement of Stan Gibbs cottage "factory" watching him make plugs and he patiently answering questions, the same with his son John. I fished with Old Man Mac Reed, Stan Kuzia, Bunny DiPietro, Chester "Biff" Mc Ardle, Paul Kukonen. I sat In Frank Woolner's basement office and was showed his lure collection and received sage advice from him on what it takes to be a really good Striper Fisherman, I sat in Charlie Whitney's old shop on Race Point rd. back in the seventies and listened to him half whistle and half talk about fishing the beach. Had my first custom rods made by Charlie Murat at his little shop by the drive-in in N.Smithfield Rhode Island. Worked a couple days with Capt. Joe Eldridge on the Striper out of Barnstable while working as an alternate mate with Capt. Lucky Singleton. Fished on Johnny Shakliks Quahog II in Wellfleet and wathced Capt. Phil Schwind troll by us many times in Whitecap in the Bay while working the first year in 1972 on Seawitch.
Who would I like to have been able to fish with most? Arnold Laine. Just to sit back watch, listen and learn and keep my mouth shut on a outer Cape beach with him would have been just awesome.

Karl F
02-10-2005, 06:42 PM
From the Past, Arnold Laine.
From Present, Tony Chirappo.

Reason? Well, Arnold I don't think was ever topped by anybody, then, and I'd say the same for Tony C. today.

I've had the pleasure of fishing with some of the finest, even been skunked with a few, but always walked away with a bit more knowledge than I had before.

A night on the beach with Tony Stetzko, is priceless... he should be on the list as well. Same can be said for Dave Manzi, and Bruce May :)

Squid kids Dad
02-10-2005, 06:47 PM
Charlie Moore by far...OK OK OK Only kidding..:D
Flap..I have fished with Phil Schwind many years ago on shore at the Herring run in Eatham,bayside..He was a character..Also fished on the Quahog II..Brings back some awesome memories...

I would have liked to fish with some of the oldies that were in Reading the Water..Have fished with Shultzie & Coop tho..

kippy
02-10-2005, 06:54 PM
I want to fish with Bassmaster again. Nothing beats Dave yelling at New Yorkers!:laughs:

Skitterpop
02-10-2005, 06:54 PM
By or about Arnold laine or Tony C????

Thanks,
Mike

Backbeach Jake
02-10-2005, 07:18 PM
My goal is to fish wit each and every one of you guys, got a pretty good start and so far it's been grand.;)

Karl F
02-10-2005, 07:22 PM
I don't know Mike, one thing I have always heard about Arnold, he was a loner, liked it like that, and made no bones about telling anbody that was how he liked it.
I get from Flaps post that he has heard the same ;)
" Arnold Laine. Just to sit back watch, listen and learn and keep my mouth shut on a outer Cape beach with him "

Tony C. will talk to ya, if he feels like it, and if he feels like it, will give you some great hints, (pay close attention), but he is a loner also... most of the great ones are.

BernOC
02-10-2005, 07:23 PM
My dad...
Time is something we just never have enough of, never take it for granted.

tlapinski
02-10-2005, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Krispy
Id rather go back 30 years to the 70's and fish with the crew I do now :) We would destroy those boys...

snake slinger
02-10-2005, 07:54 PM
frank d cause hes the man

Joe
02-10-2005, 07:56 PM
Its a toss up...
I'd either like to fish the Block Island beaches of the 1970's with Charlie Dodge....or fly fish Winnapaug Pond with Ted Williams

Mike P
02-10-2005, 08:36 PM
I've been fortunate to have fished with some real good fishermen over the years--or at least, have shared shore space with them and chatted.

I've fished the flats in the Canal with Flap and Dave 'Ski. Plugged with John Gibbs, Donnie and Robbie Willis, Ron Arra, Kevin Heep, Bill Chapin and others I've probably forgotten. Jigged next to Andy and Al Mamarty and Big Dave, JPowers, slip, Saltheart and Smokey, Harrible, Scott B and many others.

Took a ride out on Nauset with BM and Tat.

Fished some places in RI with Hab, #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& and Joe Flip.

On the Vineyard, I've fished a lot with Schultzie. Plus "Hawkeye" Jacobs, Janet Messinio and Charlie Cinto, Roland and squidmama.

Here on LI, I've fished with Alberto and Kadir, Steve McDonald, and ran into people like Jack Yee, Fred Golofaro and Doc Muller here and there.

But, the person I'd most want to fish with, one more time, is Hawg Hunter Brad, 'cause that would mean he'd still be with us

:( :crying:

Jenn
02-10-2005, 08:46 PM
The four people I admire most, I have fished with already. Any one of them could be a legend but quite frankly I dont think a single one of them gives a crap weather they are considered a legend or not.

TheRattBoy
02-10-2005, 08:49 PM
Like Krispy said, i'd rather go back in time...to the cow days...with the guys I fish with now (jigsy, you too)....if it has to be with a "known" fish slayer, Joyce Diagnault, i'm sure she's got more fish than a lot of todays "sharpies"....:) johnny

d i p u t s
02-10-2005, 08:52 PM
I want to fish with eben. He is cool. :D

BigFish
02-10-2005, 08:54 PM
Matt Stidstone and Joe Gorbey are two of the best plug and eel chuckers around and I am glad I get to fish with them on a regular basis.:btu:

Peter Lajoie
02-10-2005, 09:06 PM
Rhode Island-Jerry Sylvester
Cape Cod- George Carzelon

ProfessorM
02-10-2005, 09:35 PM
I have to say if I had a chance it would be Sergei de Somov because he was so secretive and I like that. P.M.

Diggin Jiggin
02-10-2005, 09:55 PM
I grew up on Nantucket, and I always wished that I had a chance to fish with the people who taught my Dad to fish back in the days of the big fish, George Dubock and Bobby Francis (Capt of the Possessor which operated out of west end, and fished the openings and rips all along the south shore, madaket, Esthers and Tuckernuck).

George taught my dad to beach fish, and Bobby was probably the best captain of his time on the island.

The amazing thing about the stories my dad tells me, is that I know they are all true.

These gentlemen took my father under their wings when he was just a boy getting in trouble, and they taught him so much and started him on a new path...

fishweewee
02-10-2005, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Charlie Moore
I want to fish with eben. He is cool. :D

:laughs:

Nebe
02-10-2005, 10:41 PM
:hihi:

ThrowingTimber
02-10-2005, 11:30 PM
:laughs:

Krispy
02-11-2005, 12:11 AM
We would destroy those boys...
I think we would..

RickBomba
02-11-2005, 12:55 AM
Most people I dream of fishing with fish with me now...
Lots of very memorable people fished the surf in the 70's, I was lucky enough to fish with a lot of them (that meant a lot to me).
I feel that many of today's sharpies would've kicked butt back then.
I'd still like to get the Habs man, Tatoo, and Manzi on the beach together with me for a day, though.
Later,
Rick

striprman
02-11-2005, 08:06 AM
Roscoe Gaddis

Slipknot
02-11-2005, 09:39 AM
No question it would be Stan Gibbs if he were still around, and to fish with 10x10 again would be great also.
But since it would need to be someone alive and still fishing I would choose Tony C, because he knows so much about the beaches of Cape Cod and his way of asking you questions to get you to think about it and not just answering your questions. I've only met him twice, I wish I had his skill. He did tell me once that he caught a bass on one of my needles so that made me feel good.

Karl, why am I on your list? we got skunked I think last time we fished together.

Lots of good choices listed here.

Goose
02-11-2005, 10:39 AM
Jose Wejebe would be cool ta fish with. I hope to fish with a few night ratts here.

Flaptail
02-11-2005, 11:27 AM
Karl, Arnold Laine was eccentric. He had a wind up record player in his truck and would listen to classical music and popular music of the day while tucked into some notch in the dunes between fishing. No weather was too bad and he pioneered launching samll tin boats in the surf to get to fish on the outer bars up in the Peaked Hill country. He would go out in a twelve footer with a piece of plywood which he would lay across the gunnels and sleep on while waiting for the tide. He was very quiet, almost shy. He was resourcefull as well. He made his own plugs which he called "Beaver cuttings" and Stan Kuzia told me of an eel rig Laine made himself that he used that just murdered bass. Stan has one. He was a market fisherman. From when they showed in the spring until they left in the fall. From the Canal to Race Point and everywhere in between. He was from Templeton MA. and when he decided to give up commercial bass fishing he went to work at Starret Machine in Athol, near Templeton until retirement.
He was so good Bob Pond came out with an Atom 40 called the Arnold Laine special. It came with a hole in the plug with which you stuffed with cotton soaked in Arnold's "special bass attractent" and had instructions from Arnold on how to use it. He put tons of bass on the beach and Frank Woolner told me on the beach he was the best that ever lived. That was saying something.:D

JohnR
02-11-2005, 11:34 AM
For old time's sake, get #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, McKenna & Joe Flip fishing again a few times...

I'd like to fish with Andy Lemar, Tim Coleman, Art Levalle.

Flaptail and Bassmistress on the Cape

For conversation purposes, Al McReynolds...

Still like to fish with Schoolie Monster more...

Want to fish with Goosefish

Want to fish the Cuttyhunk crowd again - that was awesome...

Would like to get the mods here together one evening and all of us go wet a line :)

The Dodges, The Churches, The Cintos, The Woolners, The Gibbs, The Murats of the world

Would have liked to surfcast with my grandfather who truly enjoyed surffishing but something I did not know more intimatley until after his passing.

And I'm dying to go surfcasting with my son :D

ThrowingTimber
02-11-2005, 11:34 AM
I'd fish with the same guy I fish with on Father's day :)

partsjay
02-11-2005, 11:36 AM
I would like to fish with JHABS, BigFish, or Flap....

JHABS....to see how he fishes the Needle
BigFish....because he has helped me on this board alot with my building.

and Flap....cuz I love his columns

That is just if I had to pick.... I really would like to fish with any of you from the board. I do alot of fishing by myself. I have 1 other friend who likes to fish for stripers, so I am usually alone.:D

Karl F
02-11-2005, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Slipknot
.

Karl, why am I on your list? we got skunked I think last time we fished together.




2 reasons:

I like fishing with ya, and

WE gotsta kill that skunk! :cool:

Flaptail
02-11-2005, 01:54 PM
Yeah, well I was with BM and Slip one night on Nauset and BM ran over one on purpose. Now every time I fish with him we can't shake the "smell".:eek:

Nebe
02-11-2005, 03:05 PM
in a few years..... this guy :love:

Flaptail
02-11-2005, 03:14 PM
He wasn't looking at Bassmaster when that pic was taken was he? I notice that reaction when somone meets him for the first time.:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

Nebe
02-11-2005, 03:59 PM
he hates the camera. He cant take the flash. :smash:

chris L
02-11-2005, 04:02 PM
looks like he might have a bomb in his diapers . he looks right wearing that hat

MAC
02-11-2005, 04:29 PM
Eben, you'll have to buy him a VS 100 soon:)

Nebe
02-11-2005, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by MAC
Eben, you'll have to buy him a VS 100 soon:)

I know.. I already bought a vs250 for him, a gsb1201m and L, a SB 1213M an xrra 1084, an aquaskins top and plugbag, etc..... of course I am using all of this until he is old enough to use them and then.. well, then I will have to buy my own gear :devil:

chris L
02-11-2005, 06:46 PM
hey as a Dad you have to make sure that gear wont hurt him . I understand .

Karl F
02-11-2005, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Flaptail
Yeah, well I was with BM and Slip one night on Nauset and BM ran over one on purpose. Now every time I fish with him we can't shake the "smell".:eek:

Why U so hard on the poor skunk, Flap?:huh:
U sure it's him U smell?
Afterburner from them 99 cent Wendy juniors, can have similar aroma ;)



(BM, only kiddin bubbah, I woof them burgers too :D )

Oh yeah, bad luck to run them down BM, thought U knew.. surprised too, thought you loved them little bastages :huh:

chris L
02-11-2005, 08:57 PM
bm farts roses with the windows up !

piemma
02-12-2005, 02:19 AM
Charlie Murat and Dave Hammock

bassmaster
02-12-2005, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Karl F
Why U so hard on the poor skunk, Flap?:huh:
U sure it's him U smell?
Afterburner from them 99 cent Wendy juniors, can have similar aroma ;)



(BM, only kiddin bubbah, I woof them burgers too :D )

Oh yeah, bad luck to run them down BM, thought U knew.. surprised too, thought you loved them little bastages :huh: didnt meen ta , i love skunks,im gonna run down NY'rs this year:D

Stroth
02-12-2005, 08:20 PM
I ran into Flaptail one early a.m. at RedTop. 45 min. later I found myself sitting in my truck thinking, "why didn't i get a piece of paper to take notes".

I also bought a canoe a couple years ago off of Slip. After some arm twisting he showed me his plug wall. WHOAH Some truly unreal stuff down there...absolutely incredible. He also threw out about a million fishing tips in the span of 20 min.

I will also say that if you are fishing that big ditch no one knows more than jpowers, ok maybe carl does, but I have never fished with him so I cannot make a fair comment. this season carl you and I will get together!!! bs4shore also is their category

to me the most striking cord here is humility. you can fish with any of these guys and feel like you belong even though they are putting you to shame...there is not a conceited bone in their body. Heck, they will even give you a fish if you really need one.

GREAT THREAD HABS. SAVE A BLACK NEEDLE FOR ME PLEASE!!!!!:D :D

TheSpecialist
02-12-2005, 08:56 PM
I would like to fish with Flap sometime. After reading a few of his articles I know it would be a grat learning experience.

I would also love to fish with Iron Mike, Crazy Al, and Steve McKenna , all of these guys have some knowledge that needs to be passed down.

I have fished with some great people on this site, and whether or not we caught fish, we still had a great time. There is nothing like watching the light come by then getting slammed, right John ;)

Swimmer
02-12-2005, 09:42 PM
I'll fish with anybody, anytime, anywhere, because novice or legend, everyone has something to teach you.


People say fisherman are anti-social. Next time I talk to someone I'll ask their opinon.

t.orlando
02-12-2005, 10:17 PM
excellent answer Swimmer

CowHunter
02-13-2005, 12:42 AM
I have met many great guys through SOL and Striped-bass, many whom have become really good friends..some of the guys I have fished with and still do...Bob Celico, Dennis Zambrotta, Alberto, Kadir, Rizzo, Bill Nolan, Steve McKenna, Goose, Redlite, TimS, Dubbs, BlueCrab, Linesides, Poppy...Along with quite a few guys that dont post and that I may have missed...None the less all great guys! I spend 90% of the time fishing by myself, usually of the surf...I love that wetsuit more than anything, Block, Rhody, Cutty...Nothing like it. Anyone from these sites is always welcomed to fish with me off the surf, I dont mind sharing what Ive learned with those that are as passionate as I am...Ive had my share of 1000lb nights from the Rocks & Sand, many tmes without a soul nearby. The last two years I really got into my boat fishing, and if it wasnt for Mike Laptew I would have never have become such good friends with Gary Corsetti. I cannot describe what knowledge I have gained from that man, Yes, I may have fished with him hundreds of hours this past year, he shared 30 years of knowledge with me in just this past season! Its cause of him I went out there late season and broke at least one fish at 40lbs a tide along with many, many in the 30's, the man is unbelievable! As far as knowledge gained, I have learned more from him than anyone else as far as boat fishing. Cant wait for this season.....Some great guys on this site...To many fifties and sixties to come!

Ken

NIB
02-13-2005, 08:31 AM
I went up to the cape Fished with my good friend Slip. An KarlF made it one night.I had a great time.I would like to Fish With BM as I think we would have a good time but the fishin was crappy then an he was takin care of buissness with the family so he could burn the midnight oil when it mattered.Maybe next yr.We can hook up.Would like to go out wit Steve(Flap)An Capesams in his boat also.I think it would be fun.Even though I say u learn all the time I know too much already.I can only start forgetting stuff now.Good company equals good time.I Have some hero type i wish i could've fished with here in NJ but most of em are gone.I would just as well sit down an shoot the %$%$%$%$e wit em as much as goin fishin.I like the stories.Some are still around Like Billy MacFadden an Freddy Gardner freddy is 75 yrs old an still gets out 2-3 time a week.he needs some rest to recoup after the allnighters.up till a few yrs ago he would do 5 all nighters a week.One of my mentors passed a few yrs ago i wish I could go fishin wit him.Johnny Burns.

Karl F
02-14-2005, 01:14 PM
NIB, lets make sure we do it again this year, only we will go ta my beach. Lot of fun with you and Slip last year. You guys built a nice deck too ;)

Notaro
02-14-2005, 01:17 PM
Bassmaster, Crazy Alberto, Fishweewee, and Specialist.

fishdog13
02-15-2005, 06:56 PM
the chief :p

Backbeach Jake
02-15-2005, 08:08 PM
A few years ago, when my son was still quite young, I took him fishing to Corn Hill. Easy access, lotsa parking. Well we drove onto the sand, passed another fishing party and set up soaking worms. The other party was "striking the tents" getting ready to go home. When one of them, an older gent, quite frail looking , asked if my son and I would like their eels. I accepted very gratefully. The older gent looked vaguely familiar, but I shook it off. We took our usually skunking and went home. While putting the gear away, the older gent came back to mind. I knew that I'd seen him somewhere before. About a week later I stumbled on a pic of Frank Woolner in an old magazine and I had my answer. The hat , the pipe , and that regal nose. I had my man. He passed soon after that and to this day I regret not sticking my hand out and introducing myself. That experience has brought me here S-B .com and other sites. That experience began my Quest for Knowledge in the Sand.;)

gadabout
02-16-2005, 04:12 PM
Vlad Evanoff, and that guy with the plane and the hat.

piemma
02-16-2005, 04:38 PM
Jimmy Buffett?

chris L
02-16-2005, 07:27 PM
no ricardo maltoban and tatoo . but thats two ?

RIROCKHOUND
02-16-2005, 07:28 PM
My grandfather..
He was pretty much out of the game when I was growing up, but he fished his whole younger life, I have heard many stories first hand from him and second hand from my father, but I would have like to have been there....

rexhamer
02-16-2005, 08:06 PM
1) Not sure if hed be considered a surfcaster, but he was mentioned by one person earlier - Ted Williams. Maybe fish for tarpon in the Keys. Imagine what it would be like to have his undivided attention for several hours.

2) Al Gags. A funny guy who seems like he'd be great to fish with also.

3) Tony Stezko - only know him by articles and one seminar, but seems like the kind of guy that has the "knowledge".

4) Would love to go "sharkin" with Captain Quint on the Orca.

Backbeach Jake
02-16-2005, 08:38 PM
Ted Williams was a killer Surfcaster. Legend has it his name is still carved into the fireplace mantel of one of Day's Cottages in North Truro. How he hit the Fall Run and played ball is beyound me.

Mike P
02-16-2005, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Backbeach Jake
Ted Williams was a killer Surfcaster. Legend has it his name is still carved into the fireplace mantel of one of Day's Cottages in North Truro. How he hit the Fall Run and played ball is beyound me.

His season was usually over by late September ;) :D