Does anyone know if quaker lane carries any 1201m? Or something similar? I got a deal on those gift certicicates and wanna get a new rod.
Thanks

No... the customs that they carry are Allstar blanks.

Is there an allstar comparable to the 1201m?

The All Star 1208 is pretty close weight wise...but it's very fast action where as the lami is much more moderate.

-spence

They do charge an arm and a leg for Loomis over there (but I think that's most places anyway)

I have two 120 1M's and an All Star 1208. While the All Star does have an faster taper, it's not all that fast. It's about halfway between, say, a Lami 1M and a Loomis 1266. The All Star has a 9/64 tip, the 1M has an 11/64.

Loomis rods are price-controlled. They the same everywhere, for the most part.

SO the all star 1208 would be my best bet for fishing jamestown, gansett, n.river, and the breachways slinging eels 85% and the rest needles, tins , dannys and bucktails 2-4 ounces? I dont care about the money i got the gift certificate for almost 50% off.Or is there a another rod sold there that would fit my needs better? Just dont wanna waste $$$$$ on something that isnt gonna fit my needs. Or should i just sell the gift certificates and put the money torwards a 1201m????
Thanks

The 1208 is not a good eeling rod at all. The fast action of the blank causes a lot of eels to get torn off on the cast. 1208's are good for jigging and tossing larger plugs. I have 2 I wrapped a couple years ago, and they haven't been touched since I started using my 1201's. My conventional 1208 will see some use this year, however, as I chopped about 6" off her tip last night and finally figured out a use for it. :devil:

The 1208 would be a good for most of that, although a lot of people (including myself) like a softer action for eels.

-spence

I agree with Toby on eels and the 1208---I've cast off a lot, too. I hate to have to baby a cast using snakes.

Braid and eels don't mix, generally. Even when using a parabolic rod, I have to keep feeling the head of the eel and gauge how much meat is left before the eel will go flying. Not a big deal with spinning reels, and I have a VERY fast thumb when I throw eels on convench. But, I've cast eels off within 5 casts with the 1208.

If you rig your eels---I think the 1208 would be a pissah rod for riggies ;)

The Lami GSBs are about the most versatile graphite rods going, but All Star, and now the Batson SU series, are a fantastic value.

I was throwing eels on a Batson, switched to a 1201M mid June and never looked back.... has plenty of balls to set the hook and has a softer tip, which I find more forgiving when you're half a sleep and a half second slow when you bow to the Cow...
B

Chef,
If you really want the 1201M ask Quaker Lane to order the blank for you - all shops can order blanks. Then have someone build it for you. If you need a name I know a guy who builds some nice surf sticks - there are also a few on this site that will build it for you. Don't settle for something you don't want.
DZ

All the model numbers are about Allstar models here unless specified. . I think the 1208 would be a good all around rod for you. I personally would want a shorter 1089 for the breachways and maybe a longer rod like the 1267 for the other areas you mentioned but for one rod to do the whole area a 1208 will work.

I guess DZ has the right idea. If you want a lami 120 1M , get a Lami 120 1 M!! You'll have the rod for years so why fart around.

I think you'll get better distance with the 1208 for plugs and jigs etc and I know I would not have problems with eels casting off on that rod if conventional. I fish a Loomis 1266 which as mentioned is faster action and don't cast off eels. I think people sometimes try to cast the live eels too far.

My philosophy is that if you are casting off eels , cast easier or switch to something with more distance capability like the rigged eels Mike P mentioned.

Originally posted by Saltheart
My philosophy is that if you are casting off eels , cast easier or switch to something with more distance capability HUH? I can fully lay into an eel on my Lami 1201M without fear of it coming off. I cast it like I am bombing a popper for the horizon. If you try this on a 1208 All Star, I just about guarantee it will come off in short time. Mono or braid, spinning and conventional, I have tried them all on both rods.

Chef - Tell QL you want the Lami 1201M. They should be able to get the blank for you. If they won't, add it to the long list of reasons why I won't set foot in that place ever again.

Thanks for all the input guys. Never thought about having them order the blank. Think im gonna go with the 1201m for now, and maybe get other rods when i get money later in the season.

Thanks

I used to have problems casting them off sometimes when I used spinners but not with conventionals. Also , I never cast live eels for the horizon like I do plugs. They catch so much wind I think its futile. They go as far as they go comfortably. Maybe I'm getting old.:(

Chef-sorry if I am jackin your thread but....how does the 1213m match up against the 1201m, anyone have any input:confused:

The 1213m will certianly throw more weight, but obviously won't be as good down low. It also weighs a lot more...

I wouldn't want it for strictly plugs and eels, but if you wanted to throw jigs and bait as well it's very versatile and you're not gonna break it ;)

-spence

i would call the gsb1201m a "sister" to the sb1213m, but just eglass instead of graphite. you just cannot kill the sb1213m. it can also handle heavier loads than the 1201m.

as far as the all star vs gsb saga, it depends on the kind of rod and action an angler likes. some hate parabolic rods, such as a gsb1201m. some hate fast action rods like the sw1x07/8/9's. a faster rod is less forgiving if you make a mistake casting. they are also more fragile and many overload these rods.

i have built several sw1208's and gsb1201m's. i think the sw1208 is a nice rod, but i do not like it stock. but, you trim, bye-bye factory warrenty. the 1201m just has so many functions, both casting and spinning and is perfect just as it comes. it is the one rod that i would build again and have in stock just in case mine breaks. i could not be w/o it like i could others. and, yes, i do agree w/ toby and others, it is the perfect eeling rod for rocky shorelines - 10'.

if you fish jetties more, i would consider the sb1213m cut to no taller than 9'6". the 1208 is NOT a jetty rod at all. in reality, you really cannot have a jetty and casting rod that does both. you really need 2 rods.

Chef,

The 1201L is probably the best eel blank there is, but it is a little on the light side for fishing around the rocks. The 1201M is the compromise you should consider. The 1208 all star is the blank to look at for rigged eels, plugs, and jigs. I think someone mentioned it already. If you are considering more than one rod, get the 1201L and the 1208. If you get just one, it would be the 1201M for me. The 1201L is a sweet blank for the cape, but I am not sure I would like it around the rocks.

Would a 704z be a good fit for the 1201m?

thanks for all the advice on the rod

yes and alot better than that clunker you were using-
pack it full of blue marine grease and buy part#69 whch will convert it to a bail-less reel and you will be ready to rock-

Originally posted by cheferson
Would a 704z be a good fit for the 1201m?



Just about perfect.

Oooohhh i cant wait to catch a fatty on the new setup!! I think im gonna burn my ugly stik in a sacrafice to the bass gods! How hard is to use manual pick up? Does it take a while to get down?

its pretty simple chef, it comes with directions, but the first time I did it I just layed the 5 parts out and slapped them right on..

Originally posted by cheferson
Oooohhh i cant wait to catch a fatty on the new setup!! I think im gonna burn my ugly stik in a sacrafice to the bass gods! How hard is to use manual pick up? Does it take a while to get down?

after about 2 nights out, it becomes thoughtless... then when you use a reel with a bail, you will be all screwed up. With my VS250 I simply cast, and extend my index finger untill i can just feel the line peeing off the reel. as soon as i feel the line go slack from the plug hitting the water, I curl my finger in and start reeling- the line roller will catch the line in my finger and I am off and running. The beauty of loosing the bail, is that you wont have a bail to break-

If you want no bail I would just get the 706Z. This way reel is already the way you want it plus it has drain holes in the rotor cup which I do not think the 704 does.

if you like listening to yourself "grind coffee" and let everyone else know what reel you use (there's only one 706 sound) and where you are fishing, fish a 706z. if you want to be more quiet, buy a 704z and convert it. plus, prices on 706z's are out of control for what you get today.

the 1201m will balance nicely w/ a 704/706z-series reel, but i have heard some having issues w/ braid on it.

I don't know...I didn't like the super large rotor cup on the 706.

Anyone know why the 704 weighs so much more? It can't be all in the bail...

-spence

ANyone have a link to that thread with the guy who customized his 704 by drilling out the cup and drilling the spool.

Originally posted by spence
I don't know...I didn't like the super large rotor cup on the 706.

Anyone know why the 704 weighs so much more? It can't be all in the bail...

-spence

There are slots and drain holes also plus no bail I guess equals the 2 oz difference.

I also think that the thickness of the wall of the 706 cup is thinner.

The bail assembly, plus there's a shot of lead in the 704's cup that acts as a counterweight, which the 706's cup lacks.

Makes more sense now :cool:

I think Pie has about 20 of the things in his basement. I doubt he'll miss one or two :devil:

-spence

Jeff:
You want one?