I WAS CURIOUS AFTER READING FISHWEEWEES TONGUE IN CHEEK REPLY TO THE QUESTION OF HOW HE PREPARES FOR FISHING IN THE SPRING IF ANYONE HERE HAS EITHER BECOME INVOLVED IN A VIOLENT ACT AS A WITNESS OR ACTUALLY WAS A VICTIM OF AN ACT OF VIOLENCE WHILE FISHING IN NEW ENGLAND. WE ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT CONFRONTATIONS AT HERRING RUNS, BUT I AM CURIOUS IF ANYONE OF OUR BROTHER AND SISTER FISHERMEN ON THIS SITE WERE EVER VICTIMS OF A CRIME WHILE FISHING? I HOPE THIS IS THE RIGHT FORUMN, AND THIS MAY WELL SERVE AS A "WHAT-TO-LOOK-OUT-FOR-OR-WHAT-TO-AVOID-WHILE-FISHING-QUESTION." :eyes:

I was traumatized once by watching blitzing bloofish tear a school of menhaden in to pieces.

Oh the blood!

Oh the gore!

Those poor little menhanden :crying:

Long time ago - Block Island surf - fistfight over crossed lines. Handgun exposed - local police called. A very competitive group of regulars to say the least. Not the place for the timid caster.

DZ

Long time ago - Block Island surf - fistfight over crossed lines. Handgun exposed - local police called. A very competitive group of regulars to say the least. Not the place for the timid caster.

DZ

How come you didn't mention that in your slideshow? :conf: :uhoh: :err: :eek:

I think the most violence I'd ever prepare for would be a rogue wave. It's pretty easy to avoid confrontation unless you're prone to it yourself.

-spence

Never ever had a prob with another fisherman. I will say that when I fish the canal and certain other places late night I carry my 9MM and have for a few yrs now.

I have never had trouble but the main place I fish in an area behind a bar.
2am, drunks guys hanging out, a guy walks by wearing rubber pants....might be a receipe for trouble.

Outside of the violence that occurs when a dogfish is landed, not too much

Seen a few domestic squabbles on the side of the canal, but they dont bother anyone but themselves.

I've been involved in many a violent confrontation from my commercial lobstering days, mostly from when I was younger watching some of the old timmers out of Cohasset go at it. I've seen people throw knifes, bricks, and hammers and have seen a few people have flares shot at them and such. I've heard the stories of a few boats being rammed and the time my grandfather told my dad to get up on the bow of his boat with a baitfork and before he rammed the other boat that was cutting his traps off before his eyes to lunge forward threw the other captain with the baitfork(these people didn't mess around, things are to calm these days:-)

While fishing for pleasure I've come very close to commiting violent acts a few times, but never actualy endaged in a violent act.

Here is an example, and I would have boarded them for sure. I guess this is the hot blooded portuguese in me....

Last year while wireline jigging my friend hooked in a large striper in the 35#+ pound class. While fighting the fish a boat full of googans proceeded to drive their boat across the line while we were trying to land the fish. The line became very tight and we knew they had hooked up on our line. All of a sudden my friends line became very tight and line started peeling off his rod and SNAP, the line broke. I knew the boat full of idiots that had just crossed our line trolling at about 12kts(not kidding) and snapped our line so we drove over to them to get back the jig and wire. We didnt really care about the fish but needed the wire back since we had allready used the spare spool we had brought out. When we get over to their boat guess what I see in one of the guys hands, my friends fish with my jig hanging out of its mouth! I told him we needed back the wire, and jig back and guess what - he told me to F off. When I picked up my gaff and told them I was going to board their boat and beat every single one of them within an inch of there life they had second thoughts and handed over the wire and jig, and fish(which i was going to let them keep). When he went to hand me the fish I took it and toosed it over the side, nobody was keeping that one. In this case if that guy didn't come around I would have boarded his boat, or at least wacked him upside the head with the gaff.

How come you didn't mention that in your slideshow? :conf: :uhoh: :err: :eek:


If my memory serves me correctly, he did. Sometimes the tales from different people blend together for me, so I might be mistaken.

Oh. I must have ducked out to go wee-wee when DZ said that. :wall:

Anyhoo, you guys are killing me.

I go fishing to get AWAY from that kind of crap. The LAST thing I would ever want is to get into a confrontation with anyone in the deep of the night.

I'm more afraid of rabid critters (skunks, racoons) than I am with two-legged bloofish.

Ever walk along the Ditch late at night and hear the screeching of 'coons? :conf:

It's about that time when I start recalling all those awful made-for-TV Peter Benchley flicks ... :err:

Thats usually when I start walkin with my knife in my hand..

Nothing but having my vehicle broken into while fishing. Hunting is another story all together. :whackin:

I've had my truck broken into twice, once at the restaurant across from the Run, the second at Monument Beach. Oddly, it's never happened to me here on Long Island :huh:

Saltheart, Scott Branco and I had a memorable encounter with a couple of basically harmless drunks at the East End a few years back--the "designated driver" was the one who did all the talking and he was only half-way coherent :doh:

There are some places along the mainland side of the Canal where I'd be careful, but to be perfectly honest, driving home among the drunks on the road in the wee hours scares me more than anything else.

I have never been involved in any acts of violence, but I have seen many threats of violence back in the day when everybody was fishing for money. Sometimes alcohol was involved, sometimes just the nature of the people.

The place I dislike the most now is the canal. The proximity to the highway makes it easy for a druggie who wants to do a drive by robbery to have easy access and fast exit. When I fish there I am usually alone and find myself looking over my shoulder a lot more than I like.

I have watched a few but never had one myself
I would probably just walk away, unless I was
sucker punched then I would crawl :wave:

Nothin ever violent, but I am astonished at how many times I have been offered to go out for a "drink" or "dinner" :eek5: They must have been really desperate!!!!!

DZ...sounds like a blatant attempt to "scare" folks from fishing "The Block"! :hidin:

Actually almost beat the snot out of some surfers on several occasions! :rocketem:

Bob Thomas and I were fishing the canal Cape side one night down behind the Christmas Tree shop. Probably 6-8 years ago now and it was early morning 2am-ish. A man walked over to us shaking saying he was just robbed at knife point while fishing. He said a group of guys walking by grabbed his wallet. Police were called. Not pretty but he was fine and a wallet can always be replaced.
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And 4-5 years ago Bob and I "assisted" a EPO at the herring run in Bourne. Several irate guys were in his face yelling at him and it was ugly. Ever since then, the EPO stops and thanks us. No big deal though because nothing happened - just words.

Nothing has personally happened to me though.

Actually almost beat the snot out of some surfers on several occasions! :rocketem:
I hope you were just extracting information about structure, poser :grins:

-spence

one night I saw a knife pulled and blood was drawn big time. it was horrible.

unfortunately Spence was the only person involved in the self mortification :laughs:

That's only because every time I fish with Eben I get skunked :devil:

-spence

A good guide's mission is to put his client on fish, not catch fish :bshake:

Actually almost beat the snot out of some surfers on several occasions! :rocketem:
that was the closest Ive seen....on a couple occations :uhuh:

I ran into this guy around this time last year while fishing in my back yard who was ranting and raving how he was jumped while fishing.

He was a little battered and bloody but I think it was because he took a spill.He was absolutely hammered and kinda just babbling incoherently.That and a couple of the guides on his rod were smashed up.

Last year fishing the East end of the Canal on the Cape side all alone. The tide was running East and since I was alone I was not out at the point but I was working the the area well and getting fish..Around 2am 2 guys come out with their fishing gear head lamps on and flash lights shining all around. They come out to the end and set up right on top of me. They shine there light right in the water I was working and then in my face. I was nice and asked them to give me some room and to stop shinning there lights at me or in the water....Well they started mouthing off and I could smell the booze on them..one of them was swinging his fishing rod near me to taunt me..It was either walk away or throw them in....I decided to walk, I was not mad but was just so dissapointed in the lack of fishing respect...As I walked they kept at it...but i Kept walking.....no one else was on the canal that night so when I got to the parking lot there was only two vehicles in the parking lot, my truck and their car.....I was so tempted to check there tires for them but I did not.......

[QUOTE=S-Journey]I've been involved in many a violent confrontation from my commercial lobstering days, mostly from when I was younger watching some of the old timmers out of Cohasset go at it. I've seen people throw knifes, bricks, and hammers and have seen a few people have flares shot at them and such. I've heard the stories of a few boats being rammed and the time my grandfather told my dad to get up on the bow of his boat with a baitfork and before he rammed the other boat that was cutting his traps off before his eyes to lunge forward threw the other captain with the baitfork(these people didn't mess around, things are to calm these days:-)

While fishing for pleasure I've come very close to commiting violent acts a few times, but never actualy endaged in a violent act.

Van and I witnessed one of those close to commiting a violent acts episodes Rich!!! :wave:

Last year was bad at Block. One guy had his rod tip snapped off. A guy I know had rocks put in the cup of his reel. They actually took off his spool and put rocks inside. Another guy had stuff stolen out of his vehicle. One night there I fished with a friend and we got back early in the morning and I had a flat tire. For many years I've been going there with mo problems. You could leave your rods out and your doors unlocked. Not anymore for me.






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A few years ago I was fishing Southwest Ledge. We had just passed over a spot and got a 35 pounder on eels. When a charter Captain set on top of my drift. I thought no big deal he will drift over the hole then I drive around and drift over it too. As I drove around him he and his crew tried to wave me off. I ignored them and set right where I needed to be. It was a dark and snotty around dusk on a Sunday night. He powered up and came roaring at me aiming foramidships, and then just missed my stern. I was in a 24-foot center console, he was in a 40-foot sports fishing boat. He charters were horrified. He stopped about 30 yards above me. I flipped out and starting screaming at him. My buddy grabbed the gaff and I got the flare gun and then I drove my boat right up to his side and called him every name in the book. I then told him I had friends in the area and we would all kick his ass. If he wanted trouble. He took off for points unknown. I asked around and found out he was from the Cape and had a rep as a tough guy. More like a douche bag to me. I will gladly share his name if you want to know PM me. Those that know me would agree that I am not a voilent person or some sort of hard ass. I think that fear motivated me to act that way. I am not proud of my actions, It would have been better to just report the incident to the Coast Guard and drive away.

I have had several.NJ is a crowded place an unfortunately violence is the only language understood.most often a stern look or a few choice words gets the job done.

Back in the commercial days when the big girls were in abundance on the Back Beach, everyone "carried". I saw headlights taken out one night because the guy was shining them on the water. About 5 rounds from a 9mm Walters solved the problem. This is when Bass were fetching 2 to 3 bucks a pound and I knew some guys that had 900 to 1000 lb nights. Money corrupts

I agree with Wee Wee on this one... I go fishing to get away from all of this crap... I've seen/heard some crazy arguments on the breachways over the years over crossed line and such... My biggest fear are the 4 legged critters... early in the season it's coyotes,skunks,coons,and beavers(yes beavers). later on in the surf it's mainly coons,skunks... every once and a while you'll see a redfox but they are very skittish.

[QUOTE=S-Journey]
While fishing for pleasure I've come very close to commiting violent acts a few times, but never actualy endaged in a violent act.

Van and I witnessed one of those close to commiting a violent acts episodes Rich!!! :wave:


Yes, you did, but you also approched my vessel. In a situation like that you have to be prepared for something to that effect before you pull up alongside.


Now, If you guys had identifed yourself before coming over to me we could have just laughed it off. At the time I just thought you were another misguided Duxburian that had too many cocktails and needed a tounge lashing :bl:

A couple of episodes with the PETA people back in the 80's when I was tuna fishing. a couple of episodes with drunks on the canal late at nite. Just a lot of shouting though never had to get physical.

[QUOTE=S-Journey]I've been involved in many a violent confrontation from my commercial lobstering days, mostly from when I was younger watching some of the old timmers out of Cohasset go at it.

The guys who fish Naushon carry shotguns.

Unless you're from the Hole or an islander, don't plan on your gear lasting long there. :)

They just don't like intruders on their grounds.

[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie]

The guys who fish Naushon carry shotguns.

Unless you're from the Hole or an islander, don't plan on your gear lasting long there. :)

They just don't like intruders on their grounds.

What do you mean by "intruders"? Like trespassers? They own the grounds?

every time I want to go out fishin in the boat the wife finds house work that needs to be done :yak5:

i had a 30 pounda stolen while fishing the canal last year, i put the fish up on the grass and someone walked off with it. At first i thought it was a coon but wht coon can drag a 30 pound fish.

:gu: [QUOTE=Raider Ronnie]


Yes, you did, but you also approched my vessel. In a situation like that you have to be prepared for something to that effect before you pull up alongside.


Now, If you guys had identifed yourself before coming over to me we could have just laughed it off. At the time I just thought you were another misguided Duxburian that had too many cocktails and needed a tounge lashing :bl:


The misguided guy who had too many cocktails may have been Van!!!
Or it could also have been his buddy Tom!!! :gu: :gu:
Sorry Van,
I couldn't resist!!!

:gu: [QUOTE=S-Journey]


The misguided guy who had too many cocktails may have been Van!!!

Sorry Van, or it also could have been Tom!!!
I couldn't resist!!!


Lol, I was just kiddign around, I didnt mistake you guys for the cocktail types. I could tell you were commercial from your setups.

Just trying to have a bit of fun :rotf3:

[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie]:gu:


Lol, I was just kiddign around, I didnt mistake you guys for the cocktail types. I could tell you were commercial from your setups.

Just trying to have a bit of fun :rotf3:


I know Rich!!!
Did you test today?

[QUOTE=S-Journey]


I know Rich!!!
Did you test today?


Yup, 100% on plotting and 85% on the other - all done - paperwork to the CG tomorrow..

[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie]


Yup, 100% on plotting and 85% on the other - all done - paperwork to the CG tomorrow..


excellent capt.
:btu:

[QUOTE=S-Journey]


excellent capt.
:btu:

Thx bud

I'll stop by and see you tomorrow night

I used to get all worked up over territory and get into shouting matches and fights etc. when people got too close but learned a trick that saves your blood pressure and stress level and adds a story or two to your fishing experience.

When the yelling is about to start, just take off all of your clothes and start ranting and raving and watch the place clear out! NOBODY wants to argue or fight with a big hairy naked guy. Works 100% of the time. Would probably be really handy on the beach?

Also, I was affected by my fishing buddy who had VIOLENT stomach cramps and gas on a road trip to go bonefishing in the keys, does that count?

:gu: [QUOTE=S-Journey]
The misguided guy who had too many cocktails may have been Van!!!
Or it could also have been his buddy Tom!!! :gu: :gu:
Sorry Van,
I couldn't resist!!!

But you know I NEVER "EVER" drink while on the boat !!!!

But I to get "misguided" on land pretty often ....... :hihi: :cheers:

In 1985 or 1986 I was fishing Gay Head during the derby just south of Philbins Beach. The access to this area was private but the beach itself really wasn't. My permission to fish there came from an old friend from my days in the old Ritz Cafe when Arthur Pacheco was still alive named Jimmy Manning. At around midnight a jeep grand wagoneer came over the dune and stopped about fifteen feet away from me. I'm sitting in a chair watching a couple of rods, which weren't doing anything. The driver of this wagoneer gets out and plunks his rod in the sand about two feet from my rod, and thats conservatively two feet. It was probably less. He looks down at me and say to me, "your fishing in my spot." My reply was "do tell." Now anyone who knows this area will agree there is probably eight or more miles of beach to fish without restriction and this guys picks my ten square feet.
He and his friend set up shop right on top of my gear and me. His buddy the passenger in the wagoneer never said a word to me. He just smiled a lot. The driver kept up with the stupid words letting me know how much a fool he was. I am not a slouch by no means (learning how to fight was a byproduct of my profession) but I figure if something was going to start they were going to have to do the honors. As much as an a-hole this guy was the possibily of him coming after me just never materialized. Anyway, after about an hour this huge skunk walks up to my bait bucket, which was about two feet to my right just in front of my cold drinks and food. I didn't like the idea of this skunk being so close especially since i had a bigger skunk to my left. I got up and bolted to my left after a moment or two when the skunk looked like it was going to sniff my stinky fish and guts covered footwear. I did not realized when I turned to move how close the driver of the wagoneer was who had been giving me the you know what for an hour. With my shoulder down I mowed the puke over knocking him down and got about twenty feet away from where the skunk was. I started laughing uncontrolably when I realized what happened. The puke wagoneer driver got up and said in a real polite way now, since he found out just how hard he was taken down me (by accident really), "what did you do that for?" I told him about the skunk at that point, which was walking right toward him. The skunk never did pee on us. The puke had the nerve to ask me for tip glue though shortly after this. I looked at him and said "you've got to be s@*^#**g me." I would not give you tip glue for any reason. Their was more banter than this between us than this. He and his buddy left before I did and I made sure when he went over the dune he drove right by my van. I checked his plate later after I left the beach using the pay phone at Alley's General Store, for future reference and my own safety as long as I was on the island fishing during the derby. Now you all know what I do for a living. He was a real putz. The threat was real because there was two of them. If this guy was by himself he never would have opened his mouth. What really pissed me off was that he caught two ten pound bluefish and I caught a couple of rats. I used to live on the vineyard in 1973, and after all these years he's the only person I ever came across fishing on the vineyard or anywhere else for that matter that I ever had words with.