I get down to my favorite spot in gansett tonight around dusk- There are some guys there chunking away twanging bloofish. I go up and ask hows things and they say 'horrible, we've been here since 3 and we keep getting bloofish" I say, "oh, you didnt know???? the bass have moved north, all we have down here is bloofish till fall". The guys say "screw it, we're outa here..hey, you want the rest of our bait???" I look down and there is a pile of 10 or 15 big mackeral.. I say sure, but you take the trash with you- So then I cut 3/4's of it all up into super tiney pieces and start chumming the rip after they leave. I chum... chum... chum...then i throw out a big chunk....

I'm keeping the rest of the story to myself, but lets just say i feel naughty, dirty, and very very guilty... not only for pulling the Jedi mind trick, but for the whoopin i put on many many bass up to.... oh never mind, i dont want to make anyone jealous :hihi:

The best part of the night was that I brought my new abu 6500CS with me to try out... thanks maddog2020 :humpty: It was the perfect reel for doing what i was doing.... freespooling until the pickup :hee:

All I can say to that is THANK YOU... :bl2:

All I can say to that is THANK YOU... :bl2:

shhhh. :kewl: :skulz:

Way to use the Force Eben.

Did you say "These aren't the fish you're looking for..." and move your hand across your body?

You will leave this place and your bait- oh and give me a plug.... :chased: :angel:

i dont want to make anyone jealous :hihi:
OK, then I'll do it for you. :splat:
See how many PM's I get over this one.... ;)
Guys, get out there and fish...There here...

When i read the title of the post i thought Eben was back to boat fishing.

May the force be with you!

u sneaky, rotten basstage :devil2:

LOLZ dave pm sent :kewl: nice fish dood

your from the dark-side......


too funny. :hihi:

My son, this is indeed a terrible thing you have done to these poor gentlemen........It is a good thing that you have confessed your sin, for your penance you should continue to fish regularly and SEND FISHPART ONE DARTER.......

What are you askin' for absolution for--snookering the pilgrims or using chunks? ;)

Congratulations Eben! You were in a situation where you had the opportunity to help out a couple of guys and make them more knowledgeable fishermen. Instead, you lied to them, conned them out of their bait, and reaped the benefits. Is that what fishing is to you - a source of paranoid competition?

I bet at some point during your fishing career, someone helped you out. Maybe they took you to a productive spot, maybe they improved your technique. But you idn't learn ALL OF IT on your own. And this, as I see it, was an opportunity for you to give something back. And you blew it.

Your posts consistently indicate a selfish paranoia. If someone posts that they caught a fish "somewhere in the northern hemisphere", you get all bent out of shape about spot-burning. I have news for you - you don't own the ocean, and those guys you conned last night had just as much right to fish there as you - more of a right, in fact, since they got there first. You seem to have some sense of entitlement, you think no one else has the right to fish in "your" productive spots. I just don't understand that. Others have helped me, and I enjoy helping out when I can.

The next time someone screws you, I hope you remember what you did to those guys, and accept that you had it coming.

Signing off for good.

Jamie M

Jamie ...
are you ok
if people want a fishing coach they better go get a book !!
I love a good story like that.

:kewl: :kewl: :kewl:

life is like this my friend big fish eat little fish on land and in the salt!!!!

I could just be a people hatin' mean guy though

KABOOM! :behead:

-spence

jsullivan -

I'm fine, thanks. I'm not the selfish one who needs to take a deep look in the mirroe.

I'm not looking for a fishing coach. But I don't expect anyone to deliberately go out of their way to lie and sabotoge my night, either.

Why couldn't Eben have just gone to another spot? Every time a newbie like me asks for advive, you old-timers always say "hey, go learn on your own, learning new spots and trying them out is part of the fun". So why didn't he do that? He had to lie to them to get rid of them? That doesn't seem indicative of the work ethic you experts are always bragging about.

I've done worse. :devil2:

I wouldn't get that worked up about it Jamie. Eben is a notorious story teller and has delusions of being Dr. Evil.

Chances are this was really just about a seagull on his favorite rock he had to scare away with a funky dance move. The part about him catching fish was a dead give away :hihi:

-spence

jsullivan -

I'm fine, thanks. I'm not the selfish one who needs to take a deep look in the mirroe.

I'm not looking for a fishing coach. But I don't expect anyone to deliberately go out of their way to lie and sabotoge my night, either.

Why couldn't Eben have just gone to another spot? Every time a newbie like me asks for advive, you old-timers always say "hey, go learn on your own, learning new spots and trying them out is part of the fun". So why didn't he do that? He had to lie to them to get rid of them? That doesn't seem indicative of the work ethic you experts are always bragging about.

I thought you were signing off for good? :hs:

jsullivan -

Sorry, I just saw the bottom of your post.

Yes, big fish do eat little fish. But, some scientists actually believe that human beings and fish are, in fact, different. At least, the ones that I'm lucky enough to know are different, and wouldn't want to catch a fish at the expense of anyone else's enjoyment.

Hey jamie-

if i come across like that well sorry. every post you throw out always sounds like nobody gives you the keys to the castle.... I learned what i know about bass fishing the old fashioned way... i earned it. Guys like you crack me up, trollling these boards for spots, or any info that they can use to better your game.. When guys tell you to shut up and get out there and teach yourself how to fish they are really doing you a favor...... when i am old and ready to hang up the rods, then i will share my secrets.. Until then, i will continue to put a whooopin on any bass i damn well please.

Sounds like you need a keeper dude..

Some of what was said here is true from both perspectives, When I started I was as bad as anyone else at snookering people. After a talk with my brother in law on the subject he said some things that made sense, I think when we post pictures, brag about our catch etc.. It has the reverse reaction we want, people end up hating you! So for the past couple of weeks I have not posted much about what I am catching, Its better sometimes to just stay quiet because along with the praise for catching fish eventually, people are going to want to know the where and when and how, its only natural, and then like john said, we can't complain when people dig as deep as they can to find out. I am not saying never post this stuff, we are all proud sometimes of our catch and its great to share it but, doing it constantly only enflames the masses.


For every post on here that shows a good fish or a great night, there are countless others you never hear about doing the same thing, quietly!
If you read this weeks fisherman you saw Steves report where he said it was getting out of control at a local spot well, whos fault is that? I told him you can't put these reports in the fisherman along with spots and not expect people to find out! He is a classic example of being a victim of his own success and I think now that its to little to late, damage is done. But what little we have left, I think will be keeped quiet from now on. So, what did he gain by telling the world? He lost his spot. is that the price you pay for a pat on the back?? Think about that. I used to do exacly the same thing and began doing it this year but put the brakes on fast! I dont care anymore wheather or not anyone here or anywhere else knows that I am catching fish or not.

I was fairly friendly with Tim Coleman and fished with him on more than one occasion, now, he hardly speaks to me? the reason is that When I caught my 50 I opened my big mouth and he still holds it against me that the spot has become so heavily fished, I regret it all the time.


Now as for what happend last night, I have been in that situation and, can honestly say lately that while I wont offer to take someone with me I have, this year, run into new people at spots I have fished for many years, I tell them I am surprised there are so many new faces and grumble at them some, I go on about to many cars etc... But then on the other hand after the rant I open up and tell them when and how, Its even worse if they see me hook up? They know anyway. I think for the most part I am a friendly guy when I bump into people at night but, I am also guarded I mean I dont know this guy from atom? So I talk for awhile and feel things out if I like the person I talk, If they are cocky know it alls or punk kids I shut up or walk away.

As far as telling them "everything" Nope I dont do that but I will give a starting point, I am under no obligation whatsoever to spill my guts to strangers about what I have learned over the years, If you give them a little and a starting point they should be able to figure some things out on there own, Casting to a new rock pile and hooking a bass is a great feeling of acomplishment and all the more sweet when you did it on your own.

I know how eban comes accross here but I have met him and I think he is a good guy, I will also take the liberty of saying that this post is most likely a little exagerated, From the talks I have had with eban he is always willing to share his info so maybe, just maybe, the post was half true and a sprinkle of humor added in, or maybe the guys out there were victims of there own stupidity, I would never leave a spot if someone told me to? second, its there own fault!!! for :walk: away.

So maybe we should all be carefull that this board does not become the "BRAGGING BOARD" Cause it looks like its heading that way to me...........

Why couldn't Eben have just gone to another spot?

take some time and read this GENTELMAN spends some serious time at the waters edge. we fish where we fish for a reason
I sometimes show up at a spot a fer hrs before what I know will be primetime and find people there, "hey hows it goin ?" they say slow and I know it will heat up soon. should I tell them to stay ?

P.S. I thought it was a funny story

Well said #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.

Nicely said Bill, it's just too bad it has to be that way... :hs:
It is nice to be able to post pix, I like to see other guys pix of large. It doesn't make me jelous or pissed, it makes me drive harder to get large myself.
It's just too bad there is so much hate and jelousy in the world. We should be happy for others fortune...

good post #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& :D


actually, my story is completely bogus.... I got skunked agian.... in westerly ;)

Thats the nature of the beast Dave, Sad but true, success in every form of life makes someone somewhere jealous, in fishing its the worst. I have had my nights so thankfully it does not get to me if I have a bad night and trust me everyone has bad nights, everyone. So if I meet someone on the beach who is friendly and pleasent I will tell them most anything I am just not going to hold someones hand.

I am struggling lately because I no longer have my partner Joe to fish with, We kept each other going and now I have to push myself to fish for more than two hours its tough, so Know i realize how goos it is to have a partner, Lately when I am fishing I find that I am talking to myself....My point is that now when I run into someone I am kind of happy to stand there and shoot the Sh$$T for a while I like the company.

When I first bumped into eban he told me he did not want to crowd me and would move down to the next point ( which I respect by the way) My reaction was no, come over here plenty of room :bl2: I enjopyed the company, is my point.

I sometimes wonder if there will ever be another Joe, I miss that .

.


For every post on here that shows a good fish or a great night, there are countless others you never hear about doing the same thing, quietly!
.
:hihi:

I think #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& has summed it up pretty well here and done so in a very diplomatic way. I have learned my lesson and I know Fishaholic18 has too. We had a few good nights this week, we caught more big fish than I have ever taken from the surf in one night. We posted a few of the many pics we took, and poor Dave has been feeling the heat ever since. So as for giving someone a starting point, why don't you start where we did when we found the spot we are fishing.... spend some time scouting, without the rod, find your holes and those little places where the currents makes up a little more than any other place on the beach. We worked hard and put our time in to find these spots, and it has paid off. I won't be posting pics anymore, I'm just as happy to look at everyone else's :). I love to fish, I love to fish with new people, I love to help people out, but it really goes up my @$$ sideways when people relentlessly badger you for having a good night.

Mike and Paul - This was not directed at you guys in any way just so you don't get the wrong idea :).

Hopefully we'll be hearing that drag sing again tonight

when i am old and ready to hang up the rods, then i will share my secrets...

Hey you old infirm geezer - I'm all ears. :bshake:

Hopefully we'll be hearing that drag sing again tonight
Where ? :tooth:

I for one, love seeing pics of large, I am happy for them because i know how great it feels and most of the time how hard they had to work to find them...

I like seeing the Pics of large also..... Keeps the juices flowin. I never look at a pic and say anything but Wow, Nice fish. Its nice to see people doing well out there.

Since this has all turned into a lovefest, I think that cnalman and dave should invite me along tonight :love: :love: :rotf3: :rotf3:

Just kiddin guys good luck guys

:call: ........................

Chances are this was really just about a seagull on his favorite rock he had to scare away with a funky dance move. The part about him catching fish was a dead give away
Classic....just classic.....I can see Eben right now wiggling those hips to "Staying Alive"....... :jump:

"When I caught my 50 I opened my big mouth and he still holds it against me that the spot has become so heavily fished, I regret it all the time."

AS IF HE SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT!!!

I like to see people with some pictures of their catches and their stories, but nothing specific. I find it amusing to hear about their adventures. Besides, those cow pictures keep me going.

I agree....I love to look at pics as well...and I will admit getting jealous of seeing people catching nice fish when I am not.....however..it's that same feeling that makes me want one even more, makes me try harder, fish harder and longer.....I fish alone 99% of the time...not because I want to, but because it's hard for me to find guys to fish with sometimes...but that wont stop me from going out there everytime I can to get me my own cow...it will happen...and it will feel that much better when it does...

It's too bad that a few guys will ruin it for everyone else.....I love to look at large!!

I saw a post on another site that asked if there was any action in the North river or is it over for the season. Pretty funny!

Until the day I die, my goal is to stay alive. Survival of the fit, only the strong survive. :devil:

Well said #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& :claps:

I'm also happy to see other peoples fish. As you can see by my number of posts I'm not exactly a seasoned vetern here. I would be lying if I said I joined this site simply for info. I like the interaction of "fish talk" and not revealing spots and posting your catchs is one of the main reasons this site exists.

If I'm fishing with a friend and we both hook up at the same time. I honestly hope that his fish is bigger than mine. This may be due to the fact that I don't catch "cows" often, so big fish are all good to me even if its not on my line. (like when my sister caught a 38 inch bass last year and I caught blue fish and sea robins)

I live for fishing and when you are 200 miles from the ocean sometimes fishporn is all ya get.

Good thing it wasn't some of the old timers. We would have pushed them into the water.

I knew many of the "old timers" they wouldent have pushed anyone in the water, in fact..Gill G, jack sunday, tony bucci,bob ward, all those guys taught me alot they were never rude........

That was a pretty funny story. I don’t feel bad for them, though. 5-6 hours of catching bloos beats my day yesterday by a long shot.

Keep the pictures coming.

There is something to be said about not making any conversation on the rocks and out of habit I stay off a spot if there are people there, especially Newbies and or chunkers, nothing against either, but regardless our fishing styles probably arent going to jive, so I keep away as much as possible;
on the rocks I am far from a surf sharpie; I do pretty well from a boat and hit it hard and do OK from the surf, but I love being out there on the rocks of sand at night..... I enjoy the solitude, the quiet; there are a handfull of guys I fish with, some more than others, it is always fun, but rarely do we stand shoulder to shoulder fishing, you chat on the walk in and the walk out; the rest of the night, go fish...
My habit is to walk by people I dont know, does it make me rude? maybe no news is bad news or vise versa, but I'll stick to my stealth mode

who knows, you may inadvertanly piss someone off, then the come on here and you realize it was someone who had posted for years, or 10min later they realize they'd been had and tires are popped etc.. there are alot of wack jobs out there...

E; you did better then us; ask BIJ about the adventure :D too bad... they were there... just didnt get the drift figured out in time....

Here are a few of Jamie Ms spots.... he wants to share, so everyone should fish there :hihi:

This really is not necessary. I remember when you originally came aboard, your lips were very looooooossseeee, As were most if not all of us - at first. - JohnR

Eben, Awesome Thanx.....Much Appreciated :kewl: :hihi:


Being from the Lowell area I have many a friend that likes to Fish. I'll see if I can get a big group together for the trip. Jamie M What kind of beer do you drink? I want to make sure we bring enough. Are those places Kid friendly...I got a mess of neices and nephews that will probably be coming.

:cheers:

C'mon guys, go easy.....Pretty funny though... :biglaugh:
Now let's go get some large and post pix tomorrow!!! ;)

I don't mean to knock the guy and obviously I don't know how serious he is about the sport or the amount of time he puts in but when you've been a member of a fishing board since January of '01 I don't think your considered a newbie. I know Googan is what would come to the minds of many but again I don't know, there may be circumstances that affect some and their outcome. I'm by no means a sharpie, in fact far from it. I would consider myself a hungry as defined by one of Joe's articles (Googans Vs. Sharpies). I started to get into this seriously about a year and half ago. Fortunate for me I had over 30 plus years of freshwater fishing knowledge and principles to apply. There was still a learning curve but like many I read some of the right books, watch some fishing shows or videos and asked questions from those I know had the answers and were willing to divulge what most consider secret, treasured and valuable info. But most of all I put in the time, that more than anything is what will make you successful and take you through the steps of googan, hungry and sharpie. Time and experience will be your best teachers. It's amazing how much you can learn just by watching those who are successful, though most will happen under the cloak of darkness you'll still see plenty in the evening and false dawn till just after sunrise. Aside from this I'd recommend stopping in the local B&T, tell them what your after, ask where to go and what to use, and make a purchase. That being said I need to get out more, haven't been putting in enough time this year.

I don't know what's going on here but knock it off.

I am locking this and if John or the others want to open it up, then fine. but there is no need to pile on any members here.

I don't know what's going on here but knock it off.

I am locking this and if John or the others want to open it up, then fine. but there is no need to pile on any members here.

I agree... This is a classic example of why Internet threads spiral. And a Posse thread in the making so we'll squash that...

I know Eben a little and he would share, to an extent with people more publicly but eventually seated himself to sharing more privately. So he does share. As for his story while I probably would not have done the same thing, I most likely would not have coached someone along.

In a somewhat similar situation years ago, Bill and I showed up at one of the long since overrun by reports places in Charleston where a fella just of legal drinking age was trying to impress his friend and his gal in the finer points of fishing. This "gent" chose to dress himself up in the "River Runs Thruough It" fashion so common at the time (he maybe even had suspenders on - can't remember). So this "gent", we'll call him Stu, had taken this spot over with the long wand - which would shut out every and anyone else from using it - then 5-10 people a night, now up to 25 - said he had been there all day, including a little while during the precious falling tide. He declared when Bill and I walked up that we would not catch a fish and it was not worth trying. He had such great confidence in his ability that he KNEW there were no fish.

On Bill's first cast he had a high 20#er and in my first cast I had a lowe 20#er, "Yep, no fish here"... "Stu" and his freinds left.

Well next year, "Stu" was someone we would se more often and "Stu" would eventually wiggle his way into fishing with several of us fairly frequently, I fished with him a couple times but I never really trusted the guy. He fished with Steve and Bill and Joe, among others, learing a lot of the good info, the wheres certainly, but the important whens too. He learned where to tresspass and soaked up all of this info. Sucked the knowledge tree as dry as he could in such a short time.

Then "Stu" started shore guiding people in to these places, every hole he was shown that produced he would charge people and take them in there and even occasionally catch a fish. And boasting and boasting about fish caught at spot after spot, to further drum up guide biz.... Well, that failed and his dad stopped paying his fishing "tuition" and he had to go back to Jersey.

"Stu" is a fine example of going the otherway and "giving" away everything to someone. If much of the knowledge necessary to being successful on the water is not EARNED, it will not be RESPECTED. And I mean respected not necessairly by others but by the person that wields the stick and did the learning.

So information, including "spots", are best given out in smaller bits and pieces from time to time, enough to steer someone in the right direction. Not all the info all the time.

Now what should Eben have done? Tell 3 or 4 guys standing in a spot that prevents him from fishing to tell them to wait 90 minutes until the tide floods and when the spot typically heats up? I've gone to places and seen people bang away all day to no avail and I hit them just as the people leave. I'm also sure I've "chummed" up a spot for someone as well.

These people may have been hacks - if that is what I saw I might have said something similar too, but not kept the mackeral (unless really fresh :hihi: ).

If it had been a guy taking his son or daughter fishing, yeh I would have probably steered them right. If it looked like someone genuinely trying to make things working I might offer a tip or two, but if it is a bunch of hacks? Loudmouths? People drinkin' and fishin' - No way no how, I'd seriously consider lying thru my :tooth: :hihi:


We'll keep this thread open a liitle longer as long as it does not turn into:

A) A pissing contest
or
B) A pig pile

Good post john.. your right i used to share more on these boards publicly, but the problem is that i would rather share with one or 2 people than to broadcast it to the whole world.

Just to clarrify my story, i get down there and these guys had 4 flats of mackeral that were uncut- who knows how much they had already cut up and tossed. They had a 12 pack of budwieser and more thanhalf was empty.

Nothing burns me up when i get down to some of the spots in gansett only to see trash left from fishermen.. im not pointing fingers, but most if not all trash is left by bait fishermen.... to me, they are the enemy. because of them, they get spots closed down. .. okay back to the story. I talked to them for a few minutes to see how they were doing and these guys had no respect for the ocean.. every bluefish they reeled in they punted back, or threw in a tidal pool to die they even told me that any bass they caught under 34 inches was going back too, which only told me that they had connections to commercial sales.... Not cool IMO.. After sizing them up for a while, i made the decsion to go jedi on them and tell them that the bass werent around..

IF these guys looked to me like the real deal, i would have sung like a song bird.. but they were meat hunting, and i chose to do way with them.. As for people attacking me for doing this, i guarrantee you would have done the same thing if this was going down in one of your favorite spots... :splat:

you can call it paranoia, but i would rather call it protecting valuable information from those who i dont know.

funny.....

i want wanted posters of eben to post everywhere.... dr evil ... rich

Eben, I agree with you, now that you explained what they were like. BUT, I also think you should have said it that way in the beginning. OR, were you just trying to get a reaction from someone?
I am basically a BAIT Fisherman. I use Bait because I really don't know how to make a lure do what it is supposed to do. I never had anyone to teach me.

I know one thing:I'm tired of picking up beer cans,plastic bottles and bait boxes/bags when there are a dozen garbage cans that it could be thrown in on the way out.Where the crowds go the garbage soon follows.Its people of all types including fisherman,partiers etc.

I know one thing:I'm tired of picking up beer cans,plastic bottles and bait boxes/bags when there are a dozen garbage cans that it could be thrown in on the way out.Where the crowds go the garbage soon follows.Its people of all types including fisherman,partiers etc.
That's why I like to fish spots where no man has gone before, and never will, If I can help it!!! :skulz:

Just to clarrify my story, i get down there and these guys had 4 flats of mackeral that were uncut- who knows how much they had already cut up and tossed. They had a 12 pack of budwieser and more thanhalf was empty.

Nothing burns me up when i get down to some of the spots in gansett only to see trash left from fishermen.. im not pointing fingers, but most if not all trash is left by bait fishermen.... to me, they are the enemy. because of them, they get spots closed down. .. okay back to the story. I talked to them for a few minutes to see how they were doing and these guys had no respect for the ocean.. every bluefish they reeled in they punted back, or threw in a tidal pool to die they even told me that any bass they caught under 34 inches was going back too, which only told me that they had connections to commercial sales.... Not cool IMO.. After sizing them up for a while, i made the decsion to go jedi on them and tell them that the bass werent around..



I could pretty much tell that from the get-go. The fact that they so willingly gave you 4 flats of macks tells me they weren't about to take that bait home, bag it, and freeze it for future use. At best, they would have tossed the rest of it in and left the stinking cardboard on the rocks. Chances are, the macks would have been left there to rot, or else tossed in some brush.

I'll help out anyone who looks like they have respect for the sport, and who looks like he or she wants to make an effort to learn. I won't lift a finger for someone I peg as a lazy slob who's looking for instant success without doing a little work on his own. I also actively discourage people who are going to jeopardize my continued access. There is nothing morally wrong with running a snow job on people who don't belong there in the first place, and whose continued presence at a spot is going to result in your being denied precious access.

On the other hand, I've always lived by the rule that the guy who gets there first has the right to fish a spot the way he wants. If I want to drag bottom with a bucktail, or drift a plug or an eel in an outflow, and there's a guy there with a 10 wt fly rod doing his thing, I either fish around him or go somewhere else. While I hate to generalize, the guy with the fly rod probably shares the same ethic I do with respect to leaving a place as he found it and being circumspect about access issues. Here on the South Shore, there's a guy named Anthony who I know slightly, who likes to fish a certain bridge shadow line with his fly rod. He's pretty much a fly purist now. Times when a few regulars have arrived with their surf gear, Anthony has no problem adjusting to the flow to let everyone fish, and we do the same for him. Mutual respect goes a long way, but it's something sadly lacking in most of the slobs out there.


Now, if the chap with the long wand doesn't want to play ball and let me fish the place too, that's a whole different kettle of fish---I've never seen a 10 wt yet that could win a tug of war with a 9-1/2' Fisher and a conventional spooled with 50# braid ;)

Eben, I agree with you, now that you explained what they were like. BUT, I also think you should have said it that way in the beginning. OR, were you just trying to get a reaction from someone?
I am basically a BAIT Fisherman. I use Bait because I really don't know how to make a lure do what it is supposed to do. I never had anyone to teach me.

was i trying to get a reaction??? no.. what i was tying to do was post a funny story about how i pulled a fast one one some guys who were up to no good, and totally reaped the rewards of their stupidity.. Sure, i could have giving them a lesson and showed them how to hook up with some bass, but that would have been a huge mistake... thier sucess would only fuel them to go back time and time agian, and then this place that is usually quiet would be trashed in no time.. I have seen it happen many many times. :hs:

I cant believe how this post grew so quick. Almost like a february post when we are all sitting on our tails dreaming of a dink. Damn good story though.

Eben,
I like the story before you completely clarified it on the third page. :walk:
Way to go.

everyone distribute this wanted poster until we aprehend this desperado!

:rotfl:

nice one raven! :hihi: