With fall approaching, I'm seriously thinking about breaking down and buying a drytop. I know the Aquaskinz Evo II is a great product. I also just learned about a product from Simms, --> http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=PRODUCT_DETAILS&CAT=outerwear&PROD.ID=21475
that seems similar. Anyone had any experience with the Simms product? Any recommendations.
Thanks

I've had the Simms Surf Top for a couple of months and love it so far.

Anyone know of any that can take a machine washing?

NRS dry tops are the best by far. Similiar in price too.

NRS drytops seem more kayak oriented. The Simms and Aquaskinz have more fishing oriented features such as a front pocket. But maybe I'm not looking at the right model.

The Simms top is pretty awsome, I've been washing mine in the machine so far with no ill effect.

-spence

U read any of the fly fishin mags when they do reveiws the Simms product are always top o the heap.There gore-type jacket is supposedly the best.Same as their breathable wader line.I see they dayglo orange ones in their adds.I think they alsomake a bloo.I would go wit one but I have the Aquaskins From RI Joe already an I'm pretty happy wit it..

Bought the Simms a few months ago, but as I have only been boat fishin for the past month and a half, I haven't used it much. The few times I have, I have been pretty happy with it. Do sweat on long walks with just a t-shirt. I really like the big usable pockets on it. Only problem I foresee is that I had to get a large so I could layer in the fall, and the neck may over time not be tight enough. We'll see. So afr so good.

got an evo ll and rampage, love em.

whatever top you get, i don't think it will last with repeated machine washing. :behead:

i think it's best just to soak them in a tub of warm soapy water, using fairly mild detergent is possible.

Bought the Simms a few months ago, but as I have only been boat fishin for the past month and a half, I haven't used it much. The few times I have, I have been pretty happy with it. Do sweat on long walks with just a t-shirt. I really like the big usable pockets on it. Only problem I foresee is that I had to get a large so I could layer in the fall, and the neck may over time not be tight enough. We'll see. So afr so good.

I wear a large to x-large normally (t-shirt)...so I assume I should get an extra-large to layer?

The Simms top fits snug around the middle and has more room around the shoulders. I'm between an XL and XXL and the XXL Simms top is a perfect fit.

17-35 dress shirt if that helps.

-spence

The Simms top fits snug around the middle and has more room around the shoulders. I'm between an XL and XXL and the XXL Simms top is a perfect fit.

17-35 dress shirt if that helps.

-spence

Spence is right. I'm a 17 1/2" neck size, 36" sleeves, 6'3", and the Simms XXL is the perfect size. The Simms care tag on the inside says just wash machine cold with no dryer (just line dry).

If its anywhere near as good as there waders, I am going to buy one! Its either that or the evo11, I really wish they had a zipper on the neck, because I love to wear my sweatshirts under them, But I like the simms products they really are made well!

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2571&deptid=947#

Notice the pocket? and the price :spin:

Notice the pocket? and the price :spin:

$65 ain't bad at all!

Now THAT I can afford.

WOW. Who has one?!?! Are they any good at all? Will it last more than one season? $65 is an awesome price.

-Zac

Those dry tops are nice when u wanna go deep in ur waders an not get wet.i'm not really a fan of that an will wetsuit if goin deep.for foul weather I use a grundens pullover top i got last yr.it has neopreme cuffs an is fleece lined which makes it alittle hot when warm.plus it has a hood. in the dry top type.I have the opposite problem from most the neopreme collar was chokin me (an it was hard to get over my ears).I hadda go wit the 3x.for comfort.it's pleny roomy though Which is good for groovin.

Nice thing about the Simms top is that the neck and wrists are not so constricting...easier to get on and more comfortable to wear...

Unless of course you want a true dry top, then the EVO may be the better top for you...

-spence

http://www.hellyhansen.com/SS05/index_flash.html

http://www.hellyhansen.com/SS05/index_flash.html

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. This one has a velcro neck. I saw one at the HH store in Newport. I think it was around $130.

I love my Simms drytop, had plenty of water come over my head and stayed bone dry...I have put a good amount of hours on mine and it still performs. I just rinse it down with fresh when i get home (with everything else) and hang it...I give it a thumbs up :kewl:

I got a gift certficate to Patagonia and bought a kayak jacket called the Seaward Pullover which is for expedition paddling. It has same double type wrist set up as the aquaskinz, a neoprene neck that is adjustable with a velcro strap so you can loosen it up-but the best feature is that it has a hood. When its raining or a rogue waves comes in its great. Really comfortable --no feeling like you are being strangled. Also has a pocket.

Only problem is its $210- which for Patagonia is not too bad. So far I like it. I will really test it out on Cuttyhunk in September.

Theres an NRS top around $200 i think. It has double gaskets that hold up to being put on and off. They are made of some sort of a rubber or silcone. Plus theres a gasket around your waist that doesnt let water in so you stay completely dry. It works awesome with a wetsuit especially when you climb up on a rock after being neck deep. If it doesnt have that bottom seal the water comes in and gets trapped above your wading belt. A pain to drain and adds 80#s to your wieght when pulling yourself up.

I tried on the $65 NRS to and found it extremely uncomfortable. I have the Aqua-Skinz EVO II and its done the job. However my buddy had the seems rip on his evo II after a month of use. after looking at the Simms top I think it looks more durable.

I tried on the $65 NRS to and found it extremely uncomfortable. I have the Aqua-Skinz EVO II and its done the job. However my buddy had the seems rip on his evo II after a month of use. after looking at the Simms top I think it looks more durable.

The $65 version from NRS does not seem to be the same level product as either the Aquaskinz Evo II or the Simms product I found at --> http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?...r&PROD.ID=21475

As with anything else, you get what you pay for.

Theres an NRS top around $200 i think. It has double gaskets that hold up to being put on and off. They are made of some sort of a rubber or silcone. Plus theres a gasket around your waist that doesnt let water in so you stay completely dry. It works awesome with a wetsuit especially when you climb up on a rock after being neck deep. If it doesnt have that bottom seal the water comes in and gets trapped above your wading belt. A pain to drain and adds 80#s to your wieght when pulling yourself up.


Only problem is when you swim out to those rocks "neck deep" you have left all the good fish behind you :btu:

I am going with the simms top, seems like the best to me, I have heard several bad things about the aqua skins.......

Theres an NRS top around $200 i think. It has double gaskets that hold up to being put on and off. They are made of some sort of a rubber or silcone. Plus theres a gasket around your waist that doesnt let water in so you stay completely dry. It works awesome with a wetsuit especially when you climb up on a rock after being neck deep. If it doesnt have that bottom seal the water comes in and gets trapped above your wading belt. A pain to drain and adds 80#s to your wieght when pulling yourself up.

True latex gaskets are pretty intense, but literally waterproof. Frog's ass, watertight. It's the same sort of gaskets they use in survival suits. I've tested mine many times and NO water comes in thru those gaskets.

I have a kayak drytop (drytops have latex gaskets at both the neck and wrists, traditionally anything else is a splashtop) I bought for surf-fishing, but to be honest I rarely use it these days. The gaskets kind of bugged me. But there's nothing more waterproof.

I've also had both the Aquaskinz and Simms splashtops and had failures with both. I'm really not sure that light neoprene material they use for the neck gasket is up to what surf fisherman throw at it; I've had tears in both products at that spot. They also aren't 100% waterproof in the way latex gaskets are. I'm not going to stop carrying either product, but I'll definitely be cautioning all who buy them to put them on and off carefully. Latex gaskets can fail too (although they definitely last far longer) but they are replaceable.

That's not exactly a glowing endorsement from someone who sells both products, but then again most people who know me know I'll tear any product apart online or in the store (even if it costs a sale) if I don't think it's quite up to par.

I'm with Rizzo, I fish in the wetsuit mostly now and I add a splash or drytop when I need to be a bit warmer. Waders with a carefully put on splashtop the rest of the time.

This discussion has brought up Aquaskinz, Simms & NRS...

I'll give you the difference for me...

Aquaskinz is a sponsor of this site and regularly spomsors/donates/supports the organizations and causes that we on this board care about. If these three products are in the same money and quality range then I have to choose the Aquaskinz as they are a part of this community vs the other two. Have you ever seen Simms donate to your local fishing club, charity tournament or sponsor this or any other web site...

point made...

No Question.I've met Kadir first class guy.I have no dought in my mind he will stand behind their product.
I never met mr simms.No plans to go to montana any time soon either.

This is an interesting topic, one that I really did not want to comment on but now I feel compelled to do so.

To answer the comment that has been brought up regarding a cuff or a neck seal tearing, yes that can, will and does happen. This isn't due to being a weakness or a poor design but due more to the stress caused by the users to those areas. On the AquaSkinz site we have put up a link for proper doning and removing of the tops for this very reason. If you pull a rubber band beyond its limits it will snap, same thing here.

To the novice this may seem like it should not happen but to the experienced individual who has used these types of "technical" garments, it is expected, especially if the garment is being used extensively and even more so if it is being put on and removed incorrectly.

For the most part the fishing community is new to this concept and we have been at the forefront in introducing this to this community; hence taking a beating at times unjustly. I personally have been fishing in a wet suit for more than 12 years and in dry top for about ten years. I have more than half dozen dry tops that are now un-used, due to either a tear in the cuff or the neck seal. Why? It costs anywhere from $60.00 to $80.00 to change out a rubber cuff seal and $120-$150 to do a neck seal. It is cheaper to buy a new jacket most of the time.

The other thing is, the rubber gasgets used in most dry tops have about half the life expectancy of the neoprene gasgets we use, trust me, I have done extensive re-search on this. The rubber seals will dry and rot in a relatively short period of time in the salt water even if you wash them regularly. They need to be kept oiled, kinda like a moisterizer. My experience is that most fisherman will not due this but people who kayak exclusively and people who yacht do, hence extending the life of the jacket.

Everyone has a right to buy the product they deem the best for them but I can assure you as an owner of a company that has brought a new concept to fishing the shores of the NE coast that we work very diligently to make sure we have covered as many of the bases as we can think of and when there is a problem, we take care of our clients.

There are large companies out there (S***s) that went as far as trying to buy our EVO2 on the sneak and then copied our design! Why? Because we did all the research, we designed it for the fisherman, we marketed it and then they jumped on our coat tails. They even solicited our dealers off of our web site. You would think a company the size of S***s would have their own ability to design, market and sell but I guess they thought it easier to scavange off of our hard work. That is okay, that is business.

Just for the record, the EVOII has had some minor adjustments for the reasons noted above. The cuff design has been slighlty changed for the better as has the neck seal. Are they impervious to damage, no. They still must be cared for and the proper techniques must be applied for the longevity of the product. I still have customers that are using their original Evolutions without a hitch. Just this past weekend I had to teach a very, very experienced fisherman the way to remove the top as he was pulling and stretching the cuffs beyond what they should be expected to handle. My point, people are still learning the proper way.

Many years ago, there were rods that were like broom sticks, you could throw a pound of lead and a whole bunker and they wouldn't flintch, now we have state of the art rods of all kinds, with specific weight variances and we know we can't or we shouldn't go much beyod those variances. This is kinda the same theory. It will take some time for people to understand this when it comes to these typed of garments.

As a far as fool proof products go, there are none that I am aware of. We make what we believe to be the best tops for the applications they are intented for. No other dry top in the market place is going to give the freedom up top for movement we require that the EVO or the Hurricane is going to give. They just aren't cut for it. Even the competitor who copied our design didn't calculate that. Why? Because they are not fisherman catering to fisherman's needs, that simple.

I apologize if I have gone on too long with this. For those that supported us when we first came on the seen and for those that continue to support us, THANK YOU! We will continue to do our best and we will continue to provide superior customer service. We will continue to support the local causes, organizations, tournaments and events as it is what this company believes in.

Thanks again, best regards and good fishing.

Kadir Akturk
President
AquaSkinz Corp.

My experience with the Aquaskinz Evo jacket has not been good-it has leaked since the first time I put on in the surf at the front shoulder seams-and I was recommended to "wear it a few more times in the salt and see if it seals it"- it didn't. So now I wear my Aquaskinz jacket with my rain jacket over it and that keeps me somewhat dry. I suppose I'll pick up one of the new Simms jackets over the winter when I'm not blowing all my hard earned money on eels or gas. Kind of a bite in the a$$ when you spend 240 bucks on a spruce goose tho...unfortunately the big companies will offer you a warrantie of sorts when their product fails, not excuses.

I tried on the evo11 at quaker lane tonight, I like it but man, that neck cuff is just so uncomfortable? it seems to tight, the other thing I noticed is that the sleeves were very hard to get on, I cant imagine what it would be like on a hot humid night when your sweating ! Why cant there be some sort of zipper on the sleeve cuff?? would make things easier I think, I like the rampage top the best because the neck has a zipper, only problem is its way to warm now...Cant the evo11 have a zippered neck also?

Interesting, coming from a guy with 3 posts. I did PM you but no reply! Maybe you will see this kadir@aquaskinz.com. Feel free to contact me directly, I will be happy to speak to you about your claim.

If you've got a legitimate issue, you would have contacted us directly and we would have addressed it. This is basically horse $h%t. No one here would ever tell you to use it and "see if it seals"! Why is it that there are always people out there trying to bad mouth and bring down one company or person for no real reason? Is this what your about? It's easy to hide behind you're monitor isn't it? Contact me and let's talk.

Eel man,

Once a zipper is sewn onto the neck seal it will no longer provide a perfect seal around your neck and thereby leak water in from that area. The cuffs will stretch to fit your neck & wrists after a few wears but still provide the seals to keep the water out.


If you buy the top, please go the the AquaSkinz web site and just quickly read through the instructions, it will be useful. They are found on the products page under a seperate tab.

Kadir

Eel man,

Once a zipper is sewn onto the neck seal it will no longer provide a perfect seal around your neck and thereby leak water in from that area. The cuffs will stretch to fit your neck & wrists after a few wears but still provide the seals to keep the water out.


If you buy the top, please go the the AquaSkinz web site and just quickly read through the instructions, it will be useful. They are found on the products page under a seperate tab.

Kadir

Thanks, the top does seem well made, I am going to buy a rampage top for sure! I am just unsure on a lightweight summer top. I will try it again, thanks

Budget wise the NRS at $65 is the only one I can afford so it looks like that's the one I'm getting.

Its too bad there isn't a 'Skinz for us guys on a budget.Someday?

I am going to buy a rampage top for sure!
The Rampage top is excellent :love:

-spence

The Rampage top is excellent :love:

-spence


I agree; it's like an evolved Grundens Brigg Pullover. Warmer and drier.

I have the EVO II great top. :btu:

I tried on the evo11 at quaker lane tonight, I like it but man, that neck cuff is just so uncomfortable? it seems to tight, the other thing I noticed is that the sleeves were very hard to get on, I cant imagine what it would be like on a hot humid night when your sweating ! Why cant there be some sort of zipper on the sleeve cuff?? would make things easier I think, I like the rampage top the best because the neck has a zipper, only problem is its way to warm now...Cant the evo11 have a zippered neck also?

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&,

I.M.O. the cuff on the evo II won't bother you much at all . The benefits of being dry far out way the small discomfort(if any) that you might experience.

Also, before you commit to the rampage give the Hurricane a chance. It comes in handy in Ocober and November if you fall on you arse in the wash.

it's nice to see a sponsor chime in, even if their product is being questioned. thanks kadir for informing us all on how your company listens to our requests and changes your product by improving it so that it is the best on the market.

i purchased a hurricane top last fall and used it when the temps were below 45 or when it was a downpour. that top is great. i stay dry and i am extremely warm in the top. yeah, the neck was tough to get used to, but after a couple trips, it's like any other piece of clothing you wear. throw a long-sleeved t under it and i was fine. this year, i'll be sporting a under armor long sleeve t to help my body breathe under it as with any neoprene, you sweat and the sweat is what gets cold and then makes you get cold. the under armor worked great for me this winter ice fishing. i have the dry hood to wear over this top for this year.

and, since we're on the subject, i now have a pair of the 'skins thunder gloves to wear this fall when the temps are cold. i had a fellow sponser with me a few times last year who was using a prototype pair. he was throwing braid all day/night. after the season you looked at the gloves and you couldn't even tell they were used with braid. that was enough for me. when a product works, i am more than happy to acknowledge it. thanks for making some great products, kadir. keep it up!

You are right Seawolf, thanks Kadir for your input :)

I definetly want a Hurricane top for the end of this fall...I saw one first hand not to long ago and it looks sweet...

I totally agree about the sponsors, where else can you talk with Da Man :kewl:

Kadir is a class act and does, in my opinion, strive to put out the best product available. He also does not hide behind his monitor......but he does "stand" behind his products and we have seen him here time and again making good on problems, addressing issues and trying to keep the consumer happy! This is the kind of company you want to do business with in my opinion! Keep up the great work Kadir and remember....you can please some of the people some of the time.....but you can't please all of the people all of the time.....but thanks for trying!

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2571&deptid=947#

Notice the pocket? and the price :spin:

Was just at Eastern Mountain Sports here in Middletown.They had the NRS PowerHouse jacket.At $95 also a very nice product from 1st impressions.
I was comfortable in it.

No Endurance jackets though.Would've very much liked to have tried it on also.

I can honestly say that out of all fishing tackle or gear manufacturers that I came across over the years ,and believe me there were many,Kadir has been one of the most responsive owners in dealing with its costumers.The man bends over backwards to help those who purchase any Aquaskinz product.I own (bough and paid for ,thank you very much) all the jackets they made and so do most of my friends.The only problem I had was when water started leaking thru the gaskets but that was because I lost forty pounds in weight.
Did some guys had problem with their tops ?Yes but the question is has manufacturer dealt with the problem.To my knowledge .yes.That's all any customer can ask.

Thanks guys for recognizing our efforts, we appreciate it. We will continue to do our best to serve you all will our best efforts as without you, there is no AquaSkinz.

Regards and tight lines.

Kadir

I Love my Aqua Skinzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............

I'm on my second season with NRS Endurance top and it's the best $65 i've ever spent. It's lightweight, breathable, and very comfortable to move and cast in. I''s not going to keep you warm come October but you will stay dry. Remember I said it was the best $65.00 I spent so don't try to compare this to the Simms or the aquaskinz tops, they're in a whole different category and price level.

[QUOTE=#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&]Only problem is when you swim out to those rocks "neck deep" you have left all the good fish behind you :btu:

I disagree 100%. I cast before I swim out to spots and get the skunk. I get out farther and more often than not the fish are there. They like the cover of depth in addition the structure I'm fishing. I did not realize how much i was missing out!

This spring 2 partners that I fish with had 30#+ fish 7 nights in a row, from the mainland. They each ended up with a 40# fish from that week. I was there and struggled and got outfished 10 to 1 or worse. I changed my setup (rod and reel), to acheive distance and from that point on caught my fair share of 30s and a 40 to top things off this spring. All fish were WAY out there. In this situation distance was very important. You cant get stuck in the same habit... things change

[QUOTE=rizzo][QUOTE=#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&]Only problem is when you swim out to those rocks "neck deep" you have left all the good fish behind you :btu:

I disagree 100%. I cast before I swim out to spots and get the skunk. I get out farther and more often than not the fish are there. They like the cover of depth in addition the structure I'm fishing. I did not realize how much i was missing out!


Buy a boat :rotf3: and lighten up!

I have had many nights like the one described by you above, acually I just had one tonight!! and not so much as my boots got wet.............. So take it easy I was kiddin ya, but you should look into a tin boat :rotf2:

i've used many tops and jackets for years. I have a conversion dry top which is the best top I've owned. It keeps you dry and warm, wish it had a hood though. It is good for early and mid to late season. If you want something for the summer, it is too hot. I wetsuit in it all the time, its Rugged. Excellent over waders too and if you have to kick a couple of strokes in waders you can do it with this top. #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& , I never tried carrying a tin boat thru the rocks. A wetsuit is a little easier I would think, maybe a set of fins if its a long swim. No law against casting back to shore either.

I'm on my second season with NRS Endurance top and it's the best $65 i've ever spent. It's lightweight, breathable, and very comfortable to move and cast in. I''s not going to keep you warm come October but you will stay dry. Remember I said it was the best $65.00 I spent so don't try to compare this to the Simms or the aquaskinz tops, they're in a whole different category and price level.

I just bought the Endurance top.

For me money IS everything.I can layer underneath this.

I also bought the '02 Reactor gloves for 10 bucks.If they aren't suitable I'll send'em back.The NRS guarantee is as good as any.

Not all of us can afford Simms or Aquaskinz.

:pop: I have the Hurricane and Evo 2; got them 2 years ago. At first, I was worried about restricted movement and decided to buy a size larger than what I should have. It leaked water thru the neck and arm seals, but since it was in good condition, I was able to sell it in consigment via Kadir's partner and get a new one that fit right. After that, and before I knew about how to ot the jacket on and off the proper way, I had some ripping at the seams. Kadir took care of the problem for me and head it ready for my trip to the Vineyard.

Sicne then, I have had no issues. The Evo 2 is comfortable and does a geat job of sealing you in. I recall this one October day, I got knocked off the rocks by the pillbox in Montauk repeatedly and stayed completely dry.

The Hurricane keeps me warm in the most frigid temps of fall and early spring fishing. Both jackets rock.

The best part of the Aquaskinz jackets are that if you have a problem, Kadir will listen, respond, and take care of the problem. It may not be to everyone's satisfaction, it's not like an LL Bean replacement gurantee, but in my experience I have been fully satisfied with the customer service. Like someone else said, they contribute to local fishing, whether financially or just be interacting with surfcasters to get positive and negative feedback to improve their products. How many manufacturers of your fishing equipment does this? Do you think Van Staal came out with a new bail design because surfcasters asked for it? Did Penn ever make a higher retrieve squidder? When will Abu Garcia ever provide better factory drag washers? Are there 2 and 3 oz bombers being made? Other than custom plugmakers, how many plug manufacturers provide plugs with quality hooks? Did Korkers ever listen to anybody's suggestions for durability and improvement?

Just my $0.02.

:thanks: AquaSkinz.

Interesting, coming from a guy with 3 posts. I did PM you but no reply! Maybe you will see this kadir@aquaskinz.com. Feel free to contact me directly, I will be happy to speak to you about your claim.

If you've got a legitimate issue, you would have contacted us directly and we would have addressed it. This is basically horse $h%t. No one here would ever tell you to use it and "see if it seals"! Why is it that there are always people out there trying to bad mouth and bring down one company or person for no real reason? Is this what your about? It's easy to hide behind you're monitor isn't it? Contact me and let's talk.

I did contact you directly and that is what you told me. And I did what you said and the jacket still leaked and I did not send the jacket back for "testing" like you wanted. A guy with 3 posts has no right to voice his opinion here??

You're really on a roll here Doc. 7 posts and I think I had to edit 4 of them. Keep up the good work :rollem:

I wish they made a lightweight top like the aqua skinz, that had a hood like the extinct Bear tops have . Just something to keep the waves and rain off ,not a skin diving top.

not that he needs any defense, but i had one issue with an aqusskinz product and kadir responded and corrected faster than fast- good co., good man.

I Love my Rampage top !!!! :love: johnny

Let me just say something here. Sponsors aren't sacred cows. You are allowed to raise issues you have with a sponsor's product. You're allowed to relay any negative experiences as an honest opinion. A better way to resolve an actual dispute with a sponsor might be to PM the person in question and settle it the way business is supposed to be settled, between you and the person you have a dispute with. If you walked into a tackle shop and started yelling at the proprietor in front of a store full of customers, instead of asking to speak with him privately when he had a free moment, I wouldn't blame him in the least if he gave you the bum's rush. But, you do have the right to raise issues with a sponsors product, as long as you keep it respectful and on an adult level.

What you're not allowed to do is get down and dirty with any member here, sponsor or not. Telling anyone here to piss off, eff off, go eff yourself, kiss my ass, or any similar term of endearment isn't going to be tolerated. I'll edit it out, and if it persists, it'll get reported to John and/or Saltheart who have the ability to take more drastic steps.

This site, historically, hasn't had the problems that the 10,000+ member sites have had. We tend to let you guys have your fun, but it seems of late, things are in what I like to call "shack nasty" mode. The problems we have had have been mostly limited to winter months when you can't channel your energies into fishing. I hope this isn't a trend.

There are several hundred here who have Kadir's back simply because he is a sponser and not because we all own one of his products. I am going to buy one for myself for christmas this year. Wish I could before the Vineyard trip happens. If a Skinz keeps my new best friend Pat Paquette all warm and fuzzy inside like what Flaptail does for Bassmaster then it must be a great product.

I know that when I wear clothing (shirts, leather jacket, etc.) close to or around my neck the material wears down considerably because of the beard hair stubbs.
I would think that the rubber material will also wear down with pin holes.

Grudens has wrist neoprene cuffs that are cover part of your forearm.

They also have the neck seal.

These two can be added to most any top with no seals.
Maybe one can use under the rubber neck seal of the aquqskinz for a better fit or gasket breakdown of the aquaskinz due to beard growth.

Where do I get one for $65?

Where do I get one for $65?
Ebay, theres some decent ones for low bucks

It has gotten to be, that unless I know the poster behind the screen name I dont trust their opinion about a product. Between the sponsors and their posse defending the product at any cost and the guys with some vendetta against these companies whether actual or contrived you dont know the truth from the garbage. It was nice to hear a retailer give an honest opinion about a product,Saltwater Edge, though.
Personally, I know hard fishing guys that had trouble with evo 2 tops,leaky material, got rid of them and bought The NRS revolution and are happy. I'll be buying one this fall. My dricore was one of the best $110 spent on fishing gear. I replaced the wrist seals 3 years ago and stay as dry as when I bought it 12 years ago.

It has gotten to be, that unless I know the poster behind the screen name I dont trust their opinion about a product. Between the sponsors and their posse defending the product at any cost and the guys with some vendetta against these companies whether actual or contrived you dont know the truth from the garbage. It was nice to hear a retailer give an honest opinion about a product,Saltwater Edge, though.
Personally, I know hard fishing guys that had trouble with evo 2 tops,leaky material, got rid of them and bought The NRS revolution and are happy. I'll be buying one this fall. My dricore was one of the best $110 spent on fishing gear. I replaced the wrist seals 3 years ago and stay as dry as when I bought it 12 years ago.
That was one of the most honest post I have read in years.
Unfortunately I agree with your assessment a 100%.Thankfully ,I can only tell you how my experience is with certain products,not what my friends of acquaintances experienced.When and if I have a problem with a manufacturer and he refused to acknowledge the issues surrounding the problem I will gladly speak my mind even though while doing this in the past I got mercifully hammered by "posse" as you call them........

I love my Hurricane in october, Nov, Decemer :jump: Its kpet my line in the water while the rest of the guys have folded for the night :jump:

The other thing is, the rubber gasgets used in most dry tops have about half the life expectancy of the neoprene gasgets we use, trust me, I have done extensive re-search on this. The rubber seals will dry and rot in a relatively short period of time in the salt water even if you wash them regularly. They need to be kept oiled, kinda like a moisterizer.

Kadir Akturk
President
AquaSkinz Corp.

Kadir:

I applaud you that this product was research extensively but did the quality control department test the product to yield the life expectancy breakdown time period of the rubber gasket measured in the number of times the top is taken on and off given the manufacter recommendations care requirements and what is that number ?

Well, after much debate, I finally went with the simms, just seems more comfortable, picked it up today at saltwater edge in newport