How much is gas in your neighborhood now?
My local staion went from $2.58-$2.86 overnight.
That's gonna hurt.
It's gonna put a dent in my fishing for sure... :mad:
How bout you guys?

2.67 for regular. now i have to pay almost 26 bucks for a full tank.

Cost me about $75 to fill my Ram, don't last long either.
I'll be selling that soon. :mad: Have to get a Yugo and turn it into a pickup.. :btu:

Cost me about $75 to fill my Ram, don't last long either.
I'll be selling that soon. :mad: Have to get a Yugo and turn it into a pickup.. :btu:

damn, it looks like i wont be buying a truck someday. i have to be a billg ate to own a truck and enjoy my fishing luxury

theres a gas station in town 252 plus, everywhere else has gone from 260's to over 280 for regular since katrina, glad i get 350 miles per tank

3.14@ cumbies 4 high test , my old beast of a truck needs high octane. Lets tap into our surplus supply . I also think the storm down south and the stock market plus the upcoming weekend contributed to the extream rise in price.
LINK SR

Last nite I grabbed gas for 2.67. Who knows what it will be this morning. Good thing I'm not a housewife with an unneccessary Navigator. :hihi:

was 3.25 here at the street last time I looked. Yukon XL will take $84 on a fill up. Lasts me about a month though. Now that the beach is open I suspect it will be much less now. :ss: Then you have gas for the boat, she takes about 135 gals every two weeks if I skimp on my trips. (several charter guys I know are burning about 40-60 gal/day) Most boats get about 2 mi per gal, some get less then one. I need a small nuclear reactor, initial cost is high but you can run those babies wide open for 30 years before your next fill up.

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.

I couldn't agree more.

its time .....:chatter

Bush responded the other day that we can't snap our fingers and the prices will come down. It's time to tap into the domestic supply. I am sick of this country being at the mercy of A-rab controlled OPEC. Can't wait to see what home heating oil prices will be this winter! :doh:

there will be an announcement from the Bush Administration about the
utilization of our oil reserves. they we're origionally created for emergency situations like what hurricane katrina has delivered to the oil industry.

The cumbys by my house in RI went from $2.67 to $2.90 overnight. What the hell is that? I usually fill up in MA as that is where I work. I paid $2.52 yesterday morn. I will check and see what it is today. I have a 100 mile round trip so this is going to kill me.
_Z_

can't believe that the powers that be are letting the nation get so openly fluked. how long can we just accept the unacceptable- wish it was an election year, things would be a little different.

It's funny how 'they cant snap their fingers and the price comes down' BUT one blink and they can go up in a hurry;..
$50 for my exploder gets me almost a week, if I'm fishing local, 50 gets me 3-4 days if I'm running west to fish....

Stop and Shop in Newport was 260/gal, not sure now, the proce in gansett went up 13cents yesterday; I filled in the AM at 2.67, not now :gorez:

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.


Of course I can't find any numbers right now, but we couldn't sustain ourselves no matter how hard we tried if we only used our oil. We simply don't have the oil even if we had some serious success in offshore drilling. Also, Alaska is a waste of time, in relative terms. Just a drop in the bucket. Canada sits on a lot of oil, but most of it is very expensive to extract from the sand it is mixed with.

New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil. Maybe we could use our own oil but currently we consume way, way too much to think about it.

Amen to that Pete...

What amazes me about this entire conversation is the real answer, the only way to really make any difference in the short term is to STOP CONSUMING SO MUCH FREAKIN OIL!

The estimated reserve in ANWAR could be easily compensated for by a slight inclrease in MPG standards. A thoughtful and pragmatic program to reduce unecessary oil consumption in the US alone could have a major impact on Global supply. Hopefully this would give us the time to seriously investigate alternative sources and keep the lights on for a few hundred more years.

Could this mean some sacrifice? Sure, but think about it in terms of national security and economic stability and it would probably be worth it...unless of course you're Exxon Mobile and like your 25 Billion dollar yearly profit :exp:

-spence

Of course I can't find any numbers right now, but we couldn't sustain ourselves no matter how hard we tried if we only used our oil. We simply don't have the oil even if we had some serious success in offshore drilling. Also, Alaska is a waste of time, in relative terms. Just a drop in the bucket. Canada sits on a lot of oil, but most of it is very expensive to extract from the sand it is mixed with.

New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil. Maybe we could use our own oil but currently we consume way, way too much to think about it.I agree with you about our using more than we can produce but if we built some new refineries in other areas then we could keep the Alaskan oil here rather than ship it to Japan for refining. Plus why put all our eggs(refineries) in one basket(Gulf coast) when everytime you turn around they have to shut down for another hurricane and its damage!
Another item everyone who's posted seems to forget- most of the gas engines can be made, at the factory, to use fuel more efficiently if the auto makers wanted to. I was looking tobuy a new truck in the near future but I am not too crazy about the gas mileage the new ones are getting. so looks like I'll have to hang on to the one I have for awhile longer. Ron

can't believe that the powers that be are letting the nation get so openly fluked. .
The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..
If you ask me we are on the brink of a serious problem.... Bush wont do a thing to stop this.. if anything he did what ever he could to cause this. :(

The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank.. Agreed............

New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil. Agreed............

[QUOTE=Nebe]The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..

gotta agree with nebe. i know that w's family and some other politicos' are big time into oil. i just can't stand how blatant this is. we are being told to go 'eff ourselves when they're not doing it to us.

this is why i cant stand our current administration.. i saw through them about 3 years ago. Its obvious what their real agenda is.. profits for the ultra rich and screw the common folk.
i'll stop now... :faga: :bsod:

Its obvious what their real agenda is.. profits for the ultra rich and screw the common folk. That's the Republican way.............. :usd:

I didn't vote for the war mongering oil company bitch. People better wake up the whole country is being raped. 37 million americans living below the poverty line. How can this be happening?

Afterhours... are you seeing the light :eyes:

Spence, i think one from the other team wants to switch jerseys... do we have a 2xL???????? :jump:

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

its now at a point where for me anyway , I will start really picking my nights. I cant afford to drive all over the place looking and trying things. To make it worse I went ahead and baught a GMC Pickup in april with a big v8..I must be nuts :yak4:

Costs me almost 70 bucks to fill up !

HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed. :(

HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed. :(


Completely agree with what you said. Also, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than it does to produce the equivalent amount of gasoline. It is a complete sham.

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb. :crying:

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb. :crying:

Again.. there were millions of small business owners who were duped into a huge tax repabate if they bought a vehicle over a certian tonnage... basically a gas guzzler. well, maybe they werent duped, but you could see who would be happy... the business owner, the car maker and the oil co's... now the car owner is paying through the arse to pay for all that gas and the oil company is making all the $$$$$$

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence



hear-hear.

While we all have opinions on how easy it is to just make the change. And I think most of us agree it is already too late and the damage should have been halted long ago. We are behind the proverbial 8-ball now and as spence pointed out - this is a complex issue with no obvious winner. The problems we have cannot all be blamed on Bush - why were there no hydrogen cars during the Clinton Admin. He had 8 years to do something about it....but there are still very few alternative fuel or even hybrid vehicles on the road.

I agree that there is definitely a conflict of interest with all the politicians with there fingers in the oil community. In my opinion there has to be something that can be done. But again, I will refer back to spence - nothing is easy.

Instead of complaining, we could all simply change our lifestyles and stop or minimize our use of foreign oil. I forgot where I read it, but some of the smaller gas station chains do not use foreign oil. All of us with big V-8s that do not require them for our work or families could down size. We could fish much closer spots. We could commute or use public transportation.

But know - we keep our oil guzzling hogs because we like them. We drive 40 miles to fish that special spot when there is local access to water in our same towns. We don't carpool or use public transportation because it is hot, cold, smells, late, early, schedule doesn't allow or because it is just inconvienent.

Then we turn around and complain that politicians simply aren't fixing our problems. When it comes to the national security - I agree we need to get off foreign oil. But if it is simply cost - suck it up and change your lifestyle. Since when did we become a nation of people who don't take matters into our own hands.

Instead of finger pointing - make your own small changes to become less dependant on foreign oil. If everyone stopped complaining and voted with their $$$ things would change. If we all sold our V-8s and bought green vehicles (bio-desiel, hybrid, natural gas), the green vehicles and the cooresponding places to fill them would become more available, with better features, etc. As long as we are willing to stand at the pump and pay $3.00/gallon and not change our habits - we are fluking ourselves.

I keep looking on ebay for a Flux Capacitor, but nuttin yet :eyes:

Fishaholic, when Clinton bombed Bosnia the yugo factory was the first to go. I remember watching the news and seeing the only thing left to the sign was the Y and it was hanging cockeyed in a sea of smoke and debris. I don't think they ever started production again.

It certianly can't all be blamed on Bush, but what does suprise me is a failure to push the issue post 9/11. How about a "Carpool for America" campaign or something??? Hell anything!

Without a doubt, the Administration's deep ties to the oil and energy industries are biasing policy decisions that in a post 9/11 world should be much more objective. This "keep shopping" mantra is only going to lead to consumer driven ruin when the shyte really hits the fan and all we can do is reflect on how much we've consumed.

-spence

I'll bet we find that this is the same as the Califonia energy crisis that occured in the 90's where homeowners in that state were forced to pay astonimcal sums for electricity. The government found that middlemen, buyers and sellers of energy working in the same room and sometimes for the same company were buying energy from the guys on the other side of the room in the morning and selling it back to them at an artificially inflated profits to generate sales and comissions. That's my two cents. Bush this morning released some of the government controlled oil reserves. Thats all he controls in this mess.

Reel ecstasy,
Saw one the other day for sale cheap. It was listed next to a WIDGIT going half price.

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

Wow! So many misstatements it amazing! Nitrogen is currently the main plollutant produced by the internal combustion engine (both gas and diesel). Nitrogen does not come from water, which is one part Oxygen and two parts Hydrogen, hence the familiar H2O desgination. The "oil companies", except for those producing in the U.S., don't own the oil they produce, its generally owned by the country its in, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela. So the cost of crude on the open market has little effect on them. The only effect is that when prices go up they make an additonal profit on the oil they have in inventory. (That can be a substantial profit) The big money makers in this run up of oil prices are the producing countries, most of whom belong to OPEC and keep the supplies low. Excess profits taxes on the oil companies may make people feel good, but it won't do anything to stop the rise in prices, since the countries that are reaping the profits don't pay U.S. taxes.

WOW!! i filled my sister's car just this morning in anticipation of the higher prices and it was 2.69. just went back now to fill mine and its already 2.99!!

:crying: :wall: :crying: :wall:

Yup; filled up Yesterday; now big descions is to fish local or drive....
After labor day hopefully we'll see a drop in price....

:hidin: :ss:

Heard on the radio that a station in Bklyn NY just broke the $4 / gal mark today.
On another board I saw a post that the UK is experiencing prices in the $7-8 range per gal, if you convert lbs sterling to us dollars.This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Im thinking of buying a horse and a years supply of Hay.

Straw is cheaper :rotf3:

-spence

Was shocked to pay 2.99 at the pump in NJ this morning and noticed Super at 3.19. Hasn't been that bad here since I can remember. I'm going to start charging my kids when they want a ride somewhere, also giving friends a ride..."Dad, can you give Sabrina, Katrina, and a ride home?" "Sure thing. A dollar for the first half mile and fifty cents a mile after that. No IOU's but if your mother's hot I'll consider her in trade. Now pay up or get out my meter's running."

are shut down....just because of a lack of electricity....the military and the national guard are on there way and hopefully that scenario will soon be rectified.

I agree with you about our using more than we can produce but if we built some new refineries in other areas then we could keep the Alaskan oil here rather than ship it to Japan for refining. Plus why put all our eggs(refineries) in one basket(Gulf coast) when everytime you turn around they have to shut down for another hurricane and its damage!
Another item everyone who's posted seems to forget- most of the gas engines can be made, at the factory, to use fuel more efficiently if the auto makers wanted to. I was looking tobuy a new truck in the near future but I am not too crazy about the gas mileage the new ones are getting. so looks like I'll have to hang on to the one I have for awhile longer. Ron

Even if we refined Alaskan crude here it would barely effect anything at the pump. A couple cents in a best case scenario, which of course doesn't really matter right now. And you wouldn't see that benefit for at least a decade.

10 billion barrels of oil (best case scenario for Alaska, it could easily be less) isn't much to get excited about since we use 7 billion barrels a year.

what i really wnat to know is what went down in those 'top secret' energy meetings at the whitehouse just before the iraq war went down...

everyone remember those????? :hs:

i dont understand why people love these crooks so much. :huh:

the whole oil thing is a big rip off and i agree the administartion is taking care of 'oilmen" .


the hydrogen fuel thing is another issue. i wouldn't condemn the technology till you really understand it. I have no idea about how the dirty politics is coming into play but overall , someday , we will be burning hydrogen for fuel , its just a matter of time. the entire universe burns hydrgen (fuses it) for energy , we eventually will too. Its a great way to store energy from peak production times to. Lets say you have a wind mill that can generate all you need in the daytime. at night you have excess capacity. right now you have to store the energy in batteries. You could use the energy generation capability off peak to electrolize water and store the hydrogen and oxygen for burning when you need it. Anyway , you get the idea.

I drive a blazer and luckily get 18 to 20 MPG. Not great but i am glad i don't have a 10 MPG huge truck right now!.

the key to short term success is in conservation. the big car companies could forsee the death of the huge vehicles as passenger vehicles , that's why you can buy them so cheap now. remember that $10K you saved on the truck , well you will pay that over the next couple of years in fuel. Too bad , i always wanted to own a suburban for cruising the beaches. Like you own traveling motel! :)

what i really wnat to know is what went down in those 'top secret' energy meetings at the whitehouse just before the iraq war went down...

everyone remember those????? :hs:

i dont understand why people love these crooks so much. :huh:


has nothing to do with love of crooks. i hate aspects of the adminstration too. I just do not blame all of our woes on them. Most of the problems we have including energy and ecological issues didn't start a few years ago - they have always been there. And in typical US fashion nothing is done until there is a crisis.

I still would rather have the 'crooks' in the white house. I would rather pay $5 at the pump (consumption - something I control). than the alternative, turning over national security to the UN and a %$%$%$%$ load more social programs taking money from my check each pay period.

backwards engineered ALIEN technology when you need it. :)

Even hemp seed can make a vegetable based diesel fuel...
and there are cars driving around this "whole country" on free dirty
frying oil from restaurants... and what bugs the hell out of me
is all of the fantastic INVENTIONS of new technology carbuerators
that gave you incredible M.P.G. that have been purchased
(patent rights included) by the oil conglomeration that have been
buried away never to be heard of AGAIN.

it's a war about OIL and energy thats for sure.

and shouldn't school buses be one of the first vehicles to utilize
the hybrid engine technology for cleaner take offs from a dead stop
rather than only smaller toyota's...
anyone who's ever been behind a school bus
and has been fumigated with unburnt diesel oil fumes would agree.
the whole friggan roof of a bus could have interchangable solar panels
removable in the winter time because of snow .

we have the TECHNOLOGY.... but it's not being used.
it's either been made illegal...squelched...disposed of
or buried because of MONEY -> it's time for radical change.

now its 3.00 a gallon

I just do not blame all of our woes on them. Most of the problems we have including energy and ecological issues didn't start a few years ago - they have always been there.


the problem has been there, but the bush admin. is amplifying the causes for oil price increases.... ie global conflict. i bet your one of those who thought IRAQ was going to attack us somehow and posed a threat :hs:

:eek: $3.50 in Woods Hole for 87 octane! I just came back with an empty tank. It's higher down hear than other places on Cape, but $3.50???? :eek:

Funny John Kerry and the other corrupt liberal clinton both publicly stated that they believe there was a clear and present danger.

so did Kerry and clinton and the rest of congress (both left and right) conspire with GW's admin and international (Tony Blair) parties to fake a clear and present danger to fight for oil? Don't think so.

I do agree that is why were are still there and think we should have pulled out long ago. I don't care if we wiped out the entire population of Iraq if it meant that one US soldier did not end up with a hang-nail. I say nuke-it, pave-it and take the oil.

$4 very soon..
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm


IMO the price of fuel has more to do the the developement of china and their new demand (which it huge) then anything bush or clinton did or didn't do. It is easy to blame this on either but it is neither ones fault.
I like the price in caracus.

$4 very soon..
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm


IMO the price of fuel has more to do the the developement of china and their new demand (which it huge) then anything bush or clinton did or didn't do. It is easy to blame this on either but it is neither ones fault.
I like the price in caracus.

The past and present presidents continue to support a communist country either directly or indirectly.
"Made in China"

Ok Now I sound like a baby but WTF.
Filled up last night @266. This am same station 288. After work went by the same station 308.
How can this be, it's "old" Gas , It should take weeks before it go's up not 24 hrs.

And Sandman, I can't wait to see what I will be paying for gas over 30 days on the island for the derby.

VB

The past and present presidents continue to support a communist country either directly or indirectly.
"Made in China"
:whackin: :wall: :rocketem:

raven is 100% correct :)

VB

in Atlanta georgia right NOW!

because of those two disfunctional oil pipelines.

but the sickest and ugliest thing i heard today was this.

a nurse who stepped outside for a breath of fresh air

because the hospital she's working in (trying to save patients)
had zero ventilation...without power....

was robbed outside at gunpoint by some fokin scumbags.

that is absolutely OUTRAGIOUS. no mercy shoot to kill

all armed looters .PERIOD , BAM :rocketem:

Heard on the radio that a station in Bklyn NY just broke the $4 / gal mark today.
On another board I saw a post that the UK is experiencing prices in the $7-8 range per gal, if you convert lbs sterling to us dollars.This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Im thinking of buying a horse and a years supply of Hay.

Almost 75% of that U.K. price is the huge taxes they put on it.

I don't care if we wiped out the entire population of Iraq if it meant that one US soldier did not end up with a hang-nail. I say nuke-it, pave-it and take the oil.

and we wonder why hardly any other countries want to help us after this disaster :hs:

Bush created hurricane Katrina to pump up his profits.Katrina wasn't formed from a tropical wave that came off of Africa and encountered 87 degree Gulf waters to become a major hurricane...it was Bush trying to make money.

That's what some of you come across as sounding like.

Heck there's a guy in the Old Pharts board asking "Where's Oswald when you need him".

You gotta be freakin kidding me!

My future sister in-law and husband and two kids are from Slidell LA.Where's that you might ask?Who knows.....its all gone.

Quit yer whining and stop thinking about yourselves.Its about them and the those in the same situation as them.

WOW ,,,on cnn they just said in Atlanta Gas it up to 5.88 per Gal.
We are in trouble

just be glad there is gas to buy.

I dont like it anymore than anyone else but the fact of the matter is it COULD be worse......

Bush created hurricane Katrina to pump up his profits.Katrina wasn't formed from a tropical wave that came off of Africa and encountered 87 degree Gulf waters to become a major hurricane...it was Bush trying to make money.

That's what some of you come across as sounding like.

Heck there's a guy in the Old Pharts board asking "Where's Oswald when you need him".

You gotta be freakin kidding me!

My future sister in-law and husband and two kids are from Slidell LA.Where's that you might ask?Who knows.....its all gone.

Quit yer whining and stop thinking about yourselves.Its about them and the those in the same situation as them.

sucks to be them. it just sucks to see the oil companies profiting from a natural disaster where real people are suffering.... and yes, all the blokes in teh whitehouse are making $$ off this rise in oil prices like it or not. did they cause this??? no.

Not saying "woe is us" Basswipe...just talking about the rising cost of gas. Go to the other thread about the hurricane if that is what you want to talk about!

$2.61 yesterday morning.....$2.89 this morning! :eek:

2.51 tuesday,3.50 today

can't help but feeling used and abused. :uhuh:

I haven't looked at the street pump in about 2 weeks. Then it was 3.25 and my brother gagged at that price then.

There is no crude supply problem that I see, it is just that we need more refinerys and 10% of them were just shut down in the wake of that storm. OK that happend yesterday. Why the price hike today? I think they are jumping the gun a little.


Also, I think folks in the fuel business will use anything as an excuse for a price hike. Do you see lines at the pump? Do you see any stations that don't have fuel? This is a fabricated hike. Yes Europe has high fuel costs but most of that is taxes...in our case it is more like greed. I can tell you the gas that was in the station yesterday is the SAME as the gas that is in there today...but it suddenly cost more.

Not saying "woe is us" Basswipe...just talking about the rising cost of gas. Go to the other thread about the hurricane if that is what you want to talk about!

$2.61 yesterday morning.....$2.89 this morning! :eek:

This thread was started after Katrina struck.And of course a certain somebody brought politics into it.The rising cost of gas directly or indirectly is a result of the storm.

And it is a "woe is us" thread.Spend in a minute in THEIR shoes and all of a sudden the rising price of gas is meaningless.

Feel bad for the folks down south...I do...but if this has to be a "woe is me" thread then so be it! Just went out to "top #^&#^&#^&#^& the tanks in my 3 vehicles.....as I arrive at the pump the price is changing to $3.10 from $2.89.....that is a .49 cent jump in 24 hours.....cost me $150.00 to fill em' up! Guy at the station says it is going up another 20 cents in the morning for sure! :rocketem:

Basswipe....I do hope your family is ok down there....it is a terrible, horrible thing to be sure and my heart does go out to all down there and their families.....don't for a second think I am not sympathetic and uncaring. I can't begin to fathom what those folks are dealing with at this moment. :(

Sandman...one station I went to had nothing left but 93 octane.....guy at station said 3 folks filled their vehicles and left without paying. Its insanity out there right now! :rocketem:

Time to get locking gas caps...

Bigfish,

I try not to come off as sounding like I don't understand that rising gas prices suck but when 8 and 10 year old boys are asking their dad when can they can go home to feed their pet lizard and gerbils the price of gas seems so trivial.Their pets are dead.They may not even have a home.I just don't care about gas.

I think we are on the same page BW.....I was just chiming in about the rising cost of fuel is all. I am human you know. :)

I guess I'm not thinking about gas as much as others as my truck has been completely dead for awhile.I've been looking at new trucks but maybe its time to get one of those cars that says "I'm Electric" on the back!

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb. :crying:

Yup me too! IM glad I got a new pig I love it but IM getting absolutly no love at the pump:sick:
IM going to pick my nights a lil more selectivly.

All those new Dodge trucks/cars with Hemi's... Yeah , it's got a Hemi :wall: :bc:

All those new Dodge trucks/cars with Hemi's... Yeah , it's got a Hemi :wall: :bc:

All our company trucks are Dodges and a few Fords.Guzzlers one and all especially the Hemis.

It doesn't update fast enough but: http://www.rhodeislandgasprices.com/

Filled 2 days ago @ 2.57, Topped off last night @ 265 but same place was 2.99 today, found 2.75, topped off after seeing 3.17 at Cumbys in W Warwick. pumps were vacant - as in nobody paying...

Well I did it, I just pulled out my old homemade go-cart made out of plywood I built as a kid in the 70's. It has a kind of crude rack and pinion type steering system but I think with a little oil it will work just fine to roll downhill 3 miles to my job in the morning and I'll' either pull the damn thing home, UPHILL, or just tie a rope to the hitch of a UPS truck and hijack a ride home. 0 gas miledge and I don't need to register or insure the contraption. And it runs cleeeeean :as:

:rotf3:

Looking back, and speaking of gas taxes, one really should have been implemented after 9/11. The public would have been receptive to the idea if it had been pitched in the name of combatting terrorism. Dump the money directly into a "Manhattan Project" with the focus on any and all technology that would advance efficiency and develop alternative fuels as fast as we possibly can. 25 cent per gallon gas tax to promote fuel efficiency and battle terrorism? People wouldn't have flinched. Maybe the reality of $3 a gallon will wake people up, but good luck trying to pass a gas tax now.

Sorry, but I gotta say it. This country needs real leadership. There's more to winning a war then bombs, and strangling the funding of people who want to kill us is a great way to do it.

Speaking of leadership, I suspect many people who were watching and had done their homework knew that the horrible stuff that is taking place in the Gulf right now was going to happen. Hindsight is 20/20, and obviously no one wanted to cry wolf, but I'm surprised the feds didn't get involved sooner, as in WAY before landfall. Your city is below sea level and there's a Cat 5 coming? Just look East at Florida and what happens when Cat 4 and 5's hit there. Hiroshima style destruction... :( Very sad and scary.

Being in the surf some nights (tonight?) we get reminded of how close death can be and the power of nature. Right now, the whole nation is getting a VERY grim reminder as well.

Happy to be in the NorthEast and hoping for the best in the Gulf,

Pete

Its the Ficking Towel head Saudis that are mostly to blame charging $70 a barrel for crude oil....Some expert in that field i heard on TV a few days ago said paying $70 for a barrel of oil is like paying $25 for a candy bar. Thats how bad the towel heads are F'ing us over. :splat: Its convient and easy to blame W but to me the above is whats screwing us over. Oh wait Bush must be a memeber of the Saudi family and is in on it right? Show me some FACTS about how W is in on the oil price fix crap and i will listen. not just the wacko conspirecy junk...Give me FACTS how he is to blame and we'll talk and i'll listne. Im F'ing fed up with $3 a gallon gas trust me. If W is to blame and is in on some big conspericy i will rip him up (yes i did say that!) But you leftys stop drinking the cool aid and look at the saudis....THEY are the ones %$%$%$%$ing us over. And it drives me nuts!!! :lossinit:

Time to get locking gas caps...
gonna be like that Mel Gibson movie..Road Warrior, I believe??

"Speaking of leadership, I suspect many people who were watching and had done their homework knew that the horrible stuff that is taking place in the Gulf right now was going to happen. Hindsight is 20/20, and obviously no one wanted to cry wolf, but I'm surprised the feds didn't get involved sooner, as in WAY before landfall. Your city is below sea level and there's a Cat 5 coming? Just look East at Florida and what happens when Cat 4 and 5's hit there. Hiroshima style destruction... Very sad and scary."

The folks were told to evacuate. And the experts did say NO would be under water if they got a direct hit. Some just couldnt get out or for whatever reason stayed. Did anyone see the comments by one of The Kennedys yesterday essenially blaming the hurricane on republicans and W. What a wacko that guy is. :rollem:

gonna be like that Mel Gibson movie..Road Warrior, I believe??

My brother-in-law had his and about 10 other cars siphoned (sp) 2 days ago in Maine. It's getting that bad I guess!! :realmad: :realmad:

"Speaking of leadership, I suspect many people who were watching and had done their homework knew that the horrible stuff that is taking place in the Gulf right now was going to happen. Hindsight is 20/20, and obviously no one wanted to cry wolf, but I'm surprised the feds didn't get involved sooner, as in WAY before landfall. Your city is below sea level and there's a Cat 5 coming? Just look East at Florida and what happens when Cat 4 and 5's hit there. Hiroshima style destruction... Very sad and scary."

The folks were told to evacuate. And the experts did say NO would be under water if they got a direct hit. Some just couldnt get out or for whatever reason stayed. Did anyone see the comments by one of The Kennedys yesterday essenially blaming the hurricane on republicans and W. What a wacko that guy is. :rollem:

I just don't think the people telling them to evacuate did it soon enough or specifically stated the consequences, and that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat or Republican. People knew they were in danger (although maybe not to the degree they were), but I don't think the gov't at any level pushed hard enough prior to landfall.

I know, easy to say in hindsight, but watching the TV in the 24 hours prior to landfall that was my impression.

The folks were told to evacuate. And the experts did say NO would be under water if they got a direct hit. Some just couldnt get out or for whatever reason stayed. Did anyone see the comments by one of The Kennedys yesterday essenially blaming the hurricane on republicans and W. What a wacko that guy is. :rollem:

Some did not have the means to do it and should have been moved but how many figure they would judt ride it out and be fine? Not trying to make excuses for gvmt officials in NO but evacuating 1.1 of 1.4 milion people 250+ miles in two days with few proper egress route options is a positive accomplishment.

a positive accomplishment. true... but the number of buses they are using now had to be used prior to the storm for those that really didnt have the option of driving their own vehicles....especially when evacuation was mandatory... also it was the timing ...and it was said that people were just about to recieve money that would have aided them in that endeavor and then katrina hit. trains should have been utilized too.

despite that...you would still have people that would stay no matter what.

Give me FACTS how he is to blame and we'll talk and i'll listne. Im F'ing fed up with $3 a gallon gas trust me. If W is to blame and is in on some big conspericy i will rip him up (yes i did say that!) But you leftys stop drinking the cool aid and look at the saudis....THEY are the ones %$%$%$%$ing us over. And it drives me nuts!!! :lossinit:

i dont think we can blame him for the 3$ spike because this hurricane has dammaged oil rigs, refgineries, etc... thus limiting prduction. However, i will definately blame him and his chronies for causing a global crisis out of a useless unjust war based on lies and bad intellegence. That alone has raised the price of oil buy a buck.. Saudi's dont set the price, buyers bid on the price and any time something 'might happen' buyers will bid higher based on fears. The saudi's are making $ but its not by their doing.

Many people say the Iraq war was all about oil and that we were just going in there to take thier oil.. I disagree, we arent going to take thier oil, we just went in there to create a global conflict which forced oil prices up. OIl companies are making trillions of $ in profits every quarter... American oil companies.

no coolaid drinking here, just paying attention and not blindly following the shephard.

I do feel bad for all those people, really I do but I just don't understand why a coastal city was built below sea level that relys on a system of levies and pumps to keep them dry. (and I live on an island). It is just stupid in my view to build below the ocean in a area frequented by storms and regular flooding that requires an active system to keep them dry and safe. Everyone down there was expecting "the big one" someday. IMO they should not rebuild the city. If your beach house washes away in the storm you don't get to re-build, why should they? It will happen again, and again. Who says we learn from history? My vote would be to take down all the levies and turn it into a large reef. Those folks could move elsewhere.

Frankly I am surprised it was not hit by a terrorist already, it looks like an easy target that could do massive damage.

I hope the best for the people who choose to live down there but it seems odd to be to rebuild that infastructure.

I do feel bad for all those people, really I do but I just don't understand why a coastal city was built below sea level that relys on a system of levies and pumps to keep them dry. (and I live on an island). It is just stupid in my view to build below the ocean in a area frequented by storms and regular flooding that requires an active system to keep them dry and safe. Everyone down there was expecting "the big one" someday. IMO they should not rebuild the city. If your beach house washes away in the storm you don't get to re-build, why should they? It will happen again, and again. Who says we learn from history? My vote would be to take down all the levies and turn it into a large reef. Those folks could move elsewhere.

Frankly I am surprised it was not hit by a terrorist already, it looks like an easy target that could do massive damage.

I hope the best for the people who choose to live down there but I seems odd to be to rebuild that infastructure.

This is why I'm a little disapointed with the evacuation and the timetable in which it took place. The potential for what has taken place was SO high. My Dad lived there for a while in his early 20's and has been predicting this eventuality for decades.

the army corp of engineers designed and built the system with the hopes it could support a category 3 storm.



Agh.....wasn't this close to a cat 5 storm.

But the cost benifit analysis said Cat 3 was the best choice;
Bet thet Cost-Benefit analysis looks pretty bad right now...
ACOE; what do you expect...

Has anyone checked out www.bostongasprices.com (http://www.bostongasprices.com) ? put in your zip code or town and it lists the prices of gas stations in your area.

The Exxon on 28 in Readinghad no gas Monday night, delivery truck never came. Price posted was from Saturday 2.73 for regular. The Mobil down the street had gas and was selling at 2.53 for reg.

To think I almost bought a Yukon XL Denali a couple of weeks ago...
think I'll wait for the hybrid on this one!

I almost agree on the not rebuilding front. Really, what's left? It's not like even major repairs will be needed. They'll have to mow down Nola and start from scratch. May as well have residents move elsewhere -- it's not like they have anything left. That way nobody would be put in such a dangerous situation ever again. And who, after this whole debacle, would WANT to move back?

Next wealthest person in the world (sorry Bill Gates, you will be replaced) will be the person who designs a commercially affordable non-combustion engine......one that runs on a non-pollutant alternative source......duh......why not solar???.......H2O???.......wind???.....all are free, and all have ZERO negative by-products......

Man, I wish I was an engineer.............. :)

Next wealthest person in the world (sorry Bill Gates, you will be replaced) will be the person who designs a commercially affordable non-combustion engine......one that runs on a non-pollutant alternative source......duh......why not solar???.......H2O???.......wind???.....all are free, and all have ZERO negative by-products......

Man, I wish I was an engineer.............. :)

That is a bright side to all this. Companies are definitely going to be putting the thinking caps on.

Also, Canada is likely to suddenly come to life and start figuring out better ways to pull all the oil out of the ground under their country. And unlike Alaska, there is some serious oil in Canada. It's in sand though, so it's expensive to process it, but since it comes from this continent it doesn't support terrorists.

Well I am an engineer and it will not be in your lifetime that you see something like your talking about. Fossil fuels have an energy density that is hard to match for the cost. Yes you can create other fuels from plants and alike but that ***takes*** energy to produce it. That energy cost money. Crude you pump from the ground and will burn as is. Solar even at 100% efficiency is not going to do it. It might help charge a battery but it is not reliable and has such a low energy density it will be impossible to power much of anything. Next generation Fuel cells/hybrids I think will be a stepping stone to some kind of fully electric vehicle with a rapid charge system. I have no idea what they are going to do for boats, as I doubt a fuel cell will get you to the canyons at 30 knots.

Longer term (about 100 +years from now) we will not burn fossil fuels. We will have some kind of atomic plant that has no waste problem. This will produce unlimited nearly free electric power for all. Something akin to the voice communications system we have evolving today. I honestly believe this is the ultimate solution. I don't want to get into all the reasons why but I am nearly sure of it.

You can forget about windmills, solar panels, canola oil, wave energy and cow farts to power this nation, even at 100% eff you would have to cover the entire country to provide adequate power for the masses. We will blaze the trail in atomic technology. I wish I would be alive to see it...maybe my grandkids will be. Until then I think we need to build a load of refineries and pump Alaska and put some pressure on the mid east ***WHILE*** put some money into research for atomic alternatives. We have 100's of years of fuel on this earth that will hold us until then. I am not worried.

As far as super carburetors that general motors or some oil company bought the patents then sat on them...I do not believe it. There is only so much energy in a gallon of gas. It takes a certain amount of energy to accelerate a vehicle with a given mass to some velocity. Today most engines could only get a few more percent of efficiency, there is no "super carburetor" that is going to produce 10X the mileage...a physical impossibility. Yes you can make a super lightweight car that get 300 miles to the gallon but don't expect to turn on the AC while driving 60 and the ride might be a bit stiff. Again it is all about how much energy is in a given amount of fuel, the engine just converts this energy with some mechanical efficiency loss, There are no huge gains possible in a given vehicle, you have to go smaller and lighter to really gain much. Power Boats are in for a real problem in my view.


The price of gas at the pump near my house today was 3.44

Sandman - nice analysis.

Not that I am for it, but when Einstein, Bohr and other noted theoretical physicists decided to spilt an atom to release it's energy, that was a revolutionary concept of releasing - therfore transferring - energy. All I am saying is we need that kind of "out-of-the-box" thinking again....and soon.

I think there might be even better ways to release energy then splitting atoms, due to the energy by-product of radiation released during that process. Let's figure out how to turn a turbine using only pressurized steam, and harness that pressurized steam for use when and where we need it.....then, we might be on to something. Robert Fulton is still waiting for us to "get it".......imagine filling your car/truck at the nearest pond, lake, bay, etc. and the only by-product is steam -- which would evaporate, condense, come down as rain to be used all over again. Totally enclosed, zero waste cycle. Nothing more efficient.

Can't a case be made that the expansive use of the combustion engine (diesel, gas, etc) over the past 100 years was based on our society's inability to be patient and wait to more fully develop alternative sources? Looking to history will show that America's insatiable appetite for combustion technology was fueled by our military's need for quick, powerful, dependable energy during WWI.....and it was the right decision to move fast forward in this direction due to the national security ramifications of winning WWI and WWII.......but perhaps it is time we re-think where we spend our R&D dollars.

Next wealthest person in the world (sorry Bill Gates, you will be replaced) will be the person who designs a commercially affordable non-combustion engine......one that runs on a non-pollutant alternative source......duh......why not solar???.......H2O???.......wind???.....all are free, and all have ZERO negative by-products......

Man, I wish I was an engineer.............. :)

How do you know this has not already been done?, and the idea was already bought out and BURIED for a long long time. This may be why the OPEC countries are so arrogant. The technology is available on a larger scale as some of our Subs run on H2O, splitting the molecule, creating Oxygen and Hydrogen, their only limitation is food on board.
I also mentioned this before, I owned a Honda CRX that got avg 52 mpg (on gas) & around town .This was back in like 1987, almost 20 yrs ago. Today we struggle to make 40 mpg cars???? Whos BS'ing who? Technology is deliberately being held back as long as possible til all the fossil fuel $ has been made and divided, and god help you if you get in their way.


"Solar even at 100% efficiency is not going to do it. It might help charge a battery but it is not reliable and has such a low energy density it will be impossible to power much of anything."

Sorry, I Disagree with you on this one.
You can set up your entire house to run completely on solar(heat,hot water, and ALL appliances) for about $36K. Then you get approx $20KTotal in grants from the Govt and credits from the power co. In other words it will cost you $16K out of pocket. Your avg elect bill will then be $5- 50/month as you will sell electricity back to the util co. during sunny days and only use their elect at night. I saw this exact scenario recently on a tv program, its no BS. This is a 20-25 % return on your investment, and you are liberated from all future increases. Solar is starting to sound real good

Another small note.
Someone mentioned forget about Canola oil etc?
The Diesel engine was INVENTED to run on Peanut Oil . Thats right, the first diesel ran long BEFORE the oil companies made the fuel to run it. The oil companies then later manufactured #2 fuel/ diesel .
Again, whos BS'ing who?

The only plot I know of and it was quite unfortunate was the one that eliminated streetcars. By eliminating streetcars and local trolley systems the death of the passenger rail system was ensured, after all if you have to have a car to drive to the RR station why not just drive the whole way. It will be interesting this year in VT to see the ressurection of the skitrains, they have been running for afew years with some sucess but this should make the difference. Also for the past 60 years we have subsidized the highway system and ignored rail, think about it while you drive down a highway that's been beat to @#$% by tractor trailers. Count the Wal mart trucks.
We could just go all nuclear, but between the nimbys and bananas it will be a while before that happens.

i tend to agree with your analysis ....but am holding out hope that carbon nano tube technology will come to the rescue in both electrical storage and in producing a material thats stronger than steel and produce a car that will weigh 1/10th of a modern day vehicle.....
from what i've been reading . But that technology is still only in its infancy stage right now.
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as far as the energy required to produce a bio-diesel product...yes it requires energy to produce it...our country is oil poor but rich in land (acreage)but our tax dollars which required our human energy origionally
to create the surplus money the government uses to pay farmers not to grow crops like tobacco is a huge waste. anything that utilizes solar power ie sunlight to create something else is doing it because of the origional fusion of hydrogen which we havent figured out how to do yet -cost effectively.

Right on Tinman...right on...

And I agree, nano technologies might hold the key to many issues -- including our energy crisis.

"Solar even at 100% efficiency is not going to do it. It might help charge a battery but it is not reliable and has such a low energy density it will be impossible to power much of anything."

one thing about solar power is loss of electricity in the conversion process...
but with carbon nano tube technology there is almost zero loss and the material is perfect for electrical transmission which is why i remain hopeful.

%$%$%$%$ these %$%$%$%$ing gas prices

Prices must be brutal on the Cape, most here were at 2.99 last night when I came home tho one station still had gas at 2.87. Im hearing that it will be at least 3.20 by sunday in this area.

I was at the pumps at Cumby's getting gas when the attendant came out with a 4 in his hand. (Gas was $3.11 when I was filling up) I asked him if it was going up to $3.14, he said no...$3.41 :af:

got to look around, if ya can, saw it as "low" as $2.99, and as high as $3.55, both for regular, this AM, in Orleans/Eastham area

10 years ago I had a 1974 land rover; got 12miles/gallon, had a 12gallon tank; cost me 12 bucks to fill it (1.09 was alot)

I'm no economist; but I dont think the 'stringent' environmental laws have increased the production cose by 3X; yet cost has gone up to 3X its price 10 years ago....

While I dont just blame this administration, this blows; it is crippling anyone making minimal wage or there abouts; especially outside of RI where people actually DRIVE some distance to a job...

I cannot believe it I just went out to get some lunch and the price was $3.26. This is getting outta control. :splat:

im swipin" a tanker of super, who wants some

10 years ago I had a 1974 land rover; got 12miles/gallon, had a 12gallon tank; cost me 12 bucks to fill it (1.09 was alot)

I'm no economist; but I dont think the 'stringent' environmental laws have increased the production cose by 3X; yet cost has gone up to 3X its price 10 years ago....

While I dont just blame this administration, this blows; it is crippling anyone making minimal wage or there abouts; especially outside of RI where people actually DRIVE some distance to a job...

Agreed, around here a LONG commute is 8 or 9 miles one way. Elsewhere 20 to 30 one way is probably a more normal commute. That translates into BIG money over a month for the average family.

I bet that it's no conicidence that the shop has been pretty dead the past few days, yet the website is very active.

im swipin" a tanker of super, who wants some

Deal me in.....Ill throw the cordless sawzalls in the truck, they come in handy. This area being fairly rural sees some longish commutes to jobs. Ive got a Ford Ranger that Ive had for 3 years, cost roughly 20.00 to completely fill it when I first got it, put in 3/4 of a tank yesterday and it was 35.00


Tho at least the news isnt ALL bad today apparently:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Articles/Dispatches/P128480.asp


http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=OBR&Date=20050902&ID=5083380

Im puttin a rod rack on a moped.

Edgartown Mobile....$4.02 Could not believe it. I think that is an open rip off.

im swipin" a tanker of super, who wants some
I'm in!
Mad Max!!! :devil2:

The Service Area just north of exit 98 on the GSP went from $2.69 to $3.02 for diesel overnight the day before Labor Day weekend. Go figure.....