WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is
short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
world's nations are on that list. My pr ess secretary will be
distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.

I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watc h your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York .

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are
likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty -
starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for
decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.
Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn
tootin."
Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the
world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to
eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget.

To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to
speak Arabic.

God bless America. Thank you and good night.

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in
English, thank a soldier.

LOVE THE IDEA!! :bl: Come on GW you know you want to do that!!

i'd rather imagine a president with brains..

i'd rather imagine a president with brains.. Then explain to us how any of these ideas are not smart.......

if only ...it were that easy.... amen...

i am all for isolationism.... i'd also say that fishing off our shores by commercial foriegn fishing fleets is now illegal... grow your own fish at home..
All fishing vessels will be confiscated and recycled or sunk if there is any
oposition.

Then explain to us how any of these ideas are not smart.......
they may be smart, but they are reckless. far more reckless than bush is now.

i would rather have a president in office that shows all countries respect and respect of thier beliefs.

propigating hate of others only creates more hate twards us.

look up fascism. we are getting closer and closer everyday to a fascist state.

they may be smart, but they are reckless. I believe that is a contridiction by definition......because something that is reckless cannot be too smart. So what is it in your opinion -- reckless OR smart?

i'd rather imagine a president with brains..
Some peaople will never be happy, no matter what happens.
They just sit there doing npthing about anything and complain about the world.
Please lets not make this into a political BS argument... :whackin:

I would love to hear that speech.

I think other here prefer that we turn national security over to the United Nations. And keep pouring our tax dollars down those 3 world hell holes.

They just sit there doing npthing about anything and complain about the world. Agreed....so let's organize a nationwide march on Washington and demand the administration do something about the MASSIVE energy crisis in our country. Our government is selling us all down the tubes right now, simply in order to pad their own personal wallets.

Wake up America.......we are in serious trouble....here's how it works....prices go up faster then wages = more and more people slipping into poverty.....the 1% who control 99% of the wealth will be the only one's standing, becausde they are the one;'s making the rules (government)......average US house price ~ $400k.........gas @ $3/gal......milk over $2 a gallon.......have your earnings gone up over 20% annually? If not, you are one of the one's slipping behind, and eventually your nose will be under water too.

More proof: diners are raising their prices of food because they have higher fuel costs now......truckers have raised prices also......so have airlines......grocery stores, etc......since energy is a core necessity, fluctuations in it effect EVEY other industry.

Agreed....so let's organize a nationwide march on Washington and demand the administration do something about the MASSIVE energy crisis in our country. Our government is selling us all down the tubes right now, simply in order to pad their own personal wallets.

Now you're talking!
I wouldn't be suprized is it came to that.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for
decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.



BEST case scenario is that Alaska can give us 18 months of oil, and there's only a 5% chance of that. It most likely will be less.

We're addicted to foreign oil, it's just the way it is till either we or the gov't make changes.

We're not going to solve problems at home by drilling more holes in the ground, the oil in quantities we need just isn't there.

Articles like this would more weigh if they were based in reality. If we abandoned all foreign oil right now this country would literally come to a halt.

Fishaholic18..in law enforcement circles the nafta agreement is acknowledged as being the largest single scheme in place that exagerated drug smuggling to the point where it is almost unstoppable.

i'd rather imagine a president with brains..

Agreed Eben, agreed. A president giving a speech like that probably wouldn't have done well on his S.A.T. scores. Probably would have had to do 10th grade over. Maybe his Dad should have pulled out immediatly along time ago, if youn know what I mean.

Even a nationwide march on washington would result in a slow change if any change at all. Just not enough people would paticipate.

the easiest way to make changes in a free market is with your dollars.

Carpool
Mass Transportation
alternative fuels


Make the changes that can make the situation more palitable for you. Change your lifestyle to not consume so much foreign oil. Then at least YOU are not impacted by fluctuation.

If we all took the energy we spent bitching about one administration or the next and used it to better our own situation things woud change.

I am guess sales on Hummers, Suburbans, Excusions, Escalades will go in the toilet, but we are still at the will of OPEC, until we as a whole change.

I think everyone knows if we wait for the government - we are just wasting time.

I am one of the few who would love to hear that speech. After 30 years in the military, I have seen the respect shown to the United States dwindle too much. The only folks that speak kindly of us are the 50+ generation. To everyone else, we are the object of their anger. Why? Because they are jealous of us.

I'll suck it up with my truck and car. Less trips for no real reason. Food shopping organized to go out and back doing everything thats needed in one trip. Vacations ? I got a pool and a back yard and hot dogs and burgers.

Sarge

So what is it in your opinion -- reckless OR smart?


reckless... we would only create chaos world wide which would only fuel our enemys hatred for us.

ideally it is smart if you only look at the results here. world wide... very very reckless.

besides bush pretty much said FU to the world by invading Iraq after the UN said no way... if you ask em the UN was on the right track. Anyway, look at the results of bushs actions... most of the world hates us, and most americans hate him. reckless leadership is bad leadership.

reckless... we would only create chaos world wide which would only fuel our enemys hatred for us.

ideally it is smart if you only look at the results here. world wide... very very reckless.

besides bush pretty much said FU to the world by invading Iraq after the UN said no way... if you ask em the UN was on the right track. Anyway, look at the results of bushs actions... most of the world hates us, and most americans hate him. reckless leadership is bad leadership.

Wrong on a few levels my friend.
1. Our enemies don't need any more fuel...no matter what we do they are going to try to kill us. You seem to think that if we act nice to them that some day they are going to like us. WRONG.
2. I am not a Bush Administration fan, but the UN screwed up the entire Iraq aituation. They had over 19 times told Iraq to relinquish their weapons and nuclear arsenal, and 19 times the UN was told to go scratch by Iraq. The US intelligence community had relevant information that these resources were being used to support terrorism against the US. And in your opinion the UN was on the right track? WRONG.

Remember, the UN has absolutely NO recourse to force any nation into abiding to any of it's resolutions.....they have no military force.....behind closed doors I am sure the UN was very happy the US finally decided to go in and spank Iraq for them.

wrong??/? maybe. But does it justify fabricateing false intellegence to trick the american people???? i dont think so.

fabricateing false intellegence Quite an accusation....now prove it.....

downing street memmos.

downing street memmos Prove nothing,

Quite an accusation....now prove it.....
Yeah! I gotta hear this one! :eek5:

i cant prove anything... but its obvoius we have all been duped. for some this is hard to grasp.. sorry if you cant get a handle on it :D

correct me if im wrong but we still havnt found any WMD's

because as soon as our fly over jets were fired apon....flying over IRAQ
(and this was way before the war began...with all the shock and awe)
we had the right to go back in...

besides they never complied to our rules.... so that was the chocolate cake

thinking they had wmd's was merely the icing ...
and sadamy salamy was the birthday candle.

correct me if im wrong but we still havnt found any WMD's Uh, correct me if I AM wrong but we KNOW for a fact they had / have WMD.....because they gased and killed over 100,000 Kurds a few years back, and Saddam is on trial for his life because of that......what, that doesn't count as WMD...???

i cant prove anything... but its obvoius we have all been duped. for some this is hard to grasp.. sorry if you cant get a handle on it :D

correct me if im wrong but we still havnt found any WMD's
BLAH BLAH BLAH! Good point! :splat:

Fishaholic for president.

Fishaholic for president.
We wouldn't want to see that.. :splat: :devil2:

below

Nebe on the phone with his Political Adviser!!!

Nebe after hearing about Katrina,

Nebe and Bush are in Cahoots!

I can't imagine a president with balls but I know one that is a bush. :rotf3:

Uh, correct me if I AM wrong but we KNOW for a fact they had / have WMD.....because they gased and killed over 100,000 Kurds a few years back, and Saddam is on trial for his life because of that......what, that doesn't count as WMD...???
No..it doesn't...

You guys should read "Chain of Command"...

-spence

No..it doesn't... Wrong Spence....biological AND chemical weapons DO count as WMD......

(1) "Weapon of mass destruction" includes chemical warfare agents, biological warfare agents, nuclear agents, or radiological agents, the intentional release of industrial agents as a weapon, or any destructive device or explosive in excess of five pounds or 2.26 kilograms. "Weapon of mass destruction" does not include the development, production, transfer, acquisition, retention, or possession of any biological agent, toxin, or delivery system utilized for prophylactic, protective, or peaceful purposes by any university, research institution, private individual, or hospital which is registered with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) pursuant to Part 113 (commencing with Section 113.1) of Subchapter E of Chapter 1 of Title 9 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or any successor provisions.

Missing the point :whackin:

Think...

-spence

Why don't you make it for me then............

They were WMD, buit they don't count...

Think more...

-spence

Okay, why not.....? Because they were already used....???.....clue me in, oh wise one......

BINGO...

we didnt go into Iraq because they 'had' WMD's..... we went in there because we were told they were in posession of them right now...

where are they????

we didnt go into Iraq because they 'had' WMD's..... we went in there because we were told they were in posession of them right now... Your logic is flawed.........as is the logic of everyone else who thinks this way.........because the Iraqi's had all the ELEMENTS to create WMD -- and because they had already assembled these elements in the past to create WMD and therefiore prove they had the capacity to rapidly develop these weapons -- then, by definition, THEY HAVE WMD......your logic is similar to not arresting someone who owns both a rocket as well as a nuclear warhead simply becaise they hadn't put the two together yet.......even if in the past they had put the two together and used them.

Another analogy for you to ponder: using heroine or cocaine is not illegal in the US, but BEING IN POSSESION OF IT is. Being in possesion of the technology to assemble WMD was against the UN mandates to Iraq......so no mattter how you look at it, they both had the technology and means to rapidly develop WMD -- and as a result -- by default -- this means they HAVE WMD..........

BINGO...

we didnt go into Iraq because they 'had' WMD's..... we went in there because we were told they were in posession of them right now...

where are they???? trucked into Iran for safe keeping

I would just like to have a PRES that would stop disarming us so we can protect ourselves from people like in New Orleans!

Your logic is flawed.........as is the logic of everyone else who thinks this way.........because the Iraqi's had all the ELEMENTS to create WMD -- and because they had already assembled these elements in the past to create WMD and therefiore prove they had the capacity to rapidly develop these weapons -- then, by definition, THEY HAVE WMD.
Homerun, your logic is seriously flawed :hihi:

Unless there are useable stockpiles, the ability to produce is only meaningful if it can be done urgently. Beyond that it's a sliding scale of risk. Additionally there has to be a desire to have said WMD used in a terrorist act.

As bad as He has been in the past, we know today that there was never much credible information that indicated Saddam was a short-term threat on either count.

The laundry list of countries that have real stockpiles of WMD today is quite large. The list of nations with nuclear weapons or those that are close is growing quickly. Many of these countries have deep roots to terrorisim, and continue to pose a much larger threat than Saddam ever did.

The real tragedy of Iraq, is that this idiological detour has undermined the very institutions necessary to wage an effective war against the real enemy.

-spence

agreed: quote: undermined the very institutions necessary to wage an effective war against the real enemy.
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the effective war....is never going to END....and all these mothers and anti war protesters don't seem to realize that this Particular WAR ,the war on terror is never , ever going to end...i am sad to say....but that is the stark reality that they refuse to face as painful as that may be...it's the ultimate truth. There is a jihad against America until their very last breath on until we are in the final war or until the day we call 'DOOMSDAY. Anyone who thinks
that they will quit...or that killing a certain number of leftover insurgents is going to end the conflict is wishfully thinking and is locked into a non realistic fantasy. if and when it ends over there it shall begin over here.
the real enemy is not in one place.....and have been placed strategically everywhere they could get a foothold and blend into the existing culture.

Sorry I started this thread. :devil2:

Sorry I started this thread. :devil2:

Don't be, discussion about where this nation has been and is going is healthy and necessary.

I wonder how history will look back on Katrina. It might even be a landmark shift in how we view our place on the globe realtive to everyone else. It's tough to say, but more then a few people on this board alone said something along the lines of "I'll never vote Republican again". Everyone should think outside of just Democrat and Republican. The 2 party system is antiquated anyway.

Spence - you and I see the world differently. I'll leave it at that.