In the streets ( that aren't underwater) of New Orleans. The people who could not afford and had no means to get out have gone over the edge and rightly so as our President, in his wisdom, formed the Dept. Of Homeland Security and this is a perfect example of how they would react to an a national, regional or local emergency in the aftermath of an attack or as in this case natural disaster. Totally Fu%ked Up. Leave it to G.W. and his boys. Folks this country is in more trouble than you could possibly imagine. We can spend billions to rebuild Iraq ( course we have to we destroyed ii, it's a moral obligation for going into a country and doing that when it could have been handled in other ways, meanwhile Osama is still loose ands his movement grows each day) but we don't have troops and food and memdicine and tents and a major relief effort going there yet by Federal agencies, just a token effort. Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick George! Declare freakin' Marshall Law and take control of the situation. Could you imagine the sorry assed state we will be in when some Islamic religious extremeist detonated a small nuke in dowtown Cleveland or some other city? GW our commader and chief time to go George, it's time to go. Somebody please help us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It makes me want to :yak6:

i hear ya flap... sadly i dont think he is going anywhere and his successor will porbably be just as bad if not worse.

Here's what I don't understand........how many times has the US military made emergency airlifts of medical supplies and food to so many third world countries during times of famine and natural disasters......why aren't I seeing any images of that happening right now in New Orleans......????

A: There is no international political advantage to taking care of our own people........all politicians are garbage IMO.

Personally I'm beginning to believe that "The Greatest Country on Earth" has either been all smoke and mirrors, or the rest of the world is a total latrine. I'm ashamed at the slow or even effective response to this situation. People have been milling around in waist deep sewage for four days now, and the rest of the Country wants the heads of those who "looted" a meal from Piggly Wiggly. Clothes and TV, sure shoot 'em. Listening to NPR on the way home from work, some of the stuffed shirts interviewed didn't know the condition of folks holed up in the Convention Center. It's HELL in there, rape of a 10 year old, bodies of the elderly, muggings No food No water No Cops No friggin' clue. It's eight blocks from thr Super Dome! Our "Officials need to be rotated out. They knew this was about to happen, yet their thumbs were sat on. As I said , I'm ashamed and angry as hell. God help those poor folks, the Government sure as hell can't. That was my political rant for the year, don't take it personally. :realmad:

My bro-in-law lived in the Big Easy, or the Big Sleazy, as he calls it... for a few years in the eighties, his work has taken him just about everywhere in the States, and a few foriegn places as well... He still refers to it, as the most corrupt City, in the most corrupt State. He shudders at the thought of sending money to Louisiana, he knows there has been a tragedy, and help and cash are needed, but the reality of where the cash will go, he says, is a scary thought...

Damn shame people have lost their senses down there, the logistics of getting help to a city underwater, with a large resovoir above, and the gulf also, are pretty frustrating for sure... Where do you put the water, when you are the low spot?

Quote, " they have no idea on what is going on down here, excuse my french Anmerica, but I am pissed!!!!!", the Mayor of New Orleans on the lame response of GW'S administration Federal response to New Orleans situation.

Atta boy George, #^&#^&#^&#^& and the Republican controlled House and Senate!!!!!!!!


Osama and his boys are rubbing thier hands with delight, they now know how devastating an attack can be with the limp response shown therse last few days if they make it a big one.

Thsi country has no effective leadership and it is painfully showing.

flap for president :D

This country has no effective leadership and it is painfully showing. Agreed..........

The Administration cut two badly needed dike repair projects from the 2005/2006 Army Corps of Engineers budget. Guess which two failed? :doh:

Downtown NOLA is looking a bit like Mogadishu lately...

Except with alot of water....

Ok here's my 2nd rant. FEMA is a friggin' farce and money pit. If who the hell ever runs that circus was a Student of disaster, he would have known that starving homeless people freak the hell out. All catastrophies in our history have been followed immediatly with looting , crime and general mayhem and brigandage. If I remember correctly, nearly 1000 people were shot and killed for looting after the San Francisco Quake. Fema's job was to prevent that by being there immediatly to alleviate that scenario. They dropped the ball. And I guarantee you , Al Queda is trying to come up with a disaster in another location right now. And Homeland Security will drop the ball after playing with their little terror "rainbow". This Country is a mess right now, and we are pretty much learderless,our leadership is that ineffective. Gasoline prices are berserk. Transportation costs will skyrocket right soon. All other costs will follow...except labor costs. I fear that we all will soon find ourselves scraping the bottom of the barrel for enough to get by. That's one step from the poor people of New Orleans. Scraping fighting looting for a living. Please forgive my pessimisism, but it just looks bleak on down this road. The very idea of Americans walking around in waist deep sewage for a friggin' week is abhorrant to me and speaks volumns of our leader's opinion of their citizens.

I have never liked/trusted politicians.....to be one you have to have a little larceny in you! :doh:

BBJ.. yer right... keep in mind anniversary of 9/11. if terrorist bastages had something planned, they gonna pull it now, while we are diverted, Hope for GD sure that somebody higher up has this figured out as well.... also, this disaster, all ninety thousand square miles of it, (!!!) and all several hundred thousand people of it, which has gotta be a logistical nightmare, even if yer freakin superman... OK, where do you put them??, :huh: and who is agreeable, and for what cost, ie, tax incentive, govt. supplement, etc. etc.... what kinda promises were made to states and governors and stadium and arena owners, that probably won't be kept (Texas, and Florida).. I can't help but notice that Lousyanna is handling it worse than Ol' Miss, flood or not, .... Please don't get me wrong, ain't defending "W'impy, just my observation, and YES, it Sux, there was obviously, NO PLAN..... I also notice, no camera shots on tube, of looting of water and diapers, only lootin' of high end electronics and jewelry and booze.. Nat'l Gaurd gonna look the other way if they see somebody haulin water, or diapers, or food outta a convenience store, prolly gonna put a cap in somebodys arse if they taking oxycotten outta a pharmacy, or jewelry outta a store. I could be wrong, but, this is what I see when I stare at the boob tube.
But.. The whole thing Sux.


We need to fish.. PM?.. tommorow night????

to be one you have to have a little larceny in you! A lot of larceny.....mixed with a pinch of manipulation, a dash of misleading, a touch of dishonesty, a truckload of ego, and an ocean of money..........

Yes Karl we do need to fish. Tomorrow night is fine, thanks for the suggestion! A fish would greatly help to break this dark mood that I'm in. Feeling positively revolutionary.

:jump: C U then :D

What you all are just coming to grips with is the tenuous hold on order and function in society that is in place. It is fleeting at best because no one wants a more stringent system of checks and balances. No one wants higher taxes to pay for this ahead of time so a disaster like this is always played as catchup. I don't recall 1000 people being killed rioting or looting in Califonia after the quake and bridge collasped as someone said. I don't think you'll see anyone killed by law enforcement in New Orleans unless they shoot at the cops. Only one newsman made any reference to black people taking food as looters so the rest of the African American community is taking that slight and running with it. No one not even the cops stopped anyone taking food. The authorities were letting everyone take all the food they could carry. And as one of the list members said it was before ad will always be one of the most corrupt cites in the country. Remember about 15 years when a black female officer was killed by another black female officer when the second officer stumbled across the first one after she robbed and killed someone. In uniform and on-duty that happened. Everyone was agast that the cops only earned $13,000 a year. They fired half the force and replaced them with what is there now. The only reason anyone would take the job was the bennies that could be had stealing, killing, and drug dealing. I was going to school for my masters degree around that time and read study after study done by researchers who searched high and low for the reasons why things were as they were there. Bottom line was the avergae pay for a cop was $35,000 to 40,000 a year everywhere else it was only $13,000 and whatever you could scam. That type of corruption trickles down and up the entire social strata of the city. The managers of the police department accepted it and the people the cops served accepted the corruption as status quo. I mean look at it biggest claim to fame, once a year for two weeks different groups sponsers parades and binge drinking. I had a friend who was an acute alcoholic who has since died of cirrohsis of the liver. He used to say he could vacation there for two weeks every years and he didn't stand out as abnormal. New Orleans has been one of our busiest seap ports since before George Washington was president. It played integral roles in our history, The french blockaded the harbor, the brittish blockaded the harbor, so we bought the land out from underneath the pirateers who tried to run the city and we kicked them out. If the response time was to long it was so by one maybe two days at the most. You have to remember that once the decision was made to evac the entire city no one was going to make the victims of Katrina any more comfortable than necessary, because the government wanted them to be ready to move when the buses were made available. If they were well-fed and had showers they might have had a tough time getting all of the people on buses. They have to rebuild almost the entire sections of the city and the residents not being there will help that to happen at a much quicker pace. The whole thing is a real kick in the b$#$s, and sometimes that kick take you to your knees. You have to be willing to get up and take a step.Anyone wants to donate the checks can be mailed to: American Red Cross Attention: Disaster Relief Fund 285 Columbus Avenue Boston, Mass. 02116. I sent $200.00 and I challenge everyone here to donate also.

NO is a pretty corrupt place, I have to agree. How much federal funding went into the locals' pockets? Probably most of it.

My bro-in-law lived in the Big Easy, or the Big Sleazy, as he calls it... for a few years in the eighties, his work has taken him just about everywhere in the States, and a few foriegn places as well... He still refers to it, as the most corrupt City, in the most corrupt State. He shudders at the thought of sending money to Louisiana, he knows there has been a tragedy, and help and cash are needed, but the reality of where the cash will go, he says, is a scary thought...

Damn shame people have lost their senses down there, the logistics of getting help to a city underwater, with a large resovoir above, and the gulf also, are pretty frustrating for sure... Where do you put the water, when you are the low spot?

Out of all the news channel coverage of this disaster, I heard them speak of the corruption just once so far.
I hope someone honest steps up and takes charge down there.

FT-- "rightly so"-----well maybe rightly so to loot water and food and sanitary supplies---but TV's, sneakers.and anything else they could carry---give me a break!! And I suppose shooting at relief workers was "rightly so" too. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

FT-- "rightly so"-----well maybe rightly so to loot water and food and sanitary supplies---but TV's, sneakers.and anything else they could carry---give me a break!! And I suppose shooting at relief workers was "rightly so" too. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

S77, Rightly So because the response of the govt gave the crininal element a chance to break down into the anarchy seen and experienced because of the loss of all order. Not because it was their right and priviledge but because the chance was given for them to go over the edge. Again, the result of the government to failing look to thier own and see the problems in our own backyards. Poverty breeds ignorance and the spawn of that ignorance is the resulting actions of these people in the total abscence of law and order.

S77, Rightly So because the response of the govt gave the crininal element a chance to break down into the anarchy seen and experienced because of the loss of all order. Not because it was their right and priviledge but because the chance was given for them to go over the edge. Again, the result of the government to failing look to thier own and see the problems in our own backyards. Poverty breeds ignorance and the spawn of that ignorance is the resulting actions of these people in the total abscence of law and order. Free will Flap....free will.......it doesn't matter how wealthy or poor a man is to make up his mind how to live his life.....granted, that is a lot easier to say if one is wealthy then if one is poor, but IMO, that is also why many of the poor people are so honorable -- becuase no matter how tempting it is for them to cheat during times like this, many still do not.........it is not the government's fault many of these people bahaved so badly........."It will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, then it will be for a wealthy man to enter into the kingdom of God".

God bless the poor.....

As much as I despise the idea of looting, I haven't had my home washed away,I haven't lost everything that I own, I haven't seen my neighbor floating face down in the sewage that I'm wading in. The list of human indignity goes on for miles only to be ignored by the Government for a week. Personally, when I find myself under severe stress, I find myself exploring the limits of rationality. Fema's job is to be there right friggin' now to show support,provide basic human needs and most importantly relieve some of that stress. Help the people remain human, if you will. People (You and me included) go nuts when stressed. Just my observation...

FT---The next time I'm sitting under a bridge, guarding my Wal-Mart stash, and taking pot shots at relief workers, I'll think of your rationalization....."rightly so"........... :laugha: :laugha: :laugha: Thanks

People (You and me included) go nuts when stressed. Not me....I usually go the other way when stressed.....granted, I never faced their conditions, but generally speaking I operate best under pressure.

Don't people take care of themselves anymore?
Another reason backing the 2nd and they where told to leave and chose not to. When in a SHTF situation you need to protect yourselves.

chose not to Empathy GM......how about those people who had no means to leave.....no money....no car.......no family anywhere else.......sometimes the folks who have so much tend to project their abilities onto everyone else, and that isn't necessarily fair to those who do not have as much. In other words, just because you might have means doesn't mean everyone has means.

There but for the Grace of God go I...........just my $0.02 worth.

My 2 cents is you shouldn't live off the GOV't tit. Get out there and better yourselves. You choose to be poor no one makes you poor.

Also they where running buses for 3 days before the storm hit. They couldn't get out but they could loot and rape and murder HMM

Empathy GM......how about those people who had no means to leave.....no money....no car.......no family anywhere else.......sometimes the folks who have so much tend to project their abilities onto everyone else, and that isn't necessarily fair to those who do not have as much. In other words, just because you might have means doesn't mean everyone has means.

There but for the Grace of God go I...........just my $0.02 worth.

Wow Greenmeanie.....the "meanie" part of your name is perfectly fitting.....I'll pray that you never need someone's help one of these days.....oh that's right....I'm sure if you ever need help it will be a diferent story then.

Let me ask you something, what religion do you belong to?

First of all, people these days have zero survival skills.
The orders of failing responsibility in this disaster was initially upon the mayor of N.O., then the state government, THEN the federal government. This goes for the surrounding areas as well. The city of N.O. had a plan in place but failed to execute that plan. While the federal government made some mistakes, I believe they should be the last on the list taking any sort of blame for relief or lack of it.

You choose to be poor no one makes you poor.


When Industry shuts down factory's and moves hundreds of thousands of Jobs overseas...TA-DA....you have Poor.

Simple math.....if you have 100,000,000 people that need jobs and you have 90,000,000 jobs you end up w/ 10,000,000 people with out jobs. these people tend to be poor...


Not everyone chooses to be poor, sometimes its just $hit Luck. There are plenty of poor people that would jump at the opportunity for a steady income for there families and would work there asses off too.


There are also plenty of Rich people s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on the Government Tit and making tons of money that haven't done a hard days work in there entire life.

How many Ditches do you think ole' GB and his brother have dug in there lifetime??


Don't judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his shoes

great post :D

great post :D

I want to run for President ( if no one shoots me first) Nebe, will you be my vice Pres.? :btu:

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I want to run for President ( if no one shoots me first) Nebe, will you be my vice Pres.? :btu:
i would be honored.. we would have to move the whitehouse to fishers island though, and homeland security would involve tagging the migrating striped insurgents which have passed by for the past million years :D

" A bass in every pot " could be our motto :think:

And who's fault is this? The american that needs $35.00 an hour to survive because they want two SUV's ETC ETC

"When Industry shuts down factory's and moves hundreds of thousands of Jobs overseas...TA-DA....you have Poor."

Look above and also most people think they are to good to start at the bottom and work their way up. Everything is owed to them from the GOV etc etc

"Simple math.....if you have 100,000,000 people that need jobs and you have 90,000,000 jobs you end up w/ 10,000,000 people with out jobs. these people tend to be poor..."

You choose to be poor when you sit home and collect welfare when you are able to work.
You choose to be poor when living off your girlfriend who collects welfare.
You choose to be poor when your working at Mcdonalds and don't better yourself.
I have even seen people in wheelchairs working so if they can do it most anyone can.
ETC ETC I could go on forever.

"Not everyone chooses to be poor, sometimes its just $hit Luck. There are plenty of poor people that would jump at the opportunity for a steady income for there families and would work there asses off too."

I wouldn't say plenty but there are some.

"There are also plenty of Rich people s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on the Government Tit and making tons of money that haven't done a hard days work in there entire life."

More power to him for not having to dig ditches.
How many Ditches do you think ole' GB and his brother have dug in there lifetime??
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So they can afford shoes but can't work :)

Don't judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his shoes

i would be honored.. we would have to move the whitehouse to fishers island though, and homeland security would involve tagging the migrating striped insurgents which have passed by for the past million years :D

" A bass in every pot " could be our motto :think:

I'd like to be on board for this new administration as well...

I don't consider this off topic but I was absolutely discusted by a scene on tonights news.

An old woman was defending what was left of her home and the edible food she had within it from people who smashed thru the front who happened to be California Highway Patrolmen "volunteers".She was holding a .22 revolver in her hand in a NON-THREATENING position.In a narration by the patrol commander he spoke about how they subdued her when the opportunity presented itself.He seemed so proud of himself for performing his unconstitutional duties.

News flash...if this woman wants stay(or die) in what's left her home with cans of Cambell's soup and a .22 she has 10 amendmants under the Bill of Rights that says she can!!!

One of the most unbelievable things I've ever scene.Totally unacceptable.

Flap,we might not agree on much but I believe Georgey Boy's gotta take personal responsability for this one.Violation of one's personal rights under the Bill of Rights will always be something I believe the President should personally address to this nation.

Did I spell discusted right?

Bush has nothing to do with it. The mayor ordered them to be taking out of NO. The Military isn't going to help they said.

And on another note did anyone catch the lady when she received her Debit card say “now I can get my hair did". I am glad our tax money is going to good use.


An old woman was defending what was left of her home and the edible food she had within it from people who smashed thru the front who happened to be California Highway Patrolmen "volunteers".She was holding a .22 revolver in her hand in a NON-THREATENING position.In a narration by the patrol commander he spoke about how they subdued her when the opportunity presented itself.He seemed so proud of himself for performing his unconstitutional duties.

News flash...if this woman wants stay(or die) in what's left her home with cans of Cambell's soup and a .22 she has 10 amendmants under the Bill of Rights that says she can!!!

One of the most unbelievable things I've ever scene.Totally unacceptable.

Flap,we might not agree on much but I believe Georgey Boy's gotta take personal responsability for this one.Violation of one's personal rights under the Bill of Rights will always be something I believe the President should personally address to this nation.

Did I spell discusted right?[/QUOTE]

Bush has nothing to do with it. The mayor ordered them to be taking out of NO. The Military isn't going to help they said.

And on another note did anyone catch the lady when she received her Debit card say “now I can get my hair did". I am glad our tax money is going to good use.

But I do agree there is no reason to be disarming people who own there guns legal! Never mind force them out.

An old woman was defending what was left of her home and the edible food she had within it from people who smashed thru the front who happened to be California Highway Patrolmen "volunteers".She was holding a .22 revolver in her hand in a NON-THREATENING position.In a narration by the patrol commander he spoke about how they subdued her when the opportunity presented itself.He seemed so proud of himself for performing his unconstitutional duties.

News flash...if this woman wants stay(or die) in what's left her home with cans of Cambell's soup and a .22 she has 10 amendmants under the Bill of Rights that says she can!!!

One of the most unbelievable things I've ever scene.Totally unacceptable.

Flap,we might not agree on much but I believe Georgey Boy's gotta take personal responsability for this one.Violation of one's personal rights under the Bill of Rights will always be something I believe the President should personally address to this nation.

Did I spell discusted right?[/QUOTE]

To a moderator...green meanie has somehow added his text to my post please delete his post of 10:32pm on 9/8/03.

Bush has nothing to do with it. The mayor ordered them to be taking out of NO. The Military isn't going to help they said.

And on another note did anyone catch the lady when she received her Debit card say “now I can get my hair did". I am glad our tax money is going to good us.

Please read better next time.Nothing in MY post said Bush had anything to do with that women's constitutional violations.I just said AS president he is ultimately responsible.

BTW green one NOBOBY can get their "hair did" on one of those debit cards.
Food and nesessaties only.Please ask me how I know this.

She said 'hair did' tell her.

And I stand corrected it seems they got the national guard doing their dirty work now.

http://media.putfile.com/NewOrleansGunConfiscationSmall

Also there is a thing called states rights the president isn't as powerfull as you all think.
For example the GOV let the AWB sunset but in CT we still have it ? The GOV wanted to shut down the naval base in CT. The GOVERNOR of CT turns around and spends 20 MILLION to get it back? Pres Bush wants to send 50 BILLION in aid but congress has to approve. I don't see how this is Pres BUSH's fault if anything it is the fault of the NO GOV and mayor.

She said 'hair did' tell her.

?What???

I don't see how this is Pres BUSH's fault if anything it is the fault of the NO GOV and mayor.

I guess you missed the whole hurricane "Pam" exercise.We shoulda been prepaired but weren't.

Plus you forgot to ask how I know those debit cards can't be used for anything but necessities.Please ask...I'd love to see the foot in mouth.

I don't have to ask. They can trade them down for cash and then buy drugs Um I mean "necessities".

I guess you missed the whole hurricane "Pam" exercise.We shoulda been prepaired but weren't.

Plus you forgot to ask how I know those debit cards can't be used for anything but necessities.Please ask...I'd love to see the foot in mouth.

And who's fault is this? The american that needs $35.00 an hour to survive because they want two SUV's ETC ETC

Look above and also most people think they are to good to start at the bottom and work their way up. Everything is owed to them from the GOV etc etc

You choose to be poor when you sit home and collect welfare when you are able to work.
You choose to be poor when living off your girlfriend who collects welfare.
You choose to be poor when your working at Mcdonalds and don't better yourself.
I have even seen people in wheelchairs working so if they can do it most anyone can.
ETC ETC I could go on forever....

Wow talk about a skewed outlook on life......I think I've heard this same spiel before, but Where......Oh yeah Now I remember.


2ND GENTLEMAN:
At this festive season of the year, Mr
Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable
that we should make some slight provision
for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly
at the present time. Many thousands are in
want of common necessities; hundreds of
thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.

SCROOGE
Are there no prisons?

2ND GENTLEMAN
Plenty of prisons.

SCROOGE
And the Union workhouses? Are they still in operation?

1ST GENTLEMAN
They are. Still. I wish I could say they were not.

SCROOGE
The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?

1ST GENTLEMAN
Both very busy, sir.

SCROOGE
Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at
first, that something had occurred to
stop them in their useful course. I'm
very glad to hear it.

1ST GENTLEMAN
Under the impression that they scarcely
furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to
the multitude, a few of us are attempting to
raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and
drink, and means of warmth. What shall I
put you down for?

SCROOGE
Nothing!

1ST GENTLEMAN
You wish to be anonymous?

SCROOGE
I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me
what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer.
I don't make merry myself at Christmas and
I can't afford to make idle people merry.
I help to support the establishments I have
mentioned: they cost enough: and those who
are badly off must go there.

1ST GENTLEMAN
Many can't go there; and many would rather die.

SCROOGE
If they would rather die, they had better
do it, and decrease the surplus population.



I will also remember to treat the Guy at McDonalds w/ Contempt next time I go there......after all, even though he's working, its such a waste of time......Hell if your going to work there you might as well go on welfare... :rollem:

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Can I use that photo for my campaign? That's beautiful. :kewl: