View Full Version : Did Bledsoe get a raw deal ?
Saltheart 02-07-2002, 11:53 AM I felt bad that Bledsoe didn't get to play at all last Sunday. He couldn't have done any worse in the 4th quarter than Brady. They couldn't get a first down at all til the miracle before the final field goal. Anyway , I thought they should have given bledsoe a little playing time in his last game as a Patriot and maybe his last superboal oppurtunity ever.
I like Brady and they did win but I'm just thinking that after all the games he's played for them , Drew deserved to at least play a set of downs in the big game. Any opinions.
schoolie monster 02-07-2002, 12:20 PM Brady (mr. MVP) did nothing. He looked awful the whole game. Remember, he was about 9 of 18 for 90 yards prior to that last drive. Part of that was playing a conservative defensive game with the lead, but you still have to make plays and he did not.
And let's look at this "miracle" at the end. He completed 3 straight dump offs underneath a prevent defense. The only time they rushed, he threw a pass that should have easily been called intentional grounding as he was clearly not outside of the tackle and threw the ball to avoid a sack... and that would have led to overtime.
The pass to Troy Brown was clutch and that was the only real play he made on that drive.
I give him credit for being cool enough to not panic, but let's not overstate that drive. It only seemed like a miracle 'cause the offense had given no indication that it was possible.
That being said, once you name your starter, I think you have to stick with him. And based on the score and the flow of the game, I think they made the right decision. I had no visions that Brady would do something to cost them the game. They rode their defense and special teams which played as good as a postseason as I've ever seen. The team scored 3 offensive touchdowns in 3 games. That is in itself, incredible and a testament to that coaching staff.
If the score would have been different and Brady was as ineffective as he was... then yes, Bledsoe probably should've come in. I felt bad for Drew, but I also felt that the fact that he was able to lead them to a victory in Pittsburgh and save the season at least probably made him feel that he contributed to a Super Bowl season. Tough situation for everyone, but I thought Coach Bill, Brady and especially, Drew handled it as well as they could.
Drew could have easily been a jerk and it would have divided that team as it always does. And they won as a team, so you do the math. A locker room split and you don't win that super bowl... I doubt they even make the playoffs.
I'm not a Drew guy, I'm not even a Pats fan. But, I think they want a Trent Dilfer type, no mistake guy and Brady can be that guy for alot less than $8Million... and Brady is young and has an upside.
Hopefully, Drew will land in a good situation and everyone will be happy.
Mike P 02-07-2002, 12:23 PM I disagree. Drew handled the situation like a total professional and deserved to get treated like a total professional in return. IMO, giving him one set of downs just to get him in the game would have been patronizing, demeaning and unprofessional. Bledsoe, Brady, Belicheck and the rest of the team know what an integral part of the team Bledsoe was by being Brady's mentor and accepting his role like a professional. He didn't have to get a "mercy" you-know-what to make him feel like he contributed. He and the rest know how important he was to the Pats' season and their championship.
eelman 02-07-2002, 12:33 PM Haven't posted much but, thought I would weigh in on this one!
First off, I am a pats fan and a bledsoe fan.Im glad the pats won! Thrilled! but, In my opinion bledsoe got railroaded bigtime.You should never lose your spot because of injury.Remember how he got hurt,Running for a first down against the jets and showing incredible guts and toughness while doing it.
Bledsoe is a quarterback who over the years, has never had the protection from a decent offensive line,and, he still made great things happen! Remember those incredible drives against the dolphins? where he drove the team 99 yards in the last minute of the game to get the pats in the playoffs! Remember the drive in the last minutes of the buffalo game at foxborugh,same thing 90 yards capped off with a TD in the endzone to ben coates! He got the pats to mnthe superbowl in 96,didnt he? Yes, they came up short but, you cant put that all on bledsoe,The tuna was selling out the team bigtime and the defense could not do anything to the packers offense. I dont blame him for not showing up at that rally in boston one bit! Saltheart is right, they should have gave the guy at least one series? I mean here is a guy who was the franchise quarterback! The most prolific passer in pats history! The guy who never missed a game! The guy who wasnt afraid to take a bigtime hit! I could go on and on.
Brady on the other hand was put into a cozy scheme that very rarley saw him pass the ball further than 15yds.If you ask me,It was on the back of antwain smith, the pats 1200 yd, rusher that got us threw the season! I dont want to see brady fail but, come on,The guy is no where in the same ballpark as bledsoe! We will all see next year what brady is made off.If we lose a 1200 yd rusher I think things will be different.
As for the last drive in the superbowl, It is overstated.He started that drive on the 20yd line and only drove the team 35yds,remember Adams FG WAS 48yds. Troy brown made things happen, and jr redmond made the first run, not brady.
Bottom line Im happy we one! I love it, but I cant beleive bledsoe who has done the things he has done over the years is being put on the auction block because of an injury running for a first down. Brady is yet to be proven.Im going to miss drew, he got the shaft!
jettyjockey18 02-07-2002, 12:37 PM i think i read that the reason bledsoe didn't play in the game was because if he got one snap in then a clause in his contract would have kicked in and he would have received some huge bonus for "playing" in the superbowl...
brady may not have been your typical mvp quarterback with staggering numbers, but he didn't make any mistakes either...he also had a sweet td toss and engineered the final drive that got the team into field goal range...
brady may end up being a flash in the pan, but for this season with him at the healm, the team won, and that is the bottom line.
Sit me on the bench for 8 million coach........I promise to be good!
Saltheart 02-07-2002, 01:40 PM I figure there were at least 4 guys who I'd have given the mvp award to before Brady. Law , Mcginnis , Milloy , Viniteri. The D won that game in spite of a quarterback who could not get a first down when they needed it to kill time in the fourth quarter. Brady moving the ball a little in the last drive meant nothing without the best kicker in the league coming in and hitting a big one.
My comments about letting Bledsoe play a series was not all charity for the old vet. I honestly believe that he could have moved the ball in the fourth quarter enough to run the time out so the miracle field goal wouldn't have been needed. My opinion is Law was the mvp.
Slipknot 02-07-2002, 01:58 PM I heard that Law was leading in the votes for MVP untill they added the fans votes. oh well.
JJ18, I bet that's just media hype to start something out of nothing about him not playing because of some clause. The coaches make the decision, and when the superbowl championship is on the line, money does not matter.
It's sad to see him have to leave but he deserved a ring as much as all of them and he was a huge part of them winning it.
bloocrab 02-07-2002, 03:22 PM ..Who's the "Better" quarterback in my opinion???.....
that's a no brainer!!!......Bledsoe!!
....He can rifle that ball thru a peep hole!!.....How many touchdowns did Brady throw, compared to Drew's History?...
...Don't get me wrong, seeing as how WE'RE SUPERBOWL CHAMPS, I wouldn't have changed a thing...:D
...but if I were in charge, who do I keep???....A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!!!......MR. DREW BLEDSOE
..I'll tell ya what, If Drew had the amount of time that Warner did in that game, to make passes....WE WOULD HAVE KILLED EM'..!!!
..Once again, don't read me wrong...our Defense was in his face...and HARD but, there were series where he was literally standing there....with his legs crossed, waiting for an open receiver. Thank God for our outstanding corners!!....:)
......WHO SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MVP???.....
...ANOTHER NO-BRAINER......THE GUY WHO KEPT US IN IT, THE WEEK BEFORE IN THE SNOW....AND THE GUY WHO KEPT US OUT OF OVERTIME ON FEB. 03.......
........ADAM VINIETERRI :cheers: :claps: :claps: :btu:
schoolie monster 02-07-2002, 04:05 PM Saltheart, I agree. The first thing is everyone should be happy you are the champs. However it happened, its yours to enjoy for a whole year.
But, the 3 guys I'd have picked from were Law, Vinitari(sp?) or Milloy.
Law's pick assured they got the lead they needed to play their game. And he obviously did a great job covering 'cause you didn't hear much from Bruce and Holt. The rams 3 and 4 receivers seemed to do more meaning that Law and Smith played huge games.
And Milloy was absolutely crushin' people. He is a big hitter and is underrated as a safety. I think he's one of the best... and he's a gamer. He shows up to play and I think he's not only the leader of the defense, but of the whole team.
And what can you say about your playoff MVP... Vinitari is the best kicker in the league. I'm a Bronco fan and we have Jason Elam who is hyped alot and he's great, he makes big kicks... but Vinitari was so clutch this season. With the game on the line, he's been unbelievable.
Honestly, this Brady craze is a bit out there. Folks need to watch the game, not look at just the score. He did some good things this year, but he was not impressive week to week. And history shows that they will get a book on you. They will take away what he does well and what's left is a guy with limited ability (see Brian Griese). Not saying Brady doesn't have an upside, 'cause he does work hard and does alot of things well... he seems to have the mentality. But I heard all that about the Grieser, he manages the game, he knows where to go with the ball, the play-fakes, etc, etc, but the league will catch up with him and they will figure out what he wants to do. The Grieser STUNK this year and his great attitude and work ethic seemed to evaporate as the wheels came off. Granted they had alot of injuries, but you still have to play. Brady will get stopped next year and we'll see how he reacts when things start to break down.
Even Marino and Elway and Young and Montana for all their talent were stopped. I think Drew is in this category and I think he will land somewhere where they will build him a line, get him some receivers and he's gonna have a rebirth. And it seems like this whole thing put the fire back in him that seemed to be missing over the last couple years while he's had his brains beat in.
mikecc 02-07-2002, 06:48 PM Good to see you back #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
TheSpecialist 02-07-2002, 07:22 PM Lets see, I don't think Bledsoe got a raw deal. If you expect a team to win a world championship, you go with the guy who is getting the job done. If you look at Bledsoes stats they were worse in his first season than Brady's are.
G GS ATT CMP PCS YDS TD INT RATING
Bledsoe 13 12 429 214 49.9 2494 15 15 65.0
Brady 15 14 413 264 63.9 2843 18 12 86.5
If you look at Bledsoe stats for the next years, he only had 3 good years where he threw more td than interceptions, and in those 3 years he had ratings of 83.7 in 1996 with 59.9 percent complete passes, in 1997 87.7 , with 60.2 percent complete passes, in 1998 80.9 rating with 54.7 complete passes. The rest of his career he had 5 seasons in which he threw as many or more interception as td. 1993 15td, 15 int. 1994 25 td, 27 int. 1995 13td, 16int. 1999 19td, 21int. 2001 2td, 2int. He has never had a higher passing percentage than 60.6 percent. Yard stats don't really count, because if you have really good receivers which Bledsoe did many years, they get the extra yards for you.
Bledsoe was'nt even a proven QB until his 4th season, before that he was below avg to avg at best.
You can make all kinds of arguments about "pass protection" the fact is even when he had good pass protection in the Pitt game he made rookie mistakes, took to long in the pocket, and too long to hike the ball causing false start penalties.
As far as Bledsoe having an arm, Brady has out thrown Patten a couple of times in the playoffs, one was 60 or so yards. So he also has an arm. Charlie Weis was quoted on WEEI as saying that Brady and Drew are using the same playbook, one is just reading the field better than the other.
Lets give the Brady Bledsoe thing a rest it's over Brady is the guy. I hope that Drew fits in somewhere else because he is a good quarterback. He just does'nt fit this style of offense.
Sorry for the rant, of if I offended someine. :D
Swimmer 02-07-2002, 07:41 PM Yes he certainly won the game after he came in and Bledsoe did throw that great pass, but Bledsoe was also very Bledsoe when he threw that backwards . :smash: overhead pass to no
one except possibly the other team when he was trying to get rid of the ball. In other words he worked just as hard to lose the Pittsburgh game as he did trying to win it. He is going to Houston probably anyways. He even cleaned out his locker at the stadium.:D
One comment is right about the offensive line that protected Bledsoe though, in the last four or five years they were pretty offensive starting with the useless Max Lane.
I like the fact that their is no room for sentimental bull on the Patriots anymore. The attitudes are finally being left out in the parking lot, and real professionals took to the field this year for the first time I can ever remember. It to bad Billy Sullivan isn't around to have seen the team he bought for $25,000.00 years ago win the big one.
bloocrab 02-07-2002, 07:45 PM GO PATS!!!!!??????
..Specialist, I'm not against keeping Brady, he just won US the SUPERBOWL!!!:D:D...And statistically, :eek: ..if you average out Bledsoe's TD's, he only averaged 20.5...(for his 8 healthy seasons) versus Brady throwing for 18, his first season. I just think he's got better accuracy with velocity to back it up. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Brady to blow the "stats, wins, TD's"...right out from under my nostrils......but,...:(
....Sorry Specialist, I'd still go with Bledsoe.
Got Stripers 02-07-2002, 07:58 PM Patriots are super bowl champions and yeah they got here on defense and special teams, but no team wins without and offensive and who is the offense (sh*t and special teams) Troy Brown. That's who I'd give the MVP and for the season. That man can make plays and Brady wasn't too bad in getting him the ball all season long either. Personally, I'm not sure old Drew could do much better. Yeah nobody can throw a ball like Drew, but he's real good at making the dumb play and throwing the ball when it shouldn't have been forced in.
Drew's a done deal, whether Brady fall on his face next year or not, it's water over the dam now.
Canalratt1 02-08-2002, 12:00 PM Hey everyone BE HAPPY! The TEAM was the MVP and that includes Bledsoe for his professinalism(sic) and the job he did in Pittsburg! There are too many heroes on this team except for TG. BTW they are rebroadcasting the game on WBCN this weekend and good news!, The Pats are only underdogged 7 points!
Slipknot 02-08-2002, 12:06 PM Do you know when and what time that rebroadcast is ?
I know WEEI is doing the same thing with Howard David and Boomer's broadcast Sunday at 6 pm.
But I'd like to tape the BCN version
ragfly 02-08-2002, 07:45 PM Bledsoe is a choke artist, let's face it. I'm hope some team in our conference picks him up so he can help the Patriots win when he blows the big plays! As for the MVP I would have given it to Adam V.
Slipknot 02-08-2002, 08:13 PM I guess the nfl will not allow rebroadcasts of any kind, oh well :(
redcrbbr 02-08-2002, 09:03 PM bcn is doing the replay sunday at 6 pm in ((((stereo)))) gino cappaletti will be the announcer for YOUR NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS. gotta be better than that foot in mouth madden, even if i did enjoy seeing him eat crow.:D
Slipknot 02-09-2002, 12:01 AM I couldn't handle those 2 so I did listen to BCN like I did all year, they were great.
Are you sure BCN is still gonna rebroadcast it. I heard the NFL has never allowed it before.
Canalratt1 02-09-2002, 05:10 PM Slip I'm not positive but heard there was going to be a rebroadcast but I think it was Boomers.
Got Stripers 02-10-2002, 09:34 AM I stayed up way too late last night, watching a re-broadcast of sorts on channel 5. They did a good job and it was nice to see the highs and lows of the game again.
MikeF 02-11-2002, 09:22 AM Well last time I checked football was a team sport. The Patriots capitalized on this concept and rode it to a Super Bowl Championship.
Who should have been the SB MVP ... there certainly were a lot of candidates. Maybe they should have just given it to the TEAM!!
Who is the better QB?? Well Drew has the stronger arm and I think is more accurate. I think that Brady makes the better descisions. Brady seems to be better in the 3 step drop scheme of things.
Drew was at his best when Parcell's was at the helm. Parcells limited Drew's role and tried to keep him out of situations where he HAD to win the game. They had an excellent line at that time and a great back in Curtis Martin.
Even the greatest QB of recent time - Marino - never won a SB ring. Why? A defense can always stop one man or bend and contain him ... But its tough to stop a complete team where everyone contributes.
Should Drew have been given some snaps during the SB game. NO! They were in a dogfight and couldn't afford the risk.
Say what you may, Brady was at the helm as the rode to a SB championship. You can't do much better than that.
Why did he win the SB MVP award?? It seems like a given that the QB on the winning team wins it most of the time. The media always gives the QB more credit than they probably deserve when a team wins and more balme than they deswrve when they lose.
Football is a team game and the team is no stronger than its weakest player.
My $0.02 worth!
TheSpecialist 02-11-2002, 04:18 PM Mike I like your .02 .;)
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