Nice to see the Palestinian folks voted in a nice mederate group of people to govern them. Yikes :uhoh:

Democracy in action!!!

Becare what you wish for :devil:

-spence

Democracy is a great thing. Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless. Nothing like voting for people who train thier kids to strap bombs to themselves and blow up Isreali school children. :doh: Between Hamas in power and that wack job in Iran threatining to wipe Isreal off the map with a nuke this could get ugly real fast.

They'd have more luck nuking us. Our response would be measured. Israel already has hundreds of nukes and will absolutely respond if attacked. It would be my guess that if israel were nuked all major population centers in all the surrounding arab countries would disappear before the first mushroom cloud disappates.


Higher and higher , now we've learned to play with fire!!! Scary thoughts.

it might be time to read revelations in the Bible again .

hamas humus humper

I wouldn't write the Palestinians off so quickly. They have historically been a pretty sohpisticated people and ain't that dumb.

It's not like they all support terrorisim, most just want to live their lives but feel powerless to do anything about it. Arafat certainly didn't helped matters much.

Hamas has been providing a lot of humanitarian aid in the north since the 1970's. This probably has made them more popular than the militant wing.

Remember as well that the only reason Isreal let them participate in the election at all was due to the cease fire. They know exactly what position they're in and what they can and can't do to retain power.

Regardless, it's going to be very interesting. This election could have more impact on the next few years than Iraq!

-spence

Democracy is a great thing. Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless. Nothing like voting for people who train thier kids to strap bombs to themselves and blow up Isreali school children. :doh: Between Hamas in power and that wack job in Iran threatining to wipe Isreal off the map with a nuke this could get ugly real fast.

So to paraphrase, you are saying

"democracy is great, but only if you vote for who I like. If you don't, you must be a brainwashed idiot."

:rollem:

So to paraphrase, you are saying

"democracy is great, but only if you vote for who I like. If you don't, you must be a brainwashed idiot."

:rollem:

No ZacS:

It is:

Democracy is great, but only when the people involved in the democratic process are not coerced and blinded by both insane intolerant terroristic views promulgated by their extremist authoritarian leaders and by a probable fear that those extremist leaders will execute them in the middle of the night should they "vote" against them.

Do you really think it is a true democracy when these overriding pressures exist? For example, do you really think a true democracy exists in Venezuela under Chavez?

Give me a break.

I have never been to Israel or Palestine, so I can't say I am familiar with the true situation, but if the way you describe it is accurate, Joe, than those are certainly not conditions where democracy can thrive. However, that is not what Skip said. He said, "Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless." That has nothing to do with coersion and fear, more with political and moral ideals that differ from his....

ZacS-

I know but I think what I said is what Skip means.

:kewl:

Nice to see the Palestinian folks voted in a nice mederate group of people to govern them. Yikes :uhoh:

kinda like what happened to our country a few years ago. :hihi:

:lurk: :hidin:


Its Show time.....:hee:

nah.. im done. :lurk:

If you believe in all the "prophecy" stuff like nostra-dumb-a$$,all calender systems other than the modern one we now follow predict the end in 2012.The most accurate is the Mayan calender.If they can predict tomorrow's high tide down to the second........

All I can say is:BRING IT ON!!!!!

I'll bury myself in a hole with my AR and 1200 rounds,50 cases of MREs along with all the ingredients to brew a few hundred gallons of beer and my fishing gear.When I come out I'll have all the bass to myself.And if anybody tries to muscle in on my action...LOOK OUT!!!

Democracy is great, but only when the people involved in the democratic process are not coerced and blinded by both insane intolerant terroristic views promulgated by their extremist authoritarian leaders and by a probable fear that those extremist leaders will execute them in the middle of the night should they "vote" against them.

Do you really think it is a true democracy when these overriding pressures exist?
I object your honor, the defense is applying his personal value system upon another culture!

The Palestinians are screwed up in a lot of ways, but you gotta look at the last 60 odd years in perspective to get a grip on what's going on. Not that there's been parity necessarily, but both sides have behaved poorly and the Palestinians have been screwed over by just about everyone including the Brits, Jews and Arabs and Persians.

In the end, unless someone can indicate the election was fraudlent, (that there was corruption or forced votes) what you would have are people voting for who they think is going to deliver the best quality of life for their children. We find terrorisim to be abhorrent, they look at the razing of homes and annexing of land to be just as so...it's all relative.

-spence

what blows my mind is that 80% of americans have no idea that the country of Israel is only 50 years old. If everyone here knew that 50 years ago millions of pallestinians were kicked out of thier homes and forced into giant refugee camps like in the gaza strip, i think our people would understad what Hammas stands for and why they are blowing them selves up in jewish settlements.

you gotta hear both sides of a story to make a fair decision.

almost got me eben.

hey its true. Do i support the beliefs of hamas??? No, but i do show sympathy for the pallestinian cause. Give them their land back and give them statehood. The more i think about, it is is much like the way the americans forced the american indians out of their homelands. Maybe we could send some smallpox laden blankets over there..

Democracy is a great thing. Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless. Nothing like voting for people who train thier kids to strap bombs to themselves and blow up Isreali school children. :doh: Between Hamas in power and that wack job in Iran threatining to wipe Isreal off the map with a nuke this could get ugly real fast.

Israel is historically a fiesty little country. If they get the sense that something is headed their way there's going to be hell to pay for the country responsible. The pre-emptive strike known as the 6 Day War in which they crushed Egypt, Syria, and Jordan would be the classic example of that. The same countries again took another pounding a few years later. I'm not sure if anyone knows what Israel has in terms of nuclear capability, but it is generally assumed they have nuclear weaponry since all signs point to that being the case.

Israel also has a lot of United States weaponry including F-16's as part of a capable air force. Maybe not the latest and greatest, but engaging them in any way is definitely a risky activity for any country. IMO, Israel, if provoked, would eliminate a lot of countries our current administration doesn't really care for...

hey its true. Do i support the beliefs of hamas??? No, but i do show sympathy for the pallestinian cause. Give them their land back and give them statehood. The more i think about, it is is much like the way the americans forced the american indians out of their homelands. Maybe we could send some smallpox laden blankets over there..
or we could all swim away and give it back to the native americans. yeah i know ...you got me.

Many native american tribes are getting what they deserve. look at the 2 casinos in CT..

in comparison that's like the israelis giving back a dunkin dounuts.

Charlatans

People need to focus on the reality...this vote was more about the past 10 years of pathetic leadership than it was about the destruction of the Jews.

It's a very strange situation really.

Hamas has some very difficult decisions to make, they can't just switch their emotions off...but if they decide not to abandon their militant past they're going bring the whole house down.

-spence

I object your honor, the defense is applying his personal value system upon another culture!

The Palestinians are screwed up in a lot of ways, but you gotta look at the last 60 odd years in perspective to get a grip on what's going on. Not that there's been parity necessarily, but both sides have behaved poorly and the Palestinians have been screwed over by just about everyone including the Brits, Jews and Arabs and Persians.

In the end, unless someone can indicate the election was fraudlent, (that there was corruption or forced votes) what you would have are people voting for who they think is going to deliver the best quality of life for their children. We find terrorisim to be abhorrent, they look at the razing of homes and annexing of land to be just as so...it's all relative.

-spence

Nope Spence, just what I consider normal human universal values. Jusr because some people portray their causes as sympathetic or somehow moral in their own sense of culture does not mean I have to believe or accept their crap.

I consider it coercion when people are led to believe that strapping bombs to themselves or their kids is the "right" thing to do and will lead to some sort of salvation for them.

Tired now...

I think you're confusing the cause of the general people vs the cause of those aligned against Isreal. The whole Wilsonian "universal values" thing is fragile, it exists in a world of plenty, not in a world of poverty.

I'm not justifying any of their actions, I find terrorisim to be abhorrent and Hamas to be evil in many ways, but I also understand (somewhat) how humans could come to do these things.

Think about US action in Dresden or the atomic attacks in Japan. These clearly were intended to kill large numbers of civilians to crush the will of our opponents. Were they in our interests at the time? Sure they were...but you know where I'm going.

The key is, we can't just look at terrorists as crackpots, because you can never stop all the wackos. The world today is such that a few people can create tremendous harm for the masses if their motivated.

We need policy that places a wedge between the real fanatics and the mainstream. Today we've lost a billion people on the wrong side of the wedge...

-spence

Spence I agree with alot of what you said - it's just that the premise of my original comments came from the other comments about whether or not the Hamas vote today was "true" democracy in action.

But I will add, again, that I believe policy and diplomacy with these types of people only goes so far, and then aggressive protective and instinctual defensive tactics must take over. That is why I fully support what our President has done for this country in the past 4 years...

You know...the interesting byline here is that the people were so frustrated with the corruption of the old government that they voted a wacko terror group into power!

Could some strategic aid have swayed (i.e. purchased) their support instead?

Was Isreal too hardline in their stance?

Simple questions, but this is and has been the single largest Global policy issue in the last 35 years! (aside from the cold war)...

-spence

:lurk:

Many native american tribes are getting what they deserve. look at the 2 casinos in CT..

Give up your house and return your land to the Native Americans. Its the right thing to do, its not your land anyway. if you don't i guess they have the right to walk into your home and blow up your family and take back thier land.

Hamas should be wiped off the planet. They are a terroist organization who's only goal is to destroy Isreal. They don't care about peace. They don't want to live along side Isreal in peace. They want Isreali's dead just like the wacko from Iran does. I can't in my wildest dreams understand why anyone would show sympathy for such disgusting human beings and try to some how justify murdering inoccents. I for one will not show any sympathy for a group who teaches thier children its ok to strap on a bomb and walk into a crowded mall. It's like showing sympathy for Al Queida or the Taliban. They are all the same and make me sick. %$%$%$%$ Hamas. I hope they all rot in hell.

ZacS-

I know but I think what I said is what Skip means.

:kewl:

Amen brother :kewl:

yeah they just want whats best for thier children....:mad:

And those damn Isreali's have way to much Middle Eastern Land...:hs:

:hee:

Usually at this point of this conversation I ask if the proposed solution in genocide of the Palestinian people.

Is that you're solution?

-spence

what blows my mind is that 80% of americans have no idea that the country of Israel is only 50 years old. If everyone here knew that 50 years ago millions of pallestinians were kicked out of thier homes and forced into giant refugee camps like in the gaza strip, i think our people would understad what Hammas stands for and why they are blowing them selves up in jewish settlements.

you gotta hear both sides of a story to make a fair decision.

Kicked out by who? Not the Jews, it was their fellow arabs who told them to get out of the way so they could destroy Israel. They didn't and Israel didn't let them back in. And who kept them in those refugee camps for the last 50 years? Arab governements, who refused to let them integrate into their countries. Jordan has more of the land from "palistine" than Israel does, and yet most of the Palistinians are still in refugee camps. It's been a PR coup for the arabs, who have a large part of the world blaming Israel for the "palistinian problem" when it was realy all created by the arabs themselves.

what blows my mind is that 80% of americans have no idea that the country of Israel is only 50 years old. If everyone here knew that 50 years ago millions of pallestinians were kicked out of thier homes and forced into giant refugee camps like in the gaza strip, i think our people would understad what Hammas stands for and why they are blowing them selves up in jewish settlements.

you gotta hear both sides of a story to make a fair decision.


HERE HERE :kewl: :kewl: jolly good eben . you hit the nail on the head and so did spence .

They said on the morning news with Hamas now in power....the chance of peace in the mid-east has no chance.....:rollem:....like it had a chance before???:rotfl:

how can anyone have any compassion or respect for these animals who intentionally target civilian populace with suicide bombers? my hope is that these hammas creatins see allah......very soon. oh yeah, and what mmike said.

By all accounts, the election of Hamas was orderly and well executed. Let's please remember the fact that Yassar Arafat was the leader of the PLO. He was the Osama bin Laden of his time and later became a welcome visitor to the White House.

Just because we don't agree with someones point of view on certain issues doesn't mean that they don't want the same things that we want. I know that Hamas stated goal is the destruction of Israel (so was the PLO's). The fact remains that all people want to live according to their beliefs and be able to raise their families.

The only way there will be peace in this region is the establishment of a Palestinian state. The Israeli's will never give up Jeruselem and that will always be a point of contention. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state to happen, so this is a neverending story.

Tolerance is required and there is none in that part of the world.

yeah they just want whats best for thier children....:mad:


Great Website you got this stuff from.... :rolleyes: Explains a lot :doh:

Nice Chef, well said.

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations?? :hihi:


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups. :hs:

It's been a PR coup for the arabs, who have a large part of the world blaming Israel for the "palistinian problem" when it was realy all created by the arabs themselves.
Mike, I think you're forgetting the small part about the UN partition in 1947 done against the wishes of every Arab nation!

While I agree the surrounding Arab states could and should have done much more to help Palestinian suffering over the years, the fact is the UN displaced three quarters of a million people...promised to help them and did little to nothing.

-spence

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations?? :hs:


Nebe

I've always been here. I just don't post much.

Undercover operations where very successful and will resume in the spring.

kinda like what happened to our country a few years ago. :hihi:


Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.

. The fact remains that all people want to live according to their beliefs and be able to raise their families.
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seems to me that there's a bit to much focus on beliefs and not enough on living.
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a little off topic but...after watching a documetary on the huge military base in IRAQ thats outsourced to run it by kbr corp. it's astonishing.
it will be interesting to see what happens when battlebots come into the picture....ON THE GROUND... as we have them in the air now...

Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.
It was a joke...

-spence

Great Website you got this stuff from.... :rolleyes: Explains a lot :doh:

maybe you can learn something there...why not be open minded like you liberals always tell me to be? Oh wait, open minded meens I must must respect your views, It doesnt meen you must respect mine....

how can anyone have any compassion or respect for these animals who intentionally target civilian populace with suicide bombers? my hope is that these hammas creatins see allah......very soon. oh yeah, and what mmike said.

Excactlly....how people don't ge that is beyond me

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations?? :hihi:


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups. :hs:

Ok buddy....Just keep thinking that all persons who support Bush are Nazis...Your are very classy you know that. You have sympathy for Hamas, Now thats extreme my friend. Your so outta wack in your thinking its scary and rather sad. The pics are meant to be funny....chill out with the Nazi talk. When liberals have no argument you go to the Nazi card. Your so predictable.

Very few Indians are getting rich in Ct. from the casino revenue. Very few.

Nebe when will you give up your land? your so passianate about the Isrealis giving up thiers to the Palestianians, When will you return your land to the Indians? How can you sleep at night knowing you are on stolen land? A little double standad here maybe....

I wouldn't compare Skip's website with Nazisim.

SesameStreet.com would be more appropriate :hihi:

And nobody is showing "sympathy" for Hamas and terrorisim there Skip. The issue is a bit more complicated than that...

-spence

maybe you can learn something there...why not be open minded like you liberals always tell me to be? Oh wait, open minded meens I must must respect your views, It doesnt meen you must respect mine....


I was open-minded enough to go there and check it out before commenting. I read the newsletter, I read the T-Shirts, Bumper stickers and slogans, and I read the Mission Statement....and it did nothing for me.

Unlike someone who commented on a film that was posted and said ...

Well i can't open the link in the opening post but i'm sure its more of the usual Nebe anti Bush/ anti war on terror %$%$%$%$.

and

Sounds like one of those Micheal Moore type Documentarys that the liberals wack off too cause its all anti Bush/anti war on terror.

and

Im talking about the BBC in general not the Documentary. And the links dont work so i cant see it. One would assume if its put out by the BBC thier same leftist agenda will dominate the Doc.

and didn't even watch it. At least I formed my opinion by actually looking at the material.


and I apologize for the "explains a lot" comment, That was uncalled for on my part.

and I apologize for the "explains a lot" comment, That was uncalled for on my part.
Perhaps it was uncalled for...but in your defense you were right :devil:

Sorry Skip :cputin:

-spence

SesameStreet.com would be more appropriate :hihi:

-spence


:hihi:

"I was open-minded enough to go there and check it out before commenting. I read the newsletter, I read the T-Shirts, Bumper stickers and slogans, and I read the Mission Statement....and it did nothing for me."

Good and at least you didnt go to the Nazi card like Nebe. And if i could open that link and whenever that bbc program is aired i will watch it. I have a feeling i might be throwing stuff at the TV but i'll watch it:hihi:

If you have broadband you can right-click the links and save the files locally...assuming you have the drive space.

Don't go into it assuming you're going to hate it, keep your mind open...if you don't believe something is presented accurately do a little homework and get more info.

I think there are some good counter arguments for how some issues are presented, but I'd agree with most of the main themes...I've also read many non-liberal authors would would probably agree.

-spence

Mike, I think you're forgetting the small part about the UN partition in 1947 done against the wishes of every Arab nation!

While I agree the surrounding Arab states could and should have done much more to help Palestinian suffering over the years, the fact is the UN displaced three quarters of a million people...promised to help them and did little to nothing.

-spence

I'm not forgetting about the partition. The partition itself did not displace anyone, everyone that was there was allowed to stay there. It was the looming threat that as soon as the UN got out of the way the Arab countries were going to destroy the fledgling state, that forced palistinians to move, the Jews had no where to go, so they stayed and fought, and won. If the palistinians that elected to move out of the way, had instead stayed, they would still be there.

The old saying that "there is nothing new under the sun " is true .

1) Back in the late 30's early 40's it was the Dems that where crying out to get involved in what was becomeing WW2 , and the Republicans saying " stay out of it its their problem we need to be diplomatic "
Now in todays age the the rolls have reversed .

2) Hammas may do some good things , but thats just to cover up their real/true agenda . Hammas has finally got what it wanted , political power . I'm sorry ,open minded or not , this is a big , big problem. They go out recrute , brain wash , and send kids in with bombs tied around them .

just my 2cents

I don't think anyone is arguing that Hamas doing humanitarian work in any way compensates for acts of terror. Rather it's to try to put things in an alternate and disturbing perspective.

Mike, I don't think the refugees had much choice...they could have stayed and probably not lived. The important point is that they were denied the right to return and the UN failed to provide promised assistance.

It is really f'd up and it only going to get worse before it gets better.

HANG ON.

-spence

Spence , when has the UN acompulished anything ? The UN is a compleat wast of time and money.

What in the name of Allah is going on here?A bunch of pseudo poli-sci fishermen giving an Americanized Zionist opinion on age old Middle Eastern politics.
Eben, go make a plug.
Spence, go make some coffee.
Skip N,go make some leaders.

KILL'EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET THE MISSLES FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait...wrong era.Carry on.

Ok buddy....Just keep thinking that all persons who support Bush are Nazis...Your are very classy you know that. You have sympathy for Hamas, Now thats extreme my friend. Your so outta wack in your thinking its scary and rather sad. The pics are meant to be funny....chill out with the Nazi talk. When liberals have no argument you go to the Nazi card. Your so predictable.


no, i only compare that hateful site of yours to neo-nazis, not hitler era nazi's.. You know, the group of guys who go around beating up gays, blacks, and jews.. There are not many hateful websites out there, so that was the best comparison i could find. I guess i could have compared it to the KKK, but they are so passe'

bottom line is your pet website is agianst free speach and chockablock full of ignorant mindless propaganda geared at colege aged sheeple.

hey, if you like it then by all means enjoy yourself. :lurk:

and like i stated before i do not think Hamas is the best for palestine. I am simply saying that the pallestinian cause is not understood by most americans. I dont unserstand it all and i read about this stuff almost nightly.

Ya know what we need?

Another one of those 2mile wide dinosaur ending asteroids!!!

CLEAN SLATE BABY!!!

And the only person left alive'll be me.And the stripers will be ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A link from protest warrior :rotfl:
http://www.communistsforkerry.com/

lol....thats freakin RICH Nebe.... i love it.

its good to see opinions . but lets face it opinons are like butt holes everyone has one but they all stink .

until you have walked a mile in another mans shoes shut up already

in reallity our opinions dont matter . they voted they have what may or may not be better than what they had . but its what they wanted . ya think they wanted bush in office . I dont think so . maybe the internet guy ? what was his name ? .................................. oh yeah

but you guys enjoy this chatter have at it
im getting another pale 33

but you guys enjoy this chatter have at it
im getting another pale 33

Holy Shiite Muslim!Could not've said it better myself!

bottom line is your pet website is agianst free speach

is that possible in this country ? I know I use it freely !
and chockablock full of ignorant mindless propaganda geared at colege aged sheeple.
I dont know cause I wouldnt visit a site that has political info . but college students are a good audience

no, i only compare that hateful site of yours to neo-nazis, not hitler era nazi's.. You know, the group of guys who go around beating up gays, blacks, and jews.. There are not many hateful websites out there, so that was the best comparison i could find. I guess i could have compared it to the KKK, but they are so passe'

bottom line is your pet website is agianst free speach and chockablock full of ignorant mindless propaganda geared at colege aged sheeple.

hey, if you like it then by all means enjoy yourself. :lurk:

and like i stated before i do not think Hamas is the best for palestine. I am simply saying that the pallestinian cause is not understood by most americans. I dont unserstand it all and i read about this stuff almost nightly.


Lets see...So i hate Jews, Blacks, Gays and i belong to the KKK. Damn, this is news to me. I didnt know i was like that. Well if Nebe says so i must be like that. After all his opinions are the only ones that matter. I hate Jews huh? You might want to rethink that...Who his the one here who has sympathy for Hamas and "the Cause"? "The cause" involves blowing up innocent kids and teaching children to be suicide bombers. Not to mention those people you support voted in Hamas!! Just who is the Jew hater my friend? If you want to suppurt a cause that invloves the destruction of an entire race go right ahead...but you are one misguided fellow.

:lurk:

:lurk:

you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink
:lurk:

Dumb people argue politics.Vicarious entertainment for a few of us but nothing gets resolved.Showing poor judgement and a lack of common decency at this point.People are entitled to their opinions.If everyone thought alike;the world would stop spinning.It's one thing to recognize a cause and another to die for it.PASSION

What the Dangler said.
Nebe u said Sheeple.
Thats A NIBism

dump people argue politics, smart people debate politics. :hihi:

hey NIB :fishslap:

dump people argue politics, smart people debate politics. :hihi:

hey NIB :fishslap:
Trust me Nebe,your unworthy diatribe has placed you in the former category.
If I may quote Shakespeare"A rose by any other name is still a rose"
Just trying to give both participants a chance to bow out with what little dignity they have left.

dude, you have made quite a fool of your self on these boards, so i would say you are calling the kettle black.

besides i am simply stating my opinion. if you dont like it, add me to your ignore list.

dude, you have made quite a fool of your self on these boards, so i would say you are calling the kettle black.

besides i am simply stating my opinion. if you dont like it, add me to your ignore list.
More drivel:crying:
And you wonder why you are ostracized from the ledge.

:usd: :lurk:

:laughs:

:laughs:

Im laughing too. Is it spring yet???:wiggle:

Sharon is getting what he wanted with the Palastinians. He took his troops out of the way and they started killing themselves immediately. To Israel it may be a problem that is going to take care of itself. But if it doesn't consider this, Hamas on one side of Israel and Iran a short distance away. How long does anyone think that Israel is going to allow that kind of threat to fester and grow before they step on the threat? Boom!:soon:

NIB is smarter than he looks!:bshake:

The interesting thing is that now that the people of palestine have voted in the party that they want, the onus is totally on Hamas to step up to the plate. If Hamas does not show to the world that they want peace, the US and its allies will place sanctions up the yazoo which could put palestine in a worse place than the days of arafat.
This year will be very intersting to say the least.

Sanctions???

Hell, we're talking about cutting off aid!

-spence

Its sad looking at this from both sides. Isreal and the palastinians are fighting to keep land they have lived on and lost, lived on and lost, lived on and lost over several milleniums. God, no matter which one you ascribe to isn't making any more of it and maybe on that basis everybody ought to learn to live with what they have.