with their own high end vs type reel for less $$...should be interesting.Have you heard anything about this?

Which foreign country are they being made in? Its one thing buying Shimano products, because they actually started and still continue to be made in America, but Penn moved it production facilty overseas from Pennsyvania where its quality sucked and still sucks.

shimano made in Japan sorry for the error

penn spinner's moved o.s,,not conv.their still being made here.

I would be interested in finding out myself regarding Penn .
Swimmer are you a quality control engineer and can you back up your statement with facts.



with their own high end vs type reel for less $$...should be interesting.Have you heard anything about this?

If they simply fix the 706Z with a better anit-reverse, I will be a customer for sure.

Did you hear around when it would be released??

Got the 2006 issue of "The Surfcaster" today and it mentioned the retooled 706Z would be released sometime in late "06"

I didn't get into the time line him,,but with all the fishing show's coming up you could corner a rep. into some more detailed info. not that I'd would buy one or need one for that matter, all my old 550's-650's are still slaying slob's without a wimper on land or sea.

shimano made in Japan sorry for the error

Actually---except for the Stradic, Sustain and Stella spinning reels, and the Calcutta, and the high end trolling reels---they're mostly made in Malaysia now. Including the Tynnus and Spheros.

I meet with Penn on monday and will find out.

Redsoxticket,
Having many Penn reels that suffered premature bail closure (larger ones mostly), and having watched as the quality of the product (going from all metal to half plastic and half metal), and during premature bail closure many pieces of terminal tackle and lures of all types broke off costing me money gives me the right to state my reasons for saying Penn s#$ks. In the last few years on this site Penn reels have been bashed by most all of us here. Shimano has taken over as the reel to own on every economic level.
I once talked to a rep at the factory and his only reply to me was "well, how long have you been fishing?" That was after I told him I had probably 12 to 15 Penn reels down cellar. I spoke with several dealers (none here) who said my complaint about the bails was becoming commonplace.
One doesn't have to be a quality control engineer to make these assertions. Query past threads that must still be available in the archives about Penn. Either way, by myself, or with many of the members here on S-B.com I stand by what I said.

Thanks MikeP for the right location......

All reel manufacterers suck:liquify:

i noticed last night while reading the surfcaster catalog that penn is re-tooling the 706. I thought why the hell would they re-tool the 706??? I have a hunch that they are going to use the 706 frame, make it water proof and put a metal side plate on there, but this is only a hunch. :huh:

There was a pic in an add in Saltwatersportsman. Nice heavy bail looks decent. Not even close to a VS though.

I noticed where the spool is in relation to when you open the bail can cause closures when casting on many spinners

or did I?

Is this it??http://www.pennreels.com/01_products/reels/spinning/08_silverado/silverado.htm

I hope the reels improve. My opinon is slightly negative now, but when I was a kid it was the only reels I apsired to own, and in fact bought many of. Remember the old green relics. Wish I had a few in the oringinal boxes.

Checked the link Nebe. Those pics resemble something half stella half sustain, no.

Is this it??http://www.pennreels.com/01_products/reels/spinning/08_silverado/silverado.htm

"Offering maximum performance
at an affordable price, the Penn
Silverado® is based on the sleek
design of the popular Penn
Captiva®."

The Captiva is possibly the biggest POS Penn ever put out :yak6:

Or at least until this one :doh:

At $55.00 for the SV8000 I don't think this is being made to compete with VS

Allegedly a certain someone on this board might possiibly have heard about an unconfirmed Penn Project that was going to take the Z series reels, and amp them up into maybe a submersable workhorse in what might be the $200 range. It is possible that these alleged project reels were possibley tested overseas last year and the bugs just might have been being eliminated prior to any unconfirmed release. It is also possible that industry persons that might have been tipped off about this project were warned to keep any alleged information of this typed to themselves.

But then again we all know the internet and rumors.

Patrick, are you saying that not everything on the internet is true? Gasp........all this time I thought the internet was the last bastion of truth.:p :laughs:

I'm wondering if it's a rumor too. I haven't heard a peep from any reps, but then again I haven't talked to a Penn rep in a few months. If it was really happening I think they'd be making plenty of noise about it so people would hold off on buying a VS and maybe buy this alleged reel.

Somebody should come out with a high-end hand line set up.

Somebody should come out with a high-end hand line set up.

My father already did come out with that Joe, many years ago. He got a patent on it as well, I'm surprised you didn't know.

The VS reels are excellent but I would probably bang it up on the rocks sooner then later but if Penn comes out with a lower cost waterproof I would not feel as guilty. If I fished sandy beaches the VS would be nice, we'll see.

Penn affinity???? http://www.marksfishing.com/2006/01/13/penn-affinity-spinning-reel/

Slip - No. I did not know that..Get a few or make a few - I think their would be some interest in that.

Allegedly a certain someone on this board might possiibly have heard about an unconfirmed Penn Project that was going to take the Z series reels, and amp them up into maybe a submersable workhorse in what might be the $200 range. It is possible that these alleged project reels were possibley tested overseas last year and the bugs just might have been being eliminated prior to any unconfirmed release. It is also possible that industry persons that might have been tipped off about this project were warned to keep any alleged information of this typed to themselves.

Talked with Penn today and the confirmed the 704 / 706 rumors.
They do not know what to call the reel yet. They are still working on the seals & instant anti-reverse.
They claim the reel " will be some what dunkable" they would not say sealed..

Would not give a price range. Looks to be about July before we hear any price and time frame on deliveries.

and u guy's thought I was full of woo-woo..shame on u.How can a no-name old codder know about the inner working's of a big co.:hihi:

Talked with Penn today and the confirmed the 704 / 706 rumors.
They do not know what to call the reel yet. They are still working on the seals & instant anti-reverse.
They claim the reel " will be some what dunkable" they would not say sealed..

Would not give a price range. Looks to be about July before we hear any price and time frame on deliveries.

I felt as if I have had it with Penn but if they take a simple 704/6 and put a better anti-reverse, I will be very happy.

The three reasons why I dont use my 704 is because of the lack of an IAR, crappy roller bearing and bail spring failures.

A 704 with IAR, roller bearing that actually rolls and a bail that does not fail will be used very often....I am thinking of buying one of the new 7500 reels but with this news I will wait.

I hope the sale puke wasnt just boasting to keep us interested...