To quote from the comedy/satire of George Carlin;

"Do you believe in God? 'NO", ....Bang!

"Do you believe in God? "Yes! "Do you believe in My God?" "No"..Bang!

Islam and Christianity are in for a showdown and it ain't going to be pretty. Middle East vs. the West, whatever you call it Religion is the basis for most of the worlds troubles. Hard to imagine but true. Blood will flow of innocents on both sides. Allah, God whatever you call him, her or it, cannot be pleased. It will come as surely as we live and breath.:doh:

Funny Flap I had the exact same thought just the other day...its gonna happen!

I have thought for awhile now that this could lead to the next big one. How do you reason with someone who thinks they have the right to burn a building down because a picture was printed of your god?:(

Its actually happening as we speak....and has been for centuries.....however I think it is soon to come to a head!:lossinit:

all i'm saying is i'm in the red and you don't want a race car in the red. and why am i on brain detail anyway....

Yep its coming...Islam is not the religion of peace like people claim. if it was then why all the Muslim riots and killings we see daily? If the world had any spine we'd confront these wackos before it gets worse and Iran gets a Nuke. The US and a few other countries are the only ones who see this problem and accually try and take them out. Why doesnt the rest of the world care?? Radical Islamists are the new Nazis...and the world sits back and watches it all and does nothing. Why?

I'm a Christian and i could care less what religion people practice. I have nothing against peaceful Muslim's but why is thier religion the root of some much hate in the world? What the hell is thier problem?

What a wuss, does this guy actually think the media should be backing down? If I want to print toilet paper with the Koran on it and sell it, I can. At least in the US I can. This backing down is what gives hope to terrorists.
PARIS - French President Jacques Chirac accused newspapers printing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed of "provocation," after yet another French publication put the contentious caricatures on its pages. "Anything that can hurt the convictions of another, particularly religious convictions, must be avoided. Freedom of expression must be exercised in a spirit of responsibility," Chirac told his cabinet, according to a government spokesman on Wednesday.

Skip, the Islamic leadership for the most part is calling for non-violent protests.

I think what we're seeing is a combination of Islamist manipulation exacerbating somewhat genuine anti-western rage that really has no other outlet. People are simply fed up with what they see as western aggression against Islam and failure of their own leaders.

You guys do realize that before 9/11 the more moderate muslim writers were talking about the global decline in Islamic fundamentalisim!

Perhaps if we started acting like the liberal democracy we say we are we can give the 3rd world something to look up to and avoid an epic confrontation. Yes, they're responsible for their own actions...but our LEADERSHIP can really influence things.

My fear is that the various radical muslims doomday sects in Iran could get too much power. They have their own version of Rapture in which the 12th Imam will save the world from a horrific global war.

They're predicting this in 2008 :hee:

Hang on...

-spence

As long as I get a couple more seasons of fishing in before it goes down....I need that 40 pounder before I check out!:laughs:

"Skip, the Islamic leadership for the most part is calling for non-violent protests."

Your right as far as in the US goes. It's the leadership in the middle east countries that i'm concerned about. I think the leadership over there along with their governments are fueling most of this. And thats what scares me. the fact that this is accepted and encouraged.

I think if Iran keeps up thier attempts to make Nukes we will see some chit hit fan very soon. Neither the US or Isreal will allow Iran to posses a Nuke. Once Iran gets close to getting that nuke watch out. You will see alot of stuff falling from the sky over Iran and rightfully so. Otherwise Isreal will be wiped out by Iran as they have stated they want to do. Thsi is going to get real ugly. And yes we will see a pre emptive strike on Iran if they keep up thier current actions.

People are simply fed up with what they see as western aggression against Islam and failure of their own leaders.


-spence

Spence, I seriously tried to keep an open mind on your post. But the reality is that muslims are rioting becasue newspapers posted cartoons of Muhammed. Nothing more. Is that Western agrression? WHat have the govts of Saudi Arabia said? Jordan? Indonesia?
NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHy cant they say, hey its none of our business people can post what they want, we muslims however know that true path of Allah blah blah blah. Its seems that there is a constant undercurrent to your thoughts that the US or west is really bad and the terrorists and fanatical muslims really do have a point. Someone made Kuwiat and Saudi Arabia the richest kingdoms in the world, we aint stealin that oil..........

Its seems that there is a constant undercurrent to your thoughts that the US or west is really bad and the terrorists and fanatical muslims really do have a point.
The consistant undercurrent to my thoughts is called...

P-R-A-G-M-A-T-I-S-I-M

To deny Western policy hasn't had a tremendous influence in the Islamic world would be akin to declaring your own stool tastes like cool and refreshing ice cream on a hot summer afternoon.

The USA is founded on the principals of liberty and self determination, but our meddeling in others affairs has run counter to these beliefs and now we're dealing with the fallout.

Certainly we've made decisions based upon our interests at the time, and I'm not placing blame nor offering an appology or compensation.

It simply is what it is.

But that doesn't mean we can't learn from past actions and mistakes. Muslims are human beings and are driven by emotions just like you and me.

For sure there are violent extremists who need to be dealt with forcefully, but if we reject outright another's behavior as simply "crazy" without any thought of our own simply because it's easier or aligns with a stereotype, the true solutions to our problems will never be found.

-spence

If I may interject;Spence actually articulates the global view quite well.It's whether we as self centered bomb dropping my way or the fried way Americanos give a rats ass about the global view.

stay tuned.....crusades ll.

When Islam was about 35 years they sacked Alexandria. The Library there didn't conform. I think that they may have given themselves up right out of the box...

The end of the world has been comming since the start of the world. Religion has caused as many wars as politics, because people don't ever see the other side, the world is a chaotic place, always has been.

It was written in the bible 1000's of years ago that all armys will meet in the middle east (not to exchange fishing spots). I can't say enough.... if everyone practiced their faith this would be a far better world. As far as I know no faith says kill. IMO it wrong to blame religion or God for mans ignorance. Praying for peace is a good idea.

Good for us - that's our kind of war.
Any kind of war where we know where the enemy is and we do not to be concerned about collateral damage we can win in short order.
That's why we are faced with a war of terrorism, of improvised explosive devices, and of subversion. Its why the Iranians want the bomb. It's not because they are cowards - far from it. It's because the Republican Guard did not last a day on the battlefield.

Israel will bomb the crap out of Iran if they even have a sniff of the bomb.We gave them F-16 Fighting Falcons for their defense.It was our F-4 Phantoms that won the six day war,remember?

I remember reading in a book about the Vietnam War about five years ago that interview a former North Vietnamese general whose last name was Giap. He was quite a formidable person. And respected by his peers on both sides of the war. One thing he said was so simple yet it struck me as forming the basis for his theories on the war as it related to his soldiers and thier survival and the soldiers from the U.S. and the South Vietnamese army he was fighting against. He said, "how did you think you could beat our army when we have been at war for the last 700 years, living in the jungle and eating a handful of rice a day." Thtas not exact so if I misquoted him slightly please be kind, but my point is as it relates to the desert insurgents we are fighting now. The only difference is that they live on a cup of water a day as opposed to what our needs are.
The hate us because for the most part we put ourselves out there to hate. They hate us because they are told we are the devil. They hate us because they live in a closed society that essentialy tells them to not to bother to think freely we the Imans or whatever will do your thinking for you. Why are there so many people at these demonstartions, because thier unemployed. Why are they always in a pissy mood, because theysee that the Brazilians beat them to the illegal imigration punch. Now thiers no frieking room for all the Iraqies here. Imagine both an Iraqi and a Brazilians serving up the java at DD's. They hated us long before we invaded Iraq.......:rude:

Along the same lines:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_15_06_EK.html

For those of you who don't know Him Ed Koch is a former Mayor of NYC and a Democrat.