I have heard him say some dumb things but today was the best.

Lets make everybody that is American pay 30,000 dollars so we can pay for the war he started. babys, homeless, poor, single moms/dads,

do you realize how much money thos would be for me to pay?

180,000 dollars hello two years pay for my wife and I

next he will want to take SS to pay for it.

Clueless and out of touch.:hs:

any links to that???? that sounds ( i hope) like it was taken out of context? could not be serious.

into IRAN! now that he has the AIRPORT
(war machine) right beside them
...so he can regain his
popularity....via the WAR....
fine, go ahead... all those bastards
want us all dead anyways.
you didnt think it would END ,did ya?:wave:

30k per person 270,000,000 people = $8,100,000,000,000

Something is wrong with this picture.

give US each 30k and tell THEM to go pound sand.

It's everything wrong with all previous Repub or Dem administrations x10.

I pitty Bush really. His game plan was to surround himself with people who's advice he trusted...and from day one he's gotten nothing but terrible advice.

It doesn't matter if you're more liberal, a moderate or a Goldwater/Reagan conservative, there is so much to be outraged about.

At least they're an equal opportunity offender :hihi:

-spence

Its horrible and sad.... God Bless America :o

For these misadventures the country has been dragged into some families have paid a price that can never be calculated.

And that, I believe, is the saddest fact of all.

Told ya so :hs:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060317.IRAQ17/TPStory/TPInternational/

If this is what you are talking about - get your facts straight. He did not SAY that everyone should pay $30,000.

It is a budget matter.

I can think of alot of liberal-spending issues that could be cut out just as well as the war matters to lower the budget.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060317.IRAQ17/TPStory/TPInternational/

If this is what you are talking about - get your facts straight. He did not SAY that everyone should pay $30,000.

It is a budget matter.

I can think of alot of liberal-spending issues that could be cut out just as well as the war matters to lower the budget.

Thanks for posting the FACTS. Maybe some other people should look up the facts before starting a Bush bashing thread...

He is doing a crappy job though, and I supported him.

Thanks for posting the FACTS. Maybe some other people should look up the facts before starting a Bush bashing thread...


WOW, I'm Impressed you agree that these are the facts....Your starting to come around after all. :D

"That's trillion with a T, or about $30,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States, marking the fourth time that the so-called debt cap has been hiked since George W. Bush became President in 2001."

"The Republicans' addiction to debt leaves conservative economists and policy experts in despair."

"Somebody needs to stand up and say, 'Stop me before I spend again,' " said Pat Toomey, a former Republican member of Congress who now runs the conservative Club for Growth, a group that supports small-government candidates."

"The Democrats, who voted against the increase in the debt cap, insisted it wasn't their fault. "We are plunging deeper and deeper into debt and it is increasingly financed by foreigners," said Senator Ken Conrad of North Dakota, the leading Democrat on the Senate's budget committee."

"Jim Horney, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, said things were going just fine under Bill Clinton, who ran up four years of budget surpluses before Mr. Bush decided to slash taxes, especially on the wealthy. "

Should I get you a "Hillary in 08" T-Shirt....

Flaptail and I will fix everything :o

The budget increased by 781 billion to 9 trillion dollars, which is equivalent to saying that every U.S. person including you SkipN will be paying approximately $3,000 to fuel the war including all newborns living in poverty.

WOW, I'm Impressed you agree that these are the facts....Your starting to come around after all. :D

"That's trillion with a T, or about $30,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States, marking the fourth time that the so-called debt cap has been hiked since George W. Bush became President in 2001."

"The Republicans' addiction to debt leaves conservative economists and policy experts in despair."

"Somebody needs to stand up and say, 'Stop me before I spend again,' " said Pat Toomey, a former Republican member of Congress who now runs the conservative Club for Growth, a group that supports small-government candidates."

"The Democrats, who voted against the increase in the debt cap, insisted it wasn't their fault. "We are plunging deeper and deeper into debt and it is increasingly financed by foreigners," said Senator Ken Conrad of North Dakota, the leading Democrat on the Senate's budget committee."

"Jim Horney, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, said things were going just fine under Bill Clinton, who ran up four years of budget surpluses before Mr. Bush decided to slash taxes, especially on the wealthy. "

Should I get you a "Hillary in 08" T-Shirt....

Umm no, what tattoo bob was saying was that Bush wanted every American to pay $30,000! Thats NOT what Bush said. The facts i'm referring to are what bush did and did not say.Where TB came up with that is beyond me....

I saw it on NBC Nightly News, and thats how they reported it.

The other thing I read in the Herald was they a couple of weeks ago
was the retirement age was going up to 85 yrs. old
Is this his big SS plan, Because as far I heard he was giving our
money back not making us work longer and pay more.

I guess this is the real story: http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BEE4C59FF%2D8566%2D41F9%2D9278%2 D209883988224%7D&siteid=google

texas fruit cake.... same as his daddy.
the whole family is fuitcake.....
and the wife shes as fruity as a brazillian with
a fruit basket balanced on her head.
fruit fuity tutey .... go clear brush....
at your friggan ranch....bozo

85 hahahah , :jump1: i hope a bunch of senoir citizens
kick his ass....

did i say i told you so???

whos the conservative now beyotch??? :gf:

85??? the average us life expectancy is about 77! gee #^&#^&#^&#^&- i guess we'll outsmart 'em. i voted for this administration and they have dissappointed me. they are'nt helping this country at all.

Yeah you did, now tell the folks who's financing this huge debt. They'll REALLY love that.

gee fred- i was'nt the only one...

[quote=Nebe]did i say i told you so??? [quote]

yes you did ealier....but

could ya just keep doin it....

cuz it feels sooo good. :o

Hey JohnR, I'm behaving myself,and not commenting!!!!!!

85??? the average us life expectancy is about 77! gee #^&#^&#^&#^&- i guess we'll outsmart 'em. i voted for this administration and they have dissappointed me. they are'nt helping this country at all.

77 for women and 71 for men the whole idea is that you die before you have to collect. they don't want to pay you back they just want to collect money. it's the american way.

It's everything wrong with all previous Repub or Dem administrations x10.

I pitty Bush really. His game plan was to surround himself with people who's advice he trusted...and from day one he's gotten nothing but terrible advice.

It doesn't matter if you're more liberal, a moderate or a Goldwater/Reagan conservative, there is so much to be outraged about.

At least they're an equal opportunity offender :hihi:

-spence

Spence,

I find myself in agreement with you quite a lot lately! You are right on. And I twice vote for him...

Hey JohnR, I'm behaving myself,and not commenting!!!!!!

and John appreciates that :kewl:

I saw it on NBC Nightly News, and thats how they reported it.


oh, so it was on the news? kinda like if it's on the internet it must be true :laugha:

Yeah you did, now tell the folks who's financing this huge debt. They'll REALLY love that.CHINA
:spidey:

oh, so it was on the news? kinda like if it's on the internet it must be true :laugha:

Ya Well I should have looked into it a little further before I posted
I still hate bush I like it shaved

Ya Well I should have looked into it a little further before I posted
I still hate bush I like it shaved

:D

ya, he's having a hard time making friends lately ain't he?
can we fire him for incompetence?

seems people in this thread are mixing up budget with national debt :doh:

And I twice vote for him...
I assume you didn't get the extended warantee :hee:

-spence

I saw it on NBC Nightly News, and thats how they reported it.



There's a surprise...

Yea, the LIBERALS have corrupted NBC :vamp:

They're everywhere...in the lakes the streams our school books and our food supply!!!

Run!!!!

Run!!!!

:)

-spence

Yea, the LIBERALS have corrupted NBC :vamp:

They're everywhere...in the lakes the streams our school books and our food supply!!!

Run!!!!

Run!!!!

:)

-spence

About time you realized it.... :hihi: Well, NBC is not as bad as MSNBC. Keith Olbermann is as liberal as they get...Can he be any more bias? Everyday he has a new kooky consipiracy theory. But then again thats why his ratings suck ass!:bl:

Keith Olbermann is as liberal as they get...
You really don't have any idea what you're talking about do you :huh:

-spence

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about do you :huh:

-spence

Oh i sure do...I watch the first 15 minutes of him at night. Its all Bush bashing and thats it. You accually think he's "fair" and not bias!? :bl2:

Bush bashing doesn't make him a liberal. There are plenty of conservatives bashing Bush on a regular basis.

What about his ideas do you think makes him a liberal?

-spence

Before anybody on national television bashes anybody they check the poll numbers. As long as the the percentages would cover their commentary the newscaster bash their own mother to get ahead in the Neilson Ratings..:usd:

Bush bashing doesn't make him a liberal. There are plenty of conservatives bashing Bush on a regular basis.

What about his ideas do you think makes him a liberal?

-spence

The fact that he spends HALF is show ripping Bush EVERYDAY kinda raises a few red flags for me on his agenda. Sure he can raise questions on Bush's policys, thats fine and totally fair. But when its obvious he hates W with a passion how can one call him fair? He constantly gets in cheap shots and stupid little jokes. He's not a serious news reporter anyway, he's no different than watching John Stewart on the Daily show in my opionion. My favorite was after W's State of the Union spech when there was a sharp increase in W's poll numbers. Olberman spends maybe 5 seconds on that and proceeds to say the polls are meaningless because more Repubs watched his speach than Dems so they dont count. But everytime W's polls drop...Its the top strory! Nah, but no bias! :rotfl: have you EVER heard him praise W? For anything? i think not.... Its always negative.

You still haven't answered how that makes him a "liberal".

Perhaps he believes in an honest, competent and transparent government that respects the US Consititution. If that was his agenda it would certainly justify some of his behavior.

-spence

You still haven't answered how that makes him a "liberal".

Perhaps he believes in an honest, competent and transparent government that respects the US Consititution. If that was his agenda it would certainly justify some of his behavior.

-spence

I dont know if he himself is a liberal. But he certainly reports the news from an anti Bush left wing perspective. I dont see any difference in the way Olberman reports on the issues than how Nebe does....they sound very alike...

The great Liberal cover-up..
Nebe IS Olberman!!!!! :eek:

The great Liberal cover-up..
Nebe IS Olberman!!!!! :eek:

ha maybe. But man they sound so alike!

I still think Spence raised a good point... bashing bush doesnt make KO a liberal...
maybe he just has a personal distrust/dislike for bush...???

I dont know if he himself is a liberal. But he certainly reports the news from an anti Bush left wing perspective. I dont see any difference in the way Olberman reports on the issues than how Nebe does....they sound very alike...
So anti-bush = left wing?

That's just absurd. I didn't think you had any idea what you were talking about.

Bryan, that fish must have been a shad...

-spence

Yup...
and Yup....

Did u evr notice u never see Nebe an KO in the same room.

I still think Spence raised a good point... bashing bush doesnt make KO a liberal...
maybe he just has a personal distrust/dislike for bush...???

Of course he hates Bush. Thats why you can't believe a word he says becuase he has an obvious bias against Bush. Thats my whole point...

So anti-bush = left wing?

That's just absurd. I didn't think you had any idea what you were talking about.

Bryan, that fish must have been a shad...

-spence

So Olberman is not Left wing is what your saying? Look its one thing to disagree with W on issues but its another thing to slander the man and go out of ones way to rip him apart like Olberman does. How you cant see his clear bias is beyond me....

So Olberman is not Left wing is what your saying? Look its one thing to disagree with W on issues but its another thing to slander the man and go out of ones way to rip him apart like Olberman does. How you cant see his clear bias is beyond me....
Slander is a legal word Skippy, are now accusing KO of lying about Bush?

If someone was to ask you to describe a liberal, what would you say?

-spence

Slander is a legal word Skippy, are now accusing KO of lying about Bush?

If someone was to ask you to describe a liberal, what would you say?

-spence

Heres one persons thoughts on that question.

By: Michael Bauman,
Ever since Michael Dukakis suffered a terrible drubbing at the polls for flashing his ACLU card in public and for identifying himself as a liberal without embarrassment, the dreaded “L” word has fallen into wide disfavor, even disrepute. Some liberal politicians, like Bill Clinton, don’t like to use it all. Nevertheless, it’s still possible to know who’s a liberal and who is not.

You might be a liberal if . . .

You think that consenting adults can engage freely in every activity except capitalism.

You named your children Moonglow and Arizona.

You think the really alarming violence takes place outside the abortion clinic.

You’ve ever referred to the “root cause” of something.

You pray to “The Woman Upstairs.”

You think we never gave peace a chance.

You had to be told that “Manhattan,” “menopause” and “boycott” were not sexist words

You begin sentences with the words “I feel.”

Your driver’s license has a hyphen because for you one last name just isn’t enough.

You don’t think “All in the Family” is a very funny program, but watch it anyway because Meathead makes a lot of sense.

You think OJ is out looking for the real killers.

You think Keth Olbermann is an astute social commentator.

You think it takes a village.

You think that the words “to promote the general welfare” in the Constitution mean to promote welfare generally.

You think that, even though more people voted against him than for him in both the 1992 and the 1996 presidential elections, Bill Clinton had a mandate.

You think that conservatives, like preservatives, ought to be federally regulated.

You ever wore earth shoes.

You have ever wondered out loud, “Why can’t we all just get along?”

You think the New York Times prints all the news that’s fit.

You think that Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer.

You spent Columbus Day reading Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

You reach the limits of your talent and then complain that you ran into a glass ceiling.

You wear more ribbons on your lapel than in your hair.

You think that the really dangerous McCarthy was Joe, not Eugene.

You blame the Unabomber’s parents.

You fail to see the connection between Lenin and Lennon.

You have ever agreed with Martin Sheen or Barbra Streisand.

Aside from perhaps 2 items that's really not funny at all :sleeps:

You'd think if Liberals were so dumb they'd be a lot easier to lampoon.

-spence

Aside from perhaps 2 items that's really not funny at all :sleeps:

You'd think if Liberals were so dumb they'd be a lot easier to lampoon.

-spence

You might be a Liberal if you lack the ability to laugh at yourself

How about a definition for "Still Drinking the Kool-Aid"?

I hope this is received with the Humor that is intended.

So anti-bush = left wing?

That's just absurd. I didn't think you had any idea what you were talking about.

Bryan, that fish must have been a shad...

-spence

Actually Spence is correct. I'm about as conservative as you can get on most issues and I have had it with him. He has let all facets of his supporters down. Funny thing is I don't think it was intentional. I believe he is an honest guy tyring to please everyone but delegating too much power to his advisors. However, that is the problem, you can't please everyone.

I believe he is an honest guy tyring to please everyone but delegating too much power to his advisors. However, that is the problem, you can't please everyone.
As I said before, Bush has basically ceeded all his power to those whom he foolishly trusts. Bush isn't evil, he's just not smart enough to be running the country.

Which is pretty obvious...but remember...he was chosen by GOP insiders for expressly this reason!

-spence

Actually Spence is correct. I'm about as conservative as you can get on most issues and I have had it with him. He has let all facets of his supporters down. Funny thing is I don't think it was intentional. I believe he is an honest guy tyring to please everyone but delegating too much power to his advisors. However, that is the problem, you can't please everyone.

i agree.

The anti-christ and his followers are still drinking the kool-aid for their admittance to failings will never be recognized by them.

.but remember...he was chosen by GOP insiders for expressly this reason!

-spence

Bingo.

you and me is like beer and pretzels. :uhuh:

How about a definition for "Still Drinking the Kool-Aid"?

Yep Liberals love the kool-aid...

Skip do you still believe in Santa?

Skip do you still believe in Santa?

Do you still believe Iraq never had or used WMD's?

Do you still believe Iraq never had or used WMD's?
Skip, I'd delete this post quick like before anyone sees it.

-spence

Skip, I'd delete this post quick like before anyone sees it.

-spence

I guess gassing Kurds doesnt count as Iraq having or using WMD's right?

I guess gassing Kurds doesnt count as Iraq having or using WMD's right?
That's not the point, your previous post was a non sequitur.

-spence

What it is, Is they had the WMD'S when Bush sr. went to war, when Jr went to look for them they found nothing. because there were none. He wanted to succeed were his old man couldn't and guess what he isn't doing any better than Dad, He lied and now us as tax payers are paying the price and will be until we retire and then some.

Well, I can help myself, so I guess you have to "Support Bacteria!-they're the only culture some people have"!!!!!And I don't mean us Publicans!!

Do you still believe Iraq never had or used WMD's?
:laugha:

I believe they had them, because we gave Iraq the WMD's when they went to war with Iran, which was highly illegal. That is why the pentagon was so sure they had them.

I dont gove a flying F- if they used them or not over there, the fact is that they were never going to use them 'over here', and that was the battle cry- that Iraq was going to attack us with 'WMD's'

:laugha:

I believe they had them, because we gave Iraq the WMD's when they went to war with Iran, which was highly illegal. That is why the pentagon was so sure they had them.

I dont gove a flying F- if they used them or not over there, the fact is that they were never going to use them 'over here', and that was the battle cry- that Iraq was going to attack us with 'WMD's'

I dont think anyone thought Iraq would attack us, the whole WMD thing was mainly that we knew Saddam had ties to Al Queada and Hamas and could very easily hand over WMD's to those terroist groups. And Bush beileved, as do I, that that was a strong possiblty and we just couldnt take that chance in a post 9/11 world. I guess you trusted Saddam to be a good little dictator and behave. I for one would'nt have taken that chance, Especially after 9/11. Who in thier right mind would have!?

Now we have a very simalur situation with Iran. We know they are trying to get a Nuke, they have siad they will destroy Isreal and we all know they have major ties to Al Queada. I doubt Iran will attack the U.S. but they certainly have the potential to destroy our allies and hand over weapons to Al Queada, who could use them to attack us. Do you trust that nut job in Iran to have wmd's? Given your stance on Iraq i can only assume you will not support any military action in Iran if it should come to that.

I dont think anyone thought Iraq would attack us, the whole WMD thing was mainly that we knew Saddam had ties to Al Queada and Hamas and could very easily hand over WMD's to those terroist groups.
Actually, no we didn't...

What's been made clear after the fact is that the Administration had no credible evidence linking Saddam and Bin Laden, yet for some reason Skip believes it's true.

Can someone do the math here?

Now we have a very simalur situation with Iran. We know they are trying to get a Nuke
Actually we don't. We don't have any evidence that proves they are working on a nuke. There is much evidence that's suspect, but nothing conclusive.

This isn't to say Iran isn't a threat...but it certainly calls into question the motives of those sounding the alarm. So far their track record of success is quite poor.

-spence

Here's some rather interesting stuff to read...

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F

Not really...all he's doing is stating rumor and unchecked statements as hard facts to get you to believe there's something of substance.

Skip...are you listening?

Every US Government group tasked with investigating this issue has come up completely cold...nothing...nada...zip...zilch.

The stuff from your tap is the Kool-Aid, the stuff in the pitcher in your fridge is water...

Time for a little switcheraroo.

-spence

Ok so you say those are all lies and made up. How about some new stuff. Tons of documents captured in Afganastan and Iraq have recently been released and more are to be followed. Here's some more for ya...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/990ieqmb.asp?pg=1

Of course this is from the weekly standard so i'm sure its all propaganda. But facts are facts. Some interesting stuff in this atricle, Including Iraqs ties to Philippine terroists which i have never heard of until reading this. Interesting read if nothing else.

The military plan to invade Iraq was inspired in conception and proved to be brilliant in execution. The civilian plan for holding and occupying Iraq has proven to be a tremendous failure. It shows a squandering of a victory that, I think, is hard to comprehend - so great is the magnitude.

I believe there is no greater example of the absolute inept nature of the Bush administration than talk of some sort of military option for dealing with Iran before figuring their way out of Iraq.

If having this viewpoint makes me a liberal I will live with that title.

I believe we have the finest armed forces any country in history has enjoyed. We, as a country, owe them better. Sending them into Iraq to take care of Saddam was like sending a team of Lipizzaner stallions to drag a broken down cart filled with rotten manure out of a filthy slum.

Using half-baked theories about what Saddam might have done had we not invaded is wrong. It is like using the comely nature of Ms. Lewinsky’s lips to explain the mistake that lead to impeachment hearings that proceeded the ones they are talking about for Mr. Bush. Although in that case we were talking about a ruined dress. In this one, a ruined country.

Of course this is from the weekly standard so i'm sure its all propaganda. But facts are facts.
Yep and in these new documents the only thing the facts demonstrate is that a person reported hearing some of this second or third hand from a single unconfirmed source.

Sort of like the info they foolishly relied upon from Curveball :doh:

On it's own it has little value other than it give conspiracy folks something else to write about. OH BUT WHAT IF!!!

More importantly, it adds nothing to the argument that Bush were justified to remove Saddam because of links to al Qaida as we do know for a fact that the Administration didn't have the intel to support it's claims to the link before the decision was made.

And Bob, I'm with you. Even though our troops have signed up for whatever mission they are sent on...they are still our brothers and sisters and should be treated with much more respect.

Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and all have pissed on our troops like they are their little toy army, and the likes of Skippy can't seem to get why some are so outraged :realmad:

-spence

T

I believe there is no greater example of the absolute inept nature of the Bush administration than talk of some sort of military option for dealing with Iran before figuring their way out of Iraq.


i think the exit plan for iraq is to march into iran.. time will tell.

i think it all went to Syrian banks
and for the favor....

they agreed to hide the WMD's

and Nebe, i think it's a great exit strategy. :wavey:

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda". As bad as he may be he is better than anything they have had to offer (according to the electoral process).

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda". As bad as he may be he is better than anything they have had to offer (according to the electoral process).

And I should add "misrepresented" facts (to put it nicely).

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda". As bad as he may be he is better than anything they have had to offer (according to the electoral process).

Hate to break it to you bub, but it is a trait we libs have.. its called independant thought. You should try it sometime.

Staying the course is dandy, but when the wind shifts, and the tide changes, the ship will surely run aground

Hate to break it to you bub, but it is a trait we libs have.. its called independant thought. You should try it sometime.

Staying the course is dandy, but when the wind shifts, and the tide changes, the ship will surely run aground

Okay Bub, But Thank God most of us have a higher level of independent thougt than you do. Bub.

since you support him, can you pay off my share of the $9 trillion he has rung up on our countries credit card?? please?

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda".
What pray tell narcotics are you on boy?

I didn't even know there was a "liberal platform" to be honest. Are the liberals running for something?

Certainly there are liberal ideals and the vast majority of self described Conservatives I know even admit to holding a few.

The attack on Bush isn't about the man, it's about the arrogant and incompetent policy. Always has been...and it's gotten so bad that even his own people are turning en masse.

A bag of rotten carrots could manage this country better than the current crew in the Oval Office. And you think they got there by accurately representing the facts and issues?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA :tooth: :doh: :beat: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf3: :rotf3:

-spence

I'm an independant :D



btw, nebe, I do believe there already was some national debt before W took office, so ya can't blame him for all 9 trillion dollars:doh:

since you support him, can you pay off my share of the $9 trillion he has rung up on our countries credit card?? please?

Supporting the President of our country during a war, shame on me. Are you talking about the 9 trillion $ that every "baby, homeless, poor, single moms/dads", are required to pay for the war on terror by those vile Republicans? Or was that one of those Liberal "untruths" when stated by a Republican is called a "Lie"?

Please note I haven't resorted resorted to calling anyone an "idiot" for disagreeing with my point of view.

What pray tell narcotics are you on boy?

I didn't even know there was a "liberal platform" to be honest. Are the liberals running for something?

Certainly there are liberal ideals and the vast majority of self described Conservatives I know even admit to holding a few.

The attack on Bush isn't about the man, it's about the arrogant and incompetent policy. Always has been...and it's gotten so bad that even his own people are turning en masse.

A bag of rotten carrots could manage this country better than the current crew in the Oval Office. And you think they got there by accurately representing the facts and issues?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA :tooth: :doh: :beat: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf3: :rotf3:

-spence

Well maybe if you had nominated a candidate that at least matched the standard of a rotten bag of carrots you could control the House and Senate and Whitehouse and advance the Liberal Agenda that you dont think exists. Want to change the country? Win an election. Whining is not an effective politcal strategy.

Supporting the President of our country during a war, shame on me. Are you talking about the 9 trillion $ that every "baby, homeless, poor, single moms/dads", are required to pay for the war on terror by those vile Republicans? Or was that one of those Liberal "untruths" when stated by a Republican is called a "Lie"?

Please note I haven't resorted resorted to calling anyone an "idiot" for disagreeing with my point of view.

I am sorry but this has been going on for the last 230yrs. and it goes like this rich white men tring to not pay there taxes and making the poor and middle class pay it all for them. or we would have health care and money to retire on they take take and then take some more. supporting anyone who is as arrogant as Bush is just wrong to me. and he smiles while he is sticking it in the behind of all of us. believe me if he could he would have us all pay for his war and we will be for years to come.

I am sorry but this has been going on for the last 230yrs. and it goes like this rich white men tring to not pay there taxes and making the poor and middle class pay it all for them. or we would have health care and money to retire on they take take and then take aome more. supporting anyone who is as arrogant as Bush is just wrong to me. and he smiles while he is sticking it in the behind of all of us. believe me if he could he would have us all pay for his war and we will be for years to come.


You do realize the rich pay most of the taxes in this country right? You have no clue what you are talking about. Sounds like you've been smoking to much dope at those war protests this weekend :smokin:

Are you aware that 80% of all Taxes paid in America are paid by the 20% of those in the highest income bracket in America?

very soon there will be no more middle class
then watch the rich tax loophole fatcats squirm when there are no more middleclass taxpayers left.

The rich are a minority and beleave me they get the most tax cuts, I know I don't get any and pay more per thousand then they do, so sorry skip maybe you should get your facts straight

The rich are a minority and beleave me they get the most tax cuts, I know I don't get any and pay more per thousand then they do, so sorry skip maybe you should get your facts straight

This is the fact. 80% of all income tax is paid by 20% of the population. That 20% are those "rich" people you apparently detest. Dont beleive it? Google it.

The rich are a minority and beleave me they get the most tax cuts, I know I don't get any and pay more per thousand then they do, so sorry skip maybe you should get your facts straight

ya know why they get more back in tax cuts than you and I? Because they make more freakin money than we do! Wow there's a shocker, the more you make the more you will get back. Who would have thought...

I don't detest anyone, I think we should all pay the same tax rate, it is a fact that we pay more of our weekly check than they do, if I have to pay over a third of my pay check then they should to. guess what they don't.

The rich are a minority and beleave me they get the most tax cuts, I know I don't get any and pay more per thousand then they do, so sorry skip maybe you should get your facts straight

You're so wrong its not even funny. Do some reasearch and get back to me

ya know why they get more back in tax cuts than you and I? Because they make more freakin money than we do! Wow there's a shocker, the more you make the more you will get back. Who would have thought...

Wow..........How Democratic. I guess the other alternative is to punish those who have succeded by making them pay a greater percentage of their earnings in income tax (which they already do). Kind of reminds me of..........whats that word....... 9 letters begins with a C and ends with an s........

Wow..........How Democratic. I guess the other alternative is to punish those who have succeded by making them pay a greater percentage of their earnings in income tax (which they already do). Kind of reminds me of..........whats that word....... 9 letters begins with a C and ends with an s........

Amen, the more succesful you are the more you get %$%$%$%$ed by paying insane tax rates. Well not according to TB anyway :doh:

Well maybe if you had nominated a candidate that at least matched the standard of a rotten bag of carrots you could control the House and Senate and Whitehouse and advance the Liberal Agenda that you dont think exists. Want to change the country? Win an election. Whining is not an effective politcal strategy.
Kerry's problem wasn't a lack of substance, it was an inability to counter all the slime being thrown from the GOP. I know many Conservative Bush voters who thought Kerry probably would have made a very competent President.

-spence

I am admitting I am wrong but if you think paying 2 % more than the middle class is getting F*cked then I want to make what you are making

I am admitting I am wrong but if you think paying 2 % more than the middle class is getting F*cked then I want to make what you are making


Its alot more than 2%.... But even if it was a 2% differance its still not fair! Why should americans be punished for being successful and making money? That's what happens, the more you make the more the govermetn takes from you. Its BS

Without a progressive tax system I don't think there would be a middle class...

-spence

I'm breaking my New Year's resolution and getting involved in a political/religious discussion.

You want to solve "class warfare"when it comes to income tax? Institute a flat tax rate.

10% of nothing is nothing.10% of a 1 million is a 1 hundredthousand.Everybody is on a level playing field and no one can point fingers.

Regardless of what you feel and/or believe if you argue against a flat tax rate you have an agenda.

I'm breaking my New Year's resolution and getting involved in a political/religious discussion.

You want to solve "class warfare"when it comes to income tax? Institute a flat tax rate.

10% of nothing is nothing.10% of a 1 million is a 1 hundredthousand.Everybody is on a level playing field and no one can point fingers.

Regardless of what you feel and/or believe if you argue against a flat tax rate you have an agenda.

Works for me. I've always like the idea of a flat tax. No matter how much or little you make you are taxed the same. Its fair and you dont get penalized for being succesful. Plus is will force the government to spend our money wisely. And yes that includes W :hee:

The reason so many people like the fixed tax rate is because they are all on the bottom of the toetem pole. If you all were making that 150-200 thousand per year,you'll like it just the way it is. I'm retired with a fixed income, and pay just like the rest.

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