I have been on this site religiously for the past 2 years and decided to give something back for the enjoyment of making my work day go by so fast daily....here's something that totally blew my mind http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=Loose+Change

sorry...but its about an hour and a half long...so watch when available :err:

A real eyebrow raiser!:eyes:

Only skipped through and watched a bit. But it sounds like the idea behind this is that the US goverment was behind 9/11? Anyone who believes that should be sent to the nut house asap. Thats just flat out dissgracful and pathetic. I'd personally knock the teeth out of anyone who says the US was behind 9/11 and wanted to murder 3000 americans. Some people are just %$%$%$%$ed up i guess in the way they think

I've seen bits and peices of this before, it's rather interesting, but i'm not taking sides..I'm stopping at No Comment.

sounds like whoever made this is accusing the government of lying to us and covering things up. They want us to ask questions:hs:
I'm taking the same road as Katie

I'm taking sides. If you believe this you're an idiot! It's that simple. To sit back and say the US government killed 3000 Americans because they wanted to is shameful. You guys can believe all the nutty theries you want but in the proccess you make yourselves look like a bunch of morons. Hope ya like the nut house!

sounds like whoever made this is accusing the government of lying to us and covering things up. They want us to ask questions:hs:
I'm taking the same road as Katie

It's more than just accusing the Gov of maybe having some tips before 9/11 and didnt put the pieces together. I think the documentary is saying the US Gov carried out the attacks and not Al Queada...That's pitiful to make statements like that. And it pisses me off. Those wackos probably deny the Holocaust too....Just a bunch of idiots.

Charlie Sheen stirring up the pot......

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm

I haven't watched it and don't see the time coming anytime soon BUT for once I agree with Skip in that I just cannot see the US Government doing 9/11. The internal fights that would happen from those in the know would get the word out.

This isn't 24 or XFiles, Romper Room maybe, but not a conspiracy like this. Skip - if I say something that you don't like and you say your going to knock out my teeth, I expect you to carry out your intention :tooth:

It's more than just accusing the Gov of maybe having some tips before 9/11 and didnt put the pieces together. I think the documentary is saying the US Gov carried out the attacks and not Al Queada...That's pitiful to make statements like that. And it pisses me off. Those wackos probably deny the Holocaust too....Just a bunch of idiots.

in that case, I think they have rocks in there head too.
that would be a very far reach, they'd need more than a mountain of evidence. We live a a whacked out world today:whackin:

I'm not going to waste an hour and a half watching all of that.
Charlie Sheen must be an idiot too then

"Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it."

highly credible public figure?!

:laugha:

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This isn't 24 or XFiles, Romper Room maybe, but not a conspiracy like this. Skip - if I say something that you don't like and you say your going to knock out my teeth, I expect you to carry out your intention :tooth:

Nah, we disagree on alot but thats just good honest debate. When people flat out lie and say the Gov carried out 9/11 i get enraged, those people should have thier teeth knocked out by all of us! Charlie Sheen is just a nut, I heard the sound bites on the radio the other day. All i can say is wow, that guy is a nut and should get a beat down! Its one thing to dislike the Bush abministration but its another to basiclly accuse them of carrying out 9/11 and murdering 3000 americans. But what do you expect from Hollywood

"Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it."

highly credible public figure?!

:laugha:

I love when the Hollywood folks talk politics. It's so freakin entertaining!!! Must be something in the water out there :rotfl:

"Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it."

highly credible public figure?!

:laugha:

i'm just saying, charlie should take a hike, it's all for publicity:read: do celebs have to get into everything these days?

For once I am going to side with Skip on this, it is just insane

I didnt watch it, but how can you explain a 12 foot wide hole in the walls of the pentagon going in through 4 levels, and have no wreckage outside the walls except for a small jet turbine that wouldnt even power a private jet????

makes you wonder :chatter

other than that, i have no comment.

so if ya wanna "try"...and smack me i'll knock you out....no problem..:doh: i didnt watch (look at) that link.... btw...

i used to work in quarries blasting rock and the whole trick is...in controlling the shot (blowing up rock) is to have all the explosives
on a precisely timed sequence ok...

and one of my interests after that job....is merely watching how they implode buildings..... in the same fashion .....on Television...

now despite all the hooplah about conspiracy theories ,bank heists
minutes before the jet hit , tranfers of funds over seas ect...

if you just forget about all that...and look at the films of the two towers goin down...ok... in one video it does look like a controlled sequence of explosives going off (ripple effect)...as the building crumbles.

that could just be coincidense too, as the official report said the jet fuel weaked the metal and caused that to happen....similar to
a karate chop breakin a stack of bricks as the weight of the upper bricks helps to break the bottom brick.

but when you watch it several times it "could" lead you to that conclusion because it "looks like"........ a controlled implosion.:read:

And we're underway.

:lurk:

There's always one......

no wreckage outside the walls except for a small jet turbine that wouldnt even power a private jet????

makes you wonder :chatter

other than that, i have no comment.

Most passenger jets have a small jet fuel burning engine in the rear, whose purpose is to heat the cargo compartment. It's called the "dead dog" engine, because if the flight crew forgets to turn it on, any dog riding in the cargo hold is deader than Elvis. Because it gets damn cold at 35,000 feet :eek5:

If you look at a Boeing on the ground, you'll see a heat plume coming out of an arpeture in the tail ;)

If you look at the video of the United 767 hitting the south WTC tower, the #1 engine (the one on the left wing) went all the way through the building and traveled another few hundred yards after impact. The wings of a plane are basically thin aluminum. When they hit solid stone going at 600-700 feet per second, not much of them survives as recognizeable wreckage. Pulverized would be an apt description. The fuselage, on the other hand, is built like a brick crapper and would normally make a hole 12' or so around and penetrate several levels into a buidling. As far as I've seen, there was only one video of the plane hitting the north WTC, and it was taken from north of the building. It only shows the plane going in. It doesn't show what came out of the other side. However, when you look at the shots taken of the plane hitting the south tower, you can see all kinds of bits and pieces of the plane coming out seconds later. Including one of the two engines. I've been told the #1 engine landed somewhere around Chambers St., many blocks to the north.

whatever happened...... it sucked.

May we never forget that day :(

....it's all about the benjy's.Theroies are made to be proven or disproved with facts, I watched these facts, where are yours?

Let me tell you that it was and still is etched in my mind I will never forget it, I was lucky and didn't lose anyone. but if it happened a month earlier I would have lost my wife, she was on the same flight same crew as the first plane. it bothers me to this day. this will never go away and these people that try to find fault with government conspiracy are just paranoid a$$holes

First cousin,retired Marine pilot.
First civilian job was part of a flight crew for American Airlines Boston to LA.
I found out about 6:00PM (after many phone calls) on Sept 11th that his flight landed safely in LA on Sept 10th.
Same flight. Same route. Same airline. 24 hours off.
Old, close friend of mine had to seek new employment when most of her company ceased to exist on Sept 11.

I'll never forget.

*edited*

i'm just saying, charlie should take a hike, it's all for publicity:read: do celebs have to get into everything these days?

Sadly Katie its not for publicity....he accually beleives it wich is really mind boggling

As grave as it might seem, and as embarassing, I would not rule out the possibility of an "inside job" at this point in time. I don't know what happened on Sept 11, other than the fact that many innocent people died. I'm not belittling the losses this country suffered by any means. I don't deny the Holocaust, but Hitler was the "president" of Germany. Show me the proof. Why does our Government not make public all the Information? Certain people had alot to gain. I truly hope that it was Osama, but I will not rule out other suspects untill the truth is proven. The language is really not called for.

As grave as it might seem, and as embarassing, I would not rule out the possibility of an "inside job" at this point in time. I don't know what happened on Sept 11, other than the fact that many innocent people died. I'm not belittling the losses this country suffered by any means. I don't deny the Holocaust, but Hitler was the "president" of Germany. Show me the proof. Why does our Government not make public all the Information? Certain people had alot to gain. I truly hope that it was Osama, but I will not rule out other suspects untill the truth is proven. The language is really not called for.

Just keep talking, you have no idea how dumb you sound. But keep talking, your comments ammuse me. I love hearing how the extreme left thinks so keep talking! Your really embarasing yourself but if thats ok with you then keep yapping away dude....if you want to believe that W murdered 3000 americans its your right i guess. But just know that what you say stirrs up alot of emotion and rage in people, especially blaming W for killing 3000 Americans. Shameful just shameful :doh:

Skippy, it's someone's opinion...to be honest there are plenty of wierd things about 9/11 that could easily lead someone to see a conspiracy if they have a distrust of government to begin with.

But personally I don't think the Bush Administration has the skill to pull off a job like that without screwing it up!

While I don't believe 9/11 was a neocon plot to justify militarized global transformation, I wouldn't put it past some of them. Just like the radicals we're fighting against they see themselves as agents in a prophecy.

What really scares me is that the fundamentalists on both sides are so consumed with a battle royal for all the marbles they just might make it happen when it doesn't have to be.

-spence

Sure it's his opinion. But i think 95% of Americans share my opinion that what this guy is saying is idiotic! I dont think most Americans feel W came up with a plan to murder of 3000 Americans like this guy is suggesting. It just freakin insane thinking. Seabass is making Nebe look conservative :conf:

Since when does believing in a conspiracy make you a liberal?

-spence

Since when does believing in a conspiracy make you a liberal?

-spence

It's mostly the extreme left that hold these types of 9/11 views. I'm talking way to left of the moveon.org crowd! Granted its a VERY small minority who think this way but yes these people would fall into the liberal catagory politically. Do most liberals think about 9/11 this way? of course not. Even i would'nt say that.

tried to watch it all... maybe later

Are they saying that some of the planes didn`t crash into buildings? If so where are the citizens who were on these planes... I know relatively closely some who perished or family and friends.

my oh my.... I`m getting a headache :gf:

Help! The paranoids are after me.

tried to watch it all... maybe later

Are they saying that some of the planes didn`t crash into buildings? If so where are the citizens who were on these planes... I know relatively closely some who perished or family and friends.

my oh my.... I`m getting a headache :gf:

Oh but i'm sure Seabass has a good answer for that question. He prob thinks Bush hired those Al Queda guys to carry out W's murderous mission...:doh:

I have finally seen the light. Please come over for dinner tonight and bring some extra ammo. After some sheperds pie and buds we`ll go out and shoot some leftys. :liquify: :liquify: :liquify: :liquify:


Feels good,
Spence



hope this is funny and does`nt upset either of you :wavey:

It's mostly the extreme left that hold these types of 9/11 views. I'm talking way to left of the moveon.org crowd! Granted its a VERY small minority who think this way but yes these people would fall into the liberal catagory politically. Do most liberals think about 9/11 this way? of course not. Even i would'nt say that.
Skippy, wrong...it's the anti-government folks who champion this stuff. It has nothing to do with liberalisim...you're just listening to too much talk radio.

Indanite, I have a great sense of humor. That being said you had better be watching your back, one wrong step and I'll issue a fashion citation on the spot. :hee:

-spence

I have finally seen the light. Please come over for dinner tonight and bring some extra ammo. After some sheperds pie and buds we`ll go out and shoot some leftys. :liquify: :liquify: :liquify: :liquify:


Feels good,
Spence



hope this is funny and does`nt upset either of you :wavey:


Nah, the only ammo i need to defeat the left is facts that prove them wrong :rtfm:

Nah, the only ammo i need to defeat the left is facts that prove them wrong :rtfm:
Please let us know when you find some.

-spence

Please let us know when you find some.

-spence

They're in the mail, you'll get 'em soon :grins:

You two guys make my visit to this site :love:

Spence were you or are you a chef...or did you have training in the field?
What do you do for a living or are you a trust funder?

Skip...what do you do for a living?

no answers are acceptable :usd:

Spence were you or are you a chef...or did you have training in the field?
What do you do for a living or are you a trust funder?
Trust funder...nice :hihi: No...I'm an enterprise software business consultant.

I'm also a very serious home cook. What this means is that I can give you the meal of your life, but only for about 6-8 people at a time and with no cost or time pressure :hee:
Skip...what do you do for a living?
I think Skip's a professional redneck :rtfm:

-spence

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see...................But never stop looking and listening!!

Since when does believing in a conspiracy make you a liberal?

-spence


The Same logic that states that if you're President then you must be intelligent.....you can see where this is going :rollem:

After a good nights sleep, and a visit from two men from Langly, I agree with Skip, what ever the government reports is the correct news.Politicians never lie, especialy not Republicans. Thanks for helping me see the light...............this kool aid really tastes great.

the same goverment that sterilized thousands of poor black women in mississippi a few decades ago so they wouldnt reproduce anymore... the same goverment who allowed drugs to be smuggled through our borders, the same goverment who lied about its ship being fires upon first to start the vietnam war.... etc. etc.

no lies here... nope. carry on.

the Government doesnt lie.....



thats a myth.....

there is NO "Area 51...."
pfffffffff
it's all in your imagination.....:jump:

there's no ufo's .....those are weather baloons you dummy...
oh wait....no,....it was the planet venus
you just "thought".... it was moving....

After a good nights sleep, and a visit from two men from Langly, I agree with Skip, what ever the government reports is the correct news.Politicians never lie, especialy not Republicans. Thanks for helping me see the light...............this kool aid really tastes great.

WTF are you talking about? Will you go on record and state that Bush ordered the attacks on 9/11 and they have been lying about it ever since? You are so dodging the issue we'ver been talking about in this thread by making a general statement how polititions have never lied in the past. Lets stick to the 9/11 issue Seabass....Do you believe the President Bush ordered the attacks to murder 3000 Americans on 9/11 and has been lying about it ever since??

the same goverment that sterilized thousands of poor black women in mississippi a few decades ago so they wouldnt reproduce anymore... the same goverment who allowed drugs to be smuggled through our borders, the same goverment who lied about its ship being fires upon first to start the vietnam war.... etc. etc.

no lies here... nope. carry on.

you too Nebe, Just like Seabass you are dodging the issue in this thread. Will you also go on record and say that Bush planned and ordered 9/11 like seasbass believes? And he's been lying about it ever since?

I definately would not say he ordered it, but i would say that he may have known it was going to happen. If not him, definately someone close to him. Remember, it is rumored that we knew about pearl harbor, and let it happen so we could enter WWII and apease the isolationists here at home.

I really dont care if they knew about 9/11 or not.. its old news. the reality NOW is that the current administration is doing a HORRIBLE job.



30 grand per person to get out of his debt.....End of story. :hs:

I definately would not say he ordered it, but i would say that he may have known it was going to happen. If not him, definately someone close to him. Remember, it is rumored that we knew about pearl harbor, and let it happen so we could enter WWII and apease the isolationists here at home.

I really dont care if they knew about 9/11 or not.. its old news. the reality NOW is that the current administration is doing a HORRIBLE job.



30 grand per person to get out of his debt.....End of story. :hs:

Yeah and so did the last one and the one before that so on and so on. The reality is we have about the highest standard of living in the history of mankind. Appreciate it. You think this the first time our country has operated in deficit mode? Tell us exactly how your quality of life is effected by this 30k debt you have assumed ownership of. Has it changed your living standards from the time when you didnt owe the $30k? Tell us about the freedom you had six years ago and dont have now. Those dirty Republicans are stealing your civil rights aren't they?

do you have credit cards???? ever max them out?? there will come a time when we will have to pay for this spendign spree our goverment has gone on. That will mean higher taxes at some point.

Let's hear back from the OP.Or is like a typical arsonist.Light the fire and then watch it burn :doh:

I think the word is "troll"

Didn't have time to watch all the 'stuff' I stopped when the commentator said 'In 1945 a B-52 crashed into the Empire State Building'. B52 went operational in 1954. Guess that part was a working model?
Sarge

Ah, yes, the old "east wind, rain" smoking gun that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor.

It doesn't fly because it rests on faulty assumptions. One, that FDR knew more about how the war would play out than his top admirals, and knew that aircraft carriers would be the strategic key to victory, and not battleships. That's why he ordered the carriers to sea but kept the battlewagons in port as sacrificial lambs, according to the conspiracy theorists. Except that King, and even Yamamoto who ordered the attack, still believed in the supremacy of the battleship.

Two, that he knew that Pearl was THE objective of the attack, and that the japanese had the ability to pull it off. They knew the Japanese were up to something, but went with the natural assumption that it would come in the Philippines.

Most importantly, what FDR really wanted was an excuse to get into it with Germany in Europe. Even in the days following Pearl, there was very little support for getting into it with the Nazis in the US. Then, Hitler did the unthinkable by actually honoring a treaty, and declaring war on us after we declared war on Japan. You'd have to believe that FDR knew ahead of time that Hitler was going to honor the only treaty he ever did--against the advice of most of his top commanders, by the way.

Ah, yes, the old "east wind, rain" smoking gun that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor.

It doesn't fly because it rests on faulty assumptions. One, that FDR knew more about how the war would play out than his top admirals, and knew that aircraft carriers would be the strategic key to victory, and not battleships. That's why he ordered the carriers to sea but kept the battlewagons in port as sacrificial lambs, according to the conspiracy theorists. Except that King, and even Yamamoto who ordered the attack, still believed in the supremacy of the battleship.

Two, that he knew that Pearl was THE objective of the attack, and that the japanese had the ability to pull it off. They knew the Japanese were up to something, but went with the natural assumption that it would come in the Philippines.

Most importantly, what FDR really wanted was an excuse to get into it with Germany in Europe. Even in the days following Pearl, there was very little support for getting into it with the Nazis in the US. Then, Hitler did the unthinkable by actually honoring a treaty, and declaring war on us after we declared war on Japan. You'd have to believe that FDR knew ahead of time that Hitler was going to honor the only treaty he ever did--against the advice of most of his top commanders, by the way.


My grand-father-in-law was secretary of war Under FDR. Trust me on this...... They knew.

their ticket to ride.....



but i sense a JEDI mind trick :p

I can't wait for the fish to show up!!!!!!!Anyone?!!?

My grand-father-in-law was secretary of war Under FDR. Trust me on this...... They knew.
George Dern?

-spence

harry woodring.. Also former govenor of kansas. He was fdr's right hand man when he was elected pres, and when the war broke out in europe, they did not see eye to eye about going to war if we were not attacked. ( he was anisolationist) FDR replaced him before pearl harbor, but they were still very close for many many years.

I can't wait for the fish to show up!!!!!!!Anyone?!!?

Can't get here quick enough.

That conspiracy theory is whacked. :fishslap:
If the conservatives were behind 9/11 why didn't they crash the planes in the co-ops on the Upper West Side? That's where all the big donor libs come from.:gf:

If they had taken out the 92nd St YMCA, they could have wiped out most of the next generation of the liberal elite in the pre-school. Or gone up to mid-town and taken out the NYT offices. If I remember it was a Tuesday, they could have gotten Maureen Dowd, easy.:kewl:

I mean really, crashing through the offices of Merrill Lynch and Cantor Fitzgerald? Hello? They were bond traders. They were up there in the that top 5% of income and actually benefiting from the policies of the administration. You think they'd choose to wipe out card-carrying members of their base for cripes sake! ;)

Skip, not trying to dodge anything, and no I wont go on any record saying President Bush ordered the attacks on Sept. 11. I don't Know who did.I'm mearly DEBATING the issue that they could have come from other sources then what our government would have us believe. I found the link (and theory) to be interesting, being open minded as I am. I'm as patriotic as anyone, just not shallow minded and easily manipulated.I can respect some peoples anger on this subject, the country needs closure, and the government realizes this.I will continue to absorb information and arrive at conclusions that fit the facts. On the other hand, I feel as if you believe everything that Pres. Bush says is Gospel. I think you are being a bit nieve. There are billions of dollars being made over this that the American tax payer is footing the bill for while some associative pockets are being filled.

Skip, not trying to dodge anything, and no I wont go on any record saying President Bush ordered the attacks on Sept. 11. I don't Know who did.I'm mearly DEBATING the issue that they could have come from other sources then what our government would have us believe. I found the link (and theory) to be interesting, being open minded as I am. I'm as patriotic as anyone, just not shallow minded and easily manipulated.I can respect some peoples anger on this subject, the country needs closure, and the government realizes this.I will continue to absorb information and arrive at conclusions that fit the facts. On the other hand, I feel as if you believe everything that Pres. Bush says is Gospel. I think you are being a bit nieve. There are billions of dollars being made over this that the American tax payer is footing the bill for while some associative pockets are being filled.

BINGO.. great answer. :gu:

wow...sorry to create such a heated debate over this. I was merely trying to share something that I thought was interesting and mind numbing. I have lost a friend (almost 4 but the other 3 decided to stay out late and got to work late) along with a job because of the whole debacle. I'm not trying to pursuade anyone nor am I anti-government, I just thought the story contained some interesting facts. damn....when's the fish arriving???:smash:

With all the REAL issues in the world to concern oneself with this one is just a waste of time.