if you catch a bass under 20 lbs and lip it to unhook it, is it going to die??

No

eventually

woops i botched my post. i tried to do a poll-

1yes
2 no
3 maybe.

I dont think a lighter fish is going to have problems from being lipped. I winch in my fish, i dont play them out until they are exhausted- thats the real fish killer IMO...

I see the argument for a 50 lber being lipped, but a schoolie??? come on..

I totally agree

espound on what lipping is. or could be.

Dont cry eben. I was just bustin your stones :cheers:

eventually:rotfl:

I'd say no.

The top lip should be safer given the anatomy of the bass that is to say the is more mass in this area and it is closer to the spine to distribute the weight.

I know this is probably the worst thing you can do but when i used to gill-net, we handled cod, pollock and haddock with your middle finger in their eye and your thumb under their jaw. I still grab blues in the eyes and if I know I'm bringing some striped dinner on board, i always go for the eyes. Its just such a nice easy way to throw them around. I do catch myself doing it on occasion with other stripers though I try to remember not too.

Does the eye burst or move to the side or do you grap the eye bone socket ?

espound on what lipping is. or could be.

lipping is when you lift a fish out of the water by its lower lip.



Throwing Timber, this post is because of what you said, but it goes beyond that. I have heard the critics say that this is harmfull for fish of all sizes for a long time now and i think its junk science.

I know this is probably the worst thing you can do but when i used to gill-net, we handled cod, pollock and haddock with your middle finger in their eye and your thumb under their jaw. I still grab blues in the eyes and if I know I'm bringing some striped dinner on board, i always go for the eyes. Its just such a nice easy way to throw them around. I do catch myself doing it on occasion with other stripers though I try to remember not too.

:huh: That is friggin' gross...:sick:

Is it really necessary?

By the way Eben, I agree with you that I doubt average sized fish are going to die by being lipped for a few seconds out of the water.

Sometimes i realease my bass like a shot-put. Two thumbs in the mouth, and i do a 720.. arms extended whirling the fish around me.. Then I release both thumbs at the same time and i can get that little schoolie right back to where i picked him up on my plug.. 30 yards or so off the rocks.. The giant slap the fish makes must call in other fish, cause the action can be non-stop :hihi:

If you lip it holding the top lip will it still die?

i used to gill-net, we handled cod, pollock and haddock with your middle finger in their eye and your thumb under their jaw.

:poke:


What do they say is damaging, the weight of the organs or somehow breaking/dislocating the jaw?

Is it considered better or worse to grab them under the gill plate?

I lip the fish, and support the bigger ones by the belly - holding them horizontally

I know this is probably the worst thing you can do but when i used to gill-net, we handled cod, pollock and haddock with your middle finger in their eye and your thumb under their jaw. I still grab blues in the eyes and if I know I'm bringing some striped dinner on board, i always go for the eyes. Its just such a nice easy way to throw them around. I do catch myself doing it on occasion with other stripers though I try to remember not too.

Ok this is just wrong, I have seen it done and don't like it

Fishing is a blood sport.

We're hurting fish when we catch them. A lot die from just from being caught - we're not sure how many, but the better fishermen we are, the more fish we hurt. We know this, yet we do it anyway.

You have to wrap your mind around the fact that you are doing this because somewhere in the part of your makeup that you might not talk about, you get a thrill from hunting and killing.

I'm sure it's extremely relative.

-spence

Fishing is a blood sport.

We're hurting fish when we catch them. A lot die from just from being caught - we're not sure how many, but the better fishermen we are, the more fish we hurt. We know this, yet we do it anyway.

You have to wrap your mind around the fact that you are doing this because somewhere in the part of your makeup that you might not talk about, you get a thrill from hunting and killing.

I used to do bad things to pets when I was a kid.I never really thought about it.Thanks Joe, U brought out a piece of my dark past.I think I'm cured. :tm: Now i can move on with my life.Like the crybaby in Prince of Tides..
Hope i can still release em into the fryin pan.My favorite technique for this is thumb an fore finger.

Sometimes i realease my bass like a shot-put. Two thumbs in the mouth, and i do a 720.. arms extended whirling the fish around me.. Then I release both thumbs at the same time and i can get that little schoolie right back to where i picked him up on my plug.. 30 yards or so off the rocks.. The giant slap the fish makes must call in other fish, cause the action can be non-stop :hihi:

:D This gave me a nice early morning chuckle. I can picture the "tornado" release.

The sad part is Nebe, I have seen a few people actually invoke this release method thinking it is ok....:whackin:

Sometimes i realease my bass like a shot-put. Two thumbs in the mouth, and i do a 720.. arms extended whirling the fish around me.. Then I release both thumbs at the same time and i can get that little schoolie right back to where i picked him up on my plug.. 30 yards or so off the rocks.. The giant slap the fish makes must call in other fish, cause the action can be non-stop :hihi:


I find it helps to puncture them in the gut to release air making them more aerodynamic as well for a longer toss :rollem:

* do not do this please

Sometimes i realease my bass like a shot-put. Two thumbs in the mouth, and i do a 720.. arms extended whirling the fish around me.. Then I release both thumbs at the same time and i can get that little schoolie right back to where i picked him up on my plug.. 30 yards or so off the rocks.. The giant slap the fish makes must call in other fish, cause the action can be non-stop :hihi:

I disagree. When I threw the shot-put in college I preferred the traditional slide step throwing motion versus the spin-move. It'll get you more power & distance. Try it, you'll get those fish out past the breakers. :kewl:

:hihi:

:rotfl:

GIT IN MAH BELLY

My guess would be that it is all dependent on how long you actually hold the fih vertical. Quick lip grab, quick unhook and fast release must do less damage than hanging him by the lip while your buddy sets up the camera and takes a shot.

I'd say probably not, but at 20 pounds its kind of marginal. Why not just leave it in the water and take out the hook? Then you know you haven't done any damage.

Take them home and eat them.Then their power from the quickening goes into you .There can be only one.

Fishing is a blood sport.

We're hurting fish when we catch them. A lot die from just from being caught - we're not sure how many, but the better fishermen we are, the more fish we hurt. We know this, yet we do it anyway.

You have to wrap your mind around the fact that you are doing this because somewhere in the part of your makeup that you might not talk about, you get a thrill from hunting and killing.


good point Joe, I agree, there is a primal human urge to hunt and kill, that is life, and we as sportsman embrace it fully. It is similar to the urge to procreate ;). Sure, we do the best we can to not deplete the species, and I think we are doing that, but if we all truly cared about not hurting these things, we would not be fisherman.

Fishing is a blood sport.

We're hurting fish when we catch them. A lot die from just from being caught - we're not sure how many, but the better fishermen we are, the more fish we hurt. We know this, yet we do it anyway.

You have to wrap your mind around the fact that you are doing this because somewhere in the part of your makeup that you might not talk about, you get a thrill from hunting and killing.


http://www.stripermoon.com/archive/arc15.html

Just read a mag article where they caught the fish with hook and line and then placed them in cages in the water. Most of the fish survived for days untill they released them. I will try and find it when I get home. It might have been SWS, anyone else read it.

Eben, I prefer the javelin that way they get a rush of oxygen when they hit the water.

I don't know if I ever want to piss off any of you guys who can lip a 50 :bl:

I've also caught fish that had deformed jaws. They survived whatever deformed them and obviously were still able to feed.

about lipping is what happens as a result of it. Dislocation, etc.

That was a good article about hunting fish. We ARE hunting, no doubt. I do not hunt land dwellers, though. I just don't have the urge to. Bambi is just too cute for me to kill. I'd rather feed a deer than eat it. I don't have anything against it, though. Just not my cup of tea. BTW- I lip any fish I can. I was under the impression that this is the best (most harmless) way to handle them... Haven't caught a 50# though.....(yet)

Probably Not (from handling)

I used to do bad things to pets when I was a kid.I never really thought about it.Thanks Joe, U brought out a piece of my dark past.I think I'm cured.

Jeffrey Dahmer comes to mind .. :conf:

I can't wait to try the shot-put release, I think we should have a contest, the following catagories could apply:

1 Farthest schoolie put

2 biggest cow-splash

3tightest spin on a bluefish

4 modified hammer toss with dogfish

this is gonna be a fun year!!!!

My hands work like crap these days, so its a Net for everything. Then release.

I can't wait to try the shot-put release, I think we should have a contest, the following catagories could apply:

1 Farthest schoolie put

2 biggest cow-splash

3tightest spin on a bluefish

4 modified hammer toss with dogfish

this is gonna be a fun year!!!!

Never had much respect for anyone I've seen mis-handling the resource . I see the schoolies as the future . My kids fish .. this all may just be a joke but I don't get it.. and never will .