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Skitterpop
05-09-2006, 12:47 PM
On the poor environment which is essentially us and everything The current administration with all its deep rooted connections to the energy/fuel fields is putting a royal hurting on this planet.

NOTE: Skip N is not allowed to bring up party affiliations per order of sanity.
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China, Cuba reported in Gulf oil partnership
U.S. firms stand by, prohibited from bidding on contracts; lawmakers propose opening up U.S. coast for drilling.
May 9, 2006: 10:12 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Plans for foreign oil companies, some from India and China, to drill off the cost of Cuba are prompting calls from lawmakers to ease environmental restrictions that prohibit coastal drilling in most of the U.S., according to a report Tuesday.
At a time of rising soaring gasoline prices caused partly by a lack of supply, legislators are fuming that Cuba is opening up its continental shelf for oil and gas exploration while most of the U.S. continental shelf outside the Gulf of Mexico, which extends 200 miles from shore, has been off limits for drilling since the early 1980s, the New York Times reported.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/cuba_oil.gifFirms from China and India will be drilling for oil off the coast of Cuba, but U.S. companies are prohibited from bidding on the contracts, according to a recent report.http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/oil_guzzling_nations.gifAdding insult to injury, the Times said U.S. firms were invited to bid on the Cuban contracts, but were barred by the U.S. government due to the country's longstanding economic embargo of communist Cuba.
"Red China should not be left to drill for oil within spitting distance of our shores without competition from U.S. industries," Sen. Larry Craig, Republican of Idaho, told the Times.
Firms from Canada and Spain will also drill off the Cuban coast, the article said
Craig is introducing a bill to exempt U.S. oil firms from the embargo, much as food and drug firms are, according to the article.
There are also several bills moving through Congress aimed at opening up areas more areas of the U.S. to oil and gas exploration, including coastal waters and Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Supporters of the bills, including the oil industry, say it would help bring down oil and gas prices and decrease the country's reliance on oil imports from the volatile Middle East.
Gasoline prices have soared 33 percent over the last year, while the price of crude oil has tripled since 2002.
But critics of more drilling say the energy obtained, which they say would be minimal and wouldn't bring down prices that much, isn't worth the environmental risks. They also say more drilling for a finite resource does nothing to promote long term conservation solutions.
Most coastal states also oppose offshore drilling, fearing unsightly rigs and oil spills will hurt their tourism industries.
The United States Geological Survey estimates the Cuban deal involves 4.6 billion barrels of oil and 9.8 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, according to the Times. The paper said that's enough oil and gas to power the U.S. for a few months.
The paper also cited an Interior Department study that said the U.S. continental shelf contained 115 billion barrels of oil and 633 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That would be enough oil to satisfy U.S. demand, at current consumption levels, for 16 years and enough natural gas for 25 years, according to the Times.
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spence
05-09-2006, 01:00 PM
Another knock on the absurd Cuba policy this country has embraced for all these years :wall:

And before anyone starts bashing environmentalists for the oil restrictions in the Gulf...they were passed under a GOP controlled Senate under Reagan and made stronger under Bush 41! Clinton extended the restrictions...

-spence

ScottC
05-09-2006, 01:10 PM
Another knock on the absurd Cuba policy this country has embraced for all these years :wall:

And before anyone starts bashing environmentalists for the oil restrictions in the Gulf...they were passed under a GOP controlled Senate under Reagan and made stronger under Bush 41! Clinton extended the restrictions...

-spence


Yup, we need to do somthing or we will be the only country in the world NOT drilling.

spence
05-09-2006, 01:17 PM
Good point, the USA doesn't do any actual drilling :hee:

Problem is, a lot of the independent oil companies don't want to invest in exploration, they're using profits for stock buy backs and dividends instead.

The Government controlled producers are where the action is these days, but they are less efficient and more political.

That's the situation in a nutshell...the free market forces are being driven by geo-political influence.

Allowing free market producers access to ANWR or the Gulf of Mexico isn't going to change the equation of the Global Market, unless you want to Federalize the oil exploration.

-spence

Pete_G
05-09-2006, 05:01 PM
Yup, we need to do somthing or we will be the only country in the world NOT drilling.


Unfortunately we really don't have enough oil in our country to really put a dent in our consumption. Best case numbers show that.

ANWR is relative drop in the bucket. Most estimates say at the very best it would be 5 cents or so a gallon at the pump and on top of that feeling the effects of it would be years away.

I'm on the ethanol bandwagon currently... :hee: Long term indepenence from the Middle East needs to come from within this country but it won't be from dino juice.

ScottC
05-09-2006, 07:59 PM
Good point, the USA doesn't do any actual drilling :hee:

Problem is, a lot of the independent oil companies don't want to invest in exploration, they're using profits for stock buy backs and dividends instead.

The Government controlled producers are where the action is these days, but they are less efficient and more political.

That's the situation in a nutshell...the free market forces are being driven by geo-political influence.

Allowing free market producers access to ANWR or the Gulf of Mexico isn't going to change the equation of the Global Market, unless you want to Federalize the oil exploration.

-spence


Couldn't agree more. We need to form an energy specific panel of elected officials that we can put under a magnifying glass. This way it is thier ass on the line if we do not see improvments.

Skitterpop
05-09-2006, 09:11 PM
We are in a crisis situation and have been. Wish we could appropriate 1/2 the billions in profits from BIG OIL and get some feasible viable safe alternative fuel/energy sources active in our day to day systems....NOW.

Pete_G
05-09-2006, 09:48 PM
We are in a crisis situation and have been. Wish we could appropriate 1/2 the billions in profits from BIG OIL and get some feasible viable safe alternative fuel/energy sources active in our day to day systems....NOW.

There was a great piece about Brazil and ethanol on Dateline. This past Sunday I think. Not sure if anyone caught it or not.

An impressive % of the fuel they use these days is ethanol. But the change has been decades in the making, taking place while we debate tapping the somewhat pointless ANWR...

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6817

Saltheart
05-10-2006, 01:58 PM
Someday , do to nescessity , we will be forced to develope alternate sources of energy. We can do that before or after we wreck the environment.

So someday we have a new source of energy and a dirty planet , or we have a new source of energy and a clean planet.

Only the short sited would choose to wreck the planet first and then get the alternate energy sources on line.

reelecstasy
05-10-2006, 02:03 PM
Got corn?

Raven
05-10-2006, 03:46 PM
i personally don't want it being done by a foriegn country

like china...right off our coastline.

just imagine what they'd do to the coast of florida.

we'd loose billions in tourism dollars ...and then we'd have to

put up with the clean-up efforts being done by people who'd

love to jump ship and become an instant american just by reaching

our shoreline while defecting from their own communistic country.

it's a loose- loose situation either way.:read: