i fished the cc canal this past holiday weekend... good fishin lots an lots of plugers on bikes,up n down the canal chasen braken fish.. and i,m one.:uhuh: ..my friend was fishin 1 spot when the bass started braken in front of him :jump1 from over head the bike guy started castin on the fish in front of my bud,,he did not know the guy so said nothing..but wasnt too happy ..:wall: i told him that in the past if you were on a bike and you know the guy ,let him take the first cast then you may follow:soon: after: ,as long as u dont mess up his retrieve w/ yours ...if u dont know the guy ,,move down tide at lease 50 ft and then cast ....be gentleman w/ class ...an not a monkey w/ a high tec rod n reel... whats your opinion???? :jump:

NOBODY has any business casting from behind you no matter what.
I would cut the guys line and hand over hand it and keep the plug.
good way to hurt someone.:devil:

So let me see if I understand this--after I walk to my spot, and risk my neck climbing down the rocks to the waterline near low tide, lugging my rod and plug bag, and then am fortunate enough to have fish break right in front of me, I'm supposed to hold up my cast to allow someone standing on the road to let fly at the fish?

Uh, huh :doh:

Now, after I move 50', if the guy on the road doesn't hook up, and they break right in front of me, do I have to hold up again and move another 50'? :wall:

Dave, I hope yer just stirring the pot a little here :humpty:

Absolutely uncalled for. This happened to my brother and I last year at Murderer's Row. Three bikers showed up and started casting right over me from the road. I don't have much patience for that kind of sh_t and I let them know it. They proceeded to ask me what I was going to do about it. My brother was about 30-50' feet away and came over and asked if there was a problem. Only took a few seconds for them to realize we weren't going to tolerate that kind of intrusion (if they had asked, maybe a different story). I'm sorry, just plain rude and not sportsmanlike......

Zing 5oz from the waterline over their head and see how they like it. I am with Slip I would cut line

If you really need to cast over someone a sleep - nerve gas bomb is best. That way the fisher doesn`t even know what happened so there is no hard feelings.


Though I cannot fathom someone who would do that :fishslap:

4 ounce Hopkins......problem solved!:lasso:

One more question---if I'm using a Squidder and Harnell, instead of being a monkey with a hi-tech outfit, can I go ahead and cast, or do I still have to wait for the guy up top to unload first :bl: :angel:

Let the guy up top take the first cast (like he is going to ask anyway) and while he is retrieving.....roll his bike into the canal!:btu:

Ever have your thumb slip off the spool during your backcast? :zup: :devil2:

Absolutely uncalled for. This happened to my brother and I last year at Murderer's Row. Three bikers showed up and started casting right over me from the road. I don't have much patience for that kind of sh_t and I let them know it. They proceeded to ask me what I was going to do about it. My brother was about 30-50' feet away and came over and asked if there was a problem. Only took a few seconds for them to realize we weren't going to tolerate that kind of intrusion (if they had asked, maybe a different story). I'm sorry, just plain rude and not sportsmanlike......


I have a feeling I know the 3 you talk about. They're referred to as "The Greeks" down there. Kids from Brockton. They do it ALL THE TIME! We've confronted them about it saying if their plug breaks off, we're gonners. Their reply is "It won't" and they keep casting. Mayhem at best!

No business at all casting over someone! It is just calling for an accident or an "Incident" :rocketem: :rocketem: :rocketem:

Funny to see a post about this. Went to the ditch for the first time in a couple years (used to fish it more when I lived in Wareham) last weekend with the 'breakin' tides' and was in awe when the bike guys showed up and started launching from the bike path. The water was so low I don't know if I could reach it from the path! And here I was so happy to be wading in the ditch for the first time. I thought these we're the canal "sharpies" and I was thinking I need a bike and one of those snazzy conv. rigs. Didn't see them catch anything though, they were gone as soon as they came, apparently chasing that one bass I saw chasing that one piece of bait on top right at daybreak.... I like to relax when I fish, that's probably the most appeallling thing about it. Fishing the canal everyday when it's busy reminds me of the morning commute. :yak6:

b-f dont get me wrong..... its wrong to cast over any ones head imo if you know the guy its still not wright .but a smart caster knows how to work a cast. the guy thats on the rocks should be first on the cast ,not the guy on the road i,m for the man on the rocks.. its rude and crude to cast over the head of a stranger....

mike ...u read my thread wrong...the man on the water cast first all around and the biker should move the 50 ft dwn ...fu*k the bike guys ,but yrs ago we would cast overhead of the people you know .we were all friends... this past wknd was a mad house for some and word of a 50 # and ideal tides ..the monkeys came out of the woods.

I have a feeling I know the 3 you talk about. They're referred to as "The Greeks" down there. Kids from Brockton. They do it ALL THE TIME! We've confronted them about it saying if their plug breaks off, we're gonners. Their reply is "It won't" and they keep casting. Mayhem at best!

No business at all casting over someone! It is just calling for an accident or an "Incident" :rocketem: :rocketem: :rocketem:

pretty slanderous stuff right there.

Sorry Dave. Read it wrong.

I have to admit I've cast from the road, but never over anyone's head---or, at least never over the head of anyone I wasn't friends with ;)

It's basically the same deal as when a bunch of guys are standing at the water and a fish breaks. If I see it before anyone else, I'm casting on it. Even if it's not right in front of me. If someone else gets on the break first, I hold up. If the guy misses, the fish is fair game for anyone else :humpty:

Too friggin dangerous, I think my thumb might slip as well on the back cast. No way I would put up with that. And no doubt I would cross his line.

A 4oz jig would be heading towards their temple at light speed.

man, i feel bad for you guys having to deal with this... i feel a slight bit guilty that every time i go down to my beach im the only one there. grant it only schoolies so far but im not complaining.

Not to be an Ass, because I've dealt with idiots over here, especially fishin in current (i.e. guys fishing too light and snagging you every cast) along with spot jumpers, close casters etc..

But honestly how many people would cast AT somebody in retribution, and how many people are just talk?

There is just one person that I knew if I found him I had 100% full intentions of casting a hopkins at. Still keeping my eye out for him...
With that said, I would just cross his line and let him know why....

I had this happen to me last year at the canal and I posted about it. It is getting worse. I was at a spot for a couple of hours throwing surface plugs to breaking fish that were sliding by with the current. It just so happened that a nice pod crashing on bait parked right in front of me for an extended period of time. So as expected the fellas to my right and left started casting directly in front of me..... but all of a sudden I hear a commotion and the whizzing of conventional reels. No less that 4 big wooden plugs were lauched above me from the service road. I had hooked up while their plugs were airborne. They were casting and retrieving right over my line as I was fighting the fish. Once the fished moved they mounted up on their trikes and followed the fish without a care in the world. I personally wouldn't think about casting over somebodys head out of respect AND safety. :huh:


And by the way. They were the GREEKS without a doubt!!:smokin:

sTiFfY, you cast over my head, you die.:eek5:

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Now we Road rage, check out line rage, and now fishing rage.

People suck.

I just read this thread. I think casting behind someone regardless of where is ludicrous unless you absolutely know the person and have a method to the madness that all share. I recall a few years ago at Wasque someone getting a chin full of trebbles and almost getting a free improvised face lift because they were too close behind an angler...

I guess one thing to cast from the road but another to cast over someone. Sure nothing might go wrong but what if it does?

Taser :lasso:

I live close enough to the canal to ride my bike there, a few weeks ago three guys tried to get me off my spot said it was their's.I told them if they wanted to fish it they should have gotten here at 4:00 am like I did.
One guys says he is going to cast over my head,I told him I would cut his line if he did,they left in a huff.

It comes around, rude people have a way getting whatscoming to them. :uhuh:

Absolutely uncalled for! Anyone casting over my back is totally out of line. I always have two rods rigged - one with topwata and one with a heavy jig in the ditch. If I was plugging, I would reel in real quick and throw the heavy over the plug and bring it to shore. tangled plugs get cut off!! If I didn't keep it it would be dropped by accident into the current.:nailem:
I think that the regulars would surely back me up. Especially if they see it happening.:hihi:
That plug cast from the path is just as dangerous on the pick up as it is flying overhead.:eyes:

When I first started saltwater fishing I went to the canal with a Penn power stick and 6500 ss reel..I didnt know what I was doing but new enough not to cast over people. That is unacceptable! I would cut their line in an instant.

If its the greeks doing it,and it sounds like it is, just carry a slingshot and a can of unpitted olives for them next time. :nailem:

Sounds like these guys need a blanket party - or a Ditch Sting :hee: Or a Ditch Sting followed up by a blanket party

if you guys have a problem with the actions of the fellas you talk about, why don't you tell them? instead of slandering them on the internet, confront them with your concerns.

if you guys have a problem with the actions of the fellas you talk about, why don't you tell them? instead of slandering them on the internet, confront them with your concerns.

can you point out the so called slander to me? I didn't see anything slanderous with what Bob wrote. and yes I agree if you have a problem, take it up with them in person.

if you guys have a problem with the actions of the fellas you talk about, why don't you tell them? instead of slandering them on the internet, confront them with your concerns.

Whether the gents I referred to earlier were "the greeks" or not, my brother and I did have some words with them. Like I said, they left afterwards.

Simple coutesy is all I ask for. If they had asked first maybe things would have been different.....

clambelly, go back and read it, they DID confront them.
If you know them or are one of them, then why don't you tell them people are not going to keep putting up with that crap? I don't know which others you were talking to about speaking to them. Like I said , what is slanderous?

[QUOTE=gone fishin]
That plug cast from the path is just as dangerous on the pick up as it is flying overhead.QUOTE]

And what are they going to do if they ge ta short strike 10 yards in front of you? I guess they'll suddenly get some restraint and not set the hook until they feel the fish? Yeah right.

You think its bad for a plugger to cast over you. Wait til a bait fisherman does it. We see it a lot at our low tide spot. fishing there for hours and some knuckle head pulls up on the bike and lays down bait and sinker right over your head. :realmad:

the canal has its share of idiots.

Clambelly,

They are referred to as "The Greeks" because they are greek. No one can remember their names. They run in 3's usually, on bikes most of the time. They're really not bad people. We've talked to them quite a bit....their consideration just lacks a bit. Nothing slanderous at all. Just like calling the sharpies "Canal Rats"

most agree its a classless thing to do .i agree its better to move down current 50 yds and waite for YOUR cast but that makes too much sense..20+ yrs now i,ve been a reg ,reg,canal rat ,and NO i do not cast over a mans head ,out of respect and hope that it dont happen to me....note i will if he saids its ok w/ propper cond. at the time....its no class for the head hunters that cant waite.....

slander

n 1: words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another 2: an abusive attack on a person's character or good name [syn: aspersion, calumny, defamation, denigration] v : charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; "The journalists have defamed me!" "The article in the paper sullied my reputation" [syn: defame, smirch, asperse, denigrate, calumniate, smear, sully, besmirch

Clambelly...Slander?Definition is everything.

Sometimes it wouldn't hurt to research before you post.

RIRockhound.......No talk here....I have cast at folks before and will do so again....a few here have seen it! Don't cross the BigFish!:hihi: Treat me nice and I treat you nice!

RIRockhound.......No talk here....I have cast at folks before and will do so again....a few here have seen it! Don't cross the BigFish!:hihi: Treat me nice and I treat you nice!
Yea, until you hit someone in the head and the police haul you away :hs:

-spence

I was fortunate to have two early morning visits to the ditch Sun and Mon. - both days same spot with the same guy to my left and two different guys to my right each day. We all knew what we were doing and were considerate of each other. We all caught fish and left happy.
I did notice the some bikers come buy during brief topwater activity, but none pulled the trigger over us.
As far as these Greek guys, I'm sure that there be more people keeping an eye on them, thanks to the publicity.
If I was approached by a handful of angry fishermen, knowing the money they have shelled out to fish the Canal right and just looking to have a ?? relaxing ?? day out fishing, that would most likely change my attitude.

Spence....you surf where I was fishing first....you take your life in your hands. As for boat fishermen.....you drift into my casting range and its hull bouncing time!:bl: I would never intentionally injure someone....simply making a point that you are in my zone......and deserve a little respect!:lasso:

Cutting lines or intentional entanglement is probably the best tact(s) to take, and no worries about getting sued. I'm sure that gets the point across.

Spence....you surf where I was fishing first....you take your life in your hands. As for boat fishermen.....you drift into my casting range and its hull bouncing time!:bl: I would never intentionally injure someone....simply making a point that you are in my zone......and deserve a little respect!:lasso:
I'm glad u leave your rod home when u go to the Supermarket...:D

I never said that I do!:bl:

How you doing Dave?:wiggle:

Spence....you surf where I was fishing first....you take your life in your hands. As for boat fishermen.....you drift into my casting range and its hull bouncing time!:bl: I would never intentionally injure someone....simply making a point that you are in my zone......and deserve a little respect!:lasso:
Doesn't have to be intentional...even the best of us don't cast perfectly all the time :angel: :smash:

I'm just trying to ensure any impressionable young minds don't think it's ok if BF does it :devil2:

-spence

I just don't like being stepped on Spence....it won't be tolerated.....ever! My feets bigger!:bl:

As Mr. Pak my karate instructor often said...there's always someone with bigger feet :hihi:

-spence

I don't run across many size 16's......unless Flap is packin a pair?:wave:

Nah, those aren't big feet...These are big feet :rotfl:

-spence

slander

n 1: words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another 2: an abusive attack on a person's character or good name [syn: aspersion, calumny, defamation, denigration] v : charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; "The journalists have defamed me!" "The article in the paper sullied my reputation" [syn: defame, smirch, asperse, denigrate, calumniate, smear, sully, besmirch

Clambelly...Slander?Definition is everything.

Sometimes it wouldn't hurt to research before you post.
...exactly!

If u fish at night u find u don't have that problem.
I have seen the mad biker gang, bunch of punks.
Sounds like a perfect example of everthing thats wrong with kids today.No respect.If i ever did something like that when i was young i better be prepared for a azz beating.From my old man if he found out.
I would volunteer to be there propa daddy for the day an learn em some manners.

The guy casting bait over me and Smokey was in the dead of night. You just can't avoid them all the time.

I am Greek and I took no offense to what Bob Thomas said. Personally I think they should be called the Malakas. If they did it to me I would stick a size 12 up their rear.

I am Greek and I took no offense to what Bob Thomas said. Personally I think they should be called the Malakas. If they did it to me I would stick a size 12 up their rear.

Thanks, Specialist. . . I meant no harm or "slander" by it...just how we've come to know them

Man If I pissed off BigFish in the middle of the night I would be a little scared!:err: Of course I wouldn't do any thing like this so I have no worries.

Spence....you surf where I was fishing first....you take your life in your hands. As for boat fishermen.....you drift into my casting range and its hull bouncing time!:bl: I would never intentionally injure someone....simply making a point that you are in my zone......and deserve a little respect!:lasso:

Territorial Imperative

How do you seperate the Men from the Boys in the Greek Army?





With a Crowbar. :hee:



Hey, I'm a Irish, French, and Polish. I'm a Drinker and a Lover.....but I can't do either one right. (Oh No I think I just Slandered myself)

in some other states tossing the line over someones head can be assault and you got the right to protect yourself. cock the trigger and play can i hit a rod tip at night. really scare the piss out of the jerks.

2 wrongs dont make a right....although I have been guilty of casting in the general direction of a vessel or two...but it aint really worth maybe hurting someone over a fish......

I would not start with the Greek jokes.

We catch not fish.

i guess slander was the wrong word. ill try to do my research next time. my point was, why specificly point out certain individuals that aren't here to defend themselves? i know for a fact that the guys in question do not participate on these boards, so they have no way to respond HERE. sorry for the confusion. ill try not to step out of line again :gorez:

i guess slander was the wrong word. ill try to do my research next time. my point was, why specificly point out certain individuals that aren't here to defend themselves? i know for a fact that the guys in question do not participate on these boards, so they have no way to respond HERE. sorry for the confusion. ill try not to step out of line again :gorez:

Perhaps you can tell them that what they do is not cool?

in some other states tossing the line over someones head can be assault and you got the right to protect yourself. cock the trigger and play can i hit a rod tip at night. really scare the piss out of the jerks.


I believe it's a federal offense to possess a firearm on Canal property.

BigFish uses conversation and reason to explain to another fisher why he should not cast over his head

BigFish uses conversation and reason to explain to another fisher why he should not cast over his head

Too funny

Was that you Skitter on the grassy knoll?

BigFish :hee:

Anyone who would ntentionally piss off Bigfish would probably qualify as a person who underachieves intellectually. As a matter of fact I would have to say that persons I.Q. is more than likely in the minus range. Maybe even ameoba-like.:bounce:

BigFish uses conversation and reason to explain to another fisher why he should not cast over his head

Followed by a size 16 to the A$$ to make sure they listened ??:hihi:

Perhaps you can tell them that what they do is not cool?

im confused. this isn't my problem. ive never had this problem. ive never witnessed this problem. every time i fish the canal, or from the road in fact, ive never casted directly over someones head.

i know for a fact that the guys in question do not participate on these boards, so they have no way to respond HERE.


I`m confused to....sounds like you know them...Thats all I meant.