This is too long to post, but it's an excellent read on why what's going on is a loose loose for Middle East peace...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13970968/site/newsweek/

-spence

And another good read buy the isolationist Buchanan...Skippy, this one's for you:uhuh:

-spence

No, this is not 'our war'

Posted: July 20, 2006
8:36 p.m. Eastern


© 2006

My country has been "torn to shreds," said Fouad Siniora, the prime minister of Lebanon, as the death toll among his people passed 300 civilian dead, 1,000 wounded, with half a million homeless.

Israel must pay for the "barbaric destruction," said Siniora.

To the contrary, says columnist Lawrence Kudlow, "Israel is doing the Lord's work."

On American TV, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu says the ruination of Lebanon is Hezbollah's doing. But is it Hezbollah that is using U.S.-built F-16s, with precision-guided bombs and 155-mm artillery pieces to wreak death and devastation on Lebanon?

No, Israel is doing this, with the blessing and without a peep of protest from President Bush. And we wonder why they hate us.

"Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli airstrikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

When summer power outrages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at the Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

"Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shiites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al-Qaida is the B Team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States?

None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons – and we can't have that.

But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last and always

And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

This is too long to post, but it's an excellent read on why what's going on is a loose loose for Middle East peace...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13970968/site/newsweek/

-spence


Whats a loose loose :biglaugh:

Why did you lock the udder thread when Mr. Skip only used Clammer language? :read:

Main Entry: im·bro·glio
Pronunciation: im-'brOl-(")yO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -glios
Etymology: Italian, from imbrogliare to entangle, from Middle French embrouiller -- more at EMBROIL (http://www2.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/mwdictsn?book=Dictionary&va=embroil)
Date: 1750
1 : a confused mass
2 a : an intricate or complicated situation (as in a drama or novel) b : an acutely painful or embarrassing misunderstanding c : a violently confused or bitterly complicated altercation : EMBROILMENT (http://www2.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/mwdictsn?book=Dictionary&va=embroilment)

an older favorite: a mares nest of spurious ambiguity :rolleyes:

Sorry about the spelling...could have been the Hoegaarden :)

-spence

Sorry about the spelling...could have been the Hoegaarden :)

-spence

Is that what you are calling your back yard now??

Israeli military spokesman Lt. Col. Oliver Rafowicz insisted that Israel has "no intention" of invading Lebanon.




:huh:

Perhaps they're just all going for some of that good Lebanese coffee? :devil2:

Interesting story today, the Bush Administration (yes, that Bush Administration) is saying that Israel is inflating their reports of damage inflicted upon Hezbollah...

-spence

Looks like this thread has become the Spence and SkitterPop show :cputin:

:huh:

Why did you lock the udder thread when Mr. Skip only used Clammer language? :read:

You missed the personal attack I take it? Thats not kosher here.

You missed the personal attack I take it? Thats not kosher here.

Funny, when i've taken personal attacks the threads never got locked up :huh:

Your not in the CLICK!!!

Skippy is playing the role of the Palestinians here. The perpetual underdog who's consistantly beaten down...and nobody seems to care.

Likwid is conversely the Israeli faction, overly aggressive and under the watchful eye of the moderators (the USA) who are quick to use their privelages (UN veto) to shield from any harm.

And Uffah!!...it's "Clique".

-spence

Skippy is playing the role of the Palestinians here. The perpetual underdog who's consistantly beaten down...and nobody seems to care.

Likwid is conversely the Israeli faction, overly aggressive and under the watchful eye of the moderators (the USA) who are quick to use their privelages (UN veto) to shield from any harm.

And Uffah!!...it's "Clique".

-spence

One by one the Democratic Party keeps having to abandon all the Insane positions that have made it the funny silly party we've come to know and love!!
No longer content to ruin their own children,liberals insist on being subsidized by the Taxpayers to ruin everyone eles's children to!!

As far as Lebanon and Hizbullah are conserned, ".308 Holes make Invisible Souls!" Binyamin Netanyahu said it best when it came to Lebanon. Should go in and knock everything down. Don't leave two stones touching together.

Funny, when i've taken personal attacks the threads never got locked up :huh:


Good point Skip....it might have been your attack was too volatile?
Next time throw in a picture of a donkey and a smiley :hihi:

One by one the Democratic Party keeps having to abandon all the Insane positions that have made it the funny silly party we've come to know and love!!
No longer content to ruin their own children,liberals insist on being subsidized by the Taxpayers to ruin everyone eles's children to!!



So this senseless comment can be attributed to the Replublican Party? :wave:

As far as Lebanon and Hizbullah are conserned, ".308 Holes make Invisible Souls!" Binyamin Netanyahu said it best when it came to Lebanon. Should go in and knock everything down. Don't leave two stones touching together.


Only problem here is all the underground bunkers,tunnels, weapons factories and storage. Then when the impossible is done all the angry hornets from other Arab nations will fly back in.

Only problem here is all the underground bunkers,tunnels, weapons factories and storage. Then when the impossible is done all the angry hornets from other Arab nations will fly back in.

What happens when conventional weapons are not able to achieve the desired destruction of these deep reinforced bunkers. We are probably as close to some kind of nuclear strike as we ever have been. Then what.

What happens when conventional weapons are not able to achieve the desired destruction of these deep reinforced bunkers. We are probably as close to some kind of nuclear strike as we ever have been. Then what.


New ground based bunker weapons. Nuclear war? A not so Brave New World.... filled with even more horror and destruction.

Your not in the CLICK!!!

Uffah, I'm not in any clique on this board.

What happens when conventional weapons are not able to achieve the desired destruction of these deep reinforced bunkers. We are probably as close to some kind of nuclear strike as we ever have been. Then what.

The Nuclear Genie cannot be let out of the bottle under any circumstance unless in retaliation for a nuclear strike. The catastrophic potential is such that no nuke must be used.

Pop the doors open with the mother of all bunker busters and then send the Hercs in with the Mother Of All Bombs (my appologies in advance for the Herky drivers). Open the door and bounce the floor - whatever it takes.

Come up with whatever you need to do but keep the Nuclear Genie in the bottle. The ramifications their make the Pre-emptive Strike option look no more menacing then a Riley's Roast Beef Suicide at 3 am...

George W. Bush is the anti-christ... Lord save us!

George W. Bush is the anti-christ... Lord save us!

He's not smart enough to be the Anti-Christ

George W. Bush is the anti-christ... Lord save us!

absolutley, everything was fine before he came into office.
:behead:

absolutley, everything was fine before he came into office.
:behead:

Yup, terroists and radical Islam loved us before Bush got in office. :smash:

Yup, terroists and radical Islam loved us before Bush got in office. :smash:

Didn't he cause those 34 Terrorist attacks on America and American interests during the Clinton admin too?