He was fishing with scup near the comm fleet and picked up a decent fish with a buldging belly. Inside was a partially digested stapled up baitfish that looked like a bunker and a large lead weight inside the bait fish.

Isn't this both an unethical and non- legal way to fish for bass? Is there really a law that says you can't yo-yo for bass?

I heard its deadly though... You don't have any more discription on how that was rigged do you? Just curious...

He asked me what this was and described it to me fairly well and I said it was probably some of the comm guys yoyoing big bait near the bottom. Few recs actually fish like this. Personally I have never done it and don't know exactly how to rig it but know it goes on. The weight had fallen thru the baitfish and was in the belly of the bass, it was about 8 oz of lead. the baitfish was opened and the weight inserted and baitfish slit was stapled up closed. I didn't get exactly where the hook was but he said he didn't find a hook. The fish also had a second large bait in there as well.

He said he was glad he didn't weigh it in for a contest because he would not want to take the blame for something like this if it was opened up.

PS (lots of large fish were brought in yesterday by the comms...several close to 50#)

As far as I know, yo-yoing is perfectly legal. It targets big bass, well above the 34" commercial minimum. Those fish aren't going to be intentionally released anyway. The problem is breaking one off, as was apparently the case with your friend's. I don't know how much harm the weight causes---but I have cleaned a number of bass over the years that had ingested rocks.

It can cause problems for guys at tournament weigh-ins. Rumor has it that a well known MV charter captain was DQ'd on a Derby winning fish because a yo-yo weight was inside when the Committee opened it up. I also hear it won him a 5 year suspension.

are you serious?
non-legal to yo-yo?
why?
should chunking be banned as well?

are you serious?
non-legal to yo-yo?
why?
should chunking be banned as well?
take a deep breath, that is why it was put in the form of a question.....geez:rtfm:

not a bait fisherman, but I heard of guys taking lead and sticking it down the mouth of live scup and fishing the bottom. i thought it was perfectly normal? Whats yo-yoing???

C/B

No worries ==== you all never knew it existed until the RI boys K/A at M/V;;

Sandman ; there are many variations of Y/y ;;if that all you found // then that was not the [true[ setup ]

its past deadly /// asked the charter captains on your island how they felt ,when they were sent home packing //w clients

or better yet / the captain that was told by a [[WELL KNOWN] client --take me to the RI boat ;;;

:devil: fun with shad :bounce:

Sounds like a modified version of the yo-yo rig, I think any bass could pass an 8oz sinker. I dont see that as a problem
The true version utilizes a metal rod for balance that most certainly will kill any fish that ingests it and breaks off.

Coat hanger normally right?

Wooden skewer, weight, and hog rings.

C/B

No worries ==== you all never knew it existed until the RI boys K/A at M/V;;

Sandman ; there are many variations of Y/y ;;if that all you found // then that was not the [true[ setup ]

its past deadly /// asked the charter captains on your island how they felt ,when they were sent home packing //w clients

or better yet / the captain that was told by a [[WELL KNOWN] client --take me to the RI boat ;;;

Its the deadliest method there is , better than live bunker...seen it myself with clammer....I dont care how many live bunker you have ...if your next to a RI yo-yo expert you may as well go home cause you aint catchin nothing!
It is not illegal at all...As for rigging it? thats a closely guarded secret and if I say anymore Clammer and others would have my head....Lets say there is more to it than a weight and a coat hanger.

In my opinion the best boat fisherman in the universe for Striped -Bass is RI's own Ray Jobin...and he invented the YO-YO....He is a master at it...

take a deep breath, that is why it was put in the form of a question.....geez:rtfm:

sorry. i didn't mean to over-react. sometimes all day on the water melts my brain.

a guy i know of has caught MANY fish over 50 pounds with the yo-yo. i have no clue how it works, but i do know it DOES work.

Billy ;;
it wasn,t Ray ===== But I guy::: if you saw him on the water /you,d think he was some ya-hoo :gorez:

Wow, no one willing to share the technique? I thought you guys prided yourselves on being anti-location sharing but pro technique sharing. :jester:

Wow, no one willing to share the technique? I thought you guys prided yourselves on being anti-location sharing but pro technique sharing. :jester:


no

What made ya think that .,.,, ya got a better chance with spot sharing >>><><:sleeps:

I know how to do it!!!!!
and for a small fee, I'll tell you.... the cost is $100 per step, paid cash up front!!!!

plus it works much betta from a boat....

I would like to see the a real yo-yo setup. Since we have established it is legal and a good method, why not share it? Isn't that what this site is all about? sharing good ideas? It is the least you guys can do given all the good stuff you have gleened from theses pages. Drawings and material lists would be helpful too:laugha:

I would like to see the a real yo-yo setup. Since we have established it is legal and a good method, why not share it? Isn't that what this site is all about? sharing good ideas? It is the least you guys can do given all the good stuff you have gleened from theses pages. Drawings and material lists would be helpful too
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By next year posts will look like this.....

caught a fish in the Atlantic on a hook.:doh:

Getting out of control if you ask me.

Well I am dying to know how to do it. I also respect certain secrets like the yo yo setup. I hope to one day learn it by putting in my time and earning it. Part of the beauty of fishing for striper is all the techniques that come with experience. From what I know even if you have a book explaining how to yo yo, it will still take a TON of practice to learn how to fish it correctly.

In a nutshell....
you rig a pogie like you would a ballyhoo.. shove some lead inside the belly to act as a weight and as a keel so it doesnt roll, sew it up... you make a bunch of them and then brine them(optional) the term yo-yo comes from the jigging motion you make with your pogie- hopefully it is right off the bottom.. Chumming with finely ground up pogies is the the key to success.

I heard this all started with some RI guys in RI regitered red seacraft who would come over to the brickyard off Menemsha and yoyo tons of fish then hi tail it back to Ri via water. Seems like ten years or so was when I first heard of this from some guys I know that hang in Vineyard Sound alot. Anyone know if that is true?

like nebe said..
we do it with mackeral for tuna.
you jam a wood skewer thru one eye all the way to the tail so the bait stays nice and strait. then stuff a 2-3-4 oz sinker down its throat.. zip tie its mouth shut.. then hook thru the top of the back arround the skewer...so it will hang perfectly stait..

this way the bait sits perfecty strait and looks like it's swimming. no roll....no bending....no nuthin...looks like it's alive but easier to catch

yo-yo away ;)

I heard this all started with some RI guys in RI regitered red seacraft who would come over to the brickyard off Menemsha and yoyo tons of fish then hi tail it back to Ri via water. Seems like ten years or so was when I first heard of this from some guys I know that hang in Vineyard Sound alot. Anyone know if that is true?
Flap:
It was 1992 or 3 when that stuff was going on. I know the guys your talking about but won't name names. They were killing it on MV and bringing the fish back to RI. I remember they would come into Charlie Murats old shop in No. Smithfield with a truck load of 30's. And this was when the moritorium had just ended and a 30 was a big deal.
Yo Yo was the trick. :hidin:

go rent the video "stand up to a giant" with dennis braid.

they show you how to to rig a yo-yo ;)

Paul before that ===we were doing it before the closure ;;;;:shocked:

Paul before that ===we were doing it before the closure ;;;;:shocked:
From cloth dories suspended from wooden sailing vessels :shocked: :faga:

Watch out ::
I,ve been good for over a year ////

do you want me to start ???????:hidin:

Ask Pops in OTW described it about two years ago or so.

Is this mainly used from a boat or shore?

It is mainly used from a boat as you drift over structure. There are easier ways to hook good quality fish, try 3 waying fresh bunker chunks....

I yo yo'd up about 20 keepers yesterday right in the middle of the commercial fleet. 14 fish were above 34" and sold. In amongst them was some of the fattest stripers I have ever seen. Two of the fish I caught were at 30 #'s or just slightly above. Didn't weigh any in re; striper cup........contest, because I agree with most everyone its not appropriate.

The weight is about eight to ten oz's and is heavier at one end. Shove the skinny end in first because the heavier end keeps the nose end on the bottom. Mouth is then stapled shut. Take a long wood pick that a teriyaki wood be served on and stick in the fishes back just behind the dorsal fish. Run toothpick up fish spine until the point is about to protrude out of the fishes back above the eyes. Take your # 1 or # 2 treble and stick in the back of the fish so the the one hook of the treble enters the fish and travels under the toothpick and just out of the fishes back.

The toothpick keeps the treble from coming out and unless a bluefish eats the striper candy the pogie should last for a good long time.

Drop bait to bottom and reel up a foot and keep dropping the bait to the bottom and pulling up, hence........yo yoing.

I'll tell you how its done but not where, ever.

Also landed the largest fluke I have ever caught. Small by many standards but 7 #'ers get my attention.

From cloth dories suspended from wooden sailing vessels :shocked: :faga:

At least they hit the water :hidin:

From cloth dories suspended from wooden sailing vessels :shocked: :faga:


They were catchin dinosaurs though. The toughest part was getting the fish back to the cave safe, with all the t rex's and what not. I think Clammers still got a few t rex steaks in the fridge John.

Its the deadliest method there is , better than live bunker...seen it myself with clammer....I dont care how many live bunker you have ...if your next to a RI yo-yo expert you may as well go home cause you aint catchin nothing!
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Can atest to that after today. Couple guys who definetly had it down pat, smoking everybody else. Quite the art

Ya I saw the RI guys slaying them today, got a 36lber myself on a yo-yo this morning.

There are many variations of this, it is a killer techniche. Large sinkers, a wooden scewer or metal rod and something to sew the mouth shut. And yes the Rhody boys brought it to MV

Catching 30 keepers a day on YO YO!!

6 days in a row!!
1800 pounds a week 2 weeks in a row!!= $5500 - $400 gas = $5100- $300 bait= $4800 - $200 miss. = $4600 for 6 days work 10 hour days = $76 per hour

I like it :bgi:

I have built all of 20 Yo-Yo rods this year for the guys . Some are from this board and they seem a little quite about this subject.:hidin:

This topic always stirs the pot everytime it comes up.:rollem:

perhap's it's because if everyone knew how,,holes could be wiped out,,market flooded and a shorter season.....to much of a good thing?

Here--knock yourselves out.

There are many variations of this, it is a killer techniche. Large sinkers, a wooden scewer or metal rod and something to sew the mouth shut. And yes the Rhody boys brought it to MV

uh, lol.

ok.

Swimmer, what do you mean by "the commercial fleet"?

riverrat2 nice fish, were you on time? Did you bring lunch? :rotf3:

Just play nice people ;) - thanks...

John

Hahaa that picture is hilarious, i guess thats what you look like after not sleeping more than 2 hours for 3 days straight and living on redbulls and pop tarts.

Swimmer, what do you mean by "the commercial fleet"?
The "commercial fleet" are the boats with licences to fish for bass or anything else, they usually fish the same area, they can be any size boat. Most people just know the guys in the fleet, in the spring this year there were 15 or so of them fishing the bay all CC'S together fishing the same area.....

thanks

riverrat2 nice fish, were you on time? Did you bring lunch? :rotf3:

Hey , I know that boat !!!

Them Parkers are fishy!!!

nice fish Max...glad to see it...hope your having a blast

Interesting info. - Good stuff. Makes me want to get a damn boat!... 30 keepahs?? !$$#!#$!@#@#$!$

used to yo yo quicks's in my commercial days- very deadly.

Boys

The jig (sorry) may be up.

See today's Wall Street Journal on a complete description of Yo-Yoing. There is even a video on how to do this if you subscribe electronically. Won't be long before every numnutz in creation will be doing it and I'm sure the tackle stores will be selling Yo-Yo kits, too!

We've successfully used a technique close to this off Sandy Hook and it works like a charm. Deadly for the lazy lunker. If you use a small metal leader on the weight, you'll also prevent the blues from chomping off that piece of the rig and all you'll lose is the hook.

wow, just watched the vid.

Asking a dumb question, wouldnt it be easy to run another leader from the hook eye ring through an eye in the lead weight? That would attach the weight to the main line and wouldnt impact how it looks to a bass? Seems like a simple solution to the bass inhaling the lead and the situtation if the bunker falls off.

As far as I know, yo-yoing is perfectly legal. It targets big bass, well above the 34" commercial minimum. Those fish aren't going to be intentionally released anyway. The problem is breaking one off, as was apparently the case with your friend's. I don't know how much harm the weight causes---but I have cleaned a number of bass over the years that had ingested rocks.

It can cause problems for guys at tournament weigh-ins. Rumor has it that a well known MV charter captain was DQ'd on a Derby winning fish because a yo-yo weight was inside when the Committee opened it up. I also hear it won him a 5 year suspension.

Nobody was banned. The weight of the lead inside the fish was deducted from the total weight of the fish and the fish counted.

I have never done it BUT....
Could it be done with less objections if the equipment changed? how about changing the "coat hanger or wooden scewer" to a paper stick something like in a candy sucker. those things last for hours. we are fisherman and know a few knots so...sew the mouth shut with thread instead of a hog ring or staple. as for the 6-8 oz of lead use something natural that is small enough to be passed. sand could work if put directly in the belly and sewn up afterward. sounds like there are a few people looking for the easiest and fastest way not the better way to yo-yo.
I may check it out for myself some day.

There was a big article in On The Water less than a year ago with pictures, technique, and debate of it's ethics. I say if it catches God Bless! Definately need a boat though there in lies the problem.

Nobody was banned. The weight of the lead inside the fish was deducted from the total weight of the fish and the fish counted.

Nobody was banned last year, but I think MikeP is referring to an incident which occurred years ago, before the internet age.

Nobody was banned last year, but I think MikeP is referring to an incident which occurred years ago, before the internet age.

That would be correct. This thread started in 2006. Lev's fish was 2007. No one ever said Lev was banned.

The article was aimed at giving both sides and as has been said atm least once in thsi thread...here are many variations and personal ethics are a key in this debate.

Also, remember when you talk about banning this technique the language will ahve to be written to encorporate certain facets that will most definately effect other fishing techniques. Do you put a rubber core in the mouth of an eel, fish a rigged ballyhoo. Prohibition is not the answer. Education is.

Who bumped this thread anyway.

So much for fight club.

YoYo bait inside my buddies bass.......... I crack up every time I read that title too fast rofl:jester:

That would be correct. This thread started in 2006. Lev's fish was 2007. No one ever said Lev was banned.


I have been fishing the derby since "73" and of the two or three people I can think of who are banned or were banned from the derby I don't believe any of them were caught stuffing weight in a fish.