Well, Friday night I cut the rest of the motorwell out. I may re-use the engine box as a splashwell if I decide to go the notched transom route.
Then, this afternoon I pulled out the steering cables, cut all the dash wires and sawzalled the bulkheads that create the cabin. Sawzalls are fun.. So I says, Krispy, go for it :bo:
And by 7pm the the top was chopped!
My neighbores stopped to talk as they walked down to their dock and when they came back the boat went from cuddy to CC :jump1:
Heres the album, I updated w/ a few pics from tonight:
http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/Seafari20/

Nice, this old boat.
There goes he spare cash.

Nice post. Good job. Love that stuff.:hihi:

Don't use drywall srcews. Nice work keep it up.

Are you making a CC out of it?

Opened up as in Wide Open Throttle?

Or Opened up as in you can visually inspect the stringers from Google Earth?


John, this is what i meant by opened up. LOOKS AWESOME KRISPY, KEEP THE PICTURES FLOWING!!!!!! YOU ARE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS>>>@!!!!!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/Seafari20/IMG_0110.jpg

FANTASTIC!

Looks like mine:kewl:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1167Small.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1151Small.jpg

Nice Work Krispy :btu: - The Fun Part (almost), the destruction....

VF - Are you going to glass in some extra knees?

Here is some of this weekend work

Couple more

Nice Work Krispy :btu: - The Fun Part (almost), the destruction....

VF - Are you going to glass in some extra knees?

Here is some of this weekend work


No I am going back to a fresh water cooled I/O, I can't justify cutting that transom up for an outboard, IMO the lines are much better and it is a safer boat as an I/O it will be trailered so no worries

Which engine / drive? V6/Alpha?

Hmmm, marinized Ford SHO (Yamaha) engine might be nice :hihi:

Which engine / drive? V6/Alpha?

Hmmm, marinized Ford SHO (Yamaha) engine might be nice :hihi:

Nope just a 4cyl Mercruiser FWC hydraulic steering 140 hp they are already stern heavy, the tank will go in the floor and moved forward to combat some of the stern weight. I hope to get 3-4 mpg out of it, economy is key, if the little diesels weren't 13k I would opt for one of them

I REALLY like the i/o lines, but my boat desperately needed the floor raised, the scuppers were completely underwater. Keeping the i/0 and redoing the floor around the engine box woulda been a pita. Also want to shave alot of lbs of this boat, the current volvo is 650+lbs, an outboard will save over 200lbs in the back. If I can afford to do the floor w/ composites, along with all the glass Ive removed on the rear end, I hope it will sit a little better.
And I will be keeping the SC in the water, sometimes grounded at low tide
John, Im honored you made this a sticky. Maybe we can change the title to include all our S-B Seacraft projects.
Thanks for all the encouragement guys!

Krispy - I didn't make a sticky but I would have anyway ;) - I look forward to see what you and VF do on your boats :btu:

A little birdy mentioned something to me about some Penske board last night. When he knows more and gets some more detail I'll let you know as far as a floor / transom composite.

Does it need a transom? I'm guessing yes because of the age but maybe it had been done recently...

I REALLY like the i/o lines, but my boat desperately needed the floor raised, the scuppers were completely underwater.

I think (and I am certainly not an expert) that if you focus on solving why the scuppers were below the water, then you will not have to raise the deck. What comes to my mind is wet/waterloged wood & foam.

Also, you don't want to change the way the orginal weight was distributed tooooo much, as it could significantly alter the ride of the boat.

Just some thoughts, I still think you are doing great work, and I am excited to watch the progress. I am sort of living vicariously through you, as I bailed on a project this year due to lack of time (new baby, etc...) and wimped out and bought a new boat.

Zac

John, so far the transom looks good in all the holes, its not wet. There is some delamination at the top between the 2 sheets, but believe its neither structural and could be corrected easily. But theres a big hole from the i/o, and if Im gonna hang an outboard there, Im considering replacing the whole transom instead of filling the hole to err on the side of caution. John, Id defintely be interested about the Penske
Zacs, the scupper issue is inherent to the SC 20' design. Either it was the through floor scuppers that didnt drain well unless underway, or the thru transom design like mine, thats just plain to low. None the the foam on my 20', which is just between the outer stringers and hull sides, are wet. The stringers are hollow and the transom isnt waterlogged.
There is alot of weight distribution to consider, lighter rear, moving the fuel tank forward and possibly replacing for a larger one and having a large livewell aboard and having removed all the forward cuddy weight.

Thanks for the correction, I hope you don't mind, I am just kind of tyring to look out for things you may not have considered. not trying to be negative, I think it is a good project, and you will have a great boat when you are done. Will you paint it or have someone else do it?

Zac

Zacs, I know what you were saying and appreciate any thoughts and outside perspectives :kewl:
Most boats that have those issues are waterlogged. SC was just a mis-design.
I will have to paint the whole boat in the end. The cap will need to be reformed to create the lip. I was thinking of doing a combo of roll & tip (product undecided) for the smooth parts of the cap and floor, and use the Durabak for the non-skid areas and on the inside of the hull sides to help hide the glass pattern w/o a ton of sanding and fairing.
Ill give painting the outer hull a shot, Im thinking bassboat gold flake style :hs:

that looks like an overwhelming amount of work...good luck.

Aint she PURTY:p Another leg up on the mountain

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1171Small.jpg

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MH you can't think of the work or you would never get motivated, I tend to think of it as my blank canvas I can alter,modify the boat the way I want, not a cookie cutter factory boat, I will know how every part of this boat will be put together and too me when I am 15 miles offshore in this little bugger I will have no worries as to what is under my feet:btu:

Regarding the scupper issue, I left 3 1/2" from the sidewall of the boat to the edge of the existing floor I am going to pad my stringers 3/4" and lay my new floor to the edge of the existing channel this will give me a 3/4" channel around the perimeter of the floor. Also on my last boat Hydra Sports Vector my floor drains had ping pong balls which would allow water out and not in, although they were set in the floor (vertical) and the Sea Craft will be horizontal I don't see why they wouldnt work. Also my floor has tubes that drain into the bilge I am thinking of doing away with these ????? I will trailer so I don't forsee a problem but will try and adress the issue a bit


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1158Small.jpg

I stuck it, so I would'nt have to search for it. Besides I knew everyone would appreciate the work you are doing..

Aint she PURTY:p Another leg up on the mountain





MH you can't think of the work or you would never get motivated, I tend to think of it as my blank canvas I can alter,modify the boat the way I want, not a cookie cutter factory boat, I will know how every part of this boat will be put together and too me when I am 15 miles offshore in this little bugger I will have no worries as to what is under my feet:btu:

fair enough... and if i had the skill i might say the same :) but until that happens
:rtfm::rtfm::rtfm::rtfm:

i can't wait to see your finished product

nice :lurk:

Freak this is what you need...A nice project boat!!

A couple things done, made up my stringer ends and been grinding cracks and what not, nothing too exciting

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1178Small.jpg

how did the wood in the transom look?

wow- thats allotta work

wow- thats allotta work
Yeah, everyone says that about these types of projects.
Its fun if you WANNA do it, sucks if you HAFTA do it.
Pulled all the floor off, removed the foam and some more general cutting and chopping. Found one of the stringers is weak and cracked at the top. I think the P.O. drilled some lug screws for the seats straight into the top of the stringer and it broke over time. No big deal, an easy fix
This week I'll finish removing where the liner was epoxied onto the hull sides. It needs to be chipped where the joint meets and is coming off fairly clean. Also cleaning up the stringers where the bedding compound attached the stringers and floor. Finish cutting and removing the front "casting deck" area. I will be leaving the very forward section for now.
Of course when I decided I was gonna remove the cap, I checked underneath it, and its glassed to the hull sides :splat: One more piece to cut for removal. Then the boat will get a thorough sanding inside.
I got some tips for pulling the outdrive, maybe I can get it all out over the next week.
Hurt my back, so things are going a little slow :bc:

Made a little progress yesterday, got the pieces for the floor shaped and got 90% of my cracks ground out even filled a few with some mat and resin. What do you think of the water channel around the I/O housing?? Keep it or lose it?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1182Small.jpg

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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/000_1181Small.jpg

Hurry the hell up, John is going to beat you.

lose the water/fish guts/blood chanell.
looking good so far...

R you going to seal the underside of the ply?

the only thing I could suggest is to replace those small scupper's and bump them up to 11/2 or 2"...pvc pipe...nothing like having a wave dump 6" of water inside and waiting for it to drain.

your looking good on the work you've done todate.

R you going to seal the underside of the ply?

the only thing I could suggest is to replace those small scupper's and bump them up to 11/2 or 2"...pvc pipe...nothing like having a wave dump 6" of water inside and waiting for it to drain.

your looking good on the work you've done todate.

Yes the underside of ply will get some cloth, I will also lose the fish blood channel, the more I think of it it needs to go will only give me something else to fair and sand and fair and sand. The scuppers I will have to look into but I can picture 1 1/2 scuppers on it:)

the underside of the plywood doesn't need cloth.

roll some deck enamel on the underside before you screw it down.
glue and paint,, all in one can;)

cuprinol :number 10..it'll out last us all- under a deck on plywood....lumberyard or hardware store.........it's made for wood thats under water..or wet area's....

the underside of the plywood doesn't need cloth.

roll some deck enamel on the underside before you screw it down.
glue and paint,, all in one can;)

I was thinking 6oz cloth nothing heavy I am afraid of checking if I don't I do have some 2 part epoxy paint laying around I could use. Also not ready to glass the floor down I need to get a tank for under there and make a box for that, am getting things all lined up for some serious glass work before we get real cold weather

Krusty, looking nice! You're going to have to step up on the project if we are going to get her wet this season. I'll start up the lathe this weekend and start wrapping some boat rods. So, will boat fish count once you're done?:lasso:

Almost done, Ill just screw in the bench seats and bolt on the oar locks :bc:
Boat fish always counted, just not as much as surf fish :heybaby:

OK, updated some pics but still behind.
The motor is out!! Phew, finally. It was tough, just kept taking bolts out and finally got it. Hoisted it up on a tree in the yard, it was a good feeling. You can see Magner the Evil cat was watching us the whole time The wood around the outdrive was a little soft, but not rotted. It will all be replaced anyway.
Next job is to remove the motor mount stands, finish chipping off the bedding compound on the stringers and clean up the hull sides. After that, the next big project will be to remove the cap, which is glassed all the way around the hull. Ill store that until winter when I can work on it indoors.
Ill be knee deep into glass and resin by month end :gu:

talk about removing the cap. What are your plans here? Not so much how are you going to do it, but what are you going to do to/with the cap.

Hey Zacs, the cap is really THE BIG project.
The forward 1/3 is cored with ply and is pretty rigid. I will need to core the rear 2/3 of the cap and at the same time incorporate an 8" lip that drops down. Supports will need to be put under the cap, btwn the lip and hull for strength.
The transom section of the cap, I'd like to integrate the original insulated boxes. Ill cut them out of the old transom cap(you can see it in the picture gallery) and add them to either side of the future motor well. Theyll be full height in the transom, so there should be access space underneath(above floor height) for hatches

That sounds hard. Especially hard to make it look good in the end. Are you going to make a mold for the new cap lip and supports? I agree about keeping the old boxes.

did you say already what kind of bracket you are getting?

That sounds hard. Especially hard to make it look good in the end. Are you going to make a mold for the new cap lip and supports? I agree about keeping the old boxes.

did you say already what kind of bracket you are getting?
No mold, it would probly be to difficult. Ill just core ply w/ glass. Adding the lip is simple in principle, but I sure will be hard to fair out nicely. I got time to work out the details
Decided to notch the transom, save some $$ not going with the bracket or dealing the weight/balance issues

gotcha. I see now after reading you post a few before that you just said that. i've got to read more closely. Looking forward to more progress.
Zac

You're neighbors must love you...
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/Seafari20/IMG_0180.jpg

yeah, we left it up as lawn art, opened up the valve covers and filled it w/ bird seed.

I really need to update the photo album

You........ might be a redneck... if you have more engines hanging from trees in your yard than you have engines in your boat :D

:D

Update, has been slow since I lent some tools to my brother to finish some house work.
I have taken one layer of ply off the transom, and hope to remove the second layer down to glass this weekend.
Ive cut back the stringers from the transom about 3" to facilitate transom removal.
Ive also trimmed the lip around the cap, looks better now :)
And I chipped most of the potting compound off that held the floor to the stringers.
I would like to get the new transom wood on before its gets to cold to work w/ the epoxy.
Then Ill be adding 2" to the top of the stringers to raise the floor.
Also lots of grinding to do. Ill be happy if thats all completed before the "real winter" sets in.

Can't wait to see a pic of the finished product. The weathers been good, I'm sure thats been a help. Your going to have one of the best boats on the water. Great info watching you work through this project.

More boat porn

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/underfloorSmall.jpg


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/hydroman1/tankSmall.jpg

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Nice work VF!

Ahhh - for want of a heated garage...

Thanks man I am getting phsyced two more big projects ( casting platform, glassing floor ) and this thing will be down to body work prime/paint, then I can relax and drop hardware in, drill big holes in things:btu:

Any more updates? Wish I had a garage

now i knew somehow id find the porn- fish smell kinda lured me over- keep up the good work guys- John, how is your boat coming along?

I got the floor down and the channel glassed I am working on the casting platform but haven't taken any pictures. Maybe next week

John, how is your boat coming along?

:wall:

Looks great VF. I nearly bought a 23 Seacraft CC several years ago but got scared when I found a weak spiot on the floor. Seacrafts are incredible boats and I wish you continued sucess in your restoration and fabrication, efforts.

John , I guess that means not so great? -

John , I guess that means not so great? -

Just slow Craig - I hung the outboard but still have a ways to go. Not having a garage to work in hurts too...

It's also hard some times when I need to make up my mind: work on the boat - or go surfcasting :hee:

Thanks for posting the pics. Nice job your doing.

must love the smell of fiberglass resin in the morning.... :rotf2:


_Raven aka Craig

ps nice work.... rehabbin her...

i liked the comment on drillin big holes later... :uhuh:

Krispy - How's the progress going on the conversion?
Are you wishing that your left that cuddy alone?

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20Bracket/DSCN6635.JPG

Just have to button up a few things and my seafari is getting splashed.

http://www.classicseacraft.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=43617&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2&vc=1

my buddy did that and made a bass boat out of it

:lama::lama::lama::lama: