I know it's early, but I'd like to go on the record stating that I think Joe Biden will be the 44th President of the United States.

Why?

Biden possess an objective intellect and a focus on both tactical and strategic means to an end. He's not a partisan and probably has a better grasp on the Iraq issue than 95% of Congress.

In fact Biden's strategy on Iraq seems to align exactly with all the objective expert advice I've read. Those who say the Dems don't have a plan had better be prepared to eat their words.

Biden possess character, this is a man who commuted to work in Washington every day to be with his children after his wife was killed early in his career.

Certainly a long standing politician has skeletons in the closet, but doing my homework I've found most of these (like the old GOP plagiarism mantra) to be on very weak footing.

Please discuss.

-spence

Whoever has the biggest war chest will most likely win.

IMHO - None of the boys or girl on capital hill have a clue. Even your boy who drove to work - what a patriot.

No matter who is at the helm, we can't let the terrorist get $$ from Iraqs oil. That is why we're there.

Doesn't matter who is in there....they all suck!:bsod:

It will be a fun race, I dont know enough about Biden to comment on him. I've heard him a few times on the Imus show, not sure he has the charisma to pull it off, but dont know. it also depends on the bet the Dems want to make, Hillary would generate a lot of noise but in the end, I dont think she could pull it off. Although the Repubs are getting killed, I'm still not sure the Dems can solidify enough to present a united front.
McCain really strikes me as someone I admire, doenst always go along part lines and speaks his mind on issues. Dont know enough about his views on domestic policies. Mitt Romney impresses me too, I like his style and get ti done mentaility, may not have the international pull to get things done, but who knows.
Those are my thoughts, I just hope we have some REAL candicaes with fresh ideas. I supported GWB, but lost faith in him. We need someone with vison, integrity and balls. At lease Hillary has the last quality

Biden may be the candidate..........As long as he has the Soros endorsement.

RIJimmy....you looking for a President or a Quarterback? Can't remember the last President that had vision or balls and I don't think any in the last 100 years had integrity!:doh:

Whoever has the biggest war chest will most likely win.

IMHO - None of the boys or girl on capital hill have a clue. Even your boy who drove to work - what a patriot.

No matter who is at the helm, we can't let the terrorist get $$ from Iraqs oil. That is why we're there.

Thank you man, you've hit the nail right on the head. Can you imagain what the terrorist would do IF they had control in Iraq?

Biden may be the candidate..........As long as he has the Soros endorsement.
A good point, Soros is trying to play the money card and influence the Dem ticket...

But there are many Dems including Biden (or Hillary) that are strong enough to avoid influence from the far left. Rest assured the GOP will exploit this to make us all puke, but I really think the American people are sick of it.

It's going to be about the vision for America.

-spence

Thank you man, you've hit the nail right on the head. Can you imagain what the terrorist would do IF they had control in Iraq?

I can hear it now from our friends on the Left "Terrorists already have control of Iraq". But in their next sentence they will claim there are no Terrorists in Iraq.

Thank you man, you've hit the nail right on the head. Can you imagain what the terrorist would do IF they had control in Iraq?
It would never happen, this is just more right-wing rhetoric intended to scare the pants off of you.

More importantly, it's not supported by historical or observable facts!

-spence

Although, if the Presidential election were to fall to a Democrat, Joe Biden would be my vote too. It would be better than another Clinton or Kerry!!

Although, if the Presidential election were to fall to a Democrat, Joe Biden would be my vote too. It would be better than another Clinton or Kerry!!
Ok, you're 1/2 way there...

Now would you rather have Biden or a GWB clone :)

-spence

RIJimmy....you looking for a President or a Quarterback? Can't remember the last President that had vision or balls and I don't think any in the last 100 years had integrity!:doh:


FDR, Teddy R, someone like them.

In my opinion Iraq isn't the most important issue facing America today. The candidate that presents the clearest and most aggresive strategy to fight Terrorism as a whole is the one that gets my vote. And before we drift off into the "Fear Mongering" routine. If the reality of Terrorism is scary to you that means you understand it.

There's a huge difference between fear and concern.

We should be very concerned about terrorisim. But if we fear terrorisim we will make judgements based on emotion rather than objectivity.

Today fear is being used to influence the public's emotion, because our policy is entirely unobjective.

There's a big difference.

-spence

The same facts that draw concern for some create fear in others. And please tell me in the aftermath of 9/11 how you could expect someone to stand back and say "hmmmmm.......This is concerning".
A far more realistic expectation of reaction to the world we live in is "Holy Crap, This is some scary **it, happening here".

During and in the days after 9/11 I was indeed afraid as were many.

But take Iraq as a prime example.

Knowing what we know now, there was no evidence to support fearing Iraq...but there was evidence for serious concern.

Yet, the public's position on Iraq was driven entirly by fear which was intentionally marketed to us.

As such there was insufficient objectivity among those who enforce accountability (Congress and the people).

The result has been a string of terrible and corrupt policy which has done great harm to our Nation.

-spence

I need a little while to sort through the candidates and to really pick the brains of my liberal friends. But below are a couple of candidate/party observations from me, a conservative so far...

1.) I have noticed that the majority of the libs cannot stand John Kerry and want his name out of the proceedings as soon as possible.

2.) The rhetoric that Hilary is "too polarizing" isn't rhetoric, it is truth. Even within the Dem. party.

3.) The new and improved Al Gore has actually gained some ground among his peers.

4.) Bigtime Washington players and the Old Guard Old Money Democrats portray Howard Dean as a raging lunatic and publicly scoff at him, but the youth movement within the party think that by 2012 his "Grass Roots" approach will pay dividends.


anyone...anyone...?

I am sure which ever connected affluent person gets in there they won't have a clue as to how the average American lives his or hers life.:doh:

Doesn't matter who is in there....they all suck!:bsod: :btu:


By the time they get to the upper levels they are jaded if not when they started. Its the system and world they become part of.... that needs to change.... don`t know if its possible.

I wouldn't say they all suck, but a lot of them and perhaps even a majority certainly do.

But these are the people who heavily influence our day to day lives, at least indirectly. Apathy is no answer.

More term limits could be part of the problem, but I'd argue that greater transparency in Government could really help.

-spence

Doesn't matter who is in there....they all suck!:bsod:

but emmett kelly jr wouldnt be a bad choice . Linda lovelace sucks too

Linda lovelace sucks too


Not any More

oh yeah forgot she passed away . sorry to her , her family , anyone who knew her , her priest , her accountant and her garbage man and any one she knew better than others .

One thing is form sure,
We will be done with George W
Thank God !!!
Thats my prediction !!!

I know it's early, but I'd like to go on the record stating that I think Joe Biden will be the 44th President of the United States.

Why?

Biden possess an objective intellect and a focus on both tactical and strategic means to an end. He's not a partisan and probably has a better grasp on the Iraq issue than 95% of Congress.

In fact Biden's strategy on Iraq seems to align exactly with all the objective expert advice I've read. Those who say the Dems don't have a plan had better be prepared to eat their words.

Biden possess character, this is a man who commuted to work in Washington every day to be with his children after his wife was killed early in his career.

Certainly a long standing politician has skeletons in the closet, but doing my homework I've found most of these (like the old GOP plagiarism mantra) to be on very weak footing.

Please discuss.

-spence


Ok - I'll discuss -- there is no way such a disgustingly egotistical know-it-all severe partisan like Biden will be our next Pres.

Now go out fishing...

Ok - I'll discuss -- there is no way such a disgustingly egotistical know-it-all severe partisan like Biden will be our next Pres.

Now go out fishing...
:bgi: I knew I could drum up a bottom feeder :chatter :wave:

Too bad you didn't supply any argument, but a personal attack is a good start. I hope you give a little more effort professionally ;)

Give me a ring, I'm heading out this weekend...hopefully.

-spence

One thing is form sure,
We will be done with George W
Thank God !!!
Thats my prediction !!!

Hope you enjoy that bitch Hillary instead.

Only someone from the far left will get nominated by the Dems. Any kind of moderate Dem has no chance in hell. Just look at what happened to Lieberman in Conn. If you're not a hard core leftist, you will not get the nomination. Thats already been determined. And America will not elect a hardcore leftest to be president, it will never happen.

:bgi: I knew I could drum up a bottom feeder :chatter :wave:

Too bad you didn't supply any argument, but a personal attack is a good start. I hope you give a little more effort professionally ;)

-spence


So you want to get personal, huh... :smash: :jester:


I think the words I used to describe him give a pretty good basis for an argument. Suffice it to say no additional words are needed to describe him. Put it this way Spence, the way you feel about Rick Santorum is the way I feel about Biden.

He is simply a serial partisan with an ego much too large for a credible politician.

By the way, I don't really feel like typing it all out here but I've read enough about his voting record on social issues, foreign policy, immigration, family values, econimic issues, and specific partisan-type issues (i.e. voted against Justices Roberts & Alito) to justify how I feel about him.

Joe, if Santorum and Biden were in a room today...who do you think could articulate a better strategy for success in Iraq?

-spence

Ya know Spence - your guess is as good as mine because neither of us know the answer to that. I've certainly heard nothing rational from Biden's mouth short of the typical democrat partisan party-line BS...

Ya know Spence - your guess is as good as mine because neither of us know the answer to that. I've certainly heard nothing rational from Biden's mouth short of the typical democrat partisan party-line BS...
Like what?

And please be specific...because recently he's been about the only person in Washinton who's talking any sense.

-spence

Like what?

And please be specific...because recently he's been about the only person in Washinton who's talking any sense.

-spence"My state is a slave state.":uhoh:

"My state is a slave state.":uhoh:
Not sure what you mean???

Here's the full text.

http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=256095&&

-spence

I am worried about the viability of a Democratic president. I am not a huge fan of Biden, I think Hillary would tear the party up, I don't think Kerry should run again and I think Al Gore is a better film maker than politician these days. As much as it pains me I think it is 4 more years for the GOP. McCain or Gullinani I believe have the kind of broad appeal that one needs to connect with the modern electriate.

I think the most positive thing I can say on the topic from the perpective of a liberal partiot is it will not be W and Chaney.

Not sure what you mean???

Here's the full text.

http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=256095&&

-spenceHere's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFduMuP7v-k

Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFduMuP7v-k
Still don't get it...

Delaware isn't Mass...that's all he's saying :confused:

-spence

I am worried about the viability of a Democratic president. I am not a huge fan of Biden, I think Hillary would tear the party up, I don't think Kerry should run again and I think Al Gore is a better film maker than politician these days. As much as it pains me I think it is 4 more years for the GOP. McCain or Gullinani I believe have the kind of broad appeal that one needs to connect with the modern electriate.

I think the most positive thing I can say on the topic from the perpective of a liberal partiot is it will not be W and Chaney.
Good points...

So what is it about Biden you don't like?

-spence

Good points...

So what is it about Biden you don't like?

-spence

My lack of enthusiasm for Biden does not come from such a finely reasoned and rational point of view as your support of him clearly does. My memories of him from both the Bork and Thomas hearings were less than favorable. His earlier run which ended in him folding in the midest of plagerism alligations wasn't that great. He is terriably verbous. And there s something about hom that strikes me as elite or out of touch.

I do think that his message is SPOT ON. Both from an Iraq perspective and even more insightfully pointing out that terrorism is just ONE of the evils that make so many in this country unsafe and unsecure.

I just do not think that the current electorate will be able to over look the shortcoming of the senator. And therefror I am not a fan and do not think he would be a viable option as the democatic presidential hopeful.

My lack of enthusiasm for Biden does not come from such a finely reasoned and rational point of view as your support of him clearly does. My memories of him from both the Bork and Thomas hearings were less than favorable. His earlier run which ended in him folding in the midest of plagerism alligations wasn't that great. He is terriably verbous. And there s something about hom that strikes me as elite or out of touch.

I do think that his message is SPOT ON. Both from an Iraq perspective and even more insightfully pointing out that terrorism is just ONE of the evils that make so many in this country unsafe and unsecure.

I just do not think that the current electorate will be able to over look the shortcoming of the senator. And therefror I am not a fan and do not think he would be a viable option as the democatic presidential hopeful.
I appreciate the well reasoned response.

A person is a work in progress, anyone who becomes President has skeletons and someone who's been in the public eye will likely have many more.

But I believe voters care much more about where someone is going than where they have been. Kerry couldn't get over this hump and the void was quickly filled by his opponents. It's precisely that Biden has vision to lead the debate is why I think he'll be a success.

From what I've read (was too young to remember) the entire plaigarism scandal was handeled poorly, but was also quite overblown.

Sure Biden can come off as slick (he's one of the best dressed in the entire Congress!) and he certainly can be verbose...but it's a different verbosity than Kerry. Kerry just spun his wheels, Biden talks but his words really have meaning. It's something to be worked on for sure, but I don't see this as a show stopper.

The people are hungry for some real leadership...they don't want a repeat of the last two elections driven by Karl Rove's antics. The people want substance...it's going to be different this time around.

-spence

My vote is on Romney. I really like what I have seen. Dont know his international view yet. He'll need a strong plan.

My vote is on Romney. I really like what I have seen. Dont know his international view yet. He'll need a strong plan.

And he's squeeky clean

And he's squeeky clean
I'm not sure if anyone with that sort of a career can ever be squeaky clean ;)

He's a strong candidate, and someone I'd consider...while he's a solid executive, he lacks the foreign policy experience of a Joe Biden...which will be important.

But most importantly, he may be considered too much of an outsider to the GOP establishment to get party support. The existing power structure is primarily concerned with maintaining the GOP majority...Mitt's independent side could seriously jeopardize this.

-spence

Not to mention that the right wing christian nut jobs will be very leery of a Mormon....too cultish and out there......

Not to mention that the right wing christian nut jobs will be very leery of a Mormon....too cultish and out there......
That is very true...

Although I have found mormons to be a bit freaky at times, generally speaking they are incredibly nice and genuine people. A pleasure to hang with.

-spence

That is very true...

Although I have found mormons to be a bit freaky at times, generally speaking they are incredibly nice and genuine people. A pleasure to hang with.

-spence


Yes, except for that one man and three, four women thing...which adds anotehr whole twist to the gay marriage debate for the elections! :eek:

Yes, except for that one man and three, four women thing...which adds anotehr whole twist to the gay marriage debate for the elections! :eek:
Well, I don't think the number of Mormons that practice it is really that high...perhaps about 5 percent?

-spence

Sorry to get off subject....

was only being facetious about the multiple wives. But have heard 5-10%........


I have always liked Joe Biden.......

What about Bill Richardson?

More than one wife????....Makes about as much sense as "More than one kick in the nads" :hee:

What about Bill Richardson?
He's got a lot of good qualities...a bit goofy at times.

-spence

Ahhh, A Fireside Chat with Spence :eyes:

Biden isn't bad but a little Used Car salesman like, high end used cars like Benz & Bentleys, but Used Car Salesman slickiness, like Sheldon Whitehouse...

Romney doesn't do squat for me...

Hmmm, who else are we looking at? Who besides McCain, Biden, and Clinton do you think will run and has a minor or above chance?

Biden vs Giuliani in The Battle of the Bad Combovers. Is America ready for a balding President :D

On a serious note---candidates from states with 3 electoral votes rarely get to run, and even more rarely get elected.

I am sure which ever connected affluent person gets in there they won't have a clue as to how the average American lives his or hers life.:doh:

Not that it has anything to do with the presidential election but did anyone catch Fox 25 last night flying over Healy's houses and a few of the other canidates?? PM hit it right on the head these people don't have a friggin clue as to the average American lives !!

Biden isn't bad but a little Used Car salesman like, high end used cars like Benz & Bentleys, but Used Car Salesman slickiness, like Sheldon Whitehouse...

Hmmm, who else are we looking at? Who besides McCain, Biden, and Clinton do you think will run and has a minor or above chance?
Biden is easily one of the best dressed in Congress...perhaps that's why I like him :hee:

McCain will be a tough candidate, but unless he can get the GOP nod well in advance of the primaries I think the GOP could shred itsself in the process.

Same goes for Hillary. If the DNC was smart they would hash all this out so the primary process is just an exercise to reinforce the platform.

But we all know how little common sense there can be come voting season :yak4:

-spence

McCains age is a factor.

I will most likely be harrased for this but I still like John Dean. Too left you say -well maybe we need a little left to make up for the fascist we have running our gov. now. No international experience - what did George II have . Did you hear him this morning on the Today show -the man can't string a sentence together.

I hear Mrs. Bush is running because George doesn't want to move just yet.:cheers:

I will most likely be harrased for this but I still like John Dean. Too left you say -well maybe we need a little left to make up for the fascist we have running our gov. now. No international experience - what did George II have . Did you hear him this morning on the Today show -the man can't string a sentence together.


Ah yes those evil right wing fascists! Its funny though, guys like you with your radical views, and pure hatred for Bush, never show any anger toward the real evil fascists in this world today, you know, radical islam. You have more anger towards Bush than the radicals who want us killed. Its truly sad and i feel sorry for you.

Ah yes those evil right wing fascists! Its funny though, guys like you with your radical views, and pure hatred for Bush, never show any anger toward the real evil fascists in this world today, you know, radical islam. You have more anger towards Bush than the radicals who want us killed. Its truly sad and i feel sorry for you.


It might be because being struck at home is disturbing to some :scatter:

I will most likely be harrased for this but I still like John Dean.
I think you meant Howard Dean?

As an aside, John Dean's new book "Conservatives Without Conscience" is really good :hee:

-spence