Steve just called me from Quaker lane to relay the news of two fish over 60lbs on the hook right now at the shop caught by the same angler! They were caught on live bunker....The daytime fishing right now is tremendous and its unusual for us here in Rhody to have a run of adult bunker like this in September...I have been hitting some spots I would never hit in daytime and livelining Bunker, its almost imediate bass...and there are lots of fish in the 5 to 9 foot of water range in broad daylight........there out there in force , a change of tactics is all thats needed and remember, FRESH dead chunked bunker is also deadly but it has to be fresh.....Bring on the snag hooks! Cant wait for tommorow morning, !:jump:

What a waste! Who needs 120# of fish? Only someone with major self-esteem issues would kill TWO fish like that in the same day.



please open another thread if you want to discuss what is appropriate or not.

unecessary

Congrats to the angler, i cant even imagine what a 60 looks like in person..when i had my 44" in close it looked as big as me!

Hey, Numbskull , I Dont think that fisherman gives a rats arse what you think.......:laugha:

And why would I care about that? Doesn't change the fact that it's still pathetic and it hurts the resource for the rest of us.

I want to say WOW and sad for the missing life force now... nice catch but............. Mixed thoughts here. Why keep both... I know it must have been exciting and a difficult choice.

if someone told you he caught two 60's and threw them back - would you belive him?

Awesome...........Two fish over 60lbs is one hell of an accomplishment not to mention the rush that must have gone along
with that catch. What he does with them is his business.

Unless he brought in more than 2 he was perfectly legal. Who are we to say what somebody else does with their fish?

I just can't imagine a 60 surviving a fight. No way I'd be able to bring one in in time for me to be confidant enough that my releasing it would guarantee it's survival. (I know, they have a better chance than if in the cooler.) Hard for me to imagine a 60, I've never broken 30. I guess it all depends on how many pounds of fish you have harvested over your life. I have kept less than 10 bass in over 10 years of fishing. I love to eat em' but I mostly want to ketch em'. BTW, was the fisherman on the SB stripercup team?http://pdhomes.net/music/isleofjersey/graphics/eyebrows.gif

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, a question for you, if I may. Daytime, and bunker :cool:

Boat Fish?

Big Bunker :drool:.. would love to see them up here, but we have seals who would clean them out... I gonna give them a Rhody map ;)

this kinda confirms to me, after all the other variables, and reports I've heard, that once again, the larger fish didn't quite make it far enuf north to my area.. still hoping for a good run on the new moon..

John, we need a praying emoticon, for us sand bound cape guys.

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Unless he brought in more than 2 he was perfectly legal. Who are we to say what somebody else does with their fish?
There's nothing wrong with debating the issue, although I'd try to stay clear of personal judgements...unless the person was poaching.

Given that I would rather eat a smaller fish, and that a 60 is more laden with toxic crap anyway, I'd probably have a tough time keeping a fish that big unless I was going to have it mounted.

But, considering how this season is going...I'm not too worried about having to make any difficult decisions anytime soon :rolleyes:

-spence

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, a question for you, if I may. Daytime, and bunker :cool:

Boat Fish?

Big Bunker :drool:.. would love to see them up here, but we have seals who would clean them out... I gonna give them a Rhody map ;)

this kinda confirms to me, after all the other variables, and reports I've heard, that once again, the larger fish didn't quite make it far enuf north to my area.. still hoping for a good run on the new moon..

John, we need a praying emoticon, for us sand bound cape guys.

Yes my fish this week are out of my boat, however , trust me when I say I am almost on the beach....I am just able to cover more water and the livewell helps to keep the bunker fresh;) Two days this week I fished with Jim White and we did very well, Steve was with us one day and broke one off that was close to 50 we saw it.... Until this dries up, you wont see me at night, there is no reason. Its cool, you have a fish on and there are 5 or 6 others following it right to the boat and some of them are brutes!

Fishaholic18 stole clammers tin boat and did very well today with bunker...I will let him tell ya!

There's nothing wrong with debating the issue, although I'd try to stay clear of personal judgements...unless the person was poaching.

Given that I would rather eat a smaller fish, and that a 60 is more laden with toxic crap anyway, I'd probably have a tough time keeping a fish that big unless I was going to have it mounted.

But, considering how this season is going...I'm not too worried about having to make any difficult decisions anytime soon :rolleyes:

-spence


There really is nothing to debate here? Its legal to keep two fish and thats that....The post before was right, if those fish didnt go to the tackle store...Evereyone would call the guy a liar.. I am sorry 60 pound fish dont get to swim again........

good to know there's some big fish around

if someone told you he caught two 60's and threw them back - would you belive him?
Nope...
I'd keep 'em...Both. I'd throw the 3rd one back..:)

And I aggree, screw eels and nights, While there are Bunker around, I'll sleep at night.
No 60's but plenty of 30's to be had 2day and Man it was nice out there.....
BTW, congrats to the angler, that's quite an accomplishment....

ok

There really is nothing to debate here? Its legal to keep two fish and thats that....The post before was right, if those fish didnt go to the tackle store...Evereyone would call the guy a liar..
It's a debate about conservation...people do it all the time.

-spence

Anyone need crew?????????

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, were these two 60's boat or shore fish? I'm assuming boat. Either way, two 60's in one day is quite a feat :eek:

two sixties in a lifetime is quite a feat!
two sixties in a day, is nothing short of amazing!:drool:

Never landed anything bigger than a 30. Lost some bigger but not landed. Awesome feat. Did I mention I have a huge grill and cold beer but need drum sticks.

Obviously any one hear bitching about keeping two 60's has never caught a big fish ever. Especially when it happens you have no idea the size because the sheer shock of size can be overwhelming. SO...until you have been there it is better to be...you know zipped up.

Congrats to...whom ever!!!!:kewl:

Obviously any one hear bitching about keeping two 60's has never caught a big fish ever. Especially when it happens you have no idea the size because the sheer shock of size can be overwhelming. SO...until you have been there it is better to be...you know zipped up.

Congrats to...whom ever!!!!:kewl:
:kewl: :kewl:

And why would I care about that? Doesn't change the fact that it's still pathetic and it hurts the resource for the rest of us.
How does it hurt the resource?
I didn't think cows that large were breaders anyway, correct me if I'm wrong. The chances of them living after a probably long, hard battle was probably slim to none anyhow.:point:

Good for whoever. Nothing wrong with taking 2 legal sized fish. The government has set the daily posession limit for recreational anglers at 2 fish a day. Sounds like he got his 2 fish, good for him.

All I know is..I want pics.
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All I know is..I want pics.
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Me too.

Obviously any one hear bitching about keeping two 60's has never caught a big fish ever. Especially when it happens you have no idea the size because the sheer shock of size can be overwhelming. SO...until you have been there it is better to be...you know zipped up.

Congrats to...whom ever!!!!:kewl:

You are wrong on that. I've released two 49's on the same day 20 minutes apart (boat fish/Miacomet/jigs/october 96), and I fish with a guy who set free a 48, 54, and 56 from the beach all in the same night. Whether you believe it or not is of no significance to me.

Furthermore, the need to kill fish to "confirm" your achievement indicates that the achievement itself is insufficent, rather what you are fishing for is praise and recognition from others, not just fish or food. If you need that, and that's part of why you fish, well then so be it, though most good fisherman eventually grow out of that phase. Enough said.

You are wrong on that. I've released two 49's on the same day 20 minutes apart (boat fish/Miacomet/jigs/october 96), and I fish with a guy who set free a 48, 54, and 56 from the beach all in the same night. Whether you believe it or not is of no significance to me.

Furthermore, the need to kill fish to "confirm" your achievement indicates that the achievement itself is insufficent, rather what you are fishing for is praise and recognition from others, not just fish or food. If you need that, and that's part of why you fish, well then so be it, though most good fisherman eventually grow out of that phase. Enough said.

No Not enough said, the guy was within his right to keep both fish under the law.....Do you walk around telling everyone to release there legal fish? I Have news for you, this guy has caught many fish over 50...he has nothing to prove. Anyway I am happy for him, and he can do what ever he wants with his two fish...May be he has a large family!

Here is another fish caught the same time, same area....55lbs.....There were some HUGE FISH CAUGHT YESTERDAY!
THIS COW WENT 55 POUNDS! all these fish are from RISAA members.....Congrats!

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Here is the previous guys pal....with a 53lber! man what a day! I cant wait to see those 60s..........Bunker ...its all about the bunker:bo: I am outta here to go try and catch one!!

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Congrats :kewl:

Congratulations to the angler!!! I'd keep both as well. That would give me an excuse to show up at people's houses with fish for them to eat while I tell them the story of TWO SIXTY POUND FISH IN ONE DAY!!

WOW!

I saw a guy catch one of those COWS at the service area of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge & Tunnel. I thought he was going to kill himself on the rocks trying to get it in. That was the first real big striper I had ever seen, I guess thats when saltwater fishing started to get in my blood. I was stationed a stones throw from the bridge back in the middle 60's.

Congrats to any one taking their two fish limit! And doing what ever they want to do with them. It's America you know! Being that some here also fish before and after the selling season, we release quite a few beauties back in to the system.
If we kept all the fish we were allowed to keep legally in the past, you would have a no fish to release today.We conserved in the past so you could enjoy what we have today. If a person wants to keep there two fish of a life time, so be it. I remember being chastised when I was young. It was my first big fish. It was 38 pounds. My biggest to that time was about 12 pounds. I was told at the tackle shop, actually yelled at, that in October "I" should be letting these fish go back south. This conservation person built this dynasty they have to day on the whole sale slaughter of stripers. You see they were the biggest commercial buyers in the area. Now that they wiped out the industry and made there millions they had become conservationlest. Get over it! We keep them because we can! My partner looks at the big fish and says, boy, I sure fooled you! I pick them up by ther jaw, "KISS" them on the fore head, look them all in there black eyes and say to them, be more carefull the next time! And I let them go back into the water. Its my choice to do this, however, its done after our leagal limit!:cool:
Peace to all!, Later, L

I don't think most people (MOST) keep COWS to gain personal recognition. Maybe it is a sign of personal achievement to themself for alot of hard work and hard fishing. He was as #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& said within his legal right to keep those fish and I think its great for him! It is nobody elses business what he does with what is his! We are free in this country to have choices, and he chose to keep what he has earned just as many would choose to release them if they wish! I also believe they may not survive the fight so better they are kept than release to flounder and die! Worry more about those who not act within the boundary of the law than those who do! Big difference someone keeping 3 30 inch fish than 2 60 pound fish as far as I am concerned! I think fishing is no different than deer hunting....you make a decision on what you will take.....be it a doe or a 12 point buck! Are the deer hunters also looking for a trophy? I think so....if they are going to take one why not make it a memorable one at the same time?

I just hope he had a BIG COOLER!!!!!

Congrats to them on those cows,
and it's their right to do what they want with them !!!

thats a very good question dave..........i'll look into that....

2x 60lb breeders = x amount eggs per year or not? :think:

.........................that dude must have a larger freezer.....:rolleyes:
.................................................. ........to hold 70lbs of filet's

.........................that dude must have a larger freezer.....:rolleyes:
.................................................. ........to hold 70lbs of filet's

The meat will go in the dumpster and the fish will be made into a skin mount.. thats my guess.

Remember folks, bass were almost fished to extinction in the 80's and most everyone was fishing within the legal limits..

Nice catch :kewl:

Fishaholic,
Generally speaking...BIG bass do still spawn, but just every 4-5 years. So a fish that big has to be over 20 years old and it's spawning days are few and far between. Big bass can lay upto 5,000,000 eggs per spawn. Smaller bass between 10-20 pounds, generally speaking will spawn every year laying approximately 850.000 -1.2 million a year, untill they become bigger, when they will begin spawning every other year or every 4-5 years as cow's. Fish in the 30 pound class probably produce the most on a regular basis.

Big fish after big battles will sometimes croak, but if you go in the water and take time with them, they usually do survive. Some people think that the fish is dead or dying, but it is really just tired. It would be like you wrestling for ten minutes. If I just wrestle someone for ten minutes, I'd just lay there too and beg you to kill me. Being patient with a big fish will pay a nice dividen. That being seeing a big cow disappear in the the night water.

In terms of what to do??? You caught it, it is your choice. You have earned the right to decide. No answer is wrong.

We dont seem to demand that people drive 50 mph when the law says its a 65 mph zone. If theres an issue with the current regulation than the regulation should be argued but criticizing someone for complying with that regulation doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

I really don`t know what I would do... Biggest I`ve ever caught was mid thirties....all from shore.

I would be wildly stoked and probably keep them just to show them.... not that that is a good reason.

If the eggs have a better biological breeding capacity from huge females than that is another factor that would cause me regret later on.

Be nice if you could confirm the weights with photos and still release them but that is an extremely unlikely scenario if not impossible.


Must have been something :bl: Nice catching :claps:

Two sixties in a day is a feat, course, you all know my feelings on live bait and from a boat to boot. The hard part was getting the bait.

George, some people have a dire need for noteriety, thus hanging meat on a hook outside a tackle shop. It verifies for them a need to be seen and noticed, chest thumping so to say. Incessant picture taking of every bass is, well...... "Hey look at me". I know, I went through that stage, it will pass. It brings more grief than anything else. Really good fishermen keep their mouths shut and ears open and no one really knows what they are catching, where and when and how. They know and they don't talk.

You and I know what we have been doing and I know that like me, you wear a smile when you go into a shop and someone asks you how you have been doing and you say, "alright" and end it there.

Now all these big bass on a plug would be a real angling feat.

And lastly those guys wouldn't really understand what it is to release 3 50's in a night, not yet at least. I lost count of all the fish I could have registered for the Cup, you know you were with me and that's all the statisfaction I need.

Moon was pretty coming up from the east over my left shoulder last night all orange with the wind on my right cheek and the added the sound of a screaming drag and it was near perfect.

Two sixties in a day is a feat, course, you all know my feelings on live bait and from a boat to boot. The hard part was getting the bait.

George, some people have a dire need for noteriety, thus hanging meat on a hook outside a tackle shop. It verifies for them a need to be seen and noticed, chest thumping so to say. Incessant picture taking of every bass is, well...... "Hey look at me". I know, I went through that stage, it will pass. It brings more grief than anything else. Really good fishermen keep their mouths shut and ears open and no one really knows what they are catching, where and when and how. They know and they don't talk.

You and I know what we have been doing and I know that like me, you wear a smile when you go into a shop and someone asks you how you have been doing and you say, "alright" and end it there.

Now all these big bass on a plug would be a real angling feat.

And lastly those guys wouldn't really understand what it is to release 3 50's in a night, not yet at least. I lost count of all the fish I could have registered for the Cup, you know you were with me and that's all the statisfaction I need.

Moon was pretty coming up from the east over my left shoulder last night all orange with the wind on my right cheek and the added the sound of a screaming drag and it was near perfect.


Flap, you are so full of it I think you need higher boots.....Maybe you should take more pics....you may be more credible with the proof...:kewl: unnecessary personal attack - edited by JR .........Its easy to take a digital camara to the beach and snap a shot of all these so called cows....

60s go in the cooler...

No Not enough said, the guy was within his right to keep both fish under the law.....Do you walk around telling everyone to release there legal fish? I Have news for you, this guy has caught many fish over 50...he has nothing to prove. Anyway I am happy for him, and he can do what ever he wants with his two fish...May be he has a large family!

I'm not questioning his right to keep 2 fish.

I don't tell anyone what to do about anything anymore, I've lived long enough to know it doesn't work and I'm often wrong.

How many fish someone has caught in the past is not "news" I care about.

If he has "nothing to prove", then why show them off at a tackle store?

For selfish reasons ONLY, I wish those two massive bass each had large families, instead of the fisherman.

Situations where big bass set up on bunker and get slaughtered by experienced fisherman have happened in the past and most involved seem to feel both fortunate and regretful in retrospect.

Until I see convincing evidence to the contrary, I see the slot limits and a 1 fish "trophy exemption" as the best way to manage a SPORT fishery.

I hope you get your #60. I hope even more you find what you are fishing for.

Good Luck.

Remember folks, bass were almost fished to extinction in the 80's and most everyone was fishing within the legal limits..

Nice catch :kewl:

Eben:

I agree 100%. People forget that. It's not an unlimited resource. Yup, it's "legal" to keep those fish but is it responsible??


Well, whatever everyone's opinion is with regard to keeping or releasing 2 fish like that (especially the 2nd fish after one is already in the cooler), DJ Muller you sound like an ignorant idiot saying that noone who has caught a 60LB fish like those has the right to give an opinion.

Why did he, 59.3 and 59.8, have to be fishing in the same tournies as me this weekend ( a purely rhetorical question? I know we are all fish junkies ) Evidently 53.8# doesn't go as far as it used to. Sidenote, a 50# fish or larger will not go back in the water when it hits my deck. I eat, sleep, breathe fish and work way too hard, plus I'm vain, to let it go.

I'm not questioning his right to keep 2 fish.

I don't tell anyone what to do about anything anymore, I've lived long enough to know it doesn't work and I'm often wrong.

How many fish someone has caught in the past is not "news" I care about.

If he has "nothing to prove", then why show them off at a tackle store?

For selfish reasons ONLY, I wish those two massive bass each had large families, instead of the fisherman.

Situations where big bass set up on bunker and get slaughtered by experienced fisherman have happened in the past and most involved seem to feel both fortunate and regretful in retrospect.

Until I see convincing evidence to the contrary, I see the slot limits and a 1 fish "trophy exemption" as the best way to manage a SPORT fishery.

I hope you get your #60. I hope even more you find what you are fishing for.

Good Luck.
I am quite satisfied with my lowley 53lber thank you....Should a 60 be in the cards ....so be it.

I dont blame him one bit for keeping those fish, a 60 is quite a fish...acually I was wrong, there were two guys on the boat so, each kept his own...that makes one fish for each guy...they each got a 60...congrats! They made one stop, at the tackle store and that was because they new the guys working there and wanted tro show them, neither of these fish is dectined for any tourneys at all...its a personal accomplishment. the other two fish shown above, those are destined for tourneys.

Eben:

I agree 100%. People forget that. It's not an unlimited resource. Yup, it's "legal" to keep those fish but is it responsible??


Well, whatever everyone's opinion is with regard to keeping or releasing 2 fish like that (especially the 2nd fish after one is already in the cooler), DJ Muller you sound like an ignorant idiot saying that noone who has caught a 60LB fish like those has the right to give an opinion.


Yes joe, but man.arent we stretching things a bit here?? we are talking about two fish?? not total anhilation?? there are set quotas now etc.... just so that cannot happen again.......the rules are nothing like they once were..



Also those fish once on the boat were just about dead. there could have been no release...

No names mentioned, but the 59+ fish(es) I'm talking about just bumped my fish in the Cape Calssic ( $ 2000 thank you ), the monthly On the Water, and both fish in the Fisherman. If in fact we are not talking the same guy from RI then we can add 2 more large taken yesterday to this thread. I know I'm fishing a lot this week comin'.

..acually I was wrong, there were two guys on the boat so, each kept his own...that makes one fish for each guy...they each got a 60...congrats! .

Agreed.

I know there are differeing opinions on Frank Daignault however each of us feels about the guy aside...He did say something that I agree with 100% taken from hios forum on another website "Anyone claiming to realease a fish of 50lbs or better has to be looked upon with raised eyebrows" " To be proven and credible it must be weighed in and documented" "or else anyone can say anything"

Another words, if you cant prove it, it never happened...........

.............60s go in the cooler...


So do 50's

17126

Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, beats a live bunker for slob sized bass.

Back here in NJ, I took two 50's in 11 months on live bunkers and didn't regret keeping them. It was the payoff for all the money spent, all the days I went to work with no sleep, all the arguments with da'wife, and all the years chasing them. Would I keep another one? Depends on the situation/condition of the fish.

Glad to see you guys finding the bunkers up there, enjoy it while it lasts, and lets hope they stay around a while.

So do 50's

17126

Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, beats a live bunker for slob sized bass.

Back here in NJ, I took two 50's in 11 months on live bunkers and didn't regret keeping them. It was the payoff for all the money spent, all the days I went to work with no sleep, all the arguments with da'wife, and all the years chasing them. Would I keep another one? Depends on the situation/condition of the fish.

Glad to see you guys finding the bunkers up there, enjoy it while it lasts, and lets hope they stay around a while.


:kewl: :kewl: :claps: :claps: Congrats , you have the right Idea and , Nice fish!!

Having to decide wether to keep two sixties is a nice problem to have.
Congrats.
I hope I have that problem some day.
Like Spence, I'll never make a personel judgement on this. BTW, the small ones do taste better, I wish there was slot for 15" fish. Its perfectly legal. I'm sure he releases his share of fish.
Congrats again.

Congrats to all the fisherman with the Legal 50's & 60's !!!
Great accomplishment on rod n reel.
These are Trophy fish !!! Congrats to all striper fisherman
because our efforts releasing fish etc ... have made it
possible for this to take place.

Eben:
DJ Muller you sound like an ignorant idiot saying that noone who has caught a 60LB fish like those has the right to give an opinion.

I think what DJ meant was, until it happpens to you, you cant really say "Yeah I'm gonna release it", ya know, "Walk a mile in my shoes" kinda thing ;). Lemme tell ya, when you have that big slob laying at your feet your heart will be beating a 1000 times a minute. You'll be in a fog and release is not the first picture that comes into your head.


A question for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&: Are these fish in the bunker schools, or are you getting bunkers and leaving for a different spot? Reason I ask is here in NJ, we fish the bunker schools, get right in em, snag and drop em down and pencil poppers thru the schools will get big hits :). Man, let em be there next weekend :D

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Moon was pretty coming up from the east over my left shoulder last night all orange with the wind on my right cheek and the added the sound of a screaming drag and it was near perfect.

Well yeah, but that wasn't the drag, that was my Newell's tired bearings. And to be honest with you, I'd rather have rain, snow, bugs, wind, plauge, and pestilence if it brought a few of those #60's over my way.

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, I've seen Flap catch a lot of good fish and he is probably the best plug fisherman I know. He ought'a be, given how long and hard he has been fishing. I don't think, however, that he considers fishing a competitive sport.

Yes joe, but man.arent we stretching things a bit here?? we are talking about two fish?? not total anhilation?? there are set quotas now etc.... just so that cannot happen again.......the rules are nothing like they once were..



Also those fish once on the boat were just about dead. there could have been no release...


Billy-

I agree with you - just 2 fish in this case. And I was going to say alot depends on if the fish were even releasable - so if they were not then there's no question here.

I just get pissed when some guy says I (and others) can't have an opinion on something like that. That tweaked me...

By the way, I just missed those fish at the shop because I was there an hour earlier talking to Steve. I would have loved to have seen them.

I am pictured with my dad on p.2. Let clear up #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s comments about the catch and method, there was no bunker involved. I have not seen pogie in my neck of the woods for months!

By the way, I just missed those fish at the shop because I was there an hour earlier talking to Steve. I would have loved to have seen them.


You would lose sleep if ya saw them lol. It's one thing to see a picture, but to see a fish that size in the flesh, and maybe even get to touch it........ well, that would drive ya to drink :err: I gaffed and held a 60# that my buddy Brian took a few years back, it makes my 50's look small :(

The meat will go in the dumpster and the fish will be made into a skin mount.. thats my guess.

Remember folks, bass were almost fished to extinction in the 80's and most everyone was fishing within the legal limits..

Nice catch :kewl:
Eben:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I'd like to refute all of the doom and gloom sayers about ruining the resource because of 2 60# fish killed.
It is a fact that, except in very rare instances, 50 and 60 pound fish don't have viable roe. In fact, I can quote a number of sources who have documented the fact that the roe in older fish is grey, not alive and viable (white or pink) as it is in younger breeding females. It's the same reason that 60 year old female humans don't have many babies. Their eggs are infertile. there's a hell of a lot more damage done to the resource during the commercial season in the states where it's legal. Not that I have a problem with it. Just making a point.
The second point, and of equal importance, is that regardless of whether the fish were surf caught or boat caught, they would have built up huge amounts of lactic acid and would most certianly die if released. These are old fish remember.
The third point and most important is I find it hysterical to read all there guys who claim they would release a 60. BS!!
I've done this for going on 40 years and never caught a 50. I've killed a ton of high 40s though and I'm telling you there isn't a guy on this board that wouldn't keep a 60. If you say you would release it: I DON't BELIEVE YOU!!!

Finally, congrats to Joe!!! Great Job!!!

I am pictured with my dad on p.2. Let clear up #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s comments about the catch and method, there was no bunker involved. I have not seen pogie in my neck of the woods for months!


Yes, the two other fish were caught on pogies!

If I were lucky enough to get two 60s in a day, the second one would probably go back. But that's just me. I can't criticize anyone for keeping two 60s. It's something that doesn't happen every day

As far as no one believing I got two--hogwash. Let's say one guy got both of those 60s and walked into a shop to weigh them. Let's say he released a number of high 40s and 2 50s that day. If he was to mention, "It was a hell of a day--I put back a bunch of high 40s and 2that were over 50", would anyone in the shop doubt his word for a minute? Only the most jaded skeptic would say, "yeah right :rollem: " Because the proof that the guy was into big fish, and had the skill to boat them, is hanging right there on the scale. Why should it be any different if the same guy walked into a shop with one 60 and told the proprietor, "I released another one about the same size"? You know what? It wouldn't be any different. No one would doubt it. Face it, a 60 hanging on a scale gives you instant credibility.

Eben:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I'd like to refute all of the doom and gloom sayers about ruining the resource because of 2 60# fish killed.


no gloom and doom from me, just pointing out that alot of people kill alot of bass and often forget where the bass were at one point. If i had caught one of those 60's i would have probably killed it, but it would also be one of one or two fish i keep all year.

those who feel entitled to catch and kill as many fish as possible within thier limits (2 fish a day everyday) disturb me and often makes me wonder how much $$ they are getting a pound on the black market. Those who keep more than their legal limits and feel that they are justified 'because everyone else are doing it' are the scum of the earth...

Whether they still breed at that size and are effective at it is a big question mark, but the fact remains, they're more worthwhile in the water than they are on the wall.

It is a fact that, except in very rare instances, 50 and 60 pound fish don't have viable roe. In fact, I can quote a number of sources who have documented the fact that the roe in older fish is grey, not alive and viable (white or pink) as it is in younger breeding females. .

Could you please support this information with a link. It is the opposite of what I understand to be true.

The second point, and of equal importance, is that regardless of whether the fish were surf caught or boat caught, they would have built up huge amounts of lactic acid and would most certianly die if released.


Wrong, for the same reason runners don't die when their muscles are fatigued. It is the rare fish (bass at least) that can't be revived if appropriately handled, though I acknowledge that many fisherman do not do the latter and that undeniably some fish that appear OK on release die later.

That many people need to rationalize killing them indicates that at some level they are uncomfortable doing it (or perhaps they are comfortable doing it but uncomfortable being adversely judged by others for doing so) and are looking for reasons to feel better about it. At the end of the day, at least IMO, all ethical arguments about this become a bunch of intellectual masturbation. My only point is that if you like to keep fish to eat, sell, or mount, then I have no problem with it. If you like to keep fish to for the primary purpose of showing them off, well that's your business as well, but it is hardly something to admire.

WOW! My head is spinning. I just thought I would throw this in. I fish now and in the 80s. In the 80s I know the data information supported the decline of the stripers. However I saw no differance between then and now. I saw "no"decline in stripers where I fish. Nor did the people with knowledge. The only people not getting them back then were, the people who did not know what they were doing. These were the days when fish were categorized in pounds. Today they that think they know what are going on and fight for the rights of the fish categorize in inches! Just fish with in the rules and guide lines and every body will be ok!
Later, L:spin:

no gloom and doom from me, just pointing out that alot of people kill alot of bass and often forget where the bass were at one point. If i had caught one of those 60's i would have probably killed it, but it would also be one of one or two fish i keep all year.

those who feel entitled to catch and kill as many fish as possible within thier limits (2 fish a day everyday) disturb me and often makes me wonder how much $$ they are getting a pound on the black market. Those who keep more than their legal limits and feel that they are justified 'because everyone else are doing it' are the scum of the earth...

I agree with most of what you say eben, and this paticular individule releases most of his fish....however this was a special day and they each kept them.

I however kept the 40lber I got this morning!

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Could you please support this information with a link. It is the opposite of what I understand to be true.


Wrong, for the same reason runners don't die when their muscles are fatigued. It is the rare fish (bass at least) that can't be revived if appropriately handled, though I acknowledge that many fisherman do not do the latter and that undeniably some fish that appear OK on release die later.

That many people need to rationalize killing them indicates that at some level they are uncomfortable doing it (or perhaps they are comfortable doing it but uncomfortable being adversely judged by others for doing so) and are looking for reasons to feel better about it. At the end of the day, at least IMO, all ethical arguments about this become a bunch of intellectual masturbation. My only point is that if you like to keep fish to eat, sell, or mount, then I have no problem with it. If you like to keep fish to for the primary purpose of showing them off, well that's your business as well, but it is hardly something to admire.
I will pull the information together for you and PM you with the sources.
Your last point. I agree with you. If you are not going to eat, sell or mount and only keep it for the glory, then you are a scumbag. I was part of the 70's group that "tonged" the bass nightly. I am not proud of the number of fish we killed but they never went to waste. Yes, there was abuse but it was not illegal, just stupid. I can remember coming back from the Cape following Charlie Murat and having our trucks full of 20s, 30s, 40s. We gave fish to everyone we knew and when that was done my father took what was left and gave it to the Sisters of Mercy at St. Aloicious Orphanage in Greenville RI. We never bragged about what we caught because who would listen? No one cared about 40 pound bass. It was no big deal. I think with the advent of the internet it has become more of the "glory" thing. In the 70s who were you gonna tell. The few other guys that surf fished? They caught them too.

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:

Just goes to show you what JEALOUSY can do!!

im jealous :hee:

Is jealous also, give my left nut for a 60...:btu:

Same here.... I`ve heard the big mommas were excellent breeders?

Where is Baldwin?

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Could you please support this information with a link. It is the opposite of what I understand to be true.



Wrong, for the same reason runners don't die when their muscles are fatigued. It is the rare fish (bass at least) that can't be revived if appropriately handled, though I acknowledge that many fisherman do not do the latter and that undeniably some fish that appear OK on release die later.

That many people need to rationalize killing them indicates that at some level they are uncomfortable doing it (or perhaps they are comfortable doing it but uncomfortable being adversely judged by others for doing so) and are looking for reasons to feel better about it. At the end of the day, at least IMO, all ethical arguments about this become a bunch of intellectual masturbation. My only point is that if you like to keep fish to eat, sell, or mount, then I have no problem with it. If you like to keep fish to for the primary purpose of showing them off, well that's your business as well, but it is hardly something to admire.

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:



Its all your fault Bill :lasso: I think you should release Menhaden as well :o

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&...Congrats on your.40 Bill..What no pic's of you not smiling???Because without pics how do we know you actually caught it??:huh:

On another site there's a raging argument on if your suit/sport jacket sleeve length should be relative to your wristbone-or from the tip of your thumb, to ensure you show a proper amount (1/4 to 1/2 inches) of cuff.

So perhaps it's just that time of year.

-spence

If it was I, Them fiash be at the scale faster then you can know!!

I would be showing off them fish all day, and then I would spread the meat to all friends and family!!

Congrtas to whom ever it was they were truly blessed!!~

I agree with most of what you say eben, and this paticular individule releases most of his fish....however this was a special day and they each kept them.

I however kept the 40lber I got this morning!


show me the pics :rtfm: :hihi:

On another site there's a raging argument on if your suit/sport jacket sleeve length should be relative to your wristbone-or from the tip of your thumb, to ensure you show a proper amount (1/4 to 1/2 inches) of cuff.

So perhaps it's just that time of year.

-spence


Puhhhhlllleeeeeezzzeeeeeeeeeeeeee :smash:

LYB

Flap, you are so full of it I think you need higher boots.....Maybe you should take more pics....you may be more credible with the proof...:kewl: I would hate to be known as the "champion of unverifiable stories" and without a weigh in now and then, thats exactly what you are.. "I lost count of all the fish I could have weighed in for the cup" Bull%$%$%$%$.........Its easy to take a digital camara to the beach and snap a shot of all these so called cows....

60s go in the cooler...

e#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&....here you are just plain wrong. If Flap says he caught and released without a photo.... I have no problems believing him...none at all.
I`ve caught a few decent surf fish(30s)and have no pics and released all but one.... nothing unusual here.Not everyone ,whether in a tourney or not keep and kill all their fish....in fact I think many release. :musc:

Its good for the Striped Bass :musc:

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209048.gif:wall:

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:

the argument is excess not the fact that he caught 2 gigantor fish.

it happens with everything, there is a fine line between being proud of something you have accomplished and looking like an arse from grabbing the jewels and bragging to much.

i don't know this guys style of fishing and this may be the first two fish he has kept all year. On paper, it looks like the later. Perhaps he didnt have a camera and no one would have believed him :huh:

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:


This is why if I ever catch a cow no one will know but those really close to me and the taxidermist! Yes you read that right I will hang a 50# or more and not bat an eyelash over it. Every fish I have ever kept (and no that number doesnt equal everyone I ever caught) has gone in the cooler, frugally filleted and consumed ...not wasted.

I feel everyone is in fact entitled to their own opinion. BUT if you fish (I assume everyone here fishes?) and even if you have never kept a single fish you ever caught..... you have most likely still killed fish and that certainly is a thought to be pondered. No one here can claim that every fish they released has survived as it would have if it was never caught at all. Did you get get bacteria on it? Did it suffer and die 3 months later because infection? Did it spread that infection to other fish? There is no way of knowing.

This is AMAZING.........:hs: Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall:hs:

My fault, and I apologize. Actually I'm glad you posted it because it helps me to know there are big fish around (albeit 30 miles by water from where I fish). What I really was hoping to accomplish was to get one of you guys to release a near dead permanently brain damaged cow, so when it recovers I got some small chance at catching it on the wooden crap I'm throwing. By the way, does snagging count?

Steve just called me from Quaker lane to relay the news of two fish over 60lbs on the hook right now at the shop caught by the same angler! They were caught on live bunker....The daytime fishing right now is tremendous and its unusual for us here in Rhody to have a run of adult bunker like this in September...I have been hitting some spots I would never hit in daytime and livelining Bunker, its almost imediate bass...and there are lots of fish in the 5 to 9 foot of water range in broad daylight........there out there in force , a change of tactics is all thats needed and remember, FRESH dead chunked bunker is also deadly but it has to be fresh.....Bring on the snag hooks! Cant wait for tommorow morning, !:jump:

wow :eek: that's great there are huge cows in your area, congrats to the guy.
When I saw this title of the thread my first thought was of Goose's 2 nice fish:scatter:
I can't read 3 pages of this

congrats to the angler. WHat an accomplishment.
I've been away from RI for a week and see what happens? I hope to get into some of those fish soon. I'd be happy with a 30.

My fault, and I apologize. Actually I'm glad you posted it because it helps me to know there are big fish around (albeit 30 miles by water from where I fish). What I really was hoping to accomplish was to get one of you guys to release a near dead permanently brain damaged cow, so when it recovers I got some small chance at catching it on the wooden crap I'm throwing. By the way, does snagging count?
:laugha: ....nice backpeddling G. :laugha:

:laugha: ....nice backpeddling G. :laugha:

Yeah, when you're wrong as often as I am you get good at it. Such is life.

Yeah, when you're wrong as often as I am you get good at it. Such is life.


Kurt Vonnegut?

Kurt Vonnegut?

So it goes. :hihi:

show me the pics :rtfm: :hihi:
I don't know where the pic is of Bill's fish but I was in my boat 25 feet from him when the fish came over the gunnel.
Real nice fish Bill.

I caught 2 29" fish yesterday. I forget what a big fish looks like. P.

Bill must have thick skin (like a eel) because he always gets abused whenever he creates a thread or post regarding fish size to fishing technique. He gives it back ten fold, good for him.

Nice dog.

I don't even know where to begin to respond to some of the comments on this thread :hs:

so I won't

It's a shame most big fish threads turn into this.

Joe P,
I apologize that you misunderstood me. I meant it the way Dave understood it. I did not mean to ruffle you. I just meant that until you have a fatty laying at your feet and experience it and the emotion and the adrenlin, it is hard for someone to say to someone else what to do with the fish. That is all. Sorry pal.

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:spam: :sleeps::spam:

Joe P,
I apologize that you misunderstood me. I meant it the way Dave understood it. I did not mean to ruffle you. I just meant that until you have a fatty laying at your feet and experience it and the emotion and the adrenlin, it is hard for someone to say to someone else what to do with the fish. That is all. Sorry pal.

Got ya. No problem - I misunderstood your point. :kewl:

Its a shame big fish pictures can't just be enjoyed on their own. If people want to beat the conservation drum (a noble cause IMO ) why not start another thread. why spoil the thread showing such a spectacular catch?

Anyway , I also think its bunk about nobody believes you unless you show the dead fish around tackle shops. WHO CARES WHO BELIEVES YOU???? You know you caught them. Nobody else matters.

this whole thread is a Quaker Lane :spam:
Congrats to the guy on his two 50's, must have been a fun day for him :)

Its a shame big fish pictures can't just be enjoyed on their own. If people want to beat the conservation drum (a noble cause IMO ) why not start another thread. why spoil the thread showing such a spectacular catch?

Anyway , I also think its bunk about nobody believes you unless you show the dead fish around tackle shops. WHO CARES WHO BELIEVES YOU???? You know you caught them. Nobody else matters.

This topic comes up frequent enough and the resulting pi$$ing contest is almost as reliable.... Had I not been over on Cuttyhunk I would have moderated it a lot quicker.

Please keep the personal attacks to a minimum or even better - no personal attacks at all. DISCUSS this, instead, in a more civilized manner please without the uneccesary and unsubstantiated name calling. Discuss this like men, not like kids on a playground.

If the law needs to be changed make the necessary changes to the law. When the law needs discussion, discuss the law. No need to drag out a threadwar.

My personal opinions on this - Kudos to the guys that got 50s, 60s, and almost 50s this weekend - helluva good day on the water. Also, kudos to all that GOT OUT and enjoyed the water's edge or depth - that is more important and any SIZE of a fish. To those that kept or released them - that is your choice but keep in mind that if one gets a big bass it is your choice to bring it to a weigh in shop and your choice to weigh it in. It is not necessary to weigh it in just to prove you caught it.

IN the process of closing / moderating this thread... Sorry dood

In the process of closing this thread...

In the process of closing this thread... Sorry