OK, here is the deal. On this artwork, which I will show in a few posts, I have literally well in excess of 150 (real likely over 200) hours of my time editing artwork since December 05. I am not an art genius or a savant so I had to go with my limited tools. But like S-B, I really can't look at it as an hourly wage or I'd get sick...

After starting and stalling on several T-Shirt designs, some by me and some by members here, I felt I at least owed it to all of you to do something truly special and celebrate one of the core parts of S-B that make this community tick like the well oiled and occasionally inebriated community we are. I chose the Plug Building community of S-B as I wanted to celebrate a group of people that the significant majority of us are in awe with. The only problem was that I ran out of canvass and was only able to get 20 something plugs on this shirt as there are NUMEROUS other deserving plug builders that should be by all rights on this shirt as well. This shirt will feature some of their work - I truly wish I could have included more - and their art will be predominantly displayed on the back of the shirt with a somewhat different, mildly artsy S-B logo on the front. I asked everyone on this shirt for their permission to do this though most I did not tell what I needed their permission for, other than it was a "project". The theme is loooosely based on a concert T-shirt.

Back in February I also had a few sponsors contribute to seed this shirt to help get it off the ground and they are listed on the shirt as well as sponsoring this shirt as they helped me get this off the ground.

For prices we are looking at roughly $18-19 for M-XL, 19-20 for XXL, and 20-21 for XXXL as the prices run $2 & $3 more per shirt for XXL & XXXL respectively.

The shirts will be a 100% 6.1 ounce heavy Cotton short sleeve shirt (they said better than Hanes quality). I looked at the shirts and they are better than 90% of the fishing shirts I have gotten. Much similar to a Guy Harvey. Have not decided on a pocket or not though that would probably add 50 cents or so, would need to find out. And shipping I have not figured out (and not sure if Clammer wan't that job - in fact I think he'll keel over when one actually gets printed :rotf2: .

Base color of the shirt will probably be either Stone Blue, Khaki, or Sand.

The minimum I can order at this time is 150 shirts because of the major artwork going onto it. The screen people I talked to today and I've talked to several shops - state it will use as many colors as they can put on a shirt, 13-14 on the back alone. It looks like I will be using the Bomba suggestion of East Coast Screen Printing (quite an operation). In fact these guys do the shirts for Gibbs so those that have their shirts can tell me what they think.

So, I will show you the artwork to go on this in a short bit and tell me if you will commit to these shirts before I lay out the couple grand to make this happen. S-B will make some money on these, probably around $5 each, as it is an expensive shirt. I will work up a real good deal for the guys whose plugs are on the shirts.

i'm in for a few:boots:
no pocket. soo 80's/nerd

:eyes:

I'll take 5 John,
and I'll be sending you one of mine, you going to msba wed ???

Is the meeting this Wednesday Ron? I thought I missed it this week?:doh:

2 for me at least John - I like the theme you describe and it sounds like it'll be a cool looking shirt to proudly wear. :btu:
Freak - no pocket - where do we put the smokes ?? :smokin:

NEXT weds Larry:sleeps:

See you there! Shirts sound great John...can't wait to see them!:bounce:

See you all THIS coming Wednesday...:uhuh:

I'm in for one, no pockets though, thats def out of style! :)

OK - here is the main thing - the back (the actual Tshirt file is siginificantly larger):

http://striped-bass.com/images/shirt/shirtsample3.png

OK - here is the main thing - the back (the actual Tshirt file is siginificantly larger):

opps


This supposed to be a pic link ???

:lurk:
posting pics here has never been easy:D

I think it would be cool if you were to add small versions of the banners of all the paid sponsors !!!

Very, very nice John, well worth the wait. :soon:

I think it would be cool if you were add small versions of the banners of all the paid sponsors !!!


If I come out with a shirt with a bunch of guys drinkin' on a boat, I'll let you know :rotf2: :buds: :jump:

i like it.
lose the "presented by"

If I come out with a shirt with a bunch of guys drinkin' on a boat, I'll let you know :rotf2: :buds: :jump:


???
No drinking on my boat !!!
I like what you did there John and don't want to knock it,
But it looks like a shirt for the plug builders forum only instead of the whole site !

mighty nice!

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No drinking on my boat !!!
I like what you did there John and don't want to knock it,
But it looks like a shirt for the plug builders forum only instead of the whole site !

I kinda had the same thought, i love the design dont get me wrong, but an Official SB.com shirt with the Striper/American flag logo would rock!

What about us fly fisherman, no flies on there! :tooth:

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No drinking on my boat !!!
I like what you did there John and don't want to knock it,
But it looks like a shirt for the plug builders forum only instead of the whole site !

I see what you mean but I need to do something somewhere. I could have gone with a surfcaster or a boater and still not catered to everyone. The way I look at it is the vast majority of us use and appreciate plugs and have some of the plugs made by guys from this site. I wanted to celebrate that and thought that it would have the most appeal.

Yeh - I know no driking on your boat :gf: - you run a good ship :btu:

Cool pic of back of the shirt. Put me in for 2 XXL.

Nice shirt..good job..only thing is it looks like those guy's built all those plug's..I'd lose the name's and just stick with the site name.Clean-simple...sorry guy's.

Nice shirt..good job..only thing is it looks like those guy's built all those plug's..I'd lose the name's and just stick with the site name.Clean-simple...sorry guy's.

I am thinking of puting the name of the builder under each. The presented part is because these guys are helping to fund the costs of doing this and keeping the shirts priced $5+ cheaper per shirt...

I see what you mean but I need to do something somewhere. I could have gone with a surfcaster or a boater and still not catered to everyone. The way I look at it is the vast majority of us use and appreciate plugs and have some of the plugs made by guys from this site. I wanted to celebrate that and thought that it would have the most appeal.

Yeh - I know no driking on your boat :gf: - you run a good ship :btu:

The reason i suggested the SB.com logo John, is that most people have come to recognize that logo after many years of coming to this site, thats the first thing they see. And how can we have an "official" SB.com shirt without the official logo? Your design is great dont get me wrong. But to me this is not a shirt for SB.com and its members, it's a shirt for the plug builders. but as usual i need to give some input and cause trouble! :hee:

A good sized pic of the SB.com logo on the back would rock, its nice and simple, and its about the site only, and not about just the sponsers.

Maybe a big pic of the Official SB logo on the back, and a small pic of a plug on the front with SB.com accross it. The best of both worlds!

The reason i suggested the SB.com logo John, is that most people have come to recognize that logo after many years of coming to this site, thats the first thing they see. And how can we have an "official" SB.com shirt without the official logo? Your design is great dont get me wrong. But to me this is not a shirt for SB.com and its members, it's a shirt for the plug builders. but as usual i need to give some input and cause trouble! :hee:

A good sized pic of the SB.com logo on the back would rock, its nice and simple, and its about the site only, and not about just the sponsers.

Maybe a big pic of the Official SB logo on the back, and a small pic of a plug on the front with SB.com accross it. The best of both worlds!


I agree John !
I like the pic, but I does NOT make me think of this site, and if I wore it going down the street, I don't think anyone who sees it, would know what striped-bass.com is!!!
I think you need to include the flag logo !!!
Just my 2cents !!!

I am thinking of puting the name of the builder under each. The presented part is because these guys are helping to fund the costs of doing this and keeping the shirts priced $5+ cheaper per shirt...

I see say's I....that'd work:kewl:

{S-B}
just like the sticker,
done.....

I like Skips idea as well.

The very 1st and 2nd PlugFest were down Cape and there were no sponsors... just some great builders meeting to talk, swap plugs, and fish. No offense to all the commercial builders but it does`nt fit the current event in Rhody either..... looks to commercial.

I like Skips idea as well.

The very 1st and 2nd PlugFest were down Cape and there were no sponsors... just some great builders meeting to talk, swap plugs, and fish. No offense to all the commercial builders but it does`nt fit the current event in Rhody either..... looks to commercial.

Maybe we're thinking different things but the first were in Slip's garage... If you are thinking about the Plugger's Bash then we're thinking different things. And what looks too comercial? The shirt? I was shooting for something a little different than slapping S-B on a shirt, something truly different and cool....

Put that on the back John and the "S-B" from the bumper sticker on the front left breastical?:)

Maybe we're thinking different things but the first were in Slip's garage... If you are thinking about the Plugger's Bash then we're thinking different things. And what looks too comercial? The shirt? I was shooting for something a little different than slapping S-B on a shirt, something truly different and cool....

SB.com has an AWESOME logo, A great looking striper with the American flag in the backround, with Striped-Bass.com underneath the fish. Its perfect in my opinion. If you're gonne have a shirt and call it the official SB.com shirt, how can we not have the logo on the shirt? I think we overlooked the obvious and tried to get to flashy.

Everyone loves the SB.com logo already, yet when it comes time to print shirts, it totally gets overlooked. Johns design is fanstasic, but that would be a great shirt to make up for the Plugfest or something like that, not as the official shirt of the sight.

This sites logo is fantastic! Lets print that bad boy on a shirt and be proud of this site! After all, everyone who is a member or people who browse this site frequently, will instantly recognize this site's great logo on a shirt! They will see this sight, and the logo on the shirt, and put two and two together.

Seems kinda obvious to me! But i dont have any say in this, just giving my .02

Its nice and simple and this IS what i think of when i think of this site! A good sized image of this on the back, and maybe a smaller image ont he breast on the front. Its perfect! Ok i'm being annoying i know, but i just cant understand how this would not make a kick ass shirt?! I think of this before i think of Plugs and Plug Builders.

I agree // when you first look at it --like you said it looks kinda like a concert shirt //

no offerce sponosors [sp]

but the way it is now it looks like there was a plug fiast & you could get a shirt at it ;;

gotta be the shade of blue [[[ & its gotta have the S/ B logo =============== that is what site we are on & that what we are proud of //nothing againt the plug site ,But that shirt looks like a plug site shirt ;;;:behead:

no problem //being the shipper //at least the members will get them while they are alive .,.,.,:uhuh:

Everybodys got an opinion. I like the shirt. Put me down for 3 XXLs. in whatever color you pick as long as it's not blue.

I'll take 4 XXL but if that's what our logo looks like then just take it off John. Looks like meemee sat on it :D

i need at least 4. great job john! 2 xl and 2 xxl

John put me down for two xxxl. ThomT

I'm sorry John
But if the shirts are printed as is, I'll pass on them !
This is typical of stuff on this site,
Boat fish don't count, only fish caught on wood plugs count,commercial fishing is bad, yo yoing is wrong, ect.........
I'm not going knock plug building as I like plugs as much as the next guy, but if you're going to do a SITE shirt, it needs to incorporate a bit of every thing the site represents, the flag logo included (paid sponsors also)
Not a just plug building !

Think shirt looks great,put me in for 3

John,

I am in for 3

Whatever design you make i will take 4. Sure we all have opinions on what the shirt should look like, i for 1 will take whatever you decide on. Whatever it looks like we will all know it represents S-B. We dont need a logo to spell it out for us.

Those Raiders fans sure do cry when things don't go their way!:bc:

I know one or two boat guys that fish plugs!:huh:

How about a pic of plugs on the back and a guy wire line jigging on the front?:rotf2:

im kinda with RR on this one in that it ,looks like a dedication to the great plug builders on this site. (which is fine if thats what you want).

I may have missed it but this is a s-b shirt, not a thank you to the sponsers/plug builders shirt right?

I will buy 1 or 2 to support s-b. but it doesnt look like the SHIRT is supporting s-b.

i'd personally like something that isnt so "loud". If the majority of people on here use the sponser plugs than you will probably do real well with the shirt. I suspect the farther north you go, the interest will drop off a bit.

Alot of times great statments are made with the simplest of designs. look at apple... white on white with and apple and chunk bitten out. I personally am not a fan of apple but you know the logo. linux have a dopey looking penguin. not everyone knows what it is but if you are in the industry you do. Same can apply here I imagine...

Not trying to step on creative toes... and, after 200 hrs of work put in, im sure its hard not to take constructive criticism personally.

Great plug shirt though! Whats the front look like?
just my .02 TIFWIW

Do two shirts and double your money!:uhuh:

Do two shirts and double your money!:uhuh:

not a bad idea.

Put the S-B logo with the flag on the front and keep the back as is. It looks great John. I am sure it took some effort. I will take a few as well. Start a pre-order to cover some of the expenses.

If the design is really that complex it had better cost a mint or it's not going to look good!

-spence

{S-B}
just like the sticker,
done.....

Yeah.. what freak said..

art's nice and all, but a bit much IMHO.. keep it simple and classy.
Beefy T definately.. NO pocket
pale clammer blue would be fine,
or pale green :D

John,

What's on the front ?

Maybe we're thinking different things but the first were in Slip's garage... If you are thinking about the Plugger's Bash then we're thinking different things. And what looks too comercial? The shirt? I was shooting for something a little different than slapping S-B on a shirt, something truly different and cool....


Duh me :sick: sworry Still way too busy for me... looks like an ad for those sponsors....

Its def a shirt for the Sponsers, the first thing you notice about the shirt is the sponsers, i had to look hard to see the Striped-bass.com on it! Let the sponsers put out thier own shirts, and let the site have a shirt thats just for SB.com. To over the top, i'd walk around feeling like a freakin car at a Nascar race with all the damn sponsers and adds posted on my back!!:hihi:

This shirt shouldnt be dedicated to one group or a few sponsers, it should be a shirt that includes ALL Sb.com members and isnt a walking advertisment for Sponsers and Plug builders. The Striper/American flag is simple, yet classy, and includes ALL Striped-Bass.com members. And its our offical logo after all!! And is focused on the site ONLY and not Sponsers.

I'm with RR on this, as much as i like the she current design on the shirt, its to over the top for me to actually wear.

And the fact that Skitterpop and I actaully agree on this, should tell you something is seriosly wrong with the concept of the shirt!

Sorry but no thanks do not like it. Seems to be a ad for plugs not SB.com I know they put up money but so have many others here year after year and they do not ask to have a shirt for it. I may be getting old and cranky but I am disappointed in the design:yak5:

Its def a shirt for the Sponsers, the first thing you notice about the shirt is the sponsers, i had to look hard to see the Striped-bass.com on it! Let the sponsers put out thier own shirts, and let the site have a shirt thats just for SB.com. To over the top, i'd walk around feeling like a freakin car at a Nascar race with all the damn sponsers and adds posted on my back!!:hihi:

This shirt shouldnt be dedicated to one group or a few sponsers, it should be a shirt that includes ALL Sb.com members and isnt a walking advertisment for Sponsers and Plug builders. The Striper/American flag is simple, yet classy, and includes ALL Striped-Bass.com members. And its our offical logo after all!! And is focused on the site ONLY and not Sponsers.

I'm with RR on this, as much as i like the she current design on the shirt, its to over the top for me to actually wear.

And the fact that Skitterpop and I actaully agree on this, should tell you something is seriosly wrong with the concept of the shirt!


And that is the whole thing. One simply cannot please ALL groups on this site. I figured that if I went with something above and beyond the norm that it would overcome this. I figured if S-B had a shirt that was different then just slapping a logo and a phrase - which everyone else does - would be more universaly accepted - apparently I was wrong.

At this point I'm ready to %$%$%$%$ can the whole shirt thing. I'll keep this up for a few days before deciding if this is worth doing or not.

As for the sponsors helping by sending some dough to help produce this shirt - is that the problem? It makes it too "Commercialized"?

john,
the shirt looks like this is STRICKly a plug building website, not a striped bass website

plain logo.....classy.....gives the website free advertisment

just my opinion

if it was a plug building website, that shirt would be great

I read this post this morning and didnt respond, I felt lousy being critical since John does SO much work to keep this thing running. Like many, I'm not crazy about the design, too busy and it is too plug-centric.
I would love a shirt with just a logo, plain and simple.

I like the shirt, these guys are sponsors and plug builders we all look up too. Just do the shirt John.

John--I like it and I'd take at least one, maybe two.

It's a friggin' T-shirt, fer crissakes. I'm not gonna wear it to the Coonamesset Inn or to court.

Yes I will John. Let me know when?

John, perhaps make two. One with a simple logo and one with your design.

And that is the whole thing. One simply cannot please ALL groups on this site. I figured that if I went with something above and beyond the norm that it would overcome this. I figured if S-B had a shirt that was different then just slapping a logo and a phrase - which everyone else does - would be more universaly accepted - apparently I was wrong.

At this point I'm ready to %$%$%$%$ can the whole shirt thing. I'll keep this up for a few days before deciding if this is worth doing or not.

As for the sponsors helping by sending some dough to help produce this shirt - is that the problem? It makes it too "Commercialized"?

John, who would object to a simple White T shirt with the official SB logo on the back?? Thats all i'm saying, you can't go wrong with that design. Its simple and straight to the point. Simple is always better, alot of people dont like flashy stuff.

I have a few TheHullTruth tshirts,
They make it very clear of what the hull truth is even for someone who never heard of that site.
It comes down to this,
Are we doing a shirt desigh for the site or plug building ???
If you (John) are doing a shirt for plug building it's awesome, and I don't want to make you think all the time & work you put into it is not appreciated,
But I thought this was a FISHING site !!!
Not one that caters to only 1 portion of it's members !

The thread asked if we would buy one of these and then when some say no we do not like it some find they must get testy? All they did was give their answer to the question. I think Johns idea is to have a shirt that will sell to the LARGEST number here or am I missing something here? If the shirt is not to help bring money to the site then yes any design would be fine. But if it is to bring $$$$$$$ to the site then you would want a shirt that would give you the best sales to the MOST number of members. To that end John I would be willing to donate up to $500.00 for the print work of a SB.com logo shirt that sells SB.com only and I will not ask to have my name put on it:uhuh: just want the first shirt.

Damn - who knew this would hit 3 pages faster than an #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& thread :hf1: ?


The thread asked if we would buy one of these and then when some say no we do not like it some find they must get testy? All they did was give their answer to the question.

OK moneybags ;) - Maybe I'm just beating myself over the head a little with the whole shirt thing. And no, I would not have you do that ;) :tooth:

If this were the plugs, and not "sponsored by" yadayadayada , with the Normal S-B logo over the front pocket, would that seem "less commercial" ?

As for this appearing just for the plugs, we have ALL different kinds of anglers here and one of the most consistant threads in our community is the custom plugs beacuse a lot of people fish them - not talking about building - but fish them, from surf, canal, boat, yak.

"You can please some of the people some of the time...but you can't please all of the people all of the time"!

John,

Please understand that I am in no way attempting to take away from what you've done. It can be tweaked though and I'm willing to help.

Very simple design:

Front of shirt says: "Support your Local Hookers" small print bold/font

Back of shirt has the sb logo same as the automobile stickers. Humor and you deliver your message in one color ink. ;)

Or you could do a picture of a guy hooked up to a fish on the back.

The design shown:

John the design you show looks very busy and Im getting the idea that the main focus are three dif. things but they realy dont all play well together. 1. the sb logo. 2. the lures, looks great! but as was mentioned maybe a bit much I mean I love it, but not tied together with 1 & 3. Section three looks like it was tacked on as after thought. Again Im not attacking your work just giving my opinion. If anything I'm willing to help you work on this :)

Suggestions for the current design would be to increase the font size of the logo name on the back, and remove the sponsor names from the back of the shirt. This makes section 1 and 2 place a little nicer together.

Take the sponsors names, every sponsor: Have them run listed horizontally but in clear text on the sleeves of the T's.

Or have the art work on the front of the shirt, and the sb logo, same as the stickers on the back of the shirt with a listing of the sponsors on the back of the shirt. This would make soo much more sense with mock ups. If I have time today I'll hop on it.

I read this post this morning and didnt respond, I felt lousy being critical since John does SO much work to keep this thing running. Like many, I'm not crazy about the design, too busy and it is too plug-centric.
I would love a shirt with just a logo, plain and simple.

I feel the same way, I think if you put the Sponcers on one of the sleeves and a simple design

What ever you do John, please put me in for 2 xxl
What no Antique Lures ????
lol... only fooling around
VB

ya make 500 shirts =====once ya figure out // what its gonna look like ;;
Put the sponosors anywhere ya want --------- & watch ------------------- sponosors drop out // new ones come in & want [On] the shirt ;;;

one of the clubs I,m a member in states it real clear;;;

KEEP IT SIMPLE :eyes:

Very simple design:

Front of shirt says: "Support your Local Hookers" small print bold/font

Back of shirt has the sb logo same as the automobile stickers. Humor and you deliver your message in one color ink. ;)


I second that idea.
Now that I think of it John, it's nice but it really doesn't represent the site to me.
I think u should make an #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& shirt too, bet you'd sell a lot of them. Maybe like my avitar with a pic of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& in the middle..Sorry Bill, couldn't resist.:rotf2:

ya make 500 shirts =====once ya figure out // what its gonna look like ;;
Put the sponosors anywhere ya want --------- & watch ------------------- sponosors drop out // new ones come in & want [On] the shirt ;;;

one of the clubs I,m a member in states it real clear;;;

KEEP IT SIMPLE :eyes:


I suppose it could be worse,
John could put a pic of Clammers ass on a shirt !!!:spidey:

John--I like it and I'd take at least one, maybe two.

It's a friggin' T-shirt, fer crissakes. I'm not gonna wear it to the Coonamesset Inn or to court.

good point :claps:

oh and the SAMPLE going across the whole thing.... awful! ruins the design :rotfl::rotfl:

OK - here is the main thing - the back (the actual Tshirt file is siginificantly larger):

http://striped-bass.com/images/shirt/shirtsample3.png

I don't like that
I'd gladly pay the extra 5 bucks to not have those names or ads on the bottom. I won't be buying that one with the names, nothing against those guys, I just don't feel it belongs.

It was supposed to be a batch of shirts for the plugfest we always have every winter, but I guess it evolved into that.

A nice t-shirt with maybe the S-B logo from the site up in the left top corner on the front and the pic of plugs without the sponsors would be a much better choice.

my 2 cents

Agree with most of what ThrowingTimber said...although I'm pretty sure I could design a better shirt than he could :hee:

-spence

John, you will never please everyone. I'm in for three lg's whatever the final design.

No offense John, but I figured an official site shirt would be a simple and to the point logo. That one is way too busy and doesn't really promote the site. It's more like promoting the sponsors. Nothing wrong with that, but a site only shirt is what I'd want if I had a choice.

I'd pay whatever you asked for a couple with this on it, and maybe the bumper sticker logo on the other side.

JOhn,

Let spence and I deliver a few designs/ideas.

If Im understanding this the design was meant for the plug fest we have in the first few months of the season. If thats the case The shirt is great for that. I dont think it would be something that woud encompass the membership as a whole.

Looks like a lot of the work is done for the plug fest shirt though. Sb logo on the front. Plugs n stuff sans sponsors on the back.

What Im feeling for an sb shirt that would emcopass all the membership would be a simple small design on the front. And the sb suto sticker logo on the back.

So, it breaks down to a simple bread and butter shirt. Small design on the front, and the auto ab logo on the back. Sponsor listings on the sleeves of the shirt, I figure 4 or 5 sponsors (do we even have that many?) listed horizontally on the sleeves of the t shirt small logo on the front and large sb suto sticker logo on the back. Very simple shirt, but it emcompasses the membership, if I'm reading correctly peoples responses.

Again, John not to take away from your efforts or what youve done, but I think the simple/r shirt is what folks want. And I mean yeah its a simple shirt, but folks will still pay a premium for the shirt because its going to support the site and we're all aware of this.

The plug fest shirt for the early spring is done, pretty much. You've done just about everything for and just having the plugs on the back of the shirt, and an sb logo on the front will cover that no problem. And with all the colors etc involved in that shirt that would be more of a price hike, but again, we all know its to generate funds for the site so I mean personally I would be willing to pay 25+ for a shirt done up that way.

Yes, I will buy one of this design, and will probably buy subsequent design shirts, assuming they still help keep the lights on.

Some make this seem like an end all prom dress decision........print 'em and they will sell, just watch.

i agree its kind of silly to be arguing about the design of a shirt. i do however think it shows how much this community cares about s-b

I think the main concern is what being represented. I want to wear a shirt that repsents s-b, not AH or HABS etc etc... (no offense to the sponsers) I kind of think its the sponsors jobs to sell their own duds.

This time John, I don't think anyone will fault you for being selfish in your design to being about your creation... that we all truly appreciate.

again, i'll 1 or 2 of whatever to keep the lights on!

Don't think anyone is arguing...aside from Skip who just thinks he'll be more credible in the political threads if he actually is wearing in the flag :hee: :laughs:

Some good feedback, it's only because we care :)

-spence

poor choice of words.... your right spence

but you got my point... ;)

Have to agree with slip 100%..if I wanted a t shirt with a bumper sticker on it, I'd just go buy a plain white one and glue a sb bumper sticker to it.

John, i like e'm the way they are. Put me down for 3 Large.

Like the idea of no pocket. For smoker guys,
Clammah can show 'em how to roll
their butts in the sleeve ,50's style. :hihi:

Its nice and simple and this IS what i think of when i think of this site! A good sized image of this on the back, and maybe a smaller image ont he breast on the front. Its perfect! Ok i'm being annoying i know, but i just cant understand how this would not make a kick ass shirt?! I think of this before i think of Plugs and Plug Builders.

I'd love to see a regular rectangular bumper sticker of the logo.
that would look sweet and take no extra design time - provided you already have a high resolution version.

and, you could easily slap it up through cafe-press

...I'll keep this up for a few days before deciding if this is worth doing or not.

how long did it take before you did the s-b.com stickers and the short-lived hat?

heck, how long did it take the various 'xperts here to master their particular craft.

it will be ready when its ready and not before or after.

Don't think anyone is arguing...aside from Skip who just thinks he'll be more credible in the political threads if he actually is wearing in the flag :hee: :laughs:

Some good feedback, it's only because we care :)

-spence

You know me and my flags Spence! :D

I'd love to see a regular rectangular bumper sticker of the logo.
that would look sweet and take no extra design time - provided you already have a high resolution version.

and, you could easily slap it up through cafe-press

Yeah, some stickers of the Official SB.com logo would kick ass too!

I'll take 2. XL.

My opion is this, what is this shirt for?? It looks like a plug shirt and does not represent the SB site.
To much going on, to busy!!

I would not buy it, sorry, I know you did a lot of work John, but its just not something I think the site need.

Something Clean Cut that shows the site is all that is needed.

You know that I am a member of the Wellcraft site and we have all kinds of years and styles of V20's on the board.

We had shirts done by a member and went with the first V20 made for the shirt which happens to be a Cuddy.

This is the first year shirt:
http://syncboard.com/albums/album06/V20ShirtFinalsWhite.sized.jpg

This is the 2nd year shirt
http://syncboard.com/albums/album06/V20Tee2006b.sized.jpg


I think it would be nice with the S-B like the bumper sticker over the Left chest.

And a nice bass on the back with the SB.Com address at the bottom.

This will be great representation for the site, and it is a fishing site first and a rod building, plug building, boating site 2nd.

Ok I shut up now, I hope no one is offeneded! Just sugesting.

If this shirt is for something else other then for the whole site, and you are making it a plugfest thing then this is fine.

I MUST have a shirt. Not to mention a bumper sticker or hat as well. I am a total whore for promotional material that I beleive in.

If this were the plugs, and not "sponsored by" yadayadayada , with the Normal S-B logo over the front pocket, would that seem "less commercial" ?


sounds like the plan to me

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous.:buds: Back to my beer.

I chose the Plug Building community of S-B as I wanted to celebrate a group of people that the significant majority of us are in awe with.

The theme is loooosely based on a concert T-shirt.



I like the design, and I would try and buy one if you made them. I do agree with others that it doesn't represent the site as a whole, but that's not what was intended. After all, it does say "PlugFest East Coast Tour".

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous.:buds: Back to my beer.

not even close T

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous.:buds: Back to my beer.

You guys sound like a bunch of Spence's. Always pi$$ing, monning and groning over nothing. If you don't like the shirt, Don't Buy One!!

John , here's my take on it. Do what you think is best because you will not please everybody. You are the one putting all the time into it should be your call.

Jeff

as a sponsor, after hearing all the pissing and moaning about sponsor logos, i say keep the original design sans logos. it is a very unique and beautiful shirt.

Wow, does JohnR know how to draw crowd !

Well, now that most everyone has spoken, why don't we just answer JohnR's question. ( YES or NO )

Either on this post or someone start a poll.

We were asked and we answerd if you do not like my answer thats to bad I have a right to it and my offer still stands but I will not buy one of these sorry. Now all you that want it send John your money and be done with it.:yak5: Just hope enough sell to cover the cost as I do love this site as much as anyone else but will give money to it in my way.

Ps no poll needed just place orders to John and order when enough are sold.

It depends on what the objective of the creation of the product is.

Is about selling a cool shirt?

Or is about selling a shirt that will maximize sales and raise a lot of revenue?

In my opinion, if its about selling shirts, then you're better off just having the site logo and selling them cheaper and providing long & short sleeve and pocket no pocket. This way you capture everyone who has a desire for a shirt regardless of shirt style. There are usually no additional make-ready costs for the silk screener to change shirt stocks.

By going with a controversial design you're immediately eliminating potential shirt buyers and shrinking your potential sales before you even print one shirt.

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous.:buds: Back to my beer.



Because there has been talk of shirts/ hats being made and sold for the past 2-3 years that I know of!!! and the only thing that has been made are some stickers!!!
(other than some hats only a select few have who were here from the start!)
I say the design is awesome if it were to please plug builders only , but there is more than just plug building on this site!!!
I say scale down the amount of plugs and add a few other there things to ballance it off !

I suggest that JohnR set up a PM address, like the one for YASBR, for indications of interest/orders for sizes and numbers. Only those with interest in purchase need reply, and JR will have an idea of initial orders.....

Its funny when you're asked for your opinion and when you give it you get grief. I think all of the posts have been well thought out and not just griping.
If the purpose is a plug fest shirt, awesome deisgn, if it was meant as s-b.com shirt, it seems a little too much and does not appeal to a lot of people.
I'd rather have shirt with a big eel on it.... :uhuh:

The shirts will sell regardless of what design John desides to go with. John asked for some feedback/opinions and people have spoken up and have been honest. Now the people who disagree and dont think the design represents SB.com as a whole are being called whiners and babies, grow up people, you're the ones sounding like whining babies now! John wanted our feedback and thats what he's getting. maybe he should have asked for our feeback BEFORE he designed the shirt?

R/R

What could be worse than Clammer ,s Ass ><><


EASY

a poor F #$%^&*( RAIDER ] :rocketem: fan

Ill take two...of whatever you do.....I need some new clothes

I say the design is awesome if it were to please plug builders only , but there is more than just plug building on this site!!!


Just because it does not please you does not mean it does not please a lot of other people that do not make plugs. Let's be clear, it does not please you and some others. That is a far cry from meaning that it only pleases plug builders as there are a lot of non builders that really like the shirt.

GB, I get your idea on the other style shirts but one of the reasons I went this way was that plenty of places have the simple bass - The Black Bass for example, other sites with a simple bass. I just wanted to be a little different - not a run-of-the-mill shirt...

The print of the bass over the guys shoulder in Game Over would probably offend some of the boat guys. Sandsleds would offend somebody, Flys someone else.

Here were my goals:

1) Do a shirt that nobody or at least rarely has done before

2) Do a shirt that showcases what a lot of the people on the site apprectiate - plugs, whether building them or fishing them.

3) Do a shirt, that if not a classic, would be well sought after because people like the shirt

4) Make a shirt that was at least somewhat worthy of waiting all this time through all of the other aborted shirt attempts.

5) Offest some of the costs of the shirt by enlisting some of the sponsors to keep a reasonable price for the members - it's not all about making money.

6) Tie in loosely with some of the events we've had, half of which have been plug based...

Not a goal:

Sell 500 $5 shirts at 15 bucks a whack and make a ton of money. Selling 150 of these detailed Tshirts will make me about $2 per hour for the time I have invested in it. If it was about the money it would be something vastly different.

John wanted our feedback and thats what he's getting. maybe he should have asked for our feeback BEFORE he designed the shirt?

I have done that in the past and gotten similar and varied responses. Which is part of why I wanted something different to break past that - guess I was a little less than accurate....

I like the shirt. And you know we all fish with these plugs. I fly fish also, but I still love plugging and these plugs all fish well. The guys who make them support this site. Start with this design first and then go from there.

JR can you squeeze my name on there, not for any particular reason I just want my name on the shirt too.:rotf2: After all you know how famous I am. Thank you John Pollack!

Oh, and I want to be crystal clear about the sponsors logos listing on the back of the shirt. This was never a shirt to showcase the SPONSORS. The whole part of the sponsors was they were helping with the production costs of the shirt keeping the costs lower to you all, and they were enthusiastic about that. They were originally going to have their logos on a sleve.

So regardless of what happens, don't take a bad eye on those sponsors as they were trying to help me provide the shirts cheaper for you, that's all.

(We'll figure something out :rotf2: :wall: :soon: )

Thanks!

John

If the shirt is going to be produced and sold anyway, why did you bother to ask for our input?

You're going to produce the shirt, so just do it, and this thread was a total waste of time giving our input if you're not going to listen to our suggestions.

Just produce the shirt and be done with it. it will sell, just not as many as a shirt with the actual SB.com logo on it. At least in my opinion anyway.

I just have trouble understanding how an official SB.com shirt doesnt have the official SB.com logo on it!? Just makes no sense to me!

I call it constructive criticism, Thanks for everything you do John

is this kiss butt enough

If the shirt is going to be produced and sold anyway, why did you bother to ask for our input?

You're going to produce the shirt, so just do it, and this thread was a total waste of time giving our input if you're not going to listen to our suggestions.

Just produce the shirt and be done with it. it will sell, just not as many as a shirt with the actual SB.com logo on it. At least in my opinion anyway.


I needed to see if I can cover the minimum production run, litteraly $2000, if there would be enough interest. That was the purpose of the thread. I may still do it I may not do it. I'm really not sure at this point. I don't NEED to make money on this shirt but I can't LOOOSE money on it.

So without sounding like a jackbutt, I'm not doing anything else on a shirt for a while because I'm tired of working til one in the morning on a shirt, and getting pissed at myself for taking my vacation days from my real job to work on this instead of working on my boat, taking my kid fishing, or all of the other "fun" things I could have been doing.

We've had half a dozen threads asking for shirts. When I ask for a slogan, I get a couple jokes and attempts. When I asked for a logo / symbol, I get a lot of art directors and little art. No general consensus. Guess I should have expected that this time too.

I call it constructive criticism, Thanks for everything you do John

is this kiss butt enough :rotfl: No Butt Kissing desired ... Yes, constructive criticism.... I know

Personally I really don't care what the shirt looks like as I would buy it anyway.Its the least I can do to support what I consider my "home" on the net.

Whenever you ask a question of this nature you get the complainers. It never fails. They pipe in to be hurd and that's about it. we have a great community here. The logos belong to sponsers of that very same community.
Make the shirts they will sell with no problem at all.
I'm in for a couple

Whenever you ask a question of this nature you get the complainers. It never fails. They pipe in to be hurd and that's about it. we have a great community here. The logos belong to sponsers of that very same community.
Make the shirts they will sell with no problem at all.
I'm in for a couple

Camplainers?? I think not, it's called input! We have expressed our opinion about a shirt that does not represent this site. Its a shirt for plug builders and not a shirt for this site, it's that simple. And we were basiclly asked what we thought, so we speak up and tell what we think and now we are all a bunch of complainers?:doh: Un freakin' real.

If you dont want input dont ask. If you ask for input, then input you will get. There has been alot of good suggestions about shirt design in this thread. And that is called good input!

If its a dead issue then its a dead issue.

I thank you John for trying!! But with a site this big, your going to end up with all different opions!!

You might be better off having a meeting with the Moderators and disscuss what you want, between the higer ups you should come up with something nice, then just sell them!

I am by no way a artist or even a good photoshop guy!! But something like this mite just be the ticket??

It shows the striper, the plug, and Amercian theme.

http://syncboard.com/albums/Fishing/item_5.jpg

Or something like The red whit blue bass on the main site on back with the S-B logo on the pocket??

I have a t-shirt that has about 25 freshwater lures on the back. The front of the shirt has a multi-color/multi-font size phrase that states "Life is Full of Important Choices"
People would read the front and say the same what is written. When they see the back all the lures are there with the same phrase in larger print dead center.

I still would have liked a person size striper dressed in waders and korkers on the rocks with a bent rod. (Like reverse roles)

Whatever you do is fine, I'll order at least one.

I may have read JohnR's original post wrong, but I don't see where he asked for opinions.

He just asked if we'd buy it or not.

Obviously, if you don't like it, you're not going to buy it = No and that's OK cause that's what he was askin'

If you like it, you're probably going to buy it = YES

Pretty simple

JohnR had an idea in mind and "fessed up to the bar" and did somethin' about it. After several missteps to offer other shirts and hats, etc. it would be a shame to have this venture go down in flames also.
If this t-shirt venture were to fly, maybe there would be other t-shirts available. Maybe a S-B Tourney Leg 2006, 2007, etc. or S-B shirts.

Ya gotta start somewhere. Let's start by supporting "the man"

I would prefer a pocket.
Thank You!
All this fuss about a shirt.
I'm just gonna get a coffe stain on anyways..

I hope u fish that plug..

JBird,
These things for sale or what.
Too much reading; feel like I'm back in college.
I can see this much discussion if we were all buying SB.com three-piece-suits, but for a shirt?
I'm sure I probably just said something that offended somebody there so I will conclude with a very nice goodbye.
I love you all!
Super Happy Non-denoinational Vanilla Rickman:thanks:

Camplainers?? I think not, it's called input! We have expressed our opinion about a shirt that does not represent this site. Its a shirt for plug builders and not a shirt for this site, it's that simple. And we were basiclly asked what we thought, so we speak up and tell what we think and now we are all a bunch of complainers?:doh: Un freakin' real.

If you dont want input dont ask. If you ask for input, then input you will get. There has been alot of good suggestions about shirt design in this thread. And that is called good input!

Please attempt to be more consise as to why/how the shirt does not represent the site. Thanks.
I think one or more of you "inputers" have a bone for the owners of the plug companies who's logo's are shown.

What I really don't want is the shirt to be a flaming / pi$$ing contest. PLease, it is supposed to be a good thing :tooth:


Thanks!

John:spidey: :ss:

(my son is clicking on smileys):bshake: :smash: :smash:

It IS a good thing! I'll buy one and like NIB says, I'll probably spill coffee all over it. I always do....:o Oh yeah, keep the sponsors. I pretty sure that they are a major reason that we all get to play here, give'em credit. You too, JohnR! Thanks!

Thanks for making the effort. You can't please everyone but will sell a bunch. You can always run another design in a year or three. Thanks for busting your a$$ to support a great site.

Please attempt to be more consise as to why/how the shirt does not represent the site. Thanks.
I think one or more of you "inputers" have a bone for the owners of the plug companies who's logo's are shown.

Go read what myself and others have posted, and you shall find why we believe it doesnt represent the entire site.

I've said it's a cool shirt, just not one that totally represents the site.

Just print the damn shirts and be done with it! :rotfl:

Go read what myself and others have posted, and you shall find why we believe it doesnt represent the entire site.

I've said it's a cool shirt, just not one that totally represents the site.

Just print the damn shirts and be done with it! :rotfl:

Oh My God - Skip caved on something :spidey:

F%$#@ this shirt BS..The Pats are on..:wiggle: :D :bl: :wid:

Oh My God - Skip caved on something :spidey:

:tooth:

It IS a good thing! I'll buy one and like NIB says, I'll probably spill coffee all over it. I always do....:o Oh yeah, keep the sponsors. I pretty sure that they are a major reason that we all get to play here, give'em credit. You too, JohnR! Thanks!


More than likely when u make me laugh.
:D
Like the time u punched ur airbrush right in the mouth..
:hihi:

Those are the same two bass I use on my business card and letterhead.........

Regaurding the thread ? nope

Less is more. .02

I would have tossed some art/suggestions your way but I'm afraid they'd all be too explicit, remember..I'm the one who wants an R-rated site :D.......I think it's pretty cool though. I'd actually like the design on the front so I can see it while I'm wearing it......I hate carrying around 2 mirrors...:rotf2: Make one especially for me like that...and I'll buy it. :uhuh:

Seriously though, stick to your plan - I think the majority of members would buy one. Take pre-orders and see if it fills up. If it does fine........if not....:crying:

:spam: this thread spammed itself :spam:

Nice shirt. I'm not much of a plugger myself but i would still buy a couple shirts to support this site. You've worked hard for this site and i appreciate that. This site has given me hours of enjoyment and carries me through the long winter. Do the shirt and you'll sell plenty

john
you have put in alot of time on this project. make the shirts ... they will sell no doubt about it . would I buy some ? probably ! I like the concept and the art work is nice . a pocket would be nice other wise it is a winter shirt for me . I would rather not have the sponsers name on there but thats just me I remove the name on my truck too . so make em

I wear large .

someone said that the hats went to longtime posters hey as a long long time poster of some seriously useless info how come I didnt get a hat ?

OH AND RICK MAN YOUR A RACIST ( vanilla rick ) !
chocolate steve , coffee artuk , cherry longbow and lemon ben see what I mean

I figured you'd be ranting about somebody taking your lucky charms,
Vanilla Ricks, Lemon Bens, Blue Clovers...:laugha:

Whats the problem with the sponsers.
I don't get it.
they want to help out with the cost's thats good
they keep this site alive..Thats better.

I think I gt that from here on this site? I like the design!

But it might be copy right? Just used it for ex sample.

Like I said, on a site this big, John should have the moderators and himself (board of directors) make the shirt and sell them thats it, you like you buy, if no then you no buy.

I <3 IT

Whats the problem with the sponsers.
I don't get it.
they want to help out with the cost's thats good
they keep this site alive..Thats better.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the sponsors NIB.
It's just the huge logos don't seen to belong on the shirt with the nice picture, that is all. Has nothing to do with the sponsors themselves, we all know they want to help the site.

More than likely when u make me laugh.
:D
Like the time u punched ur airbrush right in the mouth..
:hihi:
NIB, my minds eye sees in cartoons. It's a gift, I think.:poke:

NIB, my minds eye sees in cartoons. It's a gift, I think.:poke:

OK

are these ever gonna be made John?
make them and they will buy them

Bruce - I'm looking into a smaller run but I can't go and drop 1700-2K on the shirts the way I would have needed to in order to buy them the way I wanted. I'm looking into a few protos first...

Do two versions....one for the sponsors and one for the down home garage/shed/cellar builders....that should cover both ends.

Do two versions....one for the sponsors and one for the down home garage/shed/cellar builders....that should cover both ends.

Yeah. That would help me justify buying two. I remember when I had style. Now it's t-shirt, hoody, jeans and work boots everyday. A t-shirt with a print is about as stylish as I get these days. These shirts can be my goin out shirts. I'll wear one on casual fridays and one on SATURDAY NIGHTS.:buds:

I,ll front S/B >COM / the money /but not that shirt // it looks like its for the plug guys only //or a shirt that was made for a special time ;;

I know a girl that is making ALOT} of money on E/B /because she has access to unsolds shirts // mostly biker flings :confused:

Keep It Simple

that would sell well in hawaii :lurk:

I,ll front S/B >COM / the money /but not that shirt // it looks like its for the plug guys only //or a shirt that was made for a special time ;;

I know a girl that is making ALOT} of money on E/B /because she has access to unsolds shirts // mostly biker flings :confused:

Keep It Simple

that would sell well in hawaii :lurk:

The SB logo like on the top of the page, or one like the sticker, small logo on the front, light blue, or green shirt (hell, even gray) :).. I know, the boss hates it, but, way to go IMHO, and ya don't look like yer wearing a hawaiin shirt.

Guys - you all would not beleive the amount of time I have put into that shirt. THe design I came up with was far too divisive, I'm not going to start that argument again. A lot of people liked it, a lot jumped up on my stink. I just don't feel like going down that road again at this time....

We'll address this a bit later...

Thanks....

John,
Im In for 4 shirts(3x). please PM me when you are ready to place the order I can send $$$ via paypal if need be. Great design :claps:

Im not sure when Ill be back to the site My dad died this morning and Im the oldest and need to be with the family. Ill will see a PM via my email and will respond thru that.

hope everyone has a safe and healthy Holiday.

Joe

all this talk and no action:rocketem:

and i'd shoot that pit bull puppy too.:nailem::nailem:

clammer and others, John first set these up for the plug guys, so that is why there is plugs all over it. I guess maybe he should have first posted the question in the plug forum so as not to get so much criticism :wall:
sorry to bring it back up John, just thought maybe they could be ready by plugfest 2007 since nothing happened in 06, I realize you put alot of thought into these and it's appreciated. thanks


Joe, very sorry for your loss :(

Let me know where to send the check or money order I would like a few of those. ThomT

im in for an xxl

Guys - not taking any orders at this point. IF there is a run of these shirts I will have a second thread on it but it won't be until after the New Years...

Nice work JohnR, I can appreciate all the time you must have in on these puppies.

John,
I think it a fabulous piece of artwork and would make a heck of a poster for the next plug fest with only a minor amount of tweaking.

As a t-shirt I'd have bought one to support the site, but probably would not have worn it. Then again there are lots of things I'd put on my wall that I would not wear on my back.

Warm holiday wishes to all, and my condolences to fishnfool.

John,

As a new guy to the site and a guy who designed a T Shirt for a group of guys fishing BI this year I can definitely appreciate your efforts. The graphics are first class and I would be honored to put them on a shirt if no one here can agree and you want to see your efforts come to fruition. I would also buy a couple shirts of whatever is decided.

Now as far as the sponsors. I think they should be thanked by everyone for putting in some extra $$ to keep the cost for the members down.

I know not everyone will be happy but if you used the design for a spring shirt and then do another shirt for the fall with the design help from everyone who has other Ideas that could be close to pleasing everyone. If that is even possible.

If your talking $20 a shirt then that should be a drop in the bucket for anyone who is fishing for S-B no matter how they enjoy catching them.

Thanks for the effort and time

Guys - you all would not beleive the amount of time I have put into that shirt. THe design I came up with was far too divisive, I'm not going to start that argument again. A lot of people liked it, a lot jumped up on my stink. I just don't feel like going down that road again at this time....

We'll address this a bit later...

Thanks....


Would socks be better?

with or without seperate toes ? striped or solid ?

with or without seperate toes ? striped or solid ?



You funy bastage....my younger brother u may be?

I was hoping for sleepers.

Put me down for 3 XXXXXL Please

Geez...JohnR..I dont know how you do it...:angel:

I have pretty much kept out of this thread, not that I post much anymore, but I seem to remember many , many tides ago that some of the regulars (read not just plug turners) wanted some shirts and hats done. In all fairness I like the pictures of the plugs, but there is just too much going on in the shirt.

Now I am not sure who John is dealing with for the shirts, but I am sure there must be other contractors who would do smaller runs of the shirts, maybe even two different styles.

I think a more comical approach would be a striper sitting at a computer surfing the reports section to see where not to hunt for food....

Hi Billy!
Where you been?
I'm in with him, but if we made an ol timer's shirt it would be like you, me, chris, dave, bruce, john, and bill from ri, with weird handles...
Oh yeah, and Patrick, too.
Lata,
Rick

You've got a better chance of striking a permanent peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis than of getting the plug builders and sponsors all on the same page.

i like it. :huh:

Whatever you decide, put me down for a couple!

Just a reminder - not taking shirt orders at this time. I'll look back into this in a month or so but too busy at the moment on some other things...

Thanks!

John

I can't believe I just wasted a half hour of my life reading this. Crikey.

In answer to the original question, no I will not buy one. It's not because I'll only wear blue shirts. It's not because I need a pocket for my cigarettes. It's not because I use mainly eels and not plugs or because I think sponsorship of a t-shirt is wrong or because I wear only plain shirts or because I want something with a flag on it or because I need an XXXXXXXXXXL shirt in order to encompass every interest of every member of the site. It's only because RRC is going to get 4, and I don't know what he's going to do with that many shirts if he doesn't give a couple to me. :hihi:

The SB logo like on the top of the page, or one like the sticker, small logo on the front, light blue, or green shirt (hell, even gray) :).. I know, the boss hates it, but, way to go IMHO, and ya don't look like yer wearing a hawaiin shirt.


Honestly John.....Take the logo from the site, slap it on above the typical pocket area of the tee and I bet they would sell like hot cakes. we are fishermen for gosh sakes! we dont need lots of fuss! no need to kill yourself over a design.Put a striper on a shirt and we will buy it! Its the "nascar effect" meaning put a drivers number on anything and the fans will buy it! You have plenty of us just "itching" to buy shirts its not even funny. I think people are getting cranky about t shirts because they hear talk but never see shirts for sale.

Create a paypal account for a t-shirt and once you get the money to cover the cost then you send to production. It will be like a "reverse layaway".
You can even have a money counter to show progress.

Alot of great ideas, one I don't hear is quality of t-shirt cost vs graphics cost. I would rather have a more well made shirt with less design than an ink laden piece of cheesecloth. I do own a Surfrats.com shirt with sponsors logos on the short sleeve and most fishermen think it looks cool. John, take a break for the holidays and don't sweat it.:thanks:

Put this on the pocket

And this on the back

I'm in for a couple xxl :cheers:

Im IN :D

im in . I want toed socks with stripes and a pair of grey slip on pants . one pair of large slippers preferably grey or black and the red smoking jacket .

I agree, a quality shirt, where the artwork won't start flaking off.
With all the time spent on this endevour, I'm sure you'll make it a winner.:claps:

I would love to purchase a shirt!