How often do you get schooled by a fishing partner? How does this make you feel? It used to be that I would get pissed if a buddy of mine out fished me on a given night. I would get all bent out of shape knowing I wasn't the top dog of the night. As the night would wear on, I would get more and more worked up which probably led me to do even worse.

This season the roles have been reversed and one of my fishing partners has pretty much put me in my place night after night. One night, I stood along side him as he landed several nice fish to the low 30#'s while I landed nothing over 20. On the trip to Cutty last week, I only managed fish into the low 20's while this guy tonged bass to the 30's again. Saturday morning, along side the same guy, I again took fish to about 20#'s while he landed twice as many bass to 28#'s. This was a spot I grew up fishing and he had never made a cast into before this trip. Am I just becoming a better guide this season, or am I slipping? :tooth:

Seems to me Tlap, that you know what your doing so, I would just say that whats happeneing right now is just a matter of the "other" guy having a horseshoe in his pocket, you getting 20s and him 30s is nothing more that a matter of luck.....your catching, thats all you can ask for, size is something no one can pick and that happens to everyone now and then.

Its fishing with a buddy, not competition.

I am usually on the short end in my group of fishing buddies......just the luck of the draw I think....occasionally I will come out on top (but not often) however I am always happy for their success as that is what we are there to do....catch fish! :cool:

The more guys you fish with the more your chances go down and like bigfish said Its luck of the draw.........I dont like fishing with more than one guy tops

INTERESTING THREAD! I beleive in an old golf saying (though I thouroughly detest the "sport") 'You are only as good as the people you play with". If you "play"with mediocre cronies your skill levels will only attain that same level. If you seek out those with, as my friend Alan Cordts says, "the passion" to learn more, find better ways and put in the time, you by your association with these same folks should become better yourself.

Being stubborn in accepting new ways to take fish or accepting new advances in gear technology can hinder you. Look at what is happening these days on the surf fishing scene. Rigged Sluggos, inland black bass techniques of a bullet weight and a large rubber worm taking cows from the surf. Tech lines and braids, fluorocarbon leaders and lines and the latest in reel designs and rod manufacturing with ever lighter components.

If you have that "passionate" drive to be the best you can be and also the desire to asociate yourself with the best at your chosen methodology it would only stand to reason that your success vs. failure rate should begin to tip the scale in your favor.

To be successfull you must make the conscious choice of who to fish with and that should be one of if not the primary task in becoming a better fisherman. As for having nights when the guy next to you is tonging them and your not, that happens more than most people will admit. I can remember a night pitching live eels in the canal where on both sides of me, guys who I was fishing with were on constantly, and I, using the same exact tackle and bait, could not draw a take. I left. Two years ago on Longnook in July Stifftip took 13 beautiful bass on the same exact plug and tackle as I and I was 30 away and got one. Some nights your chi is just not good enough I guess, no matter what you think you know.

Lastly, in another old saying that holds true as we percieve ourselves to be head and shoulders above the "average" casual surfcaster is that "the more you know the less you can be sure of". What that means is sometimes we tend to overthink a situation and in doind so confuse what is usually a very basic situation. I do that all the time and it always kicks me in the head.

"Lastly, in another old saying that holds true as we percieve ourselves to be head and shoulders above the "average" casual surfcaster is that "the more you know the less you can be sure of". What that means is sometimes we tend to overthink a situation and in doind so confuse what is usually a very basic situation. I do that all the time and it always kicks me in the head."


I say this over and over and over and over, the constant over thinking and over analysis makes people fish worse not better.....relax!

But Flap....you are "head and shoulders" above everyone....even me!:bgi:

It is all about respect. Listen and listen some more - HEAR what is being said and not told.

I get schooled each time I go out and I learn from every time I get skunked. Fishing certain times in a tide cycle is important - some spots are better at low than at high. Im my experiece, you don't know until you try the other end. Currently I haven't made the time to learn any one area THAT well (my family obligations will always come first over any of my hobbies).

I have never cared if I was top dog at anything I ever did in my life. I am not a failure if I don't come out on top. Does that make me a lesser man - NO. I am not going to get into a pissing contest with some one over anything unless I get they are dead wrong. I did graduate validictorian in my 8th grade class - does that count>!? LOL ( I felt 2-3 others were more worthy than myself, but I was a better all around student supposely).

Getting schooled each time out is a good thing - that means you are keeping good company IMHO. Eventually the student becomes better than the masters. :) That is what I can hope to think that some day I could help some one learn about something I love. If you aren't getting schooled you should find better fishing buddies. :D
How can you get better if you don't get humbled - that is how I look at it.

I could never be a guide. If I didn't like some one for whatever reason I couldn't take then out and be nice to them. People expect a service and fishing isn't about catching. Some folks can't keep their mouths shut and will post the GPS co-ordinates online. :( If some one wants to fill their freezer of meat they can go buy the fillets from a market.... LOL. Ok - I rarely have fish in my freezer anyway - it gets eaten shortly when it is available.

Toby - I sent you some pm's last week. ;)

There two of us that alway's fished together, sometimes three..we'd take turn's pissing each other off..then there'd be nite's when we were all matched up.fish for fish......tis life...fish for fun.

Its fishing with a buddy, not competition.
I never said I was competing, just sort of making an observation out loud. I know a couple reasons why I am not doing as well as I have in past seasons, with less time on the water being the main factor this year. I would be willing to say that most of us are competing with something when we are out, whether it be competing with ourselves for a new personal best or with each other for the fish of the night. Even if you are not willing to say this out loud, I think it is there in some form or another. I think to say you never have an urge to "be the best" at something means you are probably lieing to yourself. A little competition can be a huge driving force to keep me going and make me get out of bed in the middle of the night to go stand in the dark and hurl offerings towards the horizon. The surfcaster I was referring to in the earlier post has paid me some huge compliments over the past couple seasons. I stil say I have learned 10x as much from him and my other fishing partners though! . At times, this has even put some pressure on me mentally when we are out. To see the guys I fish with do well actually makes me feel good about myself these days. I no longer get bothered by this fact. Now, I make notes as to why I did not do as well as I could have. Maybe with age has come humility.

You guys know I fish with RI Rockhound in the surf. He's been my partner for 3 years. Bryan and I never consider it to be a competition. If he beats me on any given night I am happy for him. Same if I beat him. We have never had this "you beat me you
bas*%^$$ted" thing.
I fished with Gil Guilletone for the better part of 20 years till he passed on. Gil and I never had the competion thing. It was as it is with Bryan and I. We are a team. If I need help landing a fish, he's there for me. If he needs a hand, I reel in put my rod down and lend a hand. That's they way it should be. We don't necessarily fish next to each other all the time. But when we do, that's the way it is.

I think the idea of competition referred to is being perceived wrong. I was not saying I or anyone I fish with makes a point to do harm to the results of others. I'll be the first one to stop fishing and help land a fish for a friend or to pass along what I am learning to them.

Here is a question that is at the root of the direction this thread is going, how would you define your inner drive to do better?

I think if you are catching fish in the 20 pound class consistently you are doing good believe me, you should not be getting pissed off at all you are out in nature, and you have people to fish with. I have to fish alone most of the times because most of the people I know don't fish like I do. the safty factor goes way up when you are alone.

I know it stinks getting the smaller fish but it happens to everybody, funny thing is is that people never post when they get skunked it is only when they have a good night with good fish.

If you are getting mad while fishing maybe you should find something to do that makes you happy.

Great thread /gotta reread it /but I,m late //gotta get out //

I,mm sure there will be alot more to read later >>>>>

I know what you are saying T-Lap about the "competition" thing....yeah, I agree with you I think many of us do have that mini "compitition" going on...always wanting that new personal best or at least some fish that make the night memorable! :btu:

:btu: My brother smokes me every time we fish together, but hey, what the hec!:wavey:

I swear to God, and I'm pretty religious, Catholic school and everything. Every time I go fishing with an itchy butt, I out fish everybody on the beach! Actually, sometimes I make sure I have an itchy butt before I go fishing these days.

I know this is gonna be kind of crude, but it has become one of those strange supersticions I have, so please let me explain in detail. First off, lets face it, Everybody tries to take a dump before they embark on an all night fishing excursion. It's easier at home then on the beach/rocks, what ever.

Well, this all began for me when I went fishing on the Cape for a weekend a few years back. I had a slight touch of the stomach flu this particular weekend, and the runs had become an obvious problem. After fighting the traffic for 5 hours, if I remember correctly, it was the weekend of the P-town Gay Parade, out of frustration I decided I would have a few beers. Bad Idea. After number four, my stomach sounded like a perkalator, and I decided to call it quits. I went to bed for a few hours to wait out the tide, got up, and was still feeling quite lousy. Anyway, a little ague isn't stopping this guy. I jumped on the pot took care of buisness and hit the road. However, because of the bug, the preliminary dumpage was not enough to suffice. Let me explain.

I got to the beach, aired down, drove to my spot, tied on, threw the waders on, then it hit me. I felt the rumble in the jungle, thats what I like to call it anyway. There was no way I was driving back off the beach at this point, and I had a few wet wipes. So I decided to go dig a little hole and........ I don't feel I really need to elaborate much further. On second thought, maybe I will anyway.

I don't care who you are, the old emergency situation has happened to evreybody. You all know, you can't get the same wipe on squatting over a hole in the sand as you do at the throne at home. Because of this, after an "emergency situation", one naturally is going to walk away with an itchy butt.

It was one of those mornings when there was a slight sw west out there. Where I was fishing, that wind is at your back, and usually tends to lay things down as far as surf goes. To say the least, I wasn't expecting to have much action. There was a thin fog though, and I like the fog.

When I finally made my first it cast it was still very dark and I was one of the only people on the beach. I believe I was tossing a needle to start. Nothing! I started to cycle through the plug bag to no avail. Everytime I would change up, I would think to myself, "Wow, my butt sure is itchy". Anyway, it got to be false dawn, and I decided I would throw on a yellow canal special. At this point, the beach was crowded. Not to crowded, but you could definitely see a good number of fisherpeople in either direction, none of whom were seeing much action. Well, once I tied on that popper, me and my itchy butt started to slay the fish! The cool thing was everything was on top, and we all know, there is no feeling more exillerating then seeing a good size striper explode on your offering when the rest of the water around is relatively still.

To make a long story shorter, nobody but me landed a striper that morning. I lost two to the seals, and beached 6 between 15 and twenty pounds. I know those aren't huge fish, but they seem big when everyone around you is catching rat blues.

The next morning was a repeat performance, itchy butt and all. I walked away with fish, while everyone else on the beach looked perplexed, I'm sure wondering what my secret was. Little did anyone know, it was just my itchy butt. So, Toby, next time you go fishing with this guy, I don't mind if you utilize this technique. And remember what Confusious said "He who goes fishing with an itchy butt, comes home with a smelly fish finger". I hope this helped.

You guys know I fish with RI Rockhound in the surf. He's been my partner for 3 years. Bryan and I never consider it to be a competition. If he beats me on any given night I am happy for him. Same if I beat him. We have never had this "you beat me you
bas*%^$$ted" thing.
I fished with Gil Guilletone for the better part of 20 years till he passed on. Gil and I never had the competion thing. It was as it is with Bryan and I. We are a team. If I need help landing a fish, he's there for me. If he needs a hand, I reel in put my rod down and lend a hand. That's they way it should be. We don't necessarily fish next to each other all the time. But when we do, that's the way it is.

Paul,
same way i am with my fishing partners

If the guy next to me hooks up and says its large, I immediately put my rod down and billy goat over to him to land the fish
it or vice versa

a good laugh is had when the fish is only 15 # and kicks the *(#@ out of you......theres usually some good old fashion busting involved

to put it plain and simple....you fish with your friends, not for competition but for the commradery, memories that I will take to the grave with me

I get schooled every time fishing live pogies with Capt. Mike B.
But I would bet most anyone here would also !!!

I'm reely not joking about the itchy thing ya know.

Am I just becoming a better guide this season, or am I slipping? :tooth:
Maybe he's bringing you down, I say ditch him! :jester:

T, you know who i used to fish with alot and you know how good he is-
when I was really gettig whooped, he would take the time to watch exacctly what I was doing differently than him and give advice. He would also happily let me stand behind him and study what he was doing so i could learn his techniques.

I never got mad, but i did get a little frustrated. The important thing is to turn that frustration into cureosity and learn from it.

I also learned alot from the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& last year- agian, i never got mad, and asked alot of questions..

Always be open to learn new things, even if you think your way is right.

Toby,

You mentioned that your partner fished virgin water to him with you. Since this was new water to him, did you point out and put him in the better spot? I found that I was becoming a better guide putting my brother in the best spots, the rocks I would normally stand on. Little did I know, he got a few extra feet on the cast, had easier access to deep water and caught the better fish. As Bill said, luck is part of the equation but as we all know fishing can be a game of inches.

Clammer is right. This is a great thread. Good idea Toby

Great to have a fishing buddy for sure, Piemma! RIRH and you two must have a blast.

My best fishing buddy is gone. Died when I was 19 yrs old - both of us sophmores in college (1983). Had a dream of having a charter business down in FL (both of us were anti-social so I doubt we would have done that.....LOL). He fishes with me when I go out. He kind of makes me get up when I don't want to and drag my butt out there.

Being out on the water - listening to the water and feeling the air blow .... smell of the ocean. Not a worry in the world - life is grand where I catch something or not.

I stopped fishing for a decaded after I lost my best friend.... gave up a lot of things. Started back up .... as if I never stopped. Two idiots standing in the water cracking the ice off our guides when we couldn't feel our hands.... LOL.

Sorry - getting a little sentimental. :(

Luck does help over skill sometimes. I had some newbies out before & they caught way more and larger fish than myself ! Made me feel good that I was able to get another "HOOKED" on to fishing.

Ran into a young boy - may be 10'ish fishing up near Gloucester/Rockport area last Wednesday just before sunset. He was using some white Storms on an outfit that was his grandfathers = he said his GF loved to fish and had the gear in the garage so he decided to use it. 6.5' Conventional boat rod w/ Baitrunner 4500A on it w/ some 20 lb mono - he didn't care ... he caught a couple of schoolies. I was having good luck w/ a Yozuri Hydro Popper and fish were exploding under it sending in couple of feet in the air.... lol. After catching a lot of schoolies I decided to call it quits and have dinner w/ my elderly friend who was staying at the Inn next to the beach. I unhook my lure and walked over to the boy and said "here, take this - it's working pretty well for me". Kids now a days could be learning to do a lot worse things than to fish. :D More the merrier IMHO - can't have enough kids fishing! My elderly friend saw me give the lure away and asked me what I was using and I told him it was the lure I had given to him earlier that afternoon to use. ;)

I enjoy people discovering a new hobby. Nothing brings more cheer to me than a kid catching a fish and running back to their folks screaming ..... look .... look .... I caught a big one!

I can't believe nobody said anything about the itchy butt story.
Mikey was so proud of himself that he called me at work at three pm on a rainy Sunday with a 4pm Pats game on.
Words can't describe how busy it was.
He was so giddy that he really couldn't talk.
Maybe we should all pm him and tell him how great his story was.
I don't know what it had to do with getting schooled.
Is he trying to tell us all that only the "itchy butts" will catch the "worm?"
I usually only get schooled by Mikey...I've schooled him before, many times, though.
I have a real problem with competitive fishing, I really only care about how much fun I'm having when I'm out, large, schoolies, or nada.
Had a ball with one of my best friends the other day, and between the both of us, I caught one six pound fish.
If you're catching and I'm not, I'll watch and learn...I wont try to mucle in on your spot, just stand very non-chalantly and look at what you're doing.
Still amazes me that one of my best friends will fish right next to me with 30 year old line and a 10 dollar rod, with a bright green bucktail at RP and still be the only guy on the beach that managed a fish in the middle of the day, and never has seals in front of him.
He'll tell you he's the worst fisherman in the world, but he catches.
Y'all know the Beatitudes with the meek thing...he's straight up meek!
OK gotta be back to work in 8 hours.
Later,
Rick

The itchy butt story was great, all you need is a hemoroid and your all set it will never stop itching

In the eight minutes it took me to post, Mikey has been monitoring the site too see if I replied, then just called me to ask how funny I thought it was.
He really is proud of his itchy butt.
Itchy butt brother, clothing optional father (hope he doesn't read this, he hates that stuff."
Good thing my girl's normal.
Later,
Rickman

I been there and yeah its very frustrating. At times I know why it happened and other times I can only guess.
If one guy has knowledge of that area he's gonna know where most of the fish are taken. Sometimes its a flip of the coin(you take that rock I take this one) or hole ect. and there ain't chit you can do to control that.
I've been over big schools of fish and can't put fish in the boat while the guy next to me is bailing'um, wtf . Alot can be said about haveing the natural feel in what ever style of fishing your doing and with that comes confidence. It isn't easy being a good jigger but when your taught by a good jigger and fish side by side you know what feeling expect....same can be said for eels, plugs ect.

Some people are very competitive .. I try not to be and the people I fish with are cool . We'll yell out what were taking fish on ,,,try to help eachother out .. I think alot of times its just luck getting your stuff in front of the fishes face . Hey Flap ... you forgot to mention smelly jelly...

fish with a few people- no competion with them- love it when they catch! love it when i catch! it's all good.

MD2020
You sound like a great guy.

How often do you get schooled by a fishing partner? How does this make you feel? It used to be that I would get pissed if a buddy of mine out fished me on a given night. I would get all bent out of shape knowing I wasn't the top dog of the night. As the night would wear on, I would get more and more worked up which probably led me to do even worse.

This season the roles have been reversed and one of my fishing partners has pretty much put me in my place night after night. One night, I stood along side him as he landed several nice fish to the low 30#'s while I landed nothing over 20. On the trip to Cutty last week, I only managed fish into the low 20's while this guy tonged bass to the 30's again. Saturday morning, along side the same guy, I again took fish to about 20#'s while he landed twice as many bass to 28#'s. This was a spot I grew up fishing and he had never made a cast into before this trip. Am I just becoming a better guide this season, or am I slipping? :tooth:

Toby,

Good thread and here is my take... When its your turn, its your turn. This is what a comrade on the cape used to tell me all the time.Sometimes you are fishing the same spot, tide, presentation, bait, etc., and it seems you can't do anything right. Sometimes it seems you can't do anything wrong. I used to dismiss this philosophical b.s. that this guy used to tell me. Now the longer I fish, the more I believe it. Chock this saying up with my top three:

1. What are you catching NOW? :conf:
2. Show me the slips :rtfm:
3. When its your turn, its your turn.:happy:

In my yrs I have fished with some pretty good surfcasters,so being skooled as u say is not something new to me.Over the past few yrs i believed I could carry myself with anyone.As u may know, I like to travel some an got to make some good friends an fish in some very interesting area's.The North East is a wonderfull place chock full of nooks an cranny's that require Yr's to disect.Even for a thinking man being lead by the hand it is hard to compete when someone has all the little nuance's of a particular area or style down like clockwork.One thing I have learned is there will be spots within a spot.I like to call em Hotspots area's that for some reason hold the better or bigger fish.
U would be surprised there is a spot in the canal for instance..
Where 5 oz jigs an 100 yd cast are the rule.the guy who can thro 115 yds is in a hole other zone of fish.an if ur standing the same 20 yds down from the main rock ur getting beat up 5 to 1.I found it hard to believe but it's true.
I have been on both sides of the beatings an i think i handle it pretty good I try to understand why.watching, learning.I can leave catching fish, being content but not catching drives me further.This drive to be a better fisherman is what has taught me the most in all my yrs. of fishing.I don't worry bout being skooled as long as I get something from it.
Too me it is what makes this sport so interesting.It's not always about the biggest fish.It should be more about the art of angling disecting a new area breaking it down an finding fish. As u draw from past experiences, an ones u have yet to encounter...

I suppose you should be paying attention and getting some "schooling" every trip out Even when you are high hook!.

I suppose you should be paying attention and getting some "schooling" every trip out Even when you are high hook!.


I agree u should try to learn every trip.
Even a blind squirrel finds the acorn.
Why, was the wind different does he like to real faster or slower.there are millions of reasons.there is always one.
I used to fish alot of LMB tourney's as the competive juices in that game are very high.On thing it taught me, on the tough days,someone always came in with the bagfull.
There is a reason for everything. I often contemplate hundreds of em when I'm not catching.It's what we do as fisherman or atleast I do..

Some nights you catch
Some nights you don't catch
Some nights everyone catches,
Some nights nobody catches
Some nights you gaff your partner fish and he takes over your place in the club standings.. then said fish comes untied from said anglers leash and you have to atomic drop into a hole to pin the fish to the rocks before it can swim away....

And NIB; your right.. I ALWAYS contemplate/question when I'm not catching...

I have learned from everyone I have fished with, PIemma, JoeP, E/M, Nebe, GooseFish, and everyone else not from the site/internet.. hopefully they learned a bit from me too...

Toby, what drives me is me, fishing clubs and contests are fun but but drives me is that somewhere, someone is catching fish that I could be catching.. and it's just what I love to do... I'm happy fluking, trolling tuna, catching sea bass, scupping, sharking etc.. its all good... Bass at night from the surf and Blackfish in a boat just happen to be better than the rest... what my buddy on the rock next to me catches doesnt drive me to beat them, just to catch my own fish!

I have schooled and been schooled- its a cycle. Sometimes you have the mojo, sometimes he's got it on the side of you. Or sometimes he has a 2 oz Tattoo darter and I don't!

... somewhere, someone is catching fish that I could be catching.. and it's just what I love to do...
:btu:

Maybe he's bringing you down, I say ditch him!

Done and done! :D

As had been said, never stop learning! I learned several items the other morning fishing the spot with the "new guy". The only really bad fishing triops are those in which I do not learn anything. I wish I could say I put him on what was always my "best rock", but the whole area has treated me well. To be honest, the spot he caught on may have been the one spot I have never taken fish from.

Some people are very competitive .. I try not to be and the people I fish with are cool . We'll yell out what were taking fish on ,,,try to help eachother out .. I think alot of times its just luck getting your stuff in front of the fishes face . Hey Flap ... you forgot to mention smelly jelly...
ya....like you and me out there yelling back and forth...."what do ya got on????"
"Blue and white needle"
"Huh?"
"Blue and white needle"
"I can't hear you"
"#%&$@ BLUE & WHITE NEEDLE!!!!"
most of the guys I fish with are not competitive with each other...that I know of anyway..and we all share info and network where the fish are
Sometimes it is your nite and other nites it is a classroom......I watch everything and soak it all in......Ive learned ALOT this past week alone

Canalman and I have schooled each other many nights, I have never gotten p!ssed or frustrated if he schooled me and he doesn't when I school him. We're glad for each other, I think thats what a good partner is all about. There's no competition between us when were fishing, it's just us against cow bass.:bshake: :laugha: I remember one night he got his biggest bass ever and I topped it on the next cast,,OOPs, I felt kinda bad but we were both happy with our catches. He's since done the same to me.:realmad: :tooth: It's all about having a good time, and we always do. The only frustration we have is when neither of us are catchin'.

RM...for what its worth I am still laughing about the itchy butt story...but dont be offended if I dont shake your hand:err:



ANYWAY......Last year while LMB fishing we couldnt catch to save our lives no matter what we did.....and we tried it all. So here is our frinds kid with a bobber and shiner set up....doesnt even cast it.....just drops it over the side of the boat (literally only 2-3 feet of line in the water) and is nailing Smallmouth bass left and right..from the same spot...and in the middle of summer...needless to say we adults were schooled that day!

here we were trying every technique in the book when all we needed to do was to throw the book aside....

I'm very happy to be schooled - so long as they did not get the fish of a lifetime that I frigged up - then I'm not too happy.
But overall, my best article ideas and product selections come from being schooled - being beaten is one of the best opportunities you'll come across.
With some people I intentionally try not to compete - usually when I know they are better. I just kind of lay back and watch everything they do.

Hey backbeach I heard you schooled someone at their favorite spot the other night. Nice fish. I have been schooled many a time. The canal this spring was a perfect example, standing next to tony and backbeach watching them pull decent fish, while I was sitting there looking like an idiot

I was fishing side by side with a good friend of mine once...we knew the fish were in this certain hole, we start fishing BANG!, he's ON, it's big - over 40#s...I drop the same exact offering in the same EXACT hole....bang? I'm on..........32" fish,,, His next cast,,, BANG!...he's ON, it's big..another fish over 40#s, again I cast in the exact same hole...bang? I'm on .......another 30 + INCH fish,,,, His next cast,,, BANG!...he's ON,, it's BIG...another fish pushin' 40 POUNDS!......yeah, I don't have to tell you the size of my next fish.
Did I feel schooled? NO,,, but I felt something...was I happy for him? ECSTATIC...did a small voice inside me ask....WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING DIFFRENT?WRONG???........of course,:spin:
I didn't feel schooled as we were fishing the same method and we did catch fish consistently....the bigger fish just liked him better that night.:lossinit:
But I hear ya, there's a small competitive monster in all of us, some admit it...some don't. ...and like you said Tlapinski, not in a bad way at all......just in a competitve way.:claps: Good Thread.

I agree with alot of what has been said here and alot of it describes what goes through my head all of the time.

The competition "feeling" is always in me, I can't help it. I think it comes from an athletic background. It's not the type of competition that I get upset, especially when a friend is catching - its always just an anxious feeling of "why am I not catching also", which leads to a healthy competitive drive to do better. The same goes for when I'm driving or walking to a spot - I get a very anxious feeling of "I hope noone is where I want to fish" - and it doesn't go away until my feet are planted where I want to be. It's all part of the strong drive to fish...

I also agree with RIRockhound/Bryan that learning as much as possible & as often as possible is very important. I've learned from fishing with him & Piemma, from fishing with a couple other guys not on the Board, and from talking to others. Learn on the water and off the water. More of the competitive drive to do better.

I also agree with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& that many times I am guilty of overthinking a situation and changing what I've done in the past & had success at - whether it be where to fish or how to fish. That too gives me a feeling in the pit of my stomach afterward that "I should have known better" - and again fuels the competitive drive. This is especially true now that my fishing time is more limited - when I blow a trip for some reason it really aggravates me.

The best part of all of this competitive philosophical stuff about fishing is that there is always the next trip out to erase what happened the last time.

Funny, many (non-fishermen) people I know think I just go out there & throw something into the water & fish - as simple as that. They have NO IDEA what goes through our minds... :D :kewl:

One observation I've made, fishing with the same guy every night for I'm not even sure how many years - some nights I catch more, other nights he does, but at the end of the year, the totals are very close. There's not much competition between us, more like a team effort to find the fish. He starts with one plug, I'll start with something completely different and start covering the water with different techniques. If there's anything around, one of us will hook up. If one of us finds the correct "pattern", the other knows very quickly, switches techniques and starts drilling fish.

I fish alone most of the time - sometimes I "school" the bass - sometimes they "school" me. Either way - I learn and win. That's what I like about this game.

DZ

One observation I've made, fishing with the same guy every night for I'm not even sure how many years - some nights I catch more, other nights he does, but at the end of the year, the totals are very close. There's not much competition between us, more like a team effort to find the fish. He starts with one plug, I'll start with something completely different and start covering the water with different techniques. If there's anything around, one of us will hook up. If one of us finds the correct "pattern", the other knows very quickly, switches techniques and starts drilling fish.

Same way here Adam

sounds like you guys have a great team

I fish alone most of the time - sometimes I "school" the bass - sometimes they "school" me. Either way - I learn and win. That's what I like about this game.

DZ

An intense course of "one on one"study is a prerequisite to a higher degree of "Bassmanship" and DZ has attained that level. (BTW Dennis Al Gag says Hi and we talked today of the snowstorm blitz. Man, if there was ever one event that I wish I could have been part of it was that!) Sorry I missed you the week before but there is something coming your way and one for Zeke too ( Who btw is a great guy).:uhuh:

I agree with alot of what has been said here and alot of it describes what goes through my head all of the time.

The competition "feeling" is always in me, I can't help it. I think it comes from an athletic background. It's not the type of competition that I get upset, especially when a friend is catching - its always just an anxious feeling of "why am I not catching also", which leads to a healthy competitive drive to do better. The same goes for when I'm driving or walking to a spot - I get a very anxious feeling of "I hope noone is where I want to fish" - and it doesn't go away until my feet are planted where I want to be. It's all part of the strong drive to fish...

I also agree with RIRockhound/Bryan that learning as much as possible & as often as possible is very important. I've learned from fishing with him & Piemma, from fishing with a couple other guys not on the Board, and from talking to others. Learn on the water and off the water. More of the competitive drive to do better.

I also agree with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& that many times I am guilty of overthinking a situation and changing what I've done in the past & had success at - whether it be where to fish or how to fish. That too gives me a feeling in the pit of my stomach afterward that "I should have known better" - and again fuels the competitive drive. This is especially true now that my fishing time is more limited - when I blow a trip for some reason it really aggravates me.

The best part of all of this competitive philosophical stuff about fishing is that there is always the next trip out to erase what happened the last time.

Funny, many (non-fishermen) people I know think I just go out there & throw something into the water & fish - as simple as that. They have NO IDEA what goes through our minds... :D :kewl:
I think JoeP summed up my feelings.
I enjoy how we fish and even more so, enjoy the guys I fish with. :skulz:

An intense course of "one on one"study is a prerequisite to a higher degree of "Bassmanship" and DZ has attained that level. (BTW Dennis Al Gag says Hi and we talked today of the snowstorm blitz. Man, if there was ever one event that I wish I could have been part of it was that!) Sorry I missed you the week before but there is something coming your way and one for Zeke too ( Who btw is a great guy).:uhuh:

Hey Flap,
Say hi to Gag. Just saw some of his Pocket rockets the other day - someone finally got the "Stubby" right, at least the design, haven't used one yet.
Thanks for your kindness.

DZ

Those instances,and there're many,of being "schooled" have resulted in some of the greatest fishing experiences I've had.While my partner was catching more and bigger fish than me I was also catching the most and largest fish of my life.

Its all outlook:the glass is half empty or its half full.

One observation I've made, fishing with the same guy every night for I'm not even sure how many years - some nights I catch more, other nights he does, but at the end of the year, the totals are very close. There's not much competition between us, more like a team effort to find the fish. He starts with one plug, I'll start with something completely different and start covering the water with different techniques. If there's anything around, one of us will hook up. If one of us finds the correct "pattern", the other knows very quickly, switches techniques and starts drilling fish.
Tobias ,,,,I bet ...

I enjoy how we fish and even more so, enjoy the guys I fish with. :skulz:

I agree. I fish alone alot, which has its place sometimes - but its more enjoyable to fish with a couple of guys who you get along with well & who share your approach to fishing. That leads to the "team approach" discussed above by Adam & Jim... Great way to enjoy fishing & have more success.

I dont know about u guys, but i really like NIB's posts..very matter-of-fact and always full of good applicable info....:uhuh:

Another schooling last night. Well, not completely. I learned from the weekend trip and managed fish to just shy of 30#'s. You know it's a good night when all 3 guys don't mind leaving because, "we've all caught our share of bass..." 3 hours of fishing, non stop action, nothing under 20#'s, GOOD NIGHT.

Oh yeah. Learned another important item too. Make sure your fillet knife is not sitting back home and the only thing you have is a 3" blade. :poke:

Some nights you catch
Some nights you don't catch
Some nights everyone catches,
Some nights nobody catches
Some nights you gaff your partner fish and he takes over your place in the club standings.. then said fish comes untied from said anglers leash and you have to atomic drop into a hole to pin the fish to the rocks before it can swim away....


Man, do I remember that night. I wouldn't have that fish if it wasn't for Bryan's amazing tackle of a 25+ pound fish loose from the leash.
Thanks partner!!

Another schooling last night. Well, not completely. I learned from the weekend trip and managed fish to just shy of 30#'s. You know it's a good night when all 3 guys don't mind leaving because, "we've all caught our share of bass..." 3 hours of fishing, non stop action, nothing under 20#'s, GOOD NIGHT.

Oh yeah. Learned another important item too. Make sure your fillet knife is not sitting back home and the only thing you have is a 3" blade. :poke:

Toby,
Nights like that get you through the winter and make all those "dry" nights bearable.

If you don't keep any you won't need to remember that fillet knife.. ;)

DZ

Lets hope they stick w/ this wind shift, I think theres some big girls in there looking for a lip piercing :skulz:

Lets hope they stick w/ the wind shift, there are some big girls in there looking for a lip piercing :skulz: