towed this thing over 100 miles on that trailer with a 3/4 ton dodge/cummings
got 18 mpg in the truck.



stage 1
destruction.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/thefishingfreak/DSC02227.jpg

flybrige is off..
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stuff we don't need..
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my best helper..
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cordless sawzall and a 5# sledge.. best tools ever..
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lots of room down here... my wingspan is 6'2".
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no rotted wood..no wood actually solid glass hull, glass stringers..
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the powerplant..
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gas tanks are empty.. phew..
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lots of room under deck for fishboxes and the like..
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next the roof and bow sections/gunnels come off.

Thats all I can say.....WOW.....:cheers:

My same thoughts FF. I do like that hull, I see why you wanted it - will be a nice ride when you are done.

You doing anything to the outer hull, or is the gel in good shape ?

no that will be painted.
leaning towards black right now?
although that flying lady yellow is a close second.
maybe red/white/blue:devil2:

As someone who has restored a boat in much better condition, RUN!!!!!!!

Good Luck if you stay with it.

best of luck with the project , your a braver man than i .

DEfinately FF, good luck with it. Its a lot of work but the price was certainly right.

reminds me of the african queen there .......humphrey .... fun fun...

Good luck Mike looks like a fun project. What's the length of that thing. I am sure you will do a top notch job. P.

26' long
9' 6" wide. plenty of room.

That project is going to cut into your boat hoing time, big time !!!!

sweet, all that extra crap just slowed it down!

Somehow Ron I think he'll find the time to ho until he's done. :hidin:

Freak - how about black - where the upper is blue now, then white, then black bootstripe, with black bottom paint ??? I assume you'll keep it in the water all season.

awsome!!!!!
army green! that thing looks like it will be a tank

I like the help you got. bet they work cheap :D

Freak - how about black - where the upper is blue now, then white, then black bootstripe, with black bottom paint ??? I assume you'll keep it in the water all season.

I still like white, it camoflages you when ther are 100 boats around.

Mike,

What are your plans, Center Console with a t-top or dog house?

no that will be painted.
leaning towards black right now?
although that flying lady yellow is a close second.
maybe red/white/blue:devil2:

here's an Artists view....for inspiration...of her done...for ya :btu:

Ravenized.... :rolleyes:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/SS-FishingFreak.jpg

You really are gutting it Mike! Wow, I guess there was ALOT of rot.
You have a long road ahead of you. good luck

Mike,

What are your plans, Center Console with a t-top or dog house?
pilot house. full cabin / hardtop/ full glass / open back / heat

raven's got the right idea.:kewl:

Is it done yet?

mike ...cant wait to see what it will look like next spring .....make it the way you want. its a labor of love .....good luck ..dave

Mike nice little winter project it should keep you busy, now I know what those plug sales are going to.

I do like the way they look.

I'd like to take a trip to NY to see this one. (Maybe)......

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatDetails.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&currencyid=100&boat_id=1587171&checked_boats=1587171&back=%2Fcore%2Flisting%2Fcache%2FsearchResults.jsp %3Fhmid%3D0%26sm%3D3%26enid%3D0%26currencyid%3D100 %26cit%3Dtrue%26toLength%3D29%26luom%3D126%26ftid% 3D0%26fromLength%3D28%26ps%3D30%26man%3Dluhrs%26sl im%3Dquick%26spid%3D131&searchtype=

I do like the way they look.

I'd like to take a trip to NJ/NY to see this one. (Maybe)......

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatDetails.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&currencyid=100&boat_id=1587171&checked_boats=1587171&back=%2Fcore%2Flisting%2Fcache%2FsearchResults.jsp %3Fhmid%3D0%26sm%3D3%26enid%3D0%26currencyid%3D100 %26cit%3Dtrue%26toLength%3D29%26luom%3D126%26ftid% 3D0%26fromLength%3D28%26ps%3D30%26man%3Dluhrs%26sl im%3Dquick%26spid%3D131&searchtype=

Hope you have a DEEP fuel budget...

FF good luck!

Van; look into something like this, then add the hard top if that's what you'd like. Save yourself a bundle and have a better made boat.:tooth:

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/boa/218723621.html

Van, only 110,000 you saved that on your sons collage fund, now go spend it on yourself.

Van, only 110,000 you saved that on your sons collage fund, now go spend it on yourself.
Hope so , not written in stone yet though..We still got more schools to look at.....He'll prolly end up at MIT and cost me my entire retirment !!!!!!!!

But I'm still hoping....
:rtfm: :btu: :drool: :hihi: :hihi:

Sorry for the highjack Mike.....:fishslap:

more progress..

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/thefishingfreak/DSC02315.jpg
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do I see a star an stripe paint job coming:humpty: she be done in no time...:kewl:

getting there.
what do you think of gorilla glue for the fiberglass to rim/lap joint? whatever you call it?
ie: the glass hull sandwiched between two strips of plywood

there website says 100% waterproof, strongest glue on the planet, etc...

i gotta grind down to raw glass anyways. but maybe that will work better-faster-neater thean mixing cups of fiberglass resin.
i'll resin and matt whear needed, after.

I've had poor luck with gorrila glue in a marine environment. I now epoxy everything.

getting there.
what do you think of gorilla glue for the fiberglass to rim/lap joint? whatever you call it?
ie: the glass hull sandwiched between two strips of plywood

there website says 100% waterproof, strongest glue on the planet, etc...

i gotta grind down to raw glass anyways. but maybe that will work better-faster-neater thean mixing cups of fiberglass resin.
i'll resin and matt whear needed, after.

West or MAS.... don't screw around Mike.
You can get away with fast cure epoxy.

your cure (dry) time has to be fast..... :hs:

thats what i figgured..
i have a heated shop so temp is no problem

Wow Mike! I thought rebuilding my little 14 Aluminum skiff would never end, can't imagine a project like that. Good luck and keep the pics coming so we can see the progress.

Got a friend out east today will get report tonight, will let you and Stiffy know if it still worth it.

holly chit. :kewl:

Mike, next time I'm up your way I'll drop off your straight Jacket...Good luck and I can't wait to see the finished product.

Mike, you are a freak :gf:
When you get to the windows pm me I can help:rtfm: ...1/4 lami cut to size:kewl: maybe bronze???lami..

Freak with all that work your putting into it you have to put the freak flag paint job on it.

Mike - here is a scary conversion for you - don't go this deep:

http://classicmako.com/projects/xshark/

Freak with all that work your putting into it you have to put the freak flag paint job on it.

I agree, the whole transom above the waterline should be a freakflag.

more progress.
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all steam cleaned and ready to start building
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the motor braces are rotted those will need to be re-done.
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Looking good Mike!

Big open CC

Big open CC

an i'll be sleepin in it :hidin: gotta have room for the family too.
nice big cabin w/ a flush head. full glass all arround, hardtop. gotta fish all year in any weather. this would make a kickass center console.
i watched a 420hp volvo tamd go for 800 bucks on ebay last night.:devil:
that would be sweet, just a little too heavy i think.

Man o man , all I can say is you are an ambitious and hardworking guy. That is a LOT of work, but if anyone can pull this project off by the Spring ? :musc: , you can.

Looking good, very good :claps:

Nice clean start! Be sure to mark holes from engine mounts somewhere on hull for reference later, trust me... Should have chimed in earlier, but when we re built a 1957 Beals Island 37', I wished I had referenced everything we took off by weight and location of the weight. When we repowered, the block moved forward, the transom and knees were new, and I raised the coach roof for headroom. All these changes were enough to affect how she floats on her 'new' lines.
You building a plastic shed around her for the winter build? Was always a challenge to get temp up enough to epoxy. I'll be down after the run is done.

more progress.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/thefishingfreak/DSC02349.jpg


all steam cleaned and ready to start building
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the motor braces are rotted those will need to be re-done.
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I'm going to be the 1st to hoe a ride on that when it's done !

yeah one side at a time like doing brake shoes. i know what you mean.
if i need heet i'll just back her in the shop and hit it with 10,000 btu's of radiant gas heat.:blush:

deffinitly gunna be different weight placement. maybe big block maybe diesel? i got thousands of pounds of gear and cod jigs i can move arround for ballast.

gotts to do some research now on wood. and resin.

bummer now is,,, i took her off the trailer today and put it on stands. my bud need his trailer back. so i gotta find a trailer. maybe a piece o junk yard trailer i can move it in and out of the shop for the time bieng.. gotta keep an eye on craigs list for free trailers.

I'm going to be the 1st to hoe a ride on that when it's done !

ok.
you first on the list..:cheers:

Mike,
Only one empty Budweiser can ?
I thought you could do better then that !
Great Job
VB

man you're moving right along. Keep us posted, looking good.
What engine is that?

350 chevy. or "marinepower" 260 hp. borg warner velvet drive 1:1 ratio. 1992 year freshwater cooled. 500 hours. that will be ripped appart tomorrow night and inspected/re-gasketed/painted.




only one bud can,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in the pictures :cheers:

only one bud can,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in the pictures :cheers:

The guys over at ClassicSeaCraft define job and project scope by amount of beer cans expended during the particular job. Small to mid projects are < case. There will be keggage involved here ;) Keep up the good work :btu:

motor is ,,,,,,,, JUNK :wall:

do i hear deisel:read:

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i am greatly enjoying your progress.

This is an interesting development.

keep us posted.

Zac

wow, youve made alot of progress Mike. Ill drop bye the shop one day this week.

thats too bad its junk. Diesels are pricey. can you get one out of a junkyard and put it in a boat?

i watched a running 420 hp tamd volvo go for 800 bucks on ebay last week :wall: right down the street in r.i. too
that would do me nice.. they put twins in these things so a 420 volvo weight wouldn't matter. i bet the flybrige i'm leaving off weighs as much as the difference..
thats the plan now watch ebay for cheap 350-400 hp. diesels. the fuel saving in one year alone will cover the cost.

they didn't winterize this thing right, water was left in the exaust manifolds and it creaped into the head. down the pistons and in into the oil pan :poke:

deisel it is :humpty: :boots:

If you look in the right places you can find one that is coming out of a boat about to be repowered, or has been overhauled. I know 2 years ago Mass Martime had a couple running diesels that went to there aution for short money. If you look around you will find stuff pretty cheap.

Hmm MMA auction is in the next two weeks I believe....

no progress this weekend.

there are however,, two boats in the yard now..

I scored a FREE 6,000# tandem axel trailer w/brakes:btu:
just had to take the piece o' junk boat that was sitting on it too..

wait till the bossman sees another boat in the yard:whackin:

hey,, more parts right? :hidin:

no progress this weekend.

there are however,, two boats in the yard now..

I scored a FREE 6,000# tandem axel trailer w/brakes:btu:
just had to take the piece o' junk boat that was sitting on it too..

wait till the bossman sees another boat in the yard:whackin:

hey,, more parts right? :hidin:


That come from Rockland ???

That come from Rockland ???


:faga: :tooth:

motor is ,,,,,,,, JUNK :wall:

do i hear deisel:read:

Nice piston, looks like she inhaled a little salt..Make a good anchor now..:hihi:

another free SCORE..:wiggle:
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lets see we got a 12/110V norcold fridge.
110V/gas stove.
electric head.
freshwater tank
2 fire ext.
3 compasses.
rodholders.
12V breaker panel
110V breaker panel
battery isolator.
battery charger,
battery inverter.
trim tab switches.
cabin lights.
antenas.
steering wheel.
ships bell.
cleats.
hawses.
bilge pumps.
drawers.
paper towel rack.
remote spot light.
couple fake mirror portholes.
huge, flip up, bench seat.
and a couple gaffs :wiggle:

friends with boat junkyards..
if it's free it's for me:D

I must be going to the wrong junkyards!!
Nice score

Ehhhh.... the Volvo Pentas aren't that bad, but parts when you need them hurt the wallet something fierce.

back on the new,tad small but free, trailer today.
tomorrow we go wood shopping.
thatsa big hull. my sloburban 1500 could fit inside no sweat.
got keel?


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Nice Mike. I need to score some free rod holders for my brother's boats...knucklehead doesn't have a one between the TWO!!!!

Would love to see a sketch or drawing of your plans. Use good stuff for cleating up cockpit decking and cabin sole, but do not spend much on the materials that will be serving as those floorboards. That's because they will be trashed after the build and you will want to fit in new after the big jobs, especially power plant install. It is definitely something to plan out as you build the bulkheads with the B grade stock, as I assume you wil be glassing those in.

Make any sense to pull trim tabs during build? I know I would be hitting those in the shed more than once!

I could get you a good price on a new Mercurser...

PM me...

I also have a 8 foot bench seat out of a 27' Tiara/Prusuit (spelling) you could have...

Freak if that trailer is to short, you might be able to flip it and pick up some quick cash here --> http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/wan/232405558.html

nice, thank you...
i'm on it :cputin:

:btu:

Even more... Teleflex / Morse 33c / 3300 Control Cable 27ft - $10 -->
http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/boa/233600417.html

started mocking up some stuff.
gunna add some flair to the bow and raise the cabin up a little bit in the process.
i wanted to give the flair a good 3" extra beam amidship ala buddy davis, but there's one major problem with that.. it won't fit out of the garage door after :wall: as it is now i have to grease up the gunnels to get it in. also i won't be able to complete the wheelhouse/hardtop inside as it will be too tall.:read:


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Mike you sure move fast! Flair looks great. Can you gain any space by cocking it to the side? If not you could get one of the portable garages and set it up sort of attached to the side of the shop??

i have about an inch on either side to get it in and out.
i'll do what i can inside over the winter, then look into a portable shed.

Thats what I was going to suggest. get it mocked up and build it outside. I love that carolina flare :drool:

? about the trailer. R U concerned with the tongue weight of the trailer with the stern so far off it?

ura animal.. cant wait 2 c it complete...c.c.c.

Mike,

How are you going to fill that in....2 layers of 1/4" ply? Boulter has nice long sheets as you probably know. Theat will be a funny shape when layed on a flat board with lots of wastage from the sheet. I suppose you could strip it with plywood in directions too with less waste.

i'm going to strip it with okoume plywood.

Curious, are you using the pressure treated as a jig only or is it going to be permanent? :think:
Know what you mean about the space, I started building a layout boat in my basement once. Had to stop half way through when I realized I wouldnt be able to get it out the bulkhead!:smash:

so awsome! you are a handyman-and-a-half.

as far as the trailer, it's only to move it arround the yard.
the pressure treated is permanent.
basicly planning as i go.:rolleyes:

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sorta somewhat the idea
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Not sure I would use PT wood if you plan to glass any part of it, the oils and what not will not allow a good bond, just what I have been told. Looks good though you definately have imagination and draw pretty good too.

yeah, i tried all kinds of different glue/resin on it. nothing will stick to it. i'll have to switch to something else..

looky what i found right down the street.
2,400 hrs, dirt cheap. just gotta figure out what horsepower it's rated for?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/thefishingfreak/DSC02495.jpg

Mike - if you are going to encapsulate the whole piece with cloth & resin and the ply is securely attached to the frame and coated, it will be strong as using pine for a brace. I am assuming that you are going to completely cover all your wood with glass on both sides. The cloth will add strength to the understructure. :wid:
The sketches you provided are great. What drawing or CAD system are you using?:conf:

no CAD system, pencil and paper.:grins:

the fiberglass won't stick at all to the presure treated at all.:doh:

Looking Good Freak, :claps: impressive to say the least. Keep the pics coming I'm enjoying the hell out of this thread. :btu:

no CAD system, pencil and paper.:grins:

the fiberglass won't stick at all to the presure treated at all.:doh:

I was going to offer my design services but you're more talented than I :hihi:

I see you already found out about PT not good with resins... Don't know much about that but the CS guys are pretty confident that it won't work

ditch the PT

get marine plywood.

You could laminate 3 pieces of 1/2" ply or 2 3/4's to get that 1 1/2. If on a budget you really don't need to get the more expensive marine or okume pylwood for that purpose. AC plywood will work just fine for that particular application.

When it comes to doing the cockpit floor which will be glassed over, many of the guys I know use MDO.

For more "important" and structural parts of the boat use the good stuff.

FF I have some pretty big pieces of leftover 3/4 marine ply and some CDX 3/4 smooth on one side if ya want it

FF I have some pretty big pieces of leftover 3/4 marine ply and some CDX 3/4 smooth on one side if ya want it


yeah i'll take it. i have to go pick up the bench seat in cohaset possibly friday i could swing bye then.

i've since laminated two pieces of plywood together to replace the presure treated. huge difference in strength with the plywood, plus it really soaks up the resin.

For more "important" and structural parts of the boat use the good stuff.[/QUOTE]



This is good advice Mike!!!
Don't go the cheap way out!!!
You need to make that boat good and safe for as much time that I plan to spend on it !:hidin: :hidin: :hidin: :heybaby: :heybaby: :heybaby:

ok here's what i did.
got rid of the presure treated.
laminated two pieces of plywood together with resin then cut to shape.
then i used mohogany boards with okoume plywood in the middle. all resined together and clamped and screwed. the center one is triple thick. i figgured to support a small pulpet.
still mocking stuff up with cheapo pine as i have a habit of screwing stuff up.
almost ready to glass these supports in permanantly.

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Mike - you are a craftsman. Looks real good from the photos. I think you added mucho strength to the structure by slipping the braces over the existing glass. Your transition inside as well as out will be real smooth.

holy leftover turkey... lol

you should be workin at a boat yard........

or be running freaks boat shop or sumthin...

because you are way off the charts man...

for a do it yourselfer... your using rocket fuel.

very impressive.... :claps:

awesome work, you crankin dude

Mike did you mention pulpit?? I have a teak pulpit that someone stuck on the front of my SC it's all yours

Thats a really cool project! :D

Mike's kid was too cool when he came for the bench today. He'll rember your project for ever...

sure i'll take the pulpit.. thanks for the wood too.
thanks for the bench seat too.

the last pic is just a test overnight. i'm gunna see if liquid nails will hold the wood to the glass hull just enough so i can lay the heavy mat over it. filling the huge gap with resin looked like a very messy job.



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Looking good Mike!
You're one sick puppy...I mean that in a good way..
Have fun..Can't wait to see the finished product.:humpty:

[QUOTE=thefishingfreak;436160]

the last pic is just a test overnight. i'm gunna see if liquid nails will hold the wood to the glass hull just enough so i can lay the heavy mat over it. filling the huge gap with resin looked like a very messy job.



Looks great Mike

don't use liquid nails to fill that gap
use thickened resin peanut butter consistency, mix wood flour with resin to make the paste.

also be sure to sand off all paint and gelcoat, clean surfaces well for best adhesion.

you been busy

wood flour, i'll try that
i been putting sawdust in it but it just makes it lumpy.:spin:

Look at that, yesterday you couldn't even spell Boat Builder, today you is one. Great looking job!!!

Mike West Systems 406 is a good product to use for thickening epoxy, there's also cabosil, milled fibers. US Composites in Springfield is the guy you want to talk with he can get you what you need and has great prices too!

all glassed in. the wood flour worked great.
so did the liquid nails, as i could not get that one off.:musc:
3 layers of heavy mat.
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its gonna take shape real fast. looking good

plugin along.


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Your a freak, were are all the Buds :scream:
VB

Your a freak, were are all the Buds :scream:
VB

no buds.
O'doules and root beer. :cheers:

To throw a boat building party for some wood workers knock a lot of that out in a day Hmmm free beer and cook out Ill bet you get some help maybe not work but a lot of good chat!

what gives??? no pics for the past 5 days??? :popcorn:

i love the smell of resin in the morning.:grins:

Yeah ,awful quiet......still need a motor?



http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/boa/245026613.html

60 hp, may not cut it

the boat will be getting scraped, and all the parts will either be trashed, used in my sons tree fort, or put on ebay.

i will take the time and money i had planned on investing in this boat and try to save my marrige.

thanks for all the help but this is a time to put my priorities in order.


family first.

that is all,
carry on.
Mike

Mike. Very honorable thing to do. I hope things work out well for you. Best of luck to you and your family.:wave:

Good luck Mike. That is a very important thing to do. Best wishes for you and your family.

Good luck Freak, no doubt your doing the right thing ... but for what its worth, you were doing a hell of job on that boat.

Good luck bud

i second fishsmith... mike you have some talent there.

what if you turn in into a full time family boat and part time fishing boat.

time on the water can be quality time with the family.

Good luck... if your boatless next summer give me a call, I'l be glad to take you and your son out... you know where I am...

Your still a freak :tooth:
VB

Happy holidays ,best wishes to you and your family..

Mike family first - think long about abandoning the project completely.. Best wishes are with you. D

when your in a heated workspace....

there's people around that would gladly go help you,

to speed things up....it would be fun for them....

we need more of that kind a thing for s-b-ers

especially during the winter time.:read:

Sorry to hear this Mike I wish you the best of luck !