It's funny how for so long I didn't even read the scuppers and now that I do, I've found this whole new breed of ball busters and people whose balls I can bust. I just wonder how many of you guys Dem or Rep take this stuff REALLY seriously? Now I don't mean allegence to your country or your political beliefs, I mean these posts. I sit here at work and laugh my @$$ off, at the stuff we all say. Obviously, (I'm sure :laughs: ) I'm not a Bush fan and not really thrilled with the way the reps have been working things. But as scary as some of what has unfolded throughout these last 6 PAINFUL years :tooth: (damn rednecks :laughs: ) have been, I still look at this whole thing as an 8 year joke that will soon be over. So for the most part I take this stuff as a joke; lightly. How about the rest of you guys, what are your thoughts?

BTW, thanks for the political forum John, but I think we should rename it Politcal Battleground... treehuggers vs. rednecks or something like that.

-Dave (The Elitist)

I'm deadly serious...and nearly always right.

People like Bronko can KMA :bshake:

-spence

I'm deadly serious...and nearly always right.

People like Bronko can KMA :bshake:

-spence

Wow... this was clearly and unprovoked attack! :lasso:


John, shut the forum down.:D

I guess that answers my question... I'm glad that you guys take it light-heartedly... :chatter

I'm glad that you guys take it light-heartedly... :chatter

I, for one do not. I take everything that I read on the internet as Gospel. I have had countless sleepless nights and literally have had to cry myself to sleep after reading the unabashed rantings of both Spence and Skip N. They have permanently damaged my fragile Psyche.

Now this board is telling me there is no God....what next, is nothing sacred.

Why don't you just tell me that Car Salesman aren't Hionest or that Wrestling isn't real and just get it over with.

Curse you Al Gore for creating this Vile Medium.....Curse You:bc:

Ok, now I'm really being serious.

If you ever, and I mean EVER use my name again with Skippy's to in any way allude there's some parity, some equal nature, some mutal net worth...

I'm really going to blow. JohnR did it once and I nearly shut down his server...remember, I'm on the inside :spidey:

-spence

I'm Sorry.....it will never happen again

Ok, now I'm really being serious.

If you ever, and I mean EVER use my name again with Skippy's to in any way allude there's some parity, some equal nature, some mutal net worth...

I'm really going to blow. JohnR did it once and I nearly shut down his server...remember, I'm on the inside :spidey:

-spence


You should feel honored to have your name mentioned in the same breathe as mine :tooth:

but it was bad breath .....:jester:

but it was bad breath .....:jester:



:jester:

Good post Dave, truthfully, I do take it seriously. I REALLY like to debate and read others views. I may take a strong stance , just to get opinions out there. I am troubled by some of teh viewpoints from people who appear to be rational and intelligent. I think this anti-Bush focused view that is evident in peoples post is a sampling of the country. An although it may be accurate, I belevie that the REAL threat of islamic terrorism is being overlooked as fear mongering sponsored by the Bush adminstration. I beleive that my family and way of life is threatened by people who want to kill me, veryday, everywhere I go. I do not live in fear ar all, but I want to make sure my government is doing EVERTHING it can to protect my way of life. We are WAY to Dem vs. Repub and we are losing sight of the real issues. Sorry fro the rant.

I beleive that my family and way of life is threatened by people who want to kill me, veryday, everywhere I go.
Sounds like a paranoia.

-spence

Sounds like a paranoia.

-spence

Thanks for making my point.

Not really. Sorry to be so preachy but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding as to why Islamic terrorim exists.

-spence

From OBL
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.

Every Muslim, from the moment they realize the distinction in their hearts, hates Americans, hates Jews and hates Christians. For as long as I can remember, I have felt tormented and at war, and have felt hatred and animosity for Americans

I can paste pages, I dont need to UNDERSTAND why.

Not really. Sorry to be so preachy but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding as to why Islamic terrorim exists.

-spence

The most relevant point is it exists.

The most relevant point is it exists.
If you don't know why it exists how can you defeat it?

-spence

If you don't know why it exists how can you defeat it?

-spence

I had a hornets nest under my pool cabana eaves. I dont know why they chose to build there, but I killed them and they are gone. If they come back I will kill them again.

I had a hornets nest under my pool cabana eaves. I dont know why they chose to build there, but I killed them and they are gone. If they come back I will kill them again.
Excellent, let's start the genocide then...because that's what it's gonna take using that methodology.

-spence

I can paste pages, I dont need to UNDERSTAND why.
And without historical context they would be pretty meaningless.

Bin Laden doesn't hate Americans for some silly or religious reason like our freedoms etc... His anger is because of how he percieves our policy negatively impacts the Islamic world.

-spence

Excellent, let's start the genocide then...because that's what it's gonna take using that methodology.

-spence

I have no intention of exterminating a species. Only the ones that pose a threat.

I have no intention of exterminating a species. Only the ones that pose a threat.
Given the nature of the problem this poses quite a problem.

Trying to kill terrorists in a direct manner has proven to simply produce more net terrorists.

Terrorisim is empowered by the mainstream, and there lies the solution.

-spence

And without historical context they would be pretty meaningless.

Bin Laden doesn't hate Americans for some silly or religious reason like our freedoms etc... His anger is because of how he percieves our policy negatively impacts the Islamic world.

-spence
If not for religious reasons then why is Islam cited in every single communication from Bin Laden and every other Islamic Terrorist? You actually believe its clear logic that drives him? Sorry we dont buy it.

If not for religious reasons then why is Islam cited in every single communication from Bin Laden and every other Islamic Terrorist? You actually believe its clear logic that drives him? Sorry we dont buy it.
Because that's how religious Islamic people communicate, It's part of the culture.

Bin Laden's reasoning is very clear, he's not crazy. This is an intellectual cop out.

-spence

You call this clear reasoning that explains a lot.

"We should fully understand our religion. Fighting is a part of our religion and our Sharia [an Islamic legal code]. Those who love God and his Prophet and this religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest sin in Islam."

It's called RHETORIC.

Compared to what passes as policy from our own politicians I'd say it's quite reasoned.

-spence

we've been down this road 1000 times before.

It's called RHETORIC.

Compared to what passes as policy from our own politicians I'd say it's quite reasoned.

-spence


news flash Spence,,,,people BLOW THEMSELVES UP becasue of teh religious foundation of their beliefs, not so their kids can have a better life, not so there are more jobs, not becuase they are depressed.

news flash Spence,,,,people BLOW THEMSELVES UP becasue of teh religious foundation of their beliefs, not so their kids can have a better life, not so there are more jobs, not becuase they are depressed.
Actually this has been researched quite heavily in the most terror prone place on the planet...Palestine.

About 20% of Palestenian suicide bombers are thought to be Islamists. The vast majority are quite normal people who see no other course in life because of rage, humiliation and despair.

-spence

Actually this has been researched quite heavily in the most terror prone place on the planet...Palestine.

About 20% of Palestenian suicide bombers are thought to be Islamists. The vast majority are quite normal people who see no other course in life because of rage, humiliation and despair.

-spence

show me that research

Actually this has been researched quite heavily in the most terror prone place on the planet...Palestine.

About 20% of Palestenian suicide bombers are thought to be Islamists. The vast majority are quite normal people who see no other course in life because of rage, humiliation and despair.

-spence

Guess what."Quite normal people" dont blow themselves up.

Is it so difficult to believe?

Go do your own reading, I don't remember where I read it...I'm sure you can find a lot of stuff online.

-spence

Guess what."Quite normal people" dont blow themselves up.
Yea, well quite normal people don't engage in ethnic cleansing or genocide either...

Yet it still happens over and over again.

-spence

Damn - I just typed out one helluva rant but I'll save ot for later :hee: :musc: :yak: :fishslap: :tm:

Yea, well quite normal people don't engage in ethnic cleansing or genocide either...

Yet it still happens over and over again.

-spence

Come on, your slipping. You've find a way to rationalize suicide bombing I'm sure you can spin a logical and reasonable rational for genocide and ethnic cleansing.

You've find a way to rationalize suicide bombing I'm sure you can spin a logical and reasonable rational for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
I've rationalized nothing...

Jesus, If I read a story on Germany in WWII does that make me a Nazi?

-spence

I would love to hear John's rant

but of course JohnR has a degree in Rantology

Understanding a situation or behaviour does not imply that ones agrees with the outcome.

I would love to hear John's rant

Someday - just a little tourqued today :bl:

"Rage, humiliation and dispair". I've seen that in these threads several times. I believe the Rage part, but how have these poor muslims been humiliated? What about dispair?

I must confess I am not really interested in understanding why. I'd rather see genocide used on them. But how the f have these guys been humiliated? I believe they humiliate themselves (burkha, rape as punishment, treat women like dogs.) But how has America humiliated muslims? Have they been humiliated by political cartoons and skits on SNL?

Slapshot, thats an easy one! Look how poor countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are! We steal their oil! The poor shieks can barely afford the 200 inch tvs in the Bentleys! Look how poor Muslims are persecuted in this country! they cant worship in peace, everywhere they go, people throw rocks at them. And the LAST straw and most humiliating, our media does not show the valiant mulsim warriors beheading Americans on TV!! How shameful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I must confess I am not really interested in understanding why. I'd rather see genocide used on them.
That's obvious. I always did think genocide was a core American value.

-spence

Slapshot, thats an easy one! Look how poor countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are! We steal their oil! The poor shieks can barely afford the 200 inch tvs in the Bentleys! Look how poor Muslims are persecuted in this country! they cant worship in peace, everywhere they go, people throw rocks at them. And the LAST straw and most humiliating, our media does not show the valiant mulsim warriors beheading Americans on TV!! How shameful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're missing the point entirely.

It's a mainstream Muslim belief that Western influence has allowed Middle Eastern leaders to oppress their people to keep cheap oil flowing.

And guess what? A large part of it is true.

It doesn't mean it's our fault, they certainly have the responsibility to provide for their own people...but still, it is what it is. Bin Laden and others tap into this reality to fuel their fight.

There's volumes of reading available online or at your local library. I highly recommend taking some time to better understand the situation.

-spence

Cheap oil? Wait a minute, I thought George Bush, the GOP and BIG OIL were artificially boosting the price of oil? This is so confusing!

Cheap oil? Wait a minute, I thought George Bush, the GOP and BIG OIL were artificially boosting the price of oil? This is so confusing!
I think there's a little bit of world history before Bush became president.

-spence

Guess what."Quite normal people" dont blow themselves up.

Well, I'd have to agree with that :whackin:

As much as it pains me :bl:

Yea, well quite normal people don't engage in ethnic cleansing or genocide either...

Yet it still happens over and over again.

-spence

Agree with that too

I knew this would get going eventually... I almost titled the post "light fuse and get away".... Maybe I should have. :bl:

:faga:

If someone else posted what JR was going to rant about does that make that person a rantamime? Du ohh :wave: :hidin: :nailem: