OK.
Brian Setzer brought up a good, underrated guitarist...
Who else makes your list of underrated guitarists.
I'm not into jazz or hair metal enough to really comment on any of them....

Some of my top underrated are:
Brian may (Queen)
David Gilmour (Floyd)

MrHunters!!!!!! taught me almost all I know.

Tom Morrello

I wouldnt agree Brian May and Gilmour are underrated. If you look at any of the guitar mags, they are always listed as top players.
I can't post any because its generally not the guitar players who are underrated, but their music, in general, is under appreciated. Most are considered great by those who follow the music. For example, I am sure everyone of you know "Les Paul", because of teh guitar, but how many of you have heard his music? Probabaly very few and he is an absolute brilliant guitarist.

That being said, if you are a fan of the guitar, some greats you may enjoy adn have never heard
Danny Gatton - jaw droppingly great
Jimmy Bryant and Speedy West ( western swing with a tele and steel pedal)
Junior Brown
Chet Atkins
Les Paul
Roy Buchannan

gilmor was underrated???

trey anastasio from Phish gets my vote-

well,
Underrated as far as VH1 type ratings, talking amongst casual fans... Not by guitar world...
Hendrix, SRV, Clapton, Paige, etc.. get a lot of love. These guys get left out...

Chet Atkins is always cool to listen to

well, being somewhat of a professional artist, heres my opinion why they were never embraced by the general public.
1- they made music that was not mainstream
2- they didnt market themselves to the mainstream
3- they stayed true to thier own styles and did not follow the pack that was making mainstream music.

Chet Atkins is always cool to listen to


My dad is a big Chet Atkins fan, still watches the videos now and then. Guy was very talented. My father played for the US Navy back in the day and is pretty good as well. I'm a big Clapton fan, and the guys from ZZtop always have me rocking out.

Mark Knopfler.

Dolly Parton - and no I'm not joking :)

-spence

This might help get things going. This is from Rolling Stone. Who's Missing? Who is rated higher/lower than they should be? These lists always fuel some good debate


I mean Kurt Cobain at #12...ahead of Bo Diddley and Carlos Santana???

Is Keith Richards REALLY worthy of a Top 10 Slot??

Where's Roy Clark? Not my style of Music but you can't take away the Fact that he Wails on the Guitar.

The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time

1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11 Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 #^&#^&#^&#^& Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 #^&#^&#^&#^&ey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden

I was always a big Ritchie Blackmore fan as a Kid....he never seems to get the props he deserves

interesting list, I dont agree AT ALL with the ordering and many names should not be there. I love teh White Stripes, but Jack White does not deserve to be there. Maybe becasue its my generation, but in terms of pure rock and roll guitar development, Eddie VH should be very near the top. He defined how rock guitar was played from the late 70's through early 90's.

Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top) is always on my IPod
See: Gilmour #82 out of 100! underrated!
Jack White at #17...
EVH at 70! that list sucks :D

What about Robbin Ford? Eric Johnson...

And Alex Lifeson :lasso:

-spence

Mark Knopfler.

Dolly Parton - and no I'm not joking :)

-spence
Absolutely Mark Knopfler...........

Interesting side note. On the original Layla recording session half way through, Eric Clapton recognized his limits and put the call out to Duane Allman to give the song what it needed.

Alex Lifeson should be there.
I think the RS list isnt really based on "guitar skills" only, but more of music impact and originality and names are added for controversy for some by some anti-skills music geeks.
I am VERY impressed Eddie Hazel is on there from Funkadelic, he is great. I scanned fast, no Vai or Satriani? Interesting.

Seeing that Robert Cray didn't make the list is a surprise. I guess that makes him way underated.

Vai is nuts, I've seen him at Lupos;
Steve Morse is another shred guy; not my thing per se but fun to watch

Seeing that Robert Cray didn't make the list is a surprise. I guess that makes him way underated.

Great guitarist but what a snooze live :yawn:

-spence

Seeing that Robert Cray didn't make the list is a surprise. I guess that makes him way underated.

Oh yeah! definitely, he just plugs in and plays, no fancy set up. I saw him once from the 3rd row, what a show.

Here is someone you may not know becasue he became a houshold name by making cheesy crappy dance stuff.....George Benson, he an incredible jazz guitatist, one of my all time favorites.

Great guitarist but what a snooze live :yawn:

-spence

ouch! I loved him!

ouch! I loved him!
Well, to be fair I've only seen him once. Could have just been a flat show.

-spence

Great guitarist but what a snooze live :yawn:

-spence

Agreed..........I've seen him many times but the shows are way too clinical. Never a variation, songs right off the albums.

ok, here is one, Jimmy Vaughn, Stevie Ray's brother.
Most have only heard the radio cuts from the Fabulous Thunderbirds, but Jimmie's playing is way cooler than that. He is a very subtle player and plays some very hip blues. He is kind of a guitarists, guitaist and not that popular outside of guitar circles.

I can BS about this stuff all day,,,,,,I'd better relax

Well, to be fair I've only seen him once. Could have just been a flat show.

-spence

Interesting combination at the Melody Tent was Robert Cray Band opening for John Hiatt. Cray was the standard always good quality show but nothing earth shattering, and then John Hiatt came out and blew the tent away. I think it was the "Tiki Bar is Open" Tour. Anyone else catch that?

Number 64 on that top 100 list, Mick Ronson. Absolutely my favorite, my guitar hero.

Arranging, producing he had the talent to make everyone he worked with look and sound great from Bowie to Dylan and tons of people in between.

He died in 1993 of cancer but if you can find a copy of the tribute concert they held in memeoriam for him buy it. It's a live set with people like Ian Hunter, Roger Daltrey, Def Lepard's lead singer and guitarist, Townsend, Queens drummer Roger Taylor, Bill Wyman in Willy and the Poor Boy's, B.A.D., The Spiders From Mars ( Bowies back up band in the 70's) Procol Harum's lead singer does an outstanding version of Whiter Shade of Pale. Just an awesome cd set.

People dont read Rolling Stone for the music, people read Rolling Stone because they dont know what to wear!! Satriani said this once and its true. Unless you really think Jack White is a better guitarist than EVH, Randy Rhoads, and Angus Young, then to each his own.

Oddly enough (and this is not Homerism) I don't see Scholz / Goudreau - from the band Boston up there. Mainstream probably, but in the late 70s early 80s it was pretty good...

They also sounded phenominal in concert (sometimes rifficuled that they sounded too much like the album when actually live)...

Gilmour should be higher on that list :hidin:

My personal favorite is a local musician and a friend of mine.
His name is Gerry Miller, and plays with a number of bands.
The main bands are The Spurs and The Coachmen, which play coutry swing and honky-tonk.
He is also proficient with the 12 string mandolin, so you can only imagine how fast he can play. If I ever tried to play anything like him, my fingers would snap off.
Every one of my friends, upon seeing and hearing these bands play, are astounded at the speed and grace that this man can play.
I know that some are saying "Country ain't real music!", but these guys aren't playing your traditional country fare, but mostly drinking and truck driving songs.

This might help get things going. This is from Rolling Stone. Who's Missing? Who is rated higher/lower than they should be? These lists always fuel some good debate


I mean Kurt Cobain at #12...ahead of Bo Diddley and Carlos Santana???



I never look at these lists seriously. you cant... too many factors play in. opinion, history, technique to name a few.

why isnt eddie hazel on the list? never heard of him? does that mean he wasnt one of the greatest guitar players? In my opinion he was.

Kurt Cobain absolutly deserves a spot if you take into account what he did during his time in music history. Unfortunatly right now we are back to a variation of what music was like before Nirvana.
I could argue this point for hours.

Thanks for the nod TaJon :btu:

scratch the eddie coment.. eddie made 43 :)

should be higher :bl:

On the topic on of great local guitarists Neil Vitulo of Young Neil and the Vipers must be near the top. He's been known to catch a couple of fish too.

scratch the eddie coment.. eddie made 43 :)

should be higher :bl:

ever hear "Super Stupid" off Maggotbrain? Eddie is awesome, I read he died a poor junkie, what a waste.

ever hear "Super Stupid" off Maggotbrain? Eddie is awesome, I read he died a poor junkie, what a waste.

one of my go to albums. great song... but i have to go with maggot brain off that album.

yep he had bad drug habit, spent time in jail....rough go of it.

youtube search for eddie. tons of good stuff

Mark Knopfler is awesome and way under rated!!!

Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham from Fleetwood Mac is way under rated!!!

Robert Cray is a great guitar player in my opinion....I am a fan but live he is always a disappointment! Just going through the motions!

I saw the Cray/John Hiatt show at the South Shore Music Circus 2 seasons ago and I went to see Robert Cray.......John Hiatt stole the show as the lead act he set the place on fire and had the crowd going nuts and then Cray came out and everyone fell asleep!!! Cray needs a horn section with him which I have never seen him tour with the 6 times I have seen him....it leaves a huge void in his sound!


John Hiatt won me over big time....that was one of the best performances I have ever seen and I have seen SRV about 7 times, Clapton about 8 times, BB King, Van Halen, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Mark Knopfler with Clapton, Jeff Beck with SRV......John Hiatt was just awesome!!!:claps:

Buddy Guy was awesome when I saw him too!!!

what about buckethead? not really for the playing, but the guy wears a damn bucket on his head!
Seriously though, for more modern guitarists (not from the "classic rock days)
Slash from Guns and Roses and now Velvet Revovler is just incredible in my opinion.

Kurt Cobain absolutly deserves a spot if you take into account what he did during his time in music history.

Not trying to be a wise-ass or stir up trouble, this is a serious question but....just WHAT did he do. I have always felt that he was one of THE Most Overrated people in Music.

I've had this argument with my brother-in-law and am interested in another take on it.

He died tragically at a time when he had a cult following which thrust him into a group of greats who died too young as their star was rising!

Not a huge Cobain fan but from what I understand there was some genius there!

I'm sure Mr. Hunters has a lot to say about Kobain, but really, he started the whole "grunge" music scene which totally took over the industry for a long time and is still very influential today. At the time Nirvana came out, rock music was dominated by the "hair bands" whose focus was on sex, drugs, and rock and roll, then Kobain comes along with this new, raw sound and starts whining about reality and all of a sudden rock turned around and came back to it's roots. No more glam, just the music was important all of a sudden.

I am not a huge Nirvana fan but I do like the music and appreciate for what it is. I always thought rock should have an element of "glam" in it, I'm not talking about big hair and all that, but it's gotta have a swagger about it that says "listen to me", Kobain just kind of got by on sheer anger and some great songs to showcase it.

Not trying to be a wise-ass or stir up trouble, this is a serious question but....just WHAT did he do. I have always felt that he was one of THE Most Overrated people in Music.

I've had this argument with my brother-in-law and am interested in another take on it.

DF - Im not a Nirvana fan at all, but can appreciate Kurts impact. Sometimes you have to focus on the world of music before and after someone plays. Look at Jazz before Louis Armstrong or Charlie Parker, once they recorded, it changed all the other artists. I think Cobain had a similar impact on "modern" rock. Nirvana hit like and ateroid and suddenly popular rock bands of the late 80s disappeared. Alternative music became mainstream. His songwriting is unique and his guitar playing different. Its not my thing, but I can appreciate its impact.

He died tragically at a time when he had a cult following which thrust him into a group of greats who died too young as their star was rising!

Not a huge Cobain fan but from what I understand there was some genius there!

That I understand but it seems that he is set at a much higher plateau than what his actual accomplishments really were.

Think about it does he deserve the 12th Spot on the greatest guitarist list ahead of people like Bo Diddley or Carlos Santana.....and would he have been placed that high if he was actually still alive and not tagged with the "Tragic Genius" moniker.

I do like Nirvana's Music so I'm not saying this for any specific reason

, and then John Hiatt came out and blew the tent away. I think it was the "Tiki Bar is Open" Tour. Anyone else catch that?

I'm usually a lurker around here because I don't consider myself an expert fisherman, but as a guitar player I'll chime in on this.

A few years ago I saw Lyle Lovett, John Hiatt and a Texas songwriter named Joe Ely at Vets Aud. in Prov. They each played solo acoustic, took turns doing a song of their own and accompanied each other. Hiatt was fabulous! Halfway through the show my wife said, "Who's the guy in the middle? He's a way better guitar player than the other two."

When the "best guitar players" question is asked acoustic players are largely ignored. IMHO it's a hell of a lot easier to crank up the distortion and start bending strings than it is play an acoustic well, that is, to finger pick a melody and bass line together with the RIGHT hand. My additions to the list:

Leo Kotke
David Bromberg
Willie Nelson.....yes, that Willie Nelson. The man can play!

gene ween should be on that list :hihi:

Who ever made that top 100 list is quite an idiot in my opinion. I have seen tons of shows in my day. For Eddie V to be # 70 come on. I have never seen any body play like that dude. Steve Vie and Yngwie Malmsteen would play most of the others right off stage.

I'm usually a lurker around here because I don't consider myself an expert fisherman, but as a guitar player I'll chime in on this.

A few years ago I saw Lyle Lovett, John Hiatt and a Texas songwriter named Joe Ely at Vets Aud. in Prov. They each played solo acoustic, took turns doing a song of their own and accompanied each other. Hiatt was fabulous! Halfway through the show my wife said, "Who's the guy in the middle? He's a way better guitar player than the other two."

When the "best guitar players" question is asked acoustic players are largely ignored. IMHO it's a hell of a lot easier to crank up the distortion and start bending strings than it is play an acoustic well, that is, to finger pick a melody and bass line together with the RIGHT hand. My additions to the list:

Leo Kotke
David Bromberg
Willie Nelson.....yes, that Willie Nelson. The man can play!


I totally agree with your comments on acoustic players, acoustic guitar is really the true test of a great guitarist if you ask me because it is just the man and the guitar. That said some of the great rock/blues guitarist could also play a great acoustic, Clapton, Jimmy Page, Pete Townsend among others, all did some amazing acoustic stuff.

robert, leo kotke is awesome!

as rockport said the late 80's early 90's where filled with sex drugs and rock and roll.. unfortuneatly in that order... You can say but Kurt was a heroin addict.... but the difference is, it wasnt glorified. The music was. Cobains genius lies in the simplicity of the songs he wrote.. He's not the first to make simple songs sound amazing. A little band called the Beatles built their empire on I IV V.

Great guitarist, probably not in my top 10. Greatest creative mind... number 1. He, Nirvana, single handedly put rock music back on track killing the hair band scene.(we should all be thankful for that) By definition they left the alternative genre when Nevermind hit. But that's what music needed at the time. He tapped into that teenage angst and ran with it.

Basically Im just thankful rock and roll was pure again for quite a while. If nirvana popped up anywhere else in time i doubt they would have been as huge.


Right now I think e-mo might kill me.

gene ween should be on that list :hihi:

deaner:bgi:

captian fantasy will melt your face off

captian fantasy will melt your face off

we could start a whole other topic on this :):hidin:

Danny Gatton to me was probably one of the most talented,unknown guys out there. He is gone, took his own life, much like Roy B. and similar but way more chops. Les Dudek, F.Z., Grant Green, Gary Moore, Dave Mason, Robben Ford, Robin Trower, Albert Lee, Joe Satriani, Tony Rice, Greg Howe, Alan Holdsworth, I mean you could go on forever. When you say underrated do you mean guys that are not commercially popular or do you mean people that are truley great players but are not household names. Do you consider unknow as underrated? Kind of goes hand in hand I think. P.

this thread is exactly why i cannot look at those top 100's

hell, i saw a guy play at the blackburn tavern in gloucester this weekend who was better than a few of those guys on the list

im with you, music is an art, not a sport, there is no "best".
fun conversations though, I always like to see others opinions, even though guitar is very close to my heart and I get ticked off sometime. To see you mention Eddie Hazel and Prof M, Danny Gatton, I am a happy man

That list is ridiculous. Joan Jett in the top 100:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :doh: WTF. Flush that list. It is too wide a spectrum to figure out the best. There is no best.

do you feel like crap if your #100 AND behind joan jett?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4PoZ_g_4jI&mode=related&search=

:hidin:

the whole 100 list thing is ridiculous because of course not everybody is going to agree, everybody has different tastes in music, some people like jam band type guitar style, some like blues, some like acoustic. who really cares who is the best? music is meant to be enjoyed, not compared to death.
Nebe, that was some sick stuff there too...

He, Nirvana, single handedly put rock music back on track killing the hair band scene.(we should all be thankful for that) .

And Believe me I am Very Thankful of that.......When hair bands were the norm is when I embraced ZLX and all of the older music like never before. But I also don't think they Single-handedly did it. I think that Groups like Sound-Garden and Alice in Chains had a big hand in turning rock back into something worth listening to at the same time.

But that's what music needed at the time. He tapped into that teenage angst and ran with it. .

Its funny you mention this because this is always one of the Dis-agreements I have with my Bro-in-law. This is the one we become Really Heated about. He always say that Cobain was a genius because he tapped into what the youth were all about, especially in regards to Smells like teen spirit.

I used to say Gee, Teen Angst and a Disregard for the older generation.....like that hasn't been done before....I mean do we label Dee Snyder a genius because "We're Not Gonna Take It" or the Beatie Boys because they want us to "Fight For Our Right to Party"...its not genius to know that Kids are Pissed at thier parents

Basically Im just thankful rock and roll was pure again for quite a while. If nirvana popped up anywhere else in time i doubt they would have been as huge.

When Grunge came on the scene is when I started to listen and appreciate the newer bands again, Music was raw and actually Meant something again instead of Over-indulgence and Self-Serving BS that the hair bands were all about. and I believe that a lot of his success came from the fact that people were tired of that and wanted something with Substance again.

I guess its just me but I always feel like he gets elevated a lot higher than he really should be because of the Tragedy of his life.

the whole 100 list thing is ridiculous because of course not everybody is going to agree, everybody has different tastes in music...



How about this one...Guitar worlds top 100 Metal Guitarists....different look. This is a great Thread to kill the day too. Its good to see what everybody's take is on music.

1. Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath)
2. Kirk Hammett & James Hetfield (Metallica)
3. Angus & Malcolm Young (AC/DC)
4. Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne)
5. Eddie Van Halen (Van Halen)
6. Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
7. Dimebag Darrell (Pantera, Damageplan)
8. Zakk Wylde (Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society)
9. Adam Jones (Tool)
10. Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman (Slayer)
11. Dave Murray & Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden)
12. Jimi Hendrix
13. Glen Tipton & K.K. Downing (Judas Priest)
14. Ace Frehley & Paul Stanley (Kiss)
15. Slash (Guns N' Roses)
16. Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple, Rainbow)
17. Yngwie Malmsteen
18. Joe Perry & Brad Whitford (Aerosmith)
19. Dave Mustaine & Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
20. Chuck Schuldiner (Death)
21. Brian May (Queen)
22. Michael Schenker (Msg, Ufo)
23. Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
24. Jeff Beck
25. Tom Morello (Rage Against The Machine)
26. Head & Munky (Korn)
27. John Petrucci (Dream Theater)
28. Kim Thayil (Soundgarden)
29. Vivian Campbell (Def Leppard)
30. Daron Malakian (System Of A Down)
31. Scott Ian (Anthrax)
32. Tom G. Warrior (Celtic Frost)
33. Chris Degarmo & Michael Wilton (Queensryche)
34. C.C. Deville
35. Marten Hagström & Fredrik Thorndendal (Meshuggah)
36. Alex Lifeson (Rush)
37. Paul Gilbert (Mr. Big, Racer X)
38. Jerry Cantrell (Alice In Chains)
39. Mantas (Venom)
40. Jason Becker (Dave Lee Roth)
41. Phil Collen & Steve Clarke (Def Leppard)
42. Mikael Åkerfeldt & Peter Lindgren (Opeth)
43. Fast Eddie Clarke (Motorhead)
44. Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)
45. Warren Demartini (Ratt)
46. Mick Mars (Motley Crue)
47. George Lynch (Dokken)
48. Ted Nugent
49. Jake E. Lee (Ozzy Osbourne, Badlands)
50. Rudolf Schenker & Uli John Roth (Scorpions)
51. Oystein "Euronymous" Aarseth (Mayhem)
52. Scott Gorham & Brian Robertson (Thin Lizzy)
53. Steve Vai (Dave Lee Roth)
54. Reb Beach (Winger, Dokken)
55. Trey Azagthoth (Morbid Angel)
56. John Sykes (Thin Lizzy, Blue Murder)
57. Hank Shermann & Michael Denner (Mercyful Fate)
58. Richie Sambora (Bon Jovi)
59. Jon Donais & Matt Backhand (Shadows Fall)
60. Stephen Carpenter (Deftones)
61. Alex Skolnick & Eric Peterson (Testament)
62. Brian Tatler (Diamond Head)
63. John Christ (Danzig)
64. Scott "Wino" Weinrich (The Obsessed)
65. Pepper Keenan & Woody Weatherman (C.O.C.)
66. Tommy Victor (Prong)
67. Leslie West (Mountain)
68. Vernon Reid (Living Colour)
69. Glen Buxton & Michael Bruce (Alice Cooper)
70. Bjorn Gelotte & Jesper Stromblad (In Flames)
71. Jim Matheos (Fates Warning)
72. Gary Holt & Rick Hunolt (Exodus)
73. Donald Buck Dharma Roeser (Blue Oyster Cult)
74. Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)
75. Robert Fripp (King Crimson)
76. Andre Olbrich (Blind Guardian)
77. Joe Satriani
78. Frank Hannon & Tommy Skeoch (Tesla)
79. Ty Tabor (King's X)
80. Mark Morton & Will Adler (Lamb Of God)
81. Dino Cazares (Fear Factory)
82. Pete Townshend (The Who)
83. Jon Schaffer (Iced Earth)
84. Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius)
85. Neil Young
86. Abbath Doom Occulta (Immortal)
87. Kai Hansen (Gamma Ray)
88. Uffe Cederlund & Alex Hellid (Entombed)
89. Leigh Stephens (Blue Cheer)
90. Jim Martin (Faith No More)
91. Michael Romeo (Symphony X)
92. Bill Steer (Carcass)
93. Piggy (Voivod)
94. Tony Bourge (Budgie)
95. Sammy Hagar (Van Halen)
96. Alexi Laiho (Children Of Bodom)
97. Akira Takasaki (Loudness)
98. Michael Angelo
99. John Kay & Michael Monarh (Steppenwolf)
100. Nick Bowcott (Grim Reaper)

Dee Snyder is actually a very smart guy. I was watching something on Vh-1 the other day about when parental advisory labels were issued to music. He was basically the spokesman for the hard rock bands of the time.

In no way am i saying it hasnt been done before believe me. Im just saying that the style he brought was needed at the time. if it wasnt, then nirvana would still have made music but hair bands would still rule.

I agree said bands help the turn... but you have to say nirvana paved the road.

What are bands tapping into today?? arnt teens still angry.....??? not according to the whiny crap i hear. again.. just an opinion

This is a great Thread to kill the day too. Its good to see what everybody's take is on music.

amen

Dee Snyder is actually a very smart guy. I was watching something on Vh-1 the other day about when parental advisory labels were issued to music. He was basically the spokesman for the hard rock bands of the time.


Probably the Only Time you would see Dee Snyder and John Denver in the same room......

Probably the Only Time you would see Dee Snyder and John Denver in the same room......

ahah yea that made me chuckle

gilmor was underrated???

trey anastasio from Phish gets my vote-


barber from the biscuits blows trey away. he's also trey's favorite guitarist :uhuh:

Yngvey Malmsteen (who cares how you spell it!) and Steve Vai are nothing but alot of noise! They can't hold the jock of some of classic rocks heavy hitters! Best I ever saw was Stevie Ray.....head, shoulders and ankles above any of the rest I have seen! And I seen a few!

Eddie Van Halen.....was great but in his own genre. He could not play with the Claptons and SRV's of the world!

I like that metal list a little bit more, illustrates my point exactly, everybody has different tastes, you could have endless lists really.
How could we forget Nugent? If not for his guitar skills, but for his gut-busting style?
And speaking of gut-busting, what about Kyle Gass from Tenacious D?

Kyle is always forgotten about.

Kyle :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0udP-LzDhp8

Yah...I am just old!:doh:

Does Jack Black even understand anything that comes out of his mouth? I don't get his shtick at all!:smash:

I can't believe butt baby is up on you tube! oh my god that is nuts!

serioulsy though, Kyle can play a mean acoustic!

Jimmy Hendrix on the tonight show with Johnny Carson said Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top was his favirote guitarist . That should get you on the top 100 ... Can't believe Carlos Santana isn't on it either.. Soul Sacrifice ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZ_Top

One persons noise is another persons music. Is it not all noise? SRV is very good but, IMO and it is only my opinion, to compare him to several of the schooled jazz guitarist's such as Joe Pass or a Chet Atkins or Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour style I'd have to say no contest. Just my opinion so relax. Thank god everyone doesn't like the same flavor or it would be a boring world.

True ... I can find music I like in all styles... I can even dig Ludwig van Beethoven ...Especially in a different context like Clockwork Orange . Clockwork Orange soundtrack turned me onto classical . those guys were mad men ..

Jimmy Hendrix on the tonight show with Johnny Carson said Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top was his favirote guitarist . That should get you on the top 100 ... Can't believe Carlos Santana isn't on it either.. Soul Sacrifice ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZ_Top


nope- carlos is on that list- somwhere in the top half.

See what I started :D

See what I started :D

Its all Good though....Some good constructive dialog going on here

yep... this is the fastest growing thread ive seen in a long time...
good job RIRH!

IMO 1 SRV
2 ERIC C.
3 LESLIE WEST

Johnny Winter should be WAY higher than #74.Listen to JOHNNY WINTER CAPTURED LIVE and you will be convince and converted.

No Doc Watson ??

Junior Brown
Robert Cray
#^&#^&#^&#^&ie Betts
Toy Caldwell

Kim Mitchell by far is one of the most underrated guitarists ever.He is awesome.

Gary Hoey
Ted Nugent
"Dimebag"Darrell Abbott
Dave Murray

In no particular order.

Those lists are always a crock, can't take them seriously. I'm a huge Nirvana fan but Cobain was no great guitarist. I would rank him slightly higher than Joan Jett :hihi:

I haven't seen someone mentioned that I think is way underrated.

Jeff Healy.

Don't think he's put out anything in years, but c'mon, the guys been blind since he was like 4 years old, plays with the guitar laying flat on his lap and he's better than half the people on those lists. Don't think he's good? Listen to Can You See The Light.

IMO 1 SRV
2 ERIC C.
3 LESLIE WEST

Yes... that Album with Mississississppi Queen on it is a winner ,,Mountain,, Leslie West... all the songs on that disc are good ... gotta get that CD

How about this one...Guitar worlds top 100 Metal Guitarists....different look. This is a great Thread to kill the day too. Its good to see what everybody's take is on music.

1. Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath)
2. Kirk Hammett & James Hetfield (Metallica)
3. Angus & Malcolm Young (AC/DC)
4. Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne)
5. Eddie Van Halen (Van Halen)
6. Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
7. Dimebag Darrell (Pantera, Damageplan)
8. Zakk Wylde (Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society)
9. Adam Jones (Tool)
10. Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman (Slayer)
11. Dave Murray & Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden)
12. Jimi Hendrix
13. Glen Tipton & K.K. Downing (Judas Priest)
14. Ace Frehley & Paul Stanley (Kiss)
15. Slash (Guns N' Roses)
16. Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple, Rainbow)
17. Yngwie Malmsteen
18. Joe Perry & Brad Whitford (Aerosmith)
19. Dave Mustaine & Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
20. Chuck Schuldiner (Death)
21. Brian May (Queen)
22. Michael Schenker (Msg, Ufo)
23. Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
24. Jeff Beck
25. Tom Morello (Rage Against The Machine)
26. Head & Munky (Korn)
27. John Petrucci (Dream Theater)
28. Kim Thayil (Soundgarden)
29. Vivian Campbell (Def Leppard)
30. Daron Malakian (System Of A Down)
31. Scott Ian (Anthrax)
32. Tom G. Warrior (Celtic Frost)
33. Chris Degarmo & Michael Wilton (Queensryche)
34. C.C. Deville
35. Marten Hagström & Fredrik Thorndendal (Meshuggah)
36. Alex Lifeson (Rush)
37. Paul Gilbert (Mr. Big, Racer X)
38. Jerry Cantrell (Alice In Chains)
39. Mantas (Venom)
40. Jason Becker (Dave Lee Roth)
41. Phil Collen & Steve Clarke (Def Leppard)
42. Mikael Åkerfeldt & Peter Lindgren (Opeth)
43. Fast Eddie Clarke (Motorhead)
44. Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)
45. Warren Demartini (Ratt)
46. Mick Mars (Motley Crue)
47. George Lynch (Dokken)
48. Ted Nugent
49. Jake E. Lee (Ozzy Osbourne, Badlands)
50. Rudolf Schenker & Uli John Roth (Scorpions)
51. Oystein "Euronymous" Aarseth (Mayhem)
52. Scott Gorham & Brian Robertson (Thin Lizzy)
53. Steve Vai (Dave Lee Roth)
54. Reb Beach (Winger, Dokken)
55. Trey Azagthoth (Morbid Angel)
56. John Sykes (Thin Lizzy, Blue Murder)
57. Hank Shermann & Michael Denner (Mercyful Fate)
58. Richie Sambora (Bon Jovi)
59. Jon Donais & Matt Backhand (Shadows Fall)
60. Stephen Carpenter (Deftones)
61. Alex Skolnick & Eric Peterson (Testament)
62. Brian Tatler (Diamond Head)
63. John Christ (Danzig)
64. Scott "Wino" Weinrich (The Obsessed)
65. Pepper Keenan & Woody Weatherman (C.O.C.)
66. Tommy Victor (Prong)
67. Leslie West (Mountain)
68. Vernon Reid (Living Colour)
69. Glen Buxton & Michael Bruce (Alice Cooper)
70. Bjorn Gelotte & Jesper Stromblad (In Flames)
71. Jim Matheos (Fates Warning)
72. Gary Holt & Rick Hunolt (Exodus)
73. Donald Buck Dharma Roeser (Blue Oyster Cult)
74. Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)
75. Robert Fripp (King Crimson)
76. Andre Olbrich (Blind Guardian)
77. Joe Satriani
78. Frank Hannon & Tommy Skeoch (Tesla)
79. Ty Tabor (King's X)
80. Mark Morton & Will Adler (Lamb Of God)
81. Dino Cazares (Fear Factory)
82. Pete Townshend (The Who)
83. Jon Schaffer (Iced Earth)
84. Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius)
85. Neil Young
86. Abbath Doom Occulta (Immortal)
87. Kai Hansen (Gamma Ray)
88. Uffe Cederlund & Alex Hellid (Entombed)
89. Leigh Stephens (Blue Cheer)
90. Jim Martin (Faith No More)
91. Michael Romeo (Symphony X)
92. Bill Steer (Carcass)
93. Piggy (Voivod)
94. Tony Bourge (Budgie)
95. Sammy Hagar (Van Halen)
96. Alexi Laiho (Children Of Bodom)
97. Akira Takasaki (Loudness)
98. Michael Angelo
99. John Kay & Michael Monarh (Steppenwolf)
100. Nick Bowcott (Grim Reaper)

Best I can tell I have seen 75 off your list.
Voivod?
I thought I was the only one left alive that still remembers them.
And it includes Ted.
The older stuff was great.

Yngvey Malmsteen (who cares how you spell it!) and Steve Vai are nothing but alot of noise! They can't hold the jock of some of classic rocks heavy hitters! Best I ever saw was Stevie Ray.....head, shoulders and ankles above any of the rest I have seen! And I seen a few!

Eddie Van Halen.....was great but in his own genre. He could not play with the Claptons and SRV's of the world!


I can't believe it, but I totally agree with you Larry on this one!!!
Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham is awesome also !!!
One of the best I've ever seen live was a guy who played with Chuck Mangione back in the 1970 -80s ?
I think his name was Vics Vidalah

I can't believe it, but I totally agree with you Larry on this one!!!
Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham is awesome also !!!
One of the best I've ever seen live was a guy who played with Chuck Mangione back in the 1970 -80s ?
I think his name was Vics Vidalah
I can agree with Malmsteen being a lot of noise but Vai had some talent.
Not any of the newer radio friendly crap.
The older stuff with Stu Hamm.

One more nobody mentioned.

Joe Walsh

I will give you Vai may have had a bit of talent!:)

Linsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham......first concert I ever saw was Fleetwood Mac! Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham left a lasting impression on me......and I have seen some of the best since....and I always remember the way he burned that guitar!:uhuh:

Ron....we agree on alot....but we disagree on more!:jump1:

Oh .......and CAL....big Jeff Healey fan here! You got the album "Cover to Cover"?:btu:

joe satriani, that guy is amazing!!!:smokin: :boots:

Man, you guys need to grow up! :jester: The "how many notes per second" thing is so boring. We have a GREAT guitarist right here in New England who can play rock, jazz, swing and especially BLUES better than just about anyone else: Duke Robillaird. If you've never seen him, get out there and do it! Class, style, soul - and he doesn't need to hide behind a distortion box to do it! Do yourself a favor and hear Duke.

"How many notes a second"........if that is how anyone is judgeing a guitar players talent they might want to find another interest!:rolleyes: I will take one long and properly bent SRV or Clapton note infused with emotion, feeling and commitment than 1 million of any "speed metal pretenders" notes any day of the week! :cool:

"How many notes a second"........if that is how anyone is judgeing a guitar players talent they might want to find another interest!:rolleyes: I will take one long and properly bent SRV or Clapton note infused with emotion, feeling and commitment than 1 million of any "speed metal pretenders" notes any day of the week! :cool:


I agree again Larry!!!
Carlos Santana does more with one note than all those speed metal players also !!!

On the topic on of great local guitarists Neil Vitulo of Young Neil and the Vipers must be near the top. He's been known to catch a couple of fish too.

yup, damned good guitarist and fisherman!

Carlos Santana does more with one note than all those speed metal players also !!!

Just listen to Europa.......its spectacular how he makes the guitar sing on that song.

Prof M, I am a practicing and performing jazz guitarist and I agree 100% with you on the talent of jazz vs many of teh names included on here. Eric Clapton could not get on stage and play through a basic jazz stanadrd like All the Tings You Are, he jusy couldnt. BUT.....I think you have to draw the line, jazz and rock are very differnet and really have differnet purposes. Jazz is sort of art for teh sake of art, some people can "hear" it, others cannot. Joe PAss and Wes Monthgomery are my favorites and major influences.
I began playing guitar in the early 80s and still enjoy Eddie VH, Vai, Satriani and Stevie Ray. As a jazz guitarist, I LOVE AC-DC, Angus is awesome, he plays with all he has and to me, its sounds cool.I was a huge LEd Zep fan but I rememeber first hearing Pride and Joy on the radio by SRV and saying, "man, I have to play that" and saved up to buy my first guitar. I thinks its not fair to say that jazz guys are way better, since its a differnet thing. The more I studied jazz, the more I started listening to old country guys, and western swing, old blues, swing, gypsy jazz. There is SO much music most of us have never heard becasue of exposure. I enjoy all of it.

I'll usually judge a guitarist by his knowledge of chords more than how loud and fast he can play. Don't get me wrong I like loud fast music but not everyone can do both. Listening to Tony Rice play chords on his Martin or Steve Morse with the Dregs is what floats my boat. It all depends what mood I am in. One day I like Ozzy next I'm listening to Harry Connick JR. There are just way too variables in styles to have a best. I like them all, well except Joan Jett. Very interesting listening to what different people listen too. Funny that we all like music but are turned off by certain things others like. Not a bad thing, just interesting.

RIJIMMY My taste's have changed a lot over the years. I love jazz and I'd say 50% of my music I listen to now is Jazz. I am also on a Bluegrass and Celtic kick too the last several years. There is so much good music out there that is just overlooked by so many of the younger people because they are not exposed to it. I have a 6 year old that is taking piano lessons and I try to expose her to many different types of music so she can form a well rounded knowledge, with a emphasis on reading music. Reading opens so many doors in music. I wish I had learned. I think I prefer any music that combines different types or styles into their sound. The possibilities are endless. Joe Pass is really about as good as it gets when you talk about jazz guitar IMO.

Nobody mentioned Ronnie Montrose....another great Guitarist

Different = Stanley Jordan, how about Vince Gill the guy can play. Loud and fast Frank Marino. Woman Emily Remler. I mean if you really sit down and think of it you can come up with 100's of individuals' that can play the crap out of the instrument. I wish one was me. I gave up guitar 10 years ago. I have 2 Les Pauls, a Strat, and several acoustics just sitting in cases in my upstairs room that haven't been opened in years. My daughter doesn't know how lucky she will be if she wants to play guitar in the future. I'd rather listen to music than play it .

And, as Im sure you know, Frank Z is one of the cooooolest players ever, noone sounds like him.

Yup, but not for the masses. Not just a good player but his writing is what set's him apart. Lots of variety in his stuff. BF Larry's favorite Band:scream:

For pure technical skill most jazz players will have the edge. Even more so for drums than guitar.

But in the rock guitarists it's the entire performance that counts.

-spence

Cast another vote for deaner from the Bombas. Young Mike and I readily progniosticate to him.
Last time I saw those guys was the day before I sold my marital house. They played for like three hours!!!
Maybe the best show I've ever seen, which says a lot beacuse I really only like punk and metal.
Deaner is God!
Rick
PS-I ate a pizza next to Dean and Gene after work one night in Jersey, had no idea it was them. Realized afterwards that I was like 5 miles from where they recorded "The Pod."

This might help get things going. This is from Rolling Stone. Who's Missing? Who is rated higher/lower than they should be? These lists always fuel some good debate


I mean Kurt Cobain at #12...ahead of Bo Diddley and Carlos Santana???

Is Keith Richards REALLY worthy of a Top 10 Slot??

Where's Roy Clark? Not my style of Music but you can't take away the Fact that he Wails on the Guitar.

The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time

1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11 Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 #^&#^&#^&#^& Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 #^&#^&#^&#^&ey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden


Seitzter dosn't make my list at all. I saw him at Lupos back in the day and wasn't that impressed. Where's Robert Cray on this list? One of the best live performances I ever saw? I'm partial to Jerry Garcia as well but one of my all time favorites has to be BB King. I saw him a couple of times and he is just simply awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoGYx6iQeHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7IPjcb-UlA

this one's nasty old school sheet from '00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeaG0bjYaoo

John Lennon, it came to him easy. And George Harrison. Lennon would say do it like this when Harrison, a great guitarist himself, struggled. James Taylor, pick up an album and just listen to his work. Clean.

Huge James Taylor fan here!:btu:

JT- just listened to mexico and shower the people. i remember partying with him and livingston on MV way back in the day....

Ok, a few more...this thread must not die...
I was thinking of RIR original intenet of this post last night and thought of two guitarists that, every time I have heard them, I was impressed with the solos, both style and originallity. I also think they both did not make the lists posted here because of the same reason....
1. Peter Frampton - the live stuff from Frampton comes alive, is excellent guitar playing. Style wise, he is a few notches above many of his 70's contemporaries, and yes, I mean a lot of the BIG 70's guitar names. Listen next time its on the radio, he does not play alot of the same "blues" based lines most other players do.
2. Neil Schon, from Journey. I think his playing is fantastic. The first few Journey albums were almost progressive rock and Schon plays some blistering leads. Even when Journey went lame, he still played very lyrical and tasteful solos. Great player IMHO.

Why do I think they are overlooked and underrated? Becasue of the "girl" appeal. Frampton was not taken seriously after his teeny bopper appeal. And Journey became a lame ballad teen age girl band. Both of these guys are great guitar players, very unique styles, technical and tasteful.....

Schon was a child protege if I am not mistaken. well schooled in the instument. Good answer.

Yes, RI J! Great name! As far as under- rated specifically, Schon is among the top of that list. Forget later/ commercial Journey. Do yourself a favor-- if you love/ appreciate great "heavy metal" Guitar skills, get the first few Journy albums (pre- S. Perry)... and I guarantee you Neil's playing will blow you away.

Equally under-rated, but still great (that "R.S. Top- 100 List" was a total joke! Retarded! :bshake: ):

Dave Mason/ Chris Wood (both!), from Traffic/ solo; Dave Davies/ Kinks; Santana; Tom Sholz from Boston-- agreed John. R.!... Randy Rhodes (he's NOT the "best Heavy Metal" guitarist ever?? Tony I. is ??) ... Gary Ritchrath from REO Speedwagon (yes, the early stuff!!)... Neil Geraldo/ Pat Benatar's band (1st three albums)... Blackmore yes... Beck is almost forgotten... Steve Howe no one even mentioned? Anyone ever hear of Martin Barre? (Jethro Tull-- awesome guitarist!)... the Cars Elliot Easton was under- rated (though not "great")...

I can go on, but won't!... As said, of course here re. music to each his own! :happy:

Cast another vote for deaner from the Bombas. Young Mike and I readily progniosticate to him.
Last time I saw those guys was the day before I sold my marital house. They played for like three hours!!!
Maybe the best show I've ever seen, which says a lot beacuse I really only like punk and metal.
Deaner is God!
Rick
PS-I ate a pizza next to Dean and Gene after work one night in Jersey, had no idea it was them. Realized afterwards that I was like 5 miles from where they recorded "The Pod."

See BF... you have no idea what you are missing.

See them live and you will never feel the same about music again.

Deaner fishes the shores of Jersey. Hes been striper fishing most of his life......

The man IS god....at least with a guitar

http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/beachtrip/fishing_files/image004.jpg
http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/beachtrip/fishing_files/image010.jpg
http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/beachtrip/fishing_files/image002.jpg

You can keep him all to yourself....sucks IMO!

ok fine.


:)

Ok, a few more...this thread must not die...
I was thinking of RIR original intenet of this post last night and thought of two guitarists that, every time I have heard them, I was impressed with the solos, both style and originallity. I also think they both did not make the lists posted here because of the same reason....
1. Peter Frampton - the live stuff from Frampton comes alive, is excellent guitar playing. Style wise, he is a few notches above many of his 70's contemporaries, and yes, I mean a lot of the BIG 70's guitar names. Listen next time its on the radio, he does not play alot of the same "blues" based lines most other players do.
2. Neil Schon, from Journey. I think his playing is fantastic. The first few Journey albums were almost progressive rock and Schon plays some blistering leads. Even when Journey went lame, he still played very lyrical and tasteful solos. Great player IMHO.

Why do I think they are overlooked and underrated? Becasue of the "girl" appeal. Frampton was not taken seriously after his teeny bopper appeal. And Journey became a lame ballad teen age girl band. Both of these guys are great guitar players, very unique styles, technical and tasteful.....



Neil Schon started out as a teenager with Santana

M.Barre :kewl: Dave Mason's version of All Along The Watchtower is the best I have heard, plays one of the best Wha Wha's on Shouldn't of took more than you gave too.

Here is one for Bigfish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TiZfTG_I60

Here is a real underrated guy. A Barry Manilow look a like I know but he is awesome. Not Alvin Lee but Albert Lee. I know even Larry will like him as he has backed up Clapton on many of his tours. The guy's style is clean and fast. I just love his pickin. P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqcUBdNaHq8

Another one. Hope it is not too country for you but his playing is fantastic. Barry Manilow or what??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w

My #1 vote on the underrated list . Just way too bad the guy took his own life because he is one of the all time best. Plays jazz, country, blues, studio work you name it he can do it. Funny his blues sound had a little of the Telley Roy Bucanhan sound and Roy killed himself too. Way better than Roy though IMO. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzPRfojMZ1E

Another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJCyABnw1fc

I have way too much time on my hands. Here is another. IMO one of the best acoustic players and flatpickers out there. A bluegrass player. Tony Rice. What a sound .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xswwXOPhoTU&mode=related&search=

Damn who got me into this U-Tube thing. I 'm goin crazy now. What do you think of Bela Fleck not a guitarist but he could if he wanted. Early New Grass Revival

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHheEJuKapg

i love belafleck- victor wooten's solo bass playing is out of this world

Yup. He auditioned for Bela over the phone and was hired.

heres a good one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9a4ThBNacY

They don't come much more talented than that.

Here's a couple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHQOWre8Htw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baDM3_6w8-E

Another Great jazz Guitarist

Another winner. I have an album or 2. Strange technique. I believe he was playing in the subways before he was finally discovered.

Yup. He auditioned for Bela over the phone and was hired.
I had a great conversation with Vic Wooten one night. Amazingly enough we spent it all talking about computer graphics :)

Not joking.

-spence

I saw Stanley at teh Atlanta JAzz Festival, the highlight was him playing stairway to heaven, chords on one neck of a guitar and soloing on another guitar all at once.

I saw Stanley at teh Atlanta JAzz Festival, the highlight was him playing stairway to heaven, chords on one neck of a guitar and soloing on another guitar all at once.

You mean like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXN3OLgoqs

"How many notes a second"........if that is how anyone is judgeing a guitar players talent they might want to find another interest!:rolleyes: I will take one long and properly bent SRV or Clapton note infused with emotion, feeling and commitment than 1 million of any "speed metal pretenders" notes any day of the week! :cool:

Listen to Iron Maiden BF.Not speed metal by any means but Dave Murray,Adrian Smith and Janick Gers make most of the "Greats" look not so great.

I agree again Larry!!!
Carlos Santana does more with one note than all those speed metal players also !!!

See my reply to BF.

I'm very surprised there has been no mention of Alvin Lee...........unless i missed it.

Actually there is one hardcore insane Metal guitarist I will put against any of the "greats".

The late "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott of Pantera and Damageplan will put them all to shame.

How about a little love for Ritchie Blackmore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKhibA1an8

One of the best new generation (younger than me,37) guitarists I have seen in years is Zakk Wilde. Played with Ozzy and The Allman Bros. Band. Saw an acoustic show at the Paradise about 5 years ago.
Alvin Lee is on the list.
Blackmore too.
That was a tease. Child in time. Now I have to listen to it.
"Made In Japan" was the first TAPE I ever stole from my father when I was about 12 or 13.

"Made In Japan" was the first TAPE I ever stole from my father when I was about 12 or 13.


I played the Grooves off that album.......Space Tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off that has to be one of the top ten live recordings ever

Nobody mentioned Ronnie Montrose....another great Guitarist

Bad Motor Scooter and Space Station #5 :D

Sammy Hagar when he was about 17.
I actually bought that tape.

sok, I still got that one on vinyl, buried in the back of the closet with all the other LP's :bl:

Was Hagar really that young?

I played the Grooves off that album.......Space Tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off that has to be one of the top ten live recordings ever

Great Album. Smoke O T W has probably one of the most recognized riffs of all time . I also loved DP's "Burn" too. Steve Morse has stood in as guitarist for deep purple for the last few years on tour, although a little below him IMO, but hey you got to pay the bills.

Who said Bela fleck?
Duets is one of my favorites...
I like this thread.. it's like a slinky on one of those huge Mayan temples.. I just pushed the first step and then watch it go! :D

Great thread. I am the Fleck lover. I actually prefer his earlier progressive bluegrass stuff with New grass revival at his start and his Tales from the acoustic Planet Cds a few years back and all the studio stuff I can find he has done with all the greats of bluegrass. The flecktones are good, great I should say, but I like the acoustic stuff better.
I have more people but want some others to weigh in. Got to really start to dig deep now to find unmentioned ones now. I think we will need an underrated musicians thread next to cover all the other non guitar underrated people.

How about Leslie West?
Just saw mountain this summer in Newport, w/ corky Lang drumming. great show!

Spencer Dreyden:)

Johnny Winter should be WAY higher than #74.Listen to JOHNNY WINTER CAPTURED LIVE and you will be convince and converted.


Thats embarrassing that Johnny Winter is #74. I think if you polled the guitarists on that list, most of them will talk about Johnny as big influences......if you could, just ask Muddy.

For proof, Johnny took the Bob Dylan tribute/snoozefest and woke everyone up with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8siLZ4zNbY&mode=related&search= . EVERYONE talked about that being one of if not THE highlight of the show.


I agree with everyone who mentioned Junior Brown. I've seen him 7 times and he is SO good. Plus, checkout the guitar/steel guitar or "Guit-steel" he had made and watch him go seemlessly back in forth between the 2........REALLY GOOD!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46mSiLRjws

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JzJWFFTwNM&mode=related&search=

Here is another. Les Dudek. Not one of his best but pretty good. Heard he did some lead work for the Allman Bros. after Duane left the planet .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzupiAewmNk

Another classicly trained college graduate. Mr. Morse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-CC2jOVNSI
with the DIxie Dregs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdbOjF9ZDX4&mode=related&search=

Another, classical style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIu7UA-823Y&mode=related&search=

Sorry to hijack...awesome pics of deaner fishing!!!
Somebody please pm my brother, if you please...
if you please, on a kaiser bun!

Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush ----- Red House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIr8ZgjmoSw&mode=related&search=

Robben Ford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZKaRcvqyq4&mode=related&search=

Saw this guy at Chans last winter In Woonsocket great show. Smokin Joe Kubek . 1 a nite to keep thread alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCRfurZEVDs

1 more, I know I got a problem:doh: , Joe Satriani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO71Ei23wJg&mode=related&search=

Well its the next day.;) Everyone always talks about Hendrix, and rightfully so, but here's my vote for the white Hendrix. Robin T.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eldS990JOHo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0d1HilfLxA&mode=related&search= Makes you want to break out the Bong

When hair bands made the scene I really started to embrace the older music......Procul Harum was one band that I really used to listen to a lot. Trower was spectacular then and when he broke from the band he really came into his own.


Well its the next day.;) Everyone always talks about Hendrix, and rightfully so, but here's my vote for the white Hendrix. Robin T.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eldS990JOHo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0d1HilfLxA&mode=related&search= Makes you want to break out the Bong

Virtuoso Joe Pass. Absolute genius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNcajMmMYY&mode=user&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCoirzF_joU&mode=related&search=
I just listened to them again. If you don't listen to anything I put up please listen to this guy it doesn't get any better than this. One more, 1 guitar and 1 little amp what else is needed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbT2aDi5rXQ&mode=related&search=

Well its the next day.;) Everyone always talks about Hendrix, and rightfully so, but here's my vote for the white Hendrix. Robin T.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eldS990JOHo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0d1HilfLxA&mode=related&search= Makes you want to break out the Bong

HELL ya Paul....love Trower....underated for sure....reminds me of the bong days is right:rotf3: ...thanks for posting the link
a man that truly plays with feeling...cresendo...vibrato....feeling....
I bought BigFish a trower disc...ever listen to it Larry???

Yeah Matt you would have to say underrated. Hendrix got all the acclaim for pioneering that style, sound, as he should but I always thought Trower was right there with him. IMO he is just as good. Took his greatest hits to work last nite but too much concentration needed on job for that type of music, tonite I will be drowning out the guy next machine overs Jimmy Buffet, god I hate that music.

Trower was amazing no doubt!-- but I know who would've been the "white Hendrix" had he ONLY lived past age 23 or so...

I'm the #1 Hendrix fan I guarantee you! Love Clapton, Beck, Duane, Ronnie V.Z., David Gilmour, etc., etc. But I've never heard "heavy Metal" guitar- playing... OR gorgeous acoustic mellow pieces... like I heard on the first two Ozzy solo albums dominated by Randy Rhoads!

This kid went from unknown, to revitalizing Ozzys' career by a very young age! (Zack Wilde dreamed of being Randy-- didn't come close!) He was a child prodigy trained by his parents for a future in Classical music... 'till he decided the Electric guitar was his instrument... & that "Metal"/ power- Rock turned him on! His music on those 2 albums was not "Metal" really-- but the power chords & thunderous double- tracking solos produced some of the greatest guitar sounds ever heard certainly in the "hard" rock genre!

Talk Deep Purple... Iron Maiden... and Metallica or Eddie V. all you want-- in only 2 albums Randy blew them away!!-- and imagine what his 12th album WOULD have sounded like! Don't take my word for it: just put it on & play it loud! "Blizzard of Oz"... & "Diary of a Madman" are easily found. Tell me how many were better than he after hearing both!

Little known, is how Randy died so young: most figure drugs, choking on his own vomit, etc. Randy was a totally- clean California health- food/ wholistic- type raised by hippie parents... who didn't even drink! He was afraid his whole life of airplanes/ flying (as I admit am I too!)... yet he accepted a dare to go up in a small plane with others from the Ozzy tour to prove his bravery. He made the fatal mistake of overcoming his fear to say "yes," not knowing then that the pilot was (legally) drunk! That's what it took to stop the true next "modern/ white Hendrix"... :(

ah I love this thread. You are right. Good one.

Man I got to post this again.:kewl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNcajMmMYY
It just blows me away no matter how many times i listen to his stuff. I just tried to get my daughter, 6yersold, to listen to him and she said he looks weird. I said so what listen to that it is heaven. She left to listen to Hanna Montana.:hs:

No speakers set up on my computer, Professor... 'else I would love to listen...

Who cares what a Guitarist looks like?-- I'd ask her... (Though Frank Z. was indeed a "looker!"). Who's uglier than Geddy Lee?-- yet he's the best bassist in modern "rock"...

If she wants a good- looking AND great guitarist-- again, that's Randy! Talent aside... I only wish I looked as good as he! :pop:

Mick Abrahams - Jethro Tull (Early)

Martin Barre - Jethro Tull (Later)

Jon Butcher - Hendrix like from Boston

John Butler - Aussie phenom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VAkOhXIsI0

Leo Kottke - no one better with a 12 string

Albert Lee - Heads, Hands and Feet

Rory Gallagher

Allan Holdsworth - Maybe the best of them all

Bernzy

Thanks, Bernzy! Love your stuff!

I think Holdsworth was like Steve Vai & Satriani... great skills but bad songs, & lacked soul...

If you like the Tull guys... can I figure you love Steve Hackett from old Genesis days? :faga:
(Talk about under-rated! "Lamb Lies Down" alone!)

Steve Hackett, Yes!!!

And speaking of Yes, how about Steve Howe?

Bernzy

Already praised Steve H.! "Heart of the Sunrise" right up there with "Stairway to Heaven!" "Perpetual Change" & "Yours is No Disgrace" too! :bgi:

Was I the only "idiot" who thought Steve H. & Carl Palmer & Asia were great too? "Sole Survivor" & "Wildest Dreams?" :grins:

But has anyone seen this side of Jose Feliciano?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HzSAzUAAI0

I kind of agree with comment of the the person who posted it. Never heard him like this on the radio. I think it is pretty good. I always kind of liked his redition of light my fire.

Cool thread.
Eric

Albert Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOFpQd7aJ9U

This one is great!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPwxige9XNs

Bernzy

Eric Johnson :kewl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Sm-14F7cI

Bernzy

Had to read it twice just to let it all sink in.
(The bastards in work are actually making me work. Putting a serious dent in my paid surfing time.They will be punished.)

Ronnie Van Zant?
Singer,vocalist,songwriter.
No comparison to R.R.
And my question (Lecounts99) is have you ever seen an all acoustic show in a club by Zakk Wilde? You should. Impressive.
Clapton,Beck,Floyd,Deep Purple, and probably Black Sabbath.
If it wasn't for at least one or all of them R.R. would probably have stayed with classical music.
He heard something that started him off.

And Ozzy revitalizes his career every few years. He's the best at it.
First it was R.R.
Then Zakk Wilde.
Then Ozzfest. Black Sabbath reunion.
Now it's free Ozzfest.

best guitarist I ever had the pleasure to see in person, up and close. at the Ritz, NYC New years eve 1989, just before his untimely death
that is one night of my life Id like to relive over and over.
Stevie Ray Vaughn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7PAHX7iLpI
Voodoo Child

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFuZ6SligU
crossfire


Neil young and Crazy Horse
Cortez the killer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wHzlfLKbM
Like a Hurricane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-nPpTw5yWE

I only started to really appreciate S.R.V. right around 89-90.
Right before...
Remember exactly where I was when I heard the news.

The godfather:
Jimi Hendrix
Rt Hand - Stevie Ray------------Lft Hand - Buddy Guy
The Brit Holy Trinity
Beck - Clapton - Page
Test of Time Stalwarts:
Santana - M. Knopfler - Angus Young - Joe Perry
Back on Topic:
Duke Robillard
Harrison was a great musician but hardly a great guitarist and as for Kieth Richard, any time he can stay upright for a whole preformance, it's a good day.

It's hard to imagine that Eric Johnson isn't listed on any top lists. He is about as clean and fast as anyone I've ever seen. Great live performance if you ever get the chance.

Holy Sh-t
A post all the way from AZ. post #3

It's hard to imagine that Eric Johnson isn't listed on any top lists. He is about as clean and fast as anyone I've ever seen. Great live performance if you ever get the chance.

He's on my list. Right near the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Sm-14F7cI

Bernzy

Got to see him w/ tautog01 at the call when I was 18..
great blues show! the late Son Seals.. not the best guitarist by far but he definetly lived the blues!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOZa9MrnO8

Martin Barre

Clarence White and Prince.

Bernzy :wave: I love Albert Lee. Awesome picker for sure. Not bad for a British country player. he played back up on a few Claptons tours. I still like Danny Gatton better but once you are at that level how do you choose:huh: , I just enjoy. Thanks for the tune it got me going today:boots: P.

Prof. This will really get you going......FZ and friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOhlAmNcSKA

Bernzy

That was great. Thanks. How do you choose
http://www.zappa.com/fz/content/discography/album-display.php

BTW I will call you on Sat.sometime to broach that subject. I got to go to movies with daughter today, school vacation, and I got a date with a plug ho tomorrow. P.

ProfM, I don't know if you were refering to ALVIN Lee of Ten Years After, but he could pick a lick as well. When he was banging out "I'm Goin' Home" at Woodstock (the REAL one!!), I thought his head was going to explode! Mine too.......TC:smokin:

No different guy, but he is good also but different style. Listen to the youtube song Bernzy posted you can get a real good idea how good Albert is. Phenomenal picker with his own style. A Barry Manilow look a like, poor guy.

gilmor was underrated???

trey anastasio from Phish gets my vote-

Yep he's the man~!

I would add to the guys to check out Richard Thompson, Danny Gatton and Bob Brozman. Brozman has got to be the top slide player out there at the moment. Gatton was incredible, sort of like a cross between James Burton and Roy Buchanan, left us far too early. Richard Thompson has been around forever but he is not generally well known but can play up a storm on both electric and acousitc.
All of these guys have clips on you tube.

Mick Ronson:kewl:

Ronson was not only a great guitar player but he could hold his own on stage in the presence of the bigger than life (gross understatement!) David Bowie. Some rather bizarre theatrics but never at the expense of the music. :grins:

just listened to "highway call" again- #^&#^&#^&#^&ey betts is special.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8caf2m2Jd-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTFzzUJBUCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xWjmznpCA0

the guy in Max Creek, who really is pretty good.

just listened to "highway call" again- #^&#^&#^&#^&ey betts is special.

Yeah but listening to CD's of the early Allmans... love hearing Duane...

Saw Leslie West (Mountain) w/Corky Lang on drums in Newport last summer, that was a great small club show and he can still wail...

You know who gets no love is Pete "Hope I die before I get old" Townshend saw the Who at Great Woods 5 or 6 years ago and he was still effortless...

i love duane! but i think betts is underrated..

Good point.
He played Npt Blues Cafe last summer.
Heard it was kick-ass 300people...
They had some decent acts last summer; West, Betts, Derringer...

OK, I love this thread! Yes, compelling between- working reading, & great info. & leads on new stuff to hear!

But: at times it has been about the "best" guitarists... & the best "unknown" or little- known names that most have never heard of, or their music... but back to the original question Bryan was asking (100's of pages ago!) :p ... who are the "most underrated?" To me that means, who has achieved the most as a Guitarist in music history (to me, that means "Rock"-- sorry!). WHO has been among the very best, & also has been in bands that sold millions of records-- yet few (even avid) rock fans know their names, though all have heard their playing/ songs?...

My most underrated: 1) James Honeyman- Scott, Pretenders
2) Neil Schon, Santana/ Journey
3) Randy Rhoads
4) Tom Scholz
5) Joe Perry

#'s 2- 4 I've discussed earlier here, as have others.

Joe Perry must be on this list, because most who know his name do so only linked to lame "new 'smith" songs like "Love in an Elevator," etc. All the fans of this "new" Aerosmith would hate the "old" Aerosmith-- because the songs back then were killer audio/ stereophonic assaults!... and Joes' guitar was always blistering! His work on "Toys..." and "Rocks" alone would make him an all- time "heavy" Rock guitarist... but the earlier stuff was even better, esp. the 1st album (more raw & bluesy). IMHO Joe was way better in his prime then were Eddie VH or Slash or James Hetfield, talented as they were/ are! (I'm quite sure Slash would admit he patterned everything-- his look and guitar-style-- after Joe P.! Maybe you'd have to get him drunk first!)

And Tom Scholz?-- WHO knows that name? Yet who doesn't own and/ or love the first Boston album?? Yes, the drums, bass & songs/ lyrics & vocals were all phenomenal too... but Toms' guitar stole the show on every song! Totally unique sound too, another sign of guitar greatness: you KNOW when you're hearing Duane, Gilmour, Beck, Hendrix-- or Tom S.! No mistaking any for any other player! Most of what Eddie V. did in his (so- short) "prime" was mimicking what guys like Trower, Beck & Jimi did before him... in front of the least- talented backing band imaginable (worst rock bassist ever: Michael Anthony!)... with terribly- written songs! ("Jump" stupidest song in "hard/ heavy- Rock" history!) :doh:

OK, to our subject: which "unknown" guitarist luckily (or by good choosing) had an AWESOME band behind him... and with one of Rock history's most charismatic front- men (ahem, front- women!). If all you've ever heard of the Pretenders was "Brass in Pocket" or "Back on the Chain Gang" then you'll have to take my word for this ('till your own research!): the Pretenders were one of the greatest bands in Rock history (not "top- 10" but def. "top- 20")-- in TWO albums only!-- and much of this was due to their amazing guitar- player, James Honeyman- Scott! :btu:

Again, like poor Randy R., it was two great masterpieces (albums) and gone from this World for poor James (in this case it WAS drinking/ drugs)... so any curious to prove me wrong have little material to hear & judge! "Pretenders (One)" and "P. Two" were the albums... songs to make you instant believers are: "Mystery Achievement"; "The Wait"; "Private Life"; "The Adultress"; "Space Invader"... Hard/ rockin' cuts mix with mellow/ acoustic/ melodic ballads sung with such depth & soul by Chrissy... and James plays accordingly with equal beauty. Sometimes hard & driving & "metal"- ish... sometimes wispy or acoustic or background. The drummers' top- notch, the bassist is amazing (& also died young)... and Chrissy's voice & style back then made her a lasting Rock icon (though she tarnished this by doing crappy pop stuff after James & Pete died). :poke:

Simply listen... or listen again if it's been a while! Yes, there are better guitar- players you'll say... but how great is this guy to be a no- name??... now to be nearly/ completely forgotten? :huh: :grins:

OK, I love this thread! info. & leads on new stuff to hear! :grins:

Yup. Everyone has a personal preference but they are all great.

Couple more I thought of lately as I got a fantastic album and they were both on it. Mike Stern and Hiram Bullock. You might remember Hiram on David Sanborns great album Voyer, along with Steve Gadd, RR. and the original Letterman guitarist. Both are very underrated.

You want to hear some sick $#!+ pick up the Vital Techtones album. Scott Hendersen Victor Wooten and a great drummer whose name escapes me. Scott Hendersen is from a band called Tribal Tech, his playing is reminiscent of Steve Morse maybe a little Satriani in there too. Vic is the bass player and if you don;t know of him, you HAVE to hear him. He plays bass for Bela Fleck and the Flecktones (also a great band). Victor has won Bass player of the year the last 3 or 4 years running. Check it out.

-Dave

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You know who gets no love is Pete "Hope I die before I get old" Townshend saw the Who at Great Woods 5 or 6 years ago and he was still effortless...

Townsend was the lord and master of the power chord which worked so well with Who music but he was never a pickin' and pl#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&' master like SlowHand, Beck, Stevie Ray, Buddy Guy, Jimi and some of the other great ax men.:btu:

Townshend was fantastic. You don't have to be lightning fast to be good in my book. Saw them in the 70's, :spin: I think, at Boston Garden. Moon passed out on stage at the drums if I remember correctly, show ended early. It is all a blurr at point. Quadrophenia is one of my favorite albums still to this day. P.

"Pure & Easy" & "Naked Eye" on Odds & Sods... :faga:

"Bargain" & "Getting in Tune" on Who's Next... :buds:

The acoustic stuff & "We're Not Gonna Take It" on Tommy... :tooth:

"New Song" & "Who are You" on Who are You...

Pete is just awesome! :D

And Keith was beyond awesome! Only Neil Peart better...

John McLaughlin, Paco deLucia & Larry Coryell

Unplugged and AWESOME......... 3 of the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnonbFOx8O4

Bernzy

Quadrophenia is one of my favorite albums still to this day. P.


Absolutely love that album....great from start to finish.

and going with the thread on great Bass Players, Entwhistles work on that album is amazing.....The Real Me.....unbelievable

John McLaughlin, Paco deLucia & Larry Coryell

Unplugged and AWESOME......... 3 of the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnonbFOx8O4

Bernzy
Here's another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFLkIJE_cSk&mode=related&search=

That was great John. Always like them together and separately, hate guys with fingers that long.
TDF The Real me. Love the bass line. I am going to have to listen to that album right now, for the second time this week.:)

More from John M. & Al DiMeola.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVWqhGXVNA

the guy in Max Creek, who really is pretty good.


max creek- is that the local prov band that i used to see 25 yrs ago???

max creek- is that the local prov band that i used to see 25 yrs ago???

weren't they a greatful dead cover band?

Coochie Coochie

deaner:bgi:

I saw that and wondered why you didn't bring it up sooner. I think alot of the opinions stem from many areas which makes it nearly impossible to compare the likes of Kobain to EVH and Tom Morello. IMHO

Had to put my 2 cents in.
Tom Scholz? Guitarist? Only a guitarist?
First and foremost an engineer.
Masters degree in electronic engineering from MIT?
(There are parts of MIT that look like Air Force barracks because they are Air Force barracks)
One thing to master the instrument you play.
Whole other thing to redesign it.
And build it.
AND play it.
The rockman?

not underrated but omg good! been listened to these guys latley..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3DTcQrkNaU

heres one for ya professor
BILL FRISELL..........great player.....

not underrated but omg good! been listened to these guys latley..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3DTcQrkNaU

Been drivin' around listening to "In memory of Elizabeth Reed" for about 25 years now. The best version is of the "live at Filmore east" album. Killer!!!

Been drivin' around listening to "In memory of Elizabeth Reed" for about 25 years now. The best version is of the "live at Filmore east" album. Killer!!!

:hihi:

There's a nice acoustic version floating around out there, too.

It shows just how good Otiel Burbridge is on bass ;)

Have several Bill Frisell albums. I like em. Different for sure, but I like em.
E. Reed at Filmore is one of my favorites for sure. I just like that one riff sort of at the beginning where the guys yells out after Duane plays it. I also like the Enlighten Rouges album which i think is one of Betts's best work. Check out Sea Level if you haven't already Don. Great stuff with Chuck Levell, keyboards doing most of the heavy lifting and some Allman band members. I have all their albums but not much on cd. Great stuff.

Have several Bill Frisell albums. I like em. Different for sure, but I like em.
.

I knew you'd know who he is...different is right.... he just kinda proves that you can't really rate music:shocked:

E. Reed at Filmore is one of my favorites for sure. I just like that one riff sort of at the beginning where the guys yells out after Duane plays it..... I have all their albums but not much on cd. Great stuff.

I think most of the intro on Liz is #^&#^&#^&#^&ie playing, not Duane :confused: But I'll have to listen to it again to be sure. Duane hits the stratosphere at the end, after Gregg's organ solo.

I think most of the intro on Liz is #^&#^&#^&#^&ie playing, not Duane :confused: But I'll have to listen to it again to be sure. Duane hits the stratosphere at the end, after Gregg's organ solo.

:uhuh:


#^&#^&#^&#^&ie Betts.. def. underated,
and,, he knew how to stand in Duane's shadow...
heard him says once, when asked why he didn't try to shine more...
in the early years, before Duane passed...
He said.. "Think about it.. What is the name of the band??"
:hihi:

Toy Caldwell was underrated too

#^&#^&#^&#^&ie was good, but he was nowhere near as good as Duane. Trying to outshine Duane would have been impossible anyway. He still had his moments on the Fillmore East album--he has some of the longer solos on stuff like You Don't Love Me and Whipping Post :humpty:

Duane himself, though, had a very high opinion of Betts' playing. He'd tell anyone who'd listen that "Brother #^&#^&#^&#^&ie's as good as anyone"

Listened to the Fillmore East live version this AM on the commute.

It's #^&#^&#^&#^&ie on the into. Then #^&#^&#^&#^&ie and Duane carry the melody for three choruses. Sometimes in unison, sometimes with Duane playing harmony and/or ad lib riffs around Betts' lead. Then, it's #^&#^&#^&#^&ie's solo, followed by Gregg's organ solo, Duane's solo, a short drum break, and the final chorus with both guitarists again carrying the melody.

Both Duane and #^&#^&#^&#^&ie were amazing... I guess #^&#^&#^&#^&ie the "under-rated" one then... Duanes' a legend!

I mentioned that Clapton's "Just One Night" was a "top- 3" Live Guitar performance album of all time-- turns out I recalled three even better:

1) Jimi Hendrix Exp. "Live w/ Band of Gypsies"
2) Allmans "Live at the Fillmore East"
3) Jeff Beck "Live w/ the Jan Hammer Group"

None of these three are underated... except maybe as live performers? (IF all you've ever heard/ seen live of Jimi's was "The Star Spangled Banner" at Woodstock... "Band of Gypsies" 100+ times better musically! :btu:

Some more. I will be surprised if anyone has heard of any of them.
Don Ross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJFnqDy8VWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkidVP0AcQ8
Andy Mckee This guy is fantastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbSvsIVTwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmE3QaGetn4
Robert Taylor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwL-mEDSexU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OH5U3q0KFI
Antoine Dufour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNw9YaXemlM
Dean Magraw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO12Wz0ycUU

Some electric guys
Andy Timmons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaVVZYOvMFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ehgqgxxIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH5ALwj_fKU
Mattias Eklundh from Sweden, fantastic stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWdfRN9n8TI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjnTuM4CHUg

The Blues
Joe Bonamassa Even Bigfish will like this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgq4ZlUY7tk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgq4ZlUY7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyEdUajXBsI
Scott Henderson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRp-ifFwODQ

Regardless of who writes the top 100 or whatever genre it is...it is saying the 100 best guitarists of all time....to say Kurt Cobain is even on that list...or at the number he is...is a HUGE stretch...it isn't saying the most influential person of all time....skill wise Kurts songs are a joke...they are good and rocked for that time, but anybody who picks up a guitar can play most of their songs, his talent was in his lyrics. Thats like saying Bradley from Sublime should be on there...aint gonna cut it(favorite band is sublime but still) gotta call them as you see them. And to not have Slash on it is CRAZY....he should be in top 20 for sure. Especially from Rolling Stone, sure you will have discrepencies about who picks who, but the fact is 1/4 of those names on that first list aren't great guitarists.....where is Prince? That man can play any instrument you put in front of him. The fact that Joan Jett is on there and Jerry Garcia, Guitarist from Skynyrd, and Randy Rhodes isn't on there is heart breaking....