got a pm from a friend:D thats help alot, I've never seen one live:grins: this is the big one in maple, weight 4.6oz..7.5 inches, my lami's going to cry

another pic

and its killing me, 3rd lip and its looking alittle better, weights too far back, I've sloted the wire hole to try different lips and drilled different belly weight holes

swam like crap, got a pikie2 in it now

Ed, have you read this? Not a how too, but interesting.
http://bassdozer.com/articles/surf_plugs.shtml

cool site, great photos:jump: