View Full Version : Striper Cup 2007
Back Beach 01-09-2007, 10:38 AM Yes, I know its early to think about it, but I was thinking about it Sunday as I encouraged one of my buddies to participate this year who didn't last year. What are people's thoughts on the 2007 Striper Cup? What will you base your decision to enter the tourney on? Will you sit on the sidelines and say its not fair :crying:, or will you jump in and compete?:rocketem:
JFigliuolo 01-09-2007, 11:01 AM Yes, I know its early to think about it, but I was thinking about it Sunday as I encouraged one of my buddies to participate this year who didn't last year. What are people's thoughts on the 2007 Striper Cup? What will you base your decision to enter the tourney on? Will you sit on the sidelines and say its not fair :crying:, or will you jump in and compete?:rocketem:
I'll sit on the sidelines... Not really interested in it.
chris L 01-09-2007, 11:11 AM me too !
Mr. Sandman 01-09-2007, 12:05 PM Waiting to see what they do with the rules this year. If they keep it the same as last year I'll pass. It largely favors comm boat fishermen at the moment, and they need to address a number of other issues that were brought up during the event...
Roger 01-09-2007, 01:15 PM I continue to have no interest in a kill tournament.
Sluggoslinger 01-09-2007, 03:17 PM I plan on entering and if I get a big slob then I might weigh it. I might join the S-B team if I can... we'll see but it seems like fun and when I poked my head in the harpoon fest, I wished I had done it last year.
JohnR 01-09-2007, 03:59 PM I had a chat with someone from OTW a couple months back and he said that they appreciated the candid and honest commentary coming from this site. Some changes are being looked at but time will tell.
The good news is that last year before the toruney started there was a lot of, err, discussion, that they listened to and made some appropriate changes for the better. Using that as a baseline I'm fairly confident they will take an honest look at the tourney and tweak things a bit for the better this year as well.
The Dad Fisherman 01-09-2007, 04:00 PM I'm going to do it this year....Probably gonna fish for PISC this year
Back Beach 01-09-2007, 04:15 PM Honestly, I would like to see a dedicated surf division for the overall, and give the 5 leading surf guys a stab at the grand prizes too. As for the commercial guys fishing, they really have no advantage IMO. The one fish a week thing takes care of that pretty well. Keep everything else the same.Will still fish it if they don't change anything as it gave me a little extra incentive last year, not that I need incentive.
MartinD18 01-09-2007, 05:49 PM I have it on very good authority that there will be a surf division this year. Plus some other interesting changes that should level the playing field in a lot of ways, both for individuals and clubs.
tattoobob 01-09-2007, 06:13 PM I'm not joining
I had 4 fish weighed 146 lbs..
12 lbs off the leader.. to come in third..
No mention or anything.. I got these 4 pins i don't know what to do with..
I busted my but to put them numbers up..
I was in the top five basically since June..
In my book what I did was as good or better than any of the one hit wonders who where able to post a fish from a boat for the grand prize.
Yea sounds like sour grapes..
I should have been better aware of the format..
I doubt next yr i will go thru the same thing Killin 4 majestic beauties for nothin..
There was some talk of a local club being formed to compete on a more competitive level Jersey shore surf casters..
I might feel obligated to kill some stuff for them...
I doubt next yr i will go thru the same thing Killin 4 majestic beauties for nothin..
NIB - I respect and admire you for saying that.
DZ
keeperreaper 01-11-2007, 01:48 PM I will most likely join but like BB I would like to see a shore division also.
RIJIMMY 01-11-2007, 02:16 PM its not my thing. but I respect those that do join. Every year I have a tough competetion between how I did last year, with how I am doing this year. That is enough to motivate me and saisfies my need to "win".
riverrat2 01-11-2007, 02:37 PM I have no problem with the comms fishing the tournament. Was anyone in the top 5 a comm guy anways? I've said this before but I couldn't see any comm guy weighing a large fish verse selling it. I would never consider weiging in a 40lb fish to get a pin rather than 120$.
Back Beach 01-11-2007, 02:50 PM I was never involved in clubs or contests in my life. My drive was always in catching fish to sell, which I don't do very often now. About five years ago I entered my first vineyard derby and had a blast. As for the Striper Cup, I wasn't going to enter last year, but finally did in early July. Like I said, fishing is fun, but incentivizing it for me gives me something to focus on and give a little bit extra effort. It got me out on the water many nights when I would have normally hit the snooze button. Bottom line is I love competition, and America loves a winner.
Bigcat 01-11-2007, 02:51 PM Not intersted in kill tournaments.
Krispy 01-11-2007, 04:02 PM I agree w/ NIB, the format needs work. If they make some of the changes that BackBeach outlined I would be happy to enter.
Right now its skewed, it sucks to be a top 5 competitor and get nothing or worse beat out by boat guys who are always gonna place. You cant compare 150lbs from the boat vs the surf and its not right to have to compete w/ them.
As for comms, I dont think it makes a difference
Backbeach Jake 01-11-2007, 05:39 PM I had a chat with someone from OTW a couple months back and he said that they appreciated the candid and honest commentary coming from this site. Some changes are being looked at but time will tell.
The good news is that last year before the toruney started there was a lot of, err, discussion, that they listened to and made some appropriate changes for the better. Using that as a baseline I'm fairly confident they will take an honest look at the tourney and tweak things a bit for the better this year as well.
They listened, agreed and changed some rules. In a more conservation minded direction. That's good for me. I'm in.
Mike P 01-11-2007, 06:08 PM Two things is all they need to fix.
1) Separate divisions for shore/boat. I'll take my chances against a shore bound commercial pinhooker ;)
2) Freeze club entries 30 days into the tournament, to prevent someone from staring up a club just for the commercial season.
As far as the "kill" aspect of it goes, I'll bet there were less than 500 fish entered. I did a rough count of all of the 30-57 pound fish entered and it was right around 300. Many clubs had a "nothing under 30" rule for their members. That's for a tourney that stetched from Maine to NJ and ran almost 5 months. Compare that to the numbers entered in the MV Derby, for one month, and I think you'll see that the OTW wasn't the "striper slaughter" that some people on other websites think it was ;)
Backbeach Jake 01-11-2007, 06:24 PM Maybe 30# should be the minimum, then. Sounds as though this Tournament is close to an ideal. I entered nothing last year:o , but I'm proud that my fellow members and others fished as conservativly as they did, you don't need to kill every fish in the Ocean to have a good time.
Slipknot 01-11-2007, 07:56 PM I entered it last year and I let my largest fish of the year swim away alive, naturally it was the week after the contest ended :rollem:
They should have it last longer into the fall definately.
It seems more for boat fishers than shore. I think the changes they made last year were fine and a good idea, maybe it will last longer this time around. I'm still not sure I'll enter or not.
piemma 01-12-2007, 08:29 AM I'm not joining
Me either. Enough with these tounaments. Just an excuse to kill fish (which in principle I am not opposed to as long as the fish gets eaten).
I have done this long enough and am old enough where I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone. Got enough trophies to start a store. I fish because I love to fish not to win an award.
Flaptail 01-12-2007, 09:15 AM What they need to do is have the tournament start earlier and go until November 1st, then they need to have a moratorium period that coincides with the MA. Commercial Season then start again and have a distinct division for surf and one for boat or give the surf guys two points for every one of the boat guys points like the Scheafer did.
99% of the commercials boat fish and with the advantage of taking multiple fish each day that skewes the whole deal in thier favor. Not fair.
I will enter again though I will not kill a mere 30 pounder for a pin, I didn't last year and won't now, 50 plus to over 60 maybe. ( I should be so lucky) I could use a new truck.
That is all, you may continue the debate.
what flap said.. daddy needs a new truck, but other than that, i dont need a stinkin pin :D
NIB would have won the shore division :(
Goose 01-12-2007, 09:43 AM I like the competiveness that the striper cup draws. If I fish it might as well be for S-B but the real reason I'm in is personel satisfaction. After last years experience fish under 40# doesn't do much if your after say....angler of the year or biggest fish. If I enter won't weigh fish under 40#, not like I catch alot anyway but thats what I like about the Striper Cup...its another incentive to target cows which in turn will make me a better fishermen and closer to my personel goals.
It seems to me there is a few people that think they're saving the planet by constantly reminding about the whole ''kill thing'', you could be more effective by standing ouside fish houses with a peta sign instead, your just a yuppie gene away. Are they spending that same time pushing to change laws? I wonder.
fishonnelsons 01-12-2007, 09:59 AM Great point about the commercial guys when "in season" Flap - to cull through 30 fish 3x a week versus the regular Joe is a big advantage for them.
Agree with the minimum pound entry thought, as well as extending the dates for the tourney. When I saw the end-date of the tourney and when they were having the Beer Blast, I couldn't understand it as ALOT of fish are caught thru Oct. and into November, depending on location. Maybe they thought it would be unfair to more northern fisherman - Maine - if they left it open til Nov.1 or so as there season normally ends before that?
Rockfish9 01-12-2007, 10:02 AM I fished the schafer tourney back in the day... I was younger then, back then all my fish were sold...Now I look at things differently, through older, wiser eyes... but.. to each their own....Everyone that fishes bass should experience the feel of a tourney at least once.
I havent knowingly killed a bass in 10 years now, doubt I ever will again, money and competition takes away from the thing I love more than anything else in the world....
Back Beach 01-12-2007, 11:00 AM What they need to do is have the tournament start earlier and go until November 1st, then they need to have a moratorium period that coincides with the MA. Commercial Season then start again and have a distinct division for surf and one for boat or give the surf guys two points for every one of the boat guys points like the Scheafer did.
Good suggestion for the point system. I disagree with people's argument versus the comms because I see it this way: A mass commercial last year could take 95 fish a week legally, but not all at once. It went 5-0-30-30-30-0-0 for the week. If a person weighs a fish Sunday, they are all done for the week. Who is to say the next day you won't take a larger fish and be kicking yourself? I would say at most you only have the "advantage" for one day if you are commercial. Plus, remember, Rhody has a commercial season too, but the season is not well defined as far as dates go. It has a start date, but often times they reopen the season later in the year if there is quota space left. This means you could have staggered commercial seasons, which could impact the entire time frame of the tourney. Here's my final take and I'm leaving this thread for dead.
1. Make the point system more equitable for surf versus boat.
2. Lengthen the tourney from May 1 to at least mid October.
3. Don't fret over the commercials; I would rather beat them out on their own field anyways. Their advantage is negligible at best.
4. The more high liners in the tourney, the better. It gives the tournament more merit and prestige, which was what the schaeffer tourney had, meaning it meant something to win it.
Swimmer 01-12-2007, 12:04 PM Many valid points!
Mr. Sandman 01-12-2007, 01:00 PM edited out to keep world peace
inTHERAPY 01-12-2007, 01:28 PM I will enter again next year also. In a conversation w/ Gene Bourque last night at the boat show he spoke openly about some of the proposed changes. While I do not think I am at liberty to print verbatim what i was told I can say most of "your" concerns are being addressed.
Larger minimum size fish, dedicated shore division, weighted points system per pound for shore fish, 10 truck keys, catch and release. Sign-up it's gonna be fun!
Back Beach 01-12-2007, 01:33 PM Back Beach...
Unfort'ly that is not the way it actually worked. Slips had to be turned in only once per week. Slips would get held all week and the largest fish of the week would get sent in. They were able to use the entire weeks catch and select the largest fish.
Just when I thought I was out, you pulled me back in.
If guys are doing that its not necessarily a commercial fishing issue, but an ethical one. Judging by a lot of your responses, you must have witnessed much of this first hand. I remember you making the same points during the contest and they are valid, no doubt. I'm not sure I would implicate everyone who holds a license under those auspices though. If what you are claiming is true, then the guys involved abused the system pretty badly, IMO. There's nothing that says a rec guy couldn't do the same thing though, only it would be a 14 fish per week cull instead of 95, provided both parties produced the maximum allowable take of fish. With either case,its wrong.
Canalman 01-12-2007, 01:38 PM My big problem with it is the hassle along with the needless killing of trophy fish. I entered... caught 8 confirmed fish over 30# let all but one go and didn't even enter that fish. I just don't care enough about it. C&R I would do but senseless killing brings us right back to 1960. I'd kinda like to see no one enter and see how they change the rules to get us back.
-Dave
inTHERAPY 01-12-2007, 01:39 PM [QUOTE=Mr. Sandman;450240]Back Beach...
Unfort'ly that is not the way it actually worked. Slips had to be turned in only once per week. Slips would get held all week and the largest fish of the week would get sent in. They were able to use the entire weeks catch and select the largest fish.
That is a question of ethics. Cheaters always cheat. It is not only a matter of ethics for the fisherman but also with regards to the weigh station for holding the slip and swapping it out. You speak of this happening like you know for sure. If you know of this for a fact, call them out. Tell OTW and tell us who!
Canalman 01-12-2007, 01:40 PM I also can't understand why anyone would enter a 20# fish? Not bashing guys who did but I just don;t get it?
Mr. Sandman 01-12-2007, 01:41 PM sorry
over and out!!
Back Beach 01-12-2007, 01:47 PM C & R would be a complete joke. With the number of unsubstantiated claims I hear every year, it would be recipe for disaster. A dead fish on the scale is the only way to truly confirm a catch, IMO. Don't even get me going on this one.:spin: If we took all of the claims people made each year and actually confirmed them with a scale, there would be a lot of disappointed fishermen and shatterd egos.
Mike P 01-12-2007, 02:00 PM [QUOTE=Mr. Sandman;450240]Back Beach...
Unfort'ly that is not the way it actually worked. Slips had to be turned in only once per week. Slips would get held all week and the largest fish of the week would get sent in. They were able to use the entire weeks catch and select the largest fish.
That is a question of ethics. Cheaters always cheat. It is not only a matter of ethics for the fisherman but also with regards to the weigh station for holding the slip and swapping it out. You speak of this happening like you know for sure. If you know of this for a fact, call them out. Tell OTW and tell us who!
There's an easy way to stop that. Either you don't allow an official weigh-in station that's also sponsoring a club to weigh its own members' fish, or you sequentially number the weigh-in slips and make the station account for all of the "missing" slips ;)
In other words, 3 copies of every weigh-in slip, sequentially numbered. One slip to the angler, one to OTW and the weigh-in station keeps the originals. The station has to send in the originals at the end, and they're compared to the slips received by OTW.
Back Beach 01-12-2007, 02:00 PM LOL, Your post pulled me back in!!
Honestly, I think those were the rules. Slips had to go in once per week by some specific time and not submitted as soon as the fish were weighed in. That is the way I understood the rules. I could be wrong. Lord knows I have be wrong before! But IMO it really does not matter, and I really don't care one way or the other....it is the entire "being paid to fish" vs "not being paid to fish" that leaves that kind of dirty taste in my mouth. You go out and fish and spend money on fishing because you love to fish. You release fish because you love the fish. It is not the same when your on a comm boat.
over and out!!
With regard to the slips, they could be numbered and accounted for. Say a shop gets slips #1-50, and fills one out upon a weigh in, with one of the cc's going back to otw to match the original. Kind of like a p.o. What you suggested is that a guy would have a bunch of slips for the week, send the biggest in, and throw the rest away, right? Put the onus on the weigh station to account for each one of their numbered slips that are issued. When the tourney ends, OTW could call that shop and say, "what happened to slips 22-30?,they weren't returned to us but you used them." This wouldn't add any additional hassle, because the slips need to be returned anyways. They would just be numbered and accounted for.
Back Beach 01-12-2007, 02:05 PM [QUOTE=inTHERAPY;450253]
There's an easy way to stop that. Either you don't allow an official weigh-in station that's also sponsoring a club to weigh its own members' fish, or you sequentially number the weigh-in slips and make the station account for all of the "missing" slips ;)
In other words, 3 copies of every weigh-in slip, sequentially numbered. One slip to the angler, one to OTW and the weigh-in station keeps the originals. The station has to send in the originals at the end, and they're compared to the slips received by OTW.
You beat me to it, lightning boy.
Mike P 01-12-2007, 02:05 PM With regard to the slips, they could be numbered and accounted for. Say a shop gets slips #1-50, and fills one out upon a weigh in, with one of the cc's going back to otw to match the original. Kind of like a p.o. What you suggested is that a guy would have a bunch of slips for the week, send the biggest in, and throw the rest away, right? Put the onus on the weigh station to account for each one of their numbered slips that are issued. When the tourney ends, OTW could call that shop and say, "what happened to slips 22-30?,they weren't returned to us but you used them." This wouldn't add any additional hassle, because the slips need to be returned anyways. They would just be numbered and accounted for.
Great minds think alike and at the same time ;)
Mr. Sandman 01-12-2007, 02:34 PM I suppose that would work but what IF a slip was lost? This is a tackle shop you are dealing with not Arthur Anderson. IMO this entire thing it is fret with complications. I would hate being the guy having to make up the rules.
BTW, thanks for all the quotes guys.. :rollem: I need to have a cup of Goose's favorite drink now and again.
beamie 01-12-2007, 02:35 PM Sandman,
I read you posted before you edited and agreed with some of what you stated but not all.
My thoughts......
For fairness to stop all the bickering they should just say no comm fish allowed. Though that won't stop the cheating of icing over etc.
The way I read the rules weather your a rec or comm anyone can enter 1 fish a week. Nothing that I read says you can't "cull" for the week and mail OTW your highest weight. If a rec or comm gets a 50 on Sunday and a 60 on Thursday the 60 slip goes in. Anyone can cull. Is this correct????
The only advantage the comm has over rec is he is spending way more time fishing for that 20 day period than the rec. His motivation is money, which for some or most is more than love. This gets his arse out of bed.....then double dips and weighs fish for the tourney, it is like "bycatch".....
Unfortunately, no matter what the rules, when big prizes or big egos are involved like boats and trucks no matter what the rules there will be dirty play.
Redsoxticket 01-12-2007, 07:00 PM The state law for MA & RI indicate the possession of a maximum of two bass over 28" per day either from shore or boat.
The commercial should follow the same rules or have their own seperate tournament and prizes within the Striper Cup.
An aside
OTW has enough subscibers and sponsors to take the lead in attempting to protect the forage of baitfish.
With regard to the slips, they could be numbered and accounted for. Say a shop gets slips #1-50, and fills one out upon a weigh in, with one of the cc's going back to otw to match the original. Kind of like a p.o. What you suggested is that a guy would have a bunch of slips for the week, send the biggest in, and throw the rest away, right? Put the onus on the weigh station to account for each one of their numbered slips that are issued. When the tourney ends, OTW could call that shop and say, "what happened to slips 22-30?,they weren't returned to us but you used them." This wouldn't add any additional hassle, because the slips need to be returned anyways. They would just be numbered and accounted for.
There are ways around everything..
If a shop was sponsering so to say,a team..
They could just write the weights down an tally em up at the end of the week.Sign a blank slip..to be filled out later.??
The only way to really assure is to have the slips be post marked 24 hrs after being weighed..That would have to be the entrants responsibility..
Of course on weekends that might be a problem..
Moses 01-27-2007, 06:33 AM In the Feb 07 OTW magazine, there is an ad for Striper Cup 2007. Notable statements on this ad include;
1. "This years tournament will feature a new surf-casters division!"
2. "NEW FOR 07: Catch & Release Option"
Of course, more details to follow but this sounds promising.
JohnR 01-27-2007, 09:04 AM Oooo - Catch & release option? Wonder how that will work out.
I know I must split with many of my brothas (and probably piss a few off) but I think commercial season should somehow disabled for commercial license holders. Some say that there is no motivation or advantage - other than skill - but that is just not true. I'm perfectly fine with getting my ass handed to me by a superior commercial angler based on skill. The whole numerical advantage in how many bass a comm angler can posess during the same amount of time is tremendous....
Kudos for a surf division
BigFish 01-27-2007, 09:10 AM I can't worry about those who WILL cheat! I just take care of my own and they are the ones who have to live with themselves! Someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar last yar as I recall! See ya!:wavey:
No pride or self respect in cheating!:doh:
Is anyone surprised that was a single club or an entrant from NY?Considering that the clubs as far as southern NJ participated ,its kind of odd.You cant say people in NY don't read OTW as everyone I know is a reader if not subscribers (granted ,I move in surf and not boat circles)
CowHunter 01-27-2007, 11:20 AM Funny how many guys are complaining about the Commercial Guys. I dont see what the big deal is, theyve only got a 5 week season?? 4 days a week and most don't bother fishing Sundays... Theres the whole month of May, June, Half of July, Half of August, September, and October where guys can way in one fish a week... Ill have to start my own club for this tournament!
CowHunter 01-27-2007, 11:23 AM I did have a few clients of mine that were fishing this tournament this past year, I know one of them one biggest fish in August w/ a 50.6lbs, Came down to the last two for the truck key! Some nice fish were wieghed in off my boat in the adult a junior divisions.....I Never entered.
Swimmer 01-27-2007, 11:57 AM I agree with John about the commercial fisherman advantage from a numbers standpoint. However, I believe thier greatest advantage is from another perspective, and that is the knowledge they have of where the fish are located on a day to day basis, not only as it relates the size of a school of fish that is being fished by the com guys, but the size of the fish taken as well. Very few chat up each other, but thier are certain people who let other certain people know where they are catching, because they are buddies on and off the water. Some boats while they dont share profit do fish in tandem, and watch out for each other in many many other ways.
Some of the guys I know that fish commercially could care less about a tournament, and do not enter any.
I really don't understand the why guys in boats do not want to fish against the com guys..
Look at it this way u still have a 2 fish per day limit..
u know to even get a mention ur gonna have to get one in the mid forties..
So u get one 46 lbs it goes in the cooler.an u fish for a bigger one..
U should all be ashamed of urselves as MEN..
I hear these cry's of time on the water an amount of fish it all means crap.'
Do u wanna beat the best to be the best or do u wanna play on some kinda fishing for the time impaired/skill level impaired curve..
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Here is a god example for u cry baby's look at kenny Cow Hunter..
Surf guy for a few yrs has lots of drive gets a boat spends lots of time honin his craft an the guy consistantly gets big fish..
All in the time frame of a few yrs really..
He's from NJ.Thats why he's good..:D
It ain't a spot thing it's technique..
He can fish with most anyone in the waters that stripers swim..
Suck it up..
Is anyone surprised that was a single club or an entrant from NY?Considering that the clubs as far as southern NJ participated ,its kind of odd.You cant say people in NY don't read OTW as everyone I know is a reader if not subscribers (granted ,I move in surf and not boat circles)
I didn't think those dudes could read..
:hihi:
So what R u saying.
Why didn't they enter..
Them LI surf contest's get plenty of play..
Catch an Release is a joke in a tourney worth anything..
Nice concept but fisherman are liars to begin with.
Giving out prizes for fish tales won't cut it in NIB's world..
Ake G 01-28-2007, 09:47 AM I'm not and would never be interested in participating in or supporting any tournament or organization that encourages fish kills.
I think it's irresponsible and hypocritical of On The Water magazine to stage or support this tournament at all.
Back Beach 01-28-2007, 10:48 AM Catch an Release is a joke in a tourney worth anything..
Nice concept but fisherman are liars to begin with.
Giving out prizes for fish tales won't cut it in NIB's world..
Agreed 100%.In Back Beach's world its the same "weigh", pun intended.
I think the fairy tale division would bring more people in, which is good because it is a sportsmanship event, after all. Lots of good, honest anglers out there that catch and release too.:uhoh: I would presume the awards would have to be lesser for unoffically weighed fish, though.No trucks or boats, maybe a plaque,boga grip, and some barbless hooks.:hee: Its good in theory and a conservation minded gesture.The potential abuses are exponentially greater than the non catch and release divisions though if large prizes are offered.If the C&R is its own divison though, there is no reason to oppose it. Its a good idea.
tattoobob 01-28-2007, 11:18 AM I am thinking this over and I may just join the end of year party was fun I saw alot of people there that I didn't see all year, and I am not in it for the win just the fun. I only keep what I am going to feed the family. That is probably 3 or 4 in the 15 to 20 pound range
tattoobob 01-28-2007, 11:24 AM Is S-B Sponsoring a team this year?
inTHERAPY 01-30-2007, 10:12 AM Catch and release is just a token for those who catch and release. Read between the lines, more people to enter/more subscriptions, and happy tree huggers. C&R can only be for a pounder pin. No catch and release fish is going to win a prize. IMO If OTW got rid of every fishermen with a commercial license that tourney would never make it!
leptar 01-30-2007, 12:31 PM Doh!... Treat this fairly... No fish shall be weighed in during the commercial season...
there is one solution...
and i'm far from being a rocket scientist...
I don't think it's right or fair to tell a commercal you can't weigh in a fish now because it's in season or because you hold a license... whats good for one is good for all... let this be a rule and not a punishment because of profession...
Sweetwater 01-30-2007, 02:31 PM Doh!... Treat this fairly... No fish shall be weighed in during the commercial season...
there is one solution...
and i'm far from being a rocket scientist...
I don't think it's right or fair to tell a commercal you can't weigh in a fish now because it's in season or because you hold a license... whats good for one is good for all... let this be a rule and not a punishment because of profession...
I believe that no fish should qualify while one is engaged in commercial fishing. Two reasons 1) the temptation to cull is too great (we've already seen some abuse here) and 2) it disadvantages recreational fishermen who can only possess 2 fish.
To a broader point, I dislike this whole idea of many fishermen killing fish only so one person can win a prize. I only keep fish that will go on the table. In this day and age, these types of tournaments are anachronistic. They may have been okay in earlier times but now the ecosystem just can't support it any longer. If fishermen desire to "compete," surely there is a more environmentally friendly way to do so.
Back Beach 02-01-2007, 01:20 PM New rules are up. Looks like some good changes were made. No mention of commercial fishing ban. They did limit the number of fish an individual can count towards the team totals(2 per man), and you must declare either surf or boat diviison when you sign up. Also, surf fish will get 1.3 points per pound towards the team totals, and all fish must measure 36" or larger to be eligible for entry.
Mike P 02-01-2007, 01:45 PM Doh!... Treat this fairly... No fish shall be weighed in during the commercial season...
there is one solution...
and i'm far from being a rocket scientist...
I don't think it's right or fair to tell a commercal you can't weigh in a fish now because it's in season or because you hold a license... whats good for one is good for all... let this be a rule and not a punishment because of profession...
Keep in mind--this is a coast-wide tournament. You can't make everyone dance to the tune of the Mass commercial season. Last year fishermen from Maine to NJ entered. How fair is it to guys in Maine to in effect suspend this tournament for what might well be the most productive part of their season for big fish (mid-July to mid August)?
I'm a shore guy. I'll take my chances against the shorebound commercial pinhookers ;) If there are guys on the Cape puting thirty 34"+ fish on the sand or rocks every night, my hat's off to them :D
If you're a boat guy and you think a commercial boater has a leg up--just don't enter :huh:
Slipknot 02-01-2007, 05:40 PM New rules are up. Looks like some good changes were made. No mention of commercial fishing ban. They did limit the number of fish an individual can count towards the team totals(2 per man), and you must declare either surf or boat diviison when you sign up. Also, surf fish will get 1.3 points per pound towards the team totals, and all fish must measure 36" or larger to be eligible for entry.
Ya, some new rules, but it ends on Sept. 16th :rollem:
that may count me out
Saltheart 02-01-2007, 11:51 PM I'll probably enter just so I can attend the end of tourney bash. Saw lots of friends there last year.
inTHERAPY 02-02-2007, 01:26 PM The new rules are up and I think they look very fair. I think a shore fish will win the biggest fish of the year, 45# will get you almost 60 points
Here's the link..
http://ww.onthewater.com/stripercuprules.html
Already being misunderstood as the rule states for club entrants only.
A shore caught fish will be multiplyed by a factor of 1.3
Some interesting changes one would have effected me was only 2 fish per angler can be counted towards the team's total of ten fish.
I had three fish last yr..I think.
Catch an release is for pins only...
There will be five different key holders this yr
(in each division shore an boat).as a individual can only win one monthly prize.After that it goes to the next biggest fish..
Homerun04 03-12-2007, 07:53 PM I'm in...but really just for the comraderie and the party at the end.....will only weigh my biggest fish (40+ pounders)....
The contest took quite a few of my jersey bretheran last yr off guard.They are putting together quite a team for this yr..
If the fishing holds up like it has in past yrs an with the new format of 1.3 per lb for surf fish.I don't see any problem of a team total of over 500 lbs. It should be interesting..
I have committed to them.Not really sure what I am doing yet.
Like I said I didin't really like killin all the fish i did last yr..
Still have a bad taste in my mouth about it...
Somones gonna kill em though.
It's really gonna be insane this yr as the cat is not only out of the bag but it has spawned..
There's experts doin seminars an how to's..
It's one thing to be on the end of a crowded jetty with guys who know what they are doing..
U add one bad apple an it can be really dangerous with the big hooks flyin all over the place.
Not sure I wanna get all up it..
There will be rumblin on the rocks..
Time to find another way to skin this feline....
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