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Flaptail
02-26-2007, 12:11 PM
Bass could you land if you encountered the following:

3 hours into the drop, 2 am on an outer cape beach. The surf is moderate. A 3 foot swell with no wind but it's a new moon.

Big bass, 30 pounds and up are suddenly at your feet. Your fishing plugs. Needlefish to be exact. They aren't blitzing but they are eating well, not committing suicide but taking regurlarly.

You have a nine foot spinning rod with a braid friendly reel and 20 pound braid.

The bite is on for two hours then stops.

Being a reasonably knowledgable and skilled surf fisherman how many do you think you could expect to land given the weight of the fish, the line class your fishing and the time window?

This should be interesting!

Swimmer
02-26-2007, 12:14 PM
From the conditions given with that many fish and and gear certainly big enough to handle the fish, as many as your body could handle.

Flaptail
02-26-2007, 12:16 PM
Knowing how long a fish like those might take to land from experience but also knowing individual fish fighting techniques vary greatly, pick a number. 3? 6? 12? 18?:huh:

Swimmer
02-26-2007, 12:22 PM
Six taking into consideration thier is three hours of tide left.

jim sylvester
02-26-2007, 12:22 PM
9-12 bass would be a good number steve

you figure they're not blitzing, but on the feed

a bass in that class range with that gear would be landed pretty quickly, not an epic battle going on here, as 20 lb braid is stronger than you think

figure every 5 casts pick up a fish

just my thoughts here

The Dad Fisherman
02-26-2007, 12:24 PM
I'd be happy with one......

Rockfish9
02-26-2007, 12:27 PM
4-6... fish that size are coming into their fighting prime, big enough to turn broad side and keep you honest, still "small" enough to allow you to put the tongs to 'em,(IMHO, 38-44s are the hardest fighters),some will run a long way and sulk, then slowly give in, others will do battle right at your feet,running at you cartwheeling and then run out to sea, only to reverse direction and comit harry carry on the beach hard tellin' not knowing!.. then you have to take into account that you wont get one every cast....yup, 4-6, 4 being more realistic....

Slipknot
02-26-2007, 12:52 PM
Landing 8-10 may be reasonable, but if we have to take some time to revive them then, who knows. 2 hours goes by pretty quick when the bite is on. You say 20 lb braid, well it it is 20 lb fireline, then no problem for me, but if it's 20 lb whiplash or powerpro or some other junk, then it could take a bit longer to play the fish. I feel more comfortable with fireline since it breaks at a higher lb than they rate it.

Slingah
02-26-2007, 12:54 PM
a dozen or so.... give or take if your real horny.....

Joe
02-26-2007, 12:57 PM
If you're letting them go - taking care to not rip their mouth apart and taking time to revive the ones that are beat up pretty bad maybe 15.
If you are a commercial, in your fish-catching prime and motivated by money, and knowing how much you can horse them, and not caring if you rip their face off when you disgorge the hook, and throwing them in a pile behind you rather than reviving them: 25...maybe more.
I've known commercials who can beach a 20 in under three minutes...

jim sylvester
02-26-2007, 01:00 PM
If you're letting them go - taking care to not rip their mouth apart and taking time to revive the ones that are beat up pretty bad maybe 15.
If you are a commercial, in your fish-catching prime and motivated by money, and knowing how much you can horse them, and not caring if you rip their face off when you disgorge the hook, and throwing them in a pile behind you rather than reviving them: 25...maybe more.
I've known commercials who can beach a 20 in under three minutes...


20's in under 3 minutes..the old crank and yank technique

Slipknot
02-26-2007, 01:02 PM
I do that in the canal

Flaptail
02-26-2007, 01:07 PM
No money involved here Joe! Interesting responses! One of you so far is in my own estimate ( I added in some time for "sportsman release ie: sh!t!!!! I dropped the baztard).

Let's call them June fish, real slammers!

Keep the responses coming! THANKS!!!!:btu:

snake slinger
02-26-2007, 01:17 PM
8-10

reelecstasy
02-26-2007, 01:27 PM
i'd say 10, at best...at least for me
I have a habit of lighting up when I get a nice one.....

Rockport24
02-26-2007, 01:31 PM
I think I'd be so happy to get one that I would celebrate for a while, not realizing the feed is "on", but then after the initial celebration I could probably land 5 more, now if we were talking about a jagged rocky coast, I'd say only 2 more, but a beach is a little more forgiving and 3 foot seas doesn't sound too bad, but I guess the new moon would get some good rips going...

Flaptail
02-26-2007, 01:35 PM
I think I'd be so happy to get one that I would celebrate for a while, not realizing the feed is "on", but then after the initial celebration I could probably land 5 more, now if we were talking about a jagged rocky coast, I'd say only 2 more, but a beach is a little more forgiving and 3 foot seas doesn't sound too bad, but I guess the new moon would get some good rips going...

Your on the right track with your thinking. Got to analyze all the factors that might affect your outcome, including personal experience levels! I like it!:claps:

Slingah
02-26-2007, 01:39 PM
u didnt even have the ### 8 up there flap:spin:

Karl F
02-26-2007, 01:39 PM
2 hour steady bite, (not blitz), on the drop, 20 pound fireline, 9 foot rod, 30# (20-30) class.. all c&r.. I'm with Rock... 4-6.. if you want a specific # and not a range.. I'll split the difference... 5.. tops.. I would think.

Flaptail
02-26-2007, 01:41 PM
My estimate isn't 8 Matt!

(BTW, did you see sound stage last night on Channel 2? The New York Dolls were on live for an hour, it was great!)

RIROCKHOUND
02-26-2007, 01:42 PM
10

Slingah
02-26-2007, 01:44 PM
My estimate isn't 8 Matt!

(BTW, did you see sound stage last night on Channel 2? The New York Dolls were on live for an hour, it was great!)

nope missed it....like I could have gotten near the tube with the "red carpet" anyhoo...

Rockfish9
02-26-2007, 01:46 PM
And no ones even mentioned Murphys law...... takes time to check leaders, retie if needed..... revive fish..... deal with the bloody hand that just got spined!!! two hours goes by mighty fast when your busy.....

jim sylvester
02-26-2007, 01:49 PM
I still say 9-12

pops02
02-26-2007, 01:50 PM
i say 6

Christian
02-26-2007, 01:55 PM
ide say six. 40-50lb braid though and 10lbs of drag. after that maybe a few more, but arms will be dead.

Adamfishes
02-26-2007, 01:58 PM
can I use a net:fishslap: ?

BigFish
02-26-2007, 02:04 PM
Had a night similar to that with BM, Slipknot and Slingah!!! I bet about 20 fish till the sun comes up and scatters them!:huh: This particular night fish were between 20-30 pounds! Most were about 25 to be sure!

But ooooppppssss.....I am fishing 15 pound mono!:huh:

Karl F
02-26-2007, 02:09 PM
The bite is on for two hours then stops.



BFL (and others)... 2 hour bite...gotta factor that..

BigFish
02-26-2007, 02:10 PM
Oh......ummmmm......a dozen then!:drool:

bassmaster
02-26-2007, 02:10 PM
alot for me not sure how many, but its a feel thing with me. depending on how the bass are hooked also
but i learn early on when they chow lay as many as u can on the sand (selling) wow memorys

Karl F
02-26-2007, 02:11 PM
non blitz.. slow, but steady bite.. Flap gave all the details :hihi:

BigFish
02-26-2007, 02:11 PM
12!:kewl:

Rappin Mikey
02-26-2007, 02:12 PM
Since you stated that the fish were in the wash. I would guess a fish I caught in the 20# class to take 3-5 minutes to beach. A 30# class maybe more like 5-10. Assuming I'm on the beach and not rocks, the surf is small to moderate, there is a consistant bite, and I'm not to drunk, I would guess 10 to 15. If you account for a tad of fisherman exaggeration, I would say 15 to 20. If you account for tough releases, gear failure, wind knots, grabbing a beer, I would say 5 to 10. So after reviewing all of these factors, I would estimate 8-12 fish!

Bronko
02-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Bass could you land if you encountered the following:

3 hours into the drop, 2 am on an outer cape beach. The surf is moderate. A 3 foot swell with no wind but it's a new moon.

Big bass, 30 pounds and up are suddenly at your feet. Your fishing plugs. Needlefish to be exact. They aren't blitzing but they are eating well, not committing suicide but taking regurlarly.

You have a nine foot spinning rod with a braid friendly reel and 20 pound braid.

The bite is on for two hours then stops.

Being a reasonably knowledgable and skilled surf fisherman how many do you think you could expect to land given the weight of the fish, the line class your fishing and the time window?

This should be interesting!

You'd be really deep into the drop by the end of the 2 hours. Are you on a an outer bar or fishing a trough in front? I basically fish the backside with the outfit you have described...... I'd say 10-12 is a pretty good estimate.:gf:

JohnR
02-26-2007, 02:26 PM
8 to 10 with a sheeet eating grin...

(less in Rhody cause of retying and breaking off 7 minutes into the fight on a couple)

Slingah
02-26-2007, 02:28 PM
if I won I want a Flap plug....

Ed B
02-26-2007, 02:35 PM
A few thoughts:
1. June = cool water, Moderate surf = plenty of Oxygen and frisky fish. Fish in the 30 lb class and bigger in the spring after the spawn are big+long for their weight and fight well. You won't yank any of them across the surface on 20 lb line if your drag is set where it should be. So it's going to take a while to get them in.
2. Three hours into the drop with a swell tells me there's a good chance you have a good current where your at and the fish are sitting nose into the current looking to feed. You'll probably have to present your plug properly like a small fish gets overtaken by current or they won't grab your offer, as a steady pick but no blitzing indicates that, at least to me anyway. The guys who've got buck-fever and are casting and reeling like crazy won't catch much (maybe one or two fish, but they won't get more than three).
3. Flap, you don't say how many other guys you have to share the action with, but since you don't mention it, I'll guess it won't be a factor and they won't be in the way. With current and thirty pound plus fish they'll take some line and you'll have to move down the beach some after you hook up.
4. I'll estimate five minutes of casting before the hit on a steady bite, + ten minutes/fish = 8 fish but if you account for time to retie once plus one likely tackle screwup, bent hook, plug change or tangle or pilot error, your down to 7 fish.
5. My final answer is 7 fish for those conditions listed for a 2 hour period. If you spend time on the release, which can be a pain in the swell, you may likely end up with less than this.

Ed

Flaptail
02-26-2007, 02:50 PM
A few thoughts:
1. June = cool water, Moderate surf = plenty of Oxygen and frisky fish. Fish in the 30 lb class and bigger in the spring after the spawn are big+long for their weight and fight well. You won't yank any of them across the surface on 20 lb line if your drag is set where it should be. So it's going to take a while to get them in.
2. Three hours into the drop with a swell tells me there's a good chance you have a good current where your at and the fish are sitting nose into the current looking to feed. You'll probably have to present your plug properly like a small fish gets overtaken by current or they won't grab your offer, as a steady pick but no blitzing indicates that, at least to me anyway. The guys who've got buck-fever and are casting and reeling like crazy won't catch much (maybe one or two fish, but they won't get more than three).
3. Flap, you don't say how many other guys you have to share the action with, but since you don't mention it, I'll guess it won't be a factor and they won't be in the way. With current and thirty pound plus fish they'll take some line and you'll have to move down the beach some after you hook up.
4. I'll estimate five minutes of casting before the hit on a steady bite, + ten minutes/fish = 8 fish but if you account for time to retie once plus one likely tackle screwup, bent hook, plug change or tangle or pilot error, your down to 7 fish.
5. My final answer is 7 fish for those conditions listed for a 2 hour period. If you spend time on the release, which can be a pain in the swell, you may likely end up with less than this.

Ed

Eddy baby!!!! :wave: TC was speaking kindly of you the other day. I love the way you broke this down.

I can smell the smoke from all the thinking going on.

I will give my answer this evening and discuss it in more detail Wednesday night at Mass Striped Bass.

Rockport24
02-26-2007, 02:51 PM
Your on the right track with your thinking. Got to analyze all the factors that might affect your outcome, including personal experience levels! I like it!:claps:

awee shucks, I feel like a student that just got an A!

DZ
02-26-2007, 05:04 PM
A few thoughts:
1. June = cool water, Moderate surf = plenty of Oxygen and frisky fish. Fish in the 30 lb class and bigger in the spring after the spawn are big+long for their weight and fight well. You won't yank any of them across the surface on 20 lb line if your drag is set where it should be. So it's going to take a while to get them in.
2. Three hours into the drop with a swell tells me there's a good chance you have a good current where your at and the fish are sitting nose into the current looking to feed. You'll probably have to present your plug properly like a small fish gets overtaken by current or they won't grab your offer, as a steady pick but no blitzing indicates that, at least to me anyway. The guys who've got buck-fever and are casting and reeling like crazy won't catch much (maybe one or two fish, but they won't get more than three).
3. Flap, you don't say how many other guys you have to share the action with, but since you don't mention it, I'll guess it won't be a factor and they won't be in the way. With current and thirty pound plus fish they'll take some line and you'll have to move down the beach some after you hook up.
4. I'll estimate five minutes of casting before the hit on a steady bite, + ten minutes/fish = 8 fish but if you account for time to retie once plus one likely tackle screwup, bent hook, plug change or tangle or pilot error, your down to 7 fish.
5. My final answer is 7 fish for those conditions listed for a 2 hour period. If you spend time on the release, which can be a pain in the swell, you may likely end up with less than this.

Ed

Those damn engineers. Always have a formula or equation. That's why I like fishing with Ed. He's got the angle figured out.

DZ

numbskull
02-26-2007, 05:15 PM
After the fourth fish I'd probably move looking for bigger ones.....and come up empty.

Bronko
02-26-2007, 05:46 PM
After the fourth fish I'd probably move looking for bigger ones.....and come up empty.

:laugha: Sad, but I have been guilty of sins like this.

Pete F.
02-26-2007, 06:13 PM
Those damn engineers. Always have a formula or equation. That's why I like fishing with Ed. He's got the angle figured out.

DZ
That's the difference between guessing, scientific wild ass guessing and estimating. I'd have just said 6.

afterhours
02-26-2007, 07:38 PM
about 12 with a smile.

Backbeach Jake
02-26-2007, 07:51 PM
5-6 in two hours ,steady bite, not crazy fish. All out blitz maybe double that. That's c&r. Money fishing would be different, heavier line and rod.might hit 15 then in 2 hours. BUT...when I started bragging, it would be over 100.:laugha: Good thoughtful thread, Flap.

Karl F
02-26-2007, 07:59 PM
yep.. throwing a needle on the drop.. very slow retrieve.. and non blitz.. that means.. what 5 or more casts between bites,minimum, and how long does that slow retrieve take?.... land it, against the drop..no incoming to help push it on the beach.. revive it, if needed... time the receeding wave right and.. release it.. you do 3 an hour, one every twenty minutes.. that's a good clip.. and.. if you have to retie, or change out a lure??.. I'm thinking I might have been optimistic.. but, Steve did mention at least one LDR... (Long Distance Release)... so....:huh:


Steve.. give us your answer.. and at some point in time.. I'd like to hear the Senior Angler's Answer....

big jay
02-26-2007, 08:49 PM
0 - because I seem to be severly handicapped from the surf. But if I get in the boat and troll about 1/4 mile off the surfline with my wire and a 5 oz jig - I'll put a hurting on em.

NIB
02-26-2007, 09:55 PM
Taking into consideration all the things I have read here.
I now have a headache..
Being as i have to use a 9 ft sissy stick an 20 lb braid.
The number would be< If i was able to use my usuall gear..
Where winching em in would be more condusive to a quicker release in 2 hrs i could do...,,.
I have no idea really..
I have a answer but What ever it is u say i will agree..

tattoobob
02-26-2007, 10:42 PM
12 to 16

Pt.JudeJoe
02-26-2007, 11:44 PM
8 seems like a good number to me .15 mins per fish on average ,gives you time to relish the moment(s) and still keep busy.

Flaptail
02-27-2007, 06:17 AM
Okay, here goes. my estimate would be 8 fish. I use the theory of letting big fish on an open beach tire themselves out. A tired fish is easier to land in a moderate swell with the effects of the new moon pulling water across the bars. June fish, as EdB pointed out are in cooler water and that makes them, in my experience, and especially after just swimming 900 plus miles, some of the toughest fighting fish of the year. Also, as KarlF and a few others pointed out the bite is steady and a five cast to one fish ratio is right on the money and I work needles very very slowly. Add the inevitable dropped fish or two and you have the 8 count as far as my calcs go.

There are other mitigating factors as well. Leader chafe, knot strength (was that improved clinch knot on the clip snug enough???)
The water is lowering constantly and some of these fish are going over the bar and dragging the braid through the sand, braid doesn't really respond well to that. Furthemore, is that last years braid?

Many factors to think about and consider plus the level of excitement of the angler. Some are calm and cool, some, like myself, get wired when fish are hitting and caution can be somehow overshadowed by the thought of is this the "big one" I have been waiting for for 40 years.

There is no real right answer. It's based on personal skill levels and experience and your fish catching methodologies.

Thanks for your responses!:claps: :btu:

Raven
02-27-2007, 08:01 AM
I'd be happy with one......

ya meat head! lol


interesting read Flaptail

BassDawg
02-27-2007, 02:13 PM
This year............ZERO!!

Am going the All Trophies Route this year. Will catch the belly fillers inbetween the BIG GIRLS for the fridge............but this year I'm taking the Crazy Al approach and am WALKING AWAY!!!

I know, I know it sounds very foreign to the adrenaline, excitement, and "they're here" factor that consumes us; yet, do you want to catch and release quantities of feesh, or do you want to target that TROPHY or Quality Large that only come few and far between. And then again, if one does become a genuine Trophy Hunter wouldn't the number of landed COWS increase ~ya know, not be so few and occur more often~ by the very nature of solely targetting the 50# class and up?

Gonna be tough, but iffin you're spending that much time where ya know there are 30's, why not move and go git that 50+, somewheres? Don't get me wrong it would be a BLAST, but if I only have so many feesh in me, why not focus me efforts on the BIGGUNS, give them a quick pic, and safe release or mount if she truly is the Striper of a Lifetime?

jim sylvester
02-27-2007, 02:43 PM
This year............ZERO!!

Am going the All Trophies Route this year. Will catch the belly fillers inbetween the BIG GIRLS for the fridge............but this year I'm taking the Crazy Al approach and am WALKING AWAY!!!

I know, I know it sounds very foreign to the adrenaline, excitement, and "they're here" factor that consumes us; yet, do you want to catch and release quantities of feesh, or do you want to target that TROPHY or Quality Large that only come few and far between. And then again, if one does become a genuine Trophy Hunter wouldn't the number of landed COWS increase ~ya know, not be so few and occur more often~ by the very nature of solely targetting the 50# class and up?

Gonna be tough, but iffin you're spending that much time where ya know there are 30's, why not move and go git that 50+, somewheres? Don't get me wrong it would be a BLAST, but if I only have so many feesh in me, why not focus me efforts on the BIGGUNS, give them a quick pic, and safe release or mount if she truly is the Striper of a Lifetime?
basstracker
no disrespect here, only what i think
it takes a lot to walk away from a bunch of 30 lb fish

to some it is the fish of a lifetime, others just happy catching instead of tossing all night with no avail

it takes true determination to walk away from a slug of 30lb steady fish to go looking for a trophy

Flaptail
02-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Basstracker I understand your point. I guess that is an individual cross you have to bear. Being the outside beaches have been what they have been ( and with the new year hope burns eternal for a better prospective) then night I proposed as a situation you might find yourself in is as rare as the trophy you seek elsewhere.

Now RI, CT, NY or NJ south I cannot comment on as I only fish the cape and this may be plausible there but the outer cape I haunt religiously and it's gotten really really hard.

Thanks for posting though it's another insight into how we all think differently and at the same time in the same way! (I know that must be an oxymoron of some type)

Rockfish9
02-27-2007, 03:03 PM
I tend to leave "smaller" fish for bigger ones, myself, I'm not interested in numbers, just quality, but if I recall the post correctly, it was 30 and up.... that size fish just might have a big one in it, I just might go to a bigger bait..... I've been there.

Flaptail
02-27-2007, 03:08 PM
I tend to leave "smaller" fish for bigger ones, myself, I'm not interested in numbers, just quality, but if I recall the post correctly, it was 30 and up.... that size fish just might have a big one in it, I just might go to a bigger bait..... I've been there.

Exactly!:cheers:

RIROCKHOUND
02-27-2007, 03:23 PM
BassTracker..
no disrepsect...
How many 30's did you get last year?

I'll be 100% honest. I fished my ass off, had a slow summer and ended up with a fair number of 20- almost 30lb fish. I didn't weigh any so I had no 'honest' 30's...

I want a 'big fish' as much as the next guy but There is no way I'd walk away.

fish4striper
02-27-2007, 03:39 PM
I'd say 8-12 in 2 hrs

I'd like to see someone walk away from a 30 and up blitz, you're either otta yr gourd or not into fishin

Rockport24
02-27-2007, 04:14 PM
no way in hell I could walk away, but that's just me, I'm still relatively green to the sport and have never experienced a night like Flap is describing here, so I would milk it for all that it's worth. I guess if you've had your fun in the past and are really bent on a trophy, I could see moving on and looking for bigger. Fisherman are an obsessive bunch.

BassDawg
02-27-2007, 04:29 PM
Hey, fish4striper!

Not trying to stir the pot, just aiming for a different target than you are. BTW, RIHound, I caught one fish from the 30# class last year, and like you feeshed me arse off! However, last year I waz not size specific in my quests....................I would pull over anywhere, anytime, anytide and be happy with anyfeesh!! I had my spots and considered last year a productive year, but this year will be different for me aside from the occassional belly-fillers for me and my family.

Not guaranteeing that I'll be able to pull it off, but Crazy Al is Crazy Al for a reason...................prolly one of the most successful surfcasters on our waters today...............and this is his philosophy. Just thought I would give it a shot this year. Difference is not always wrong, just different.

To assume that I don't like to feesh, simply cuz my focus has changed, or because it seems foreign to your methods seems somewhat narrowminded, brah? Whaddya think, the fiddies are just gonna wave their dorsals at me and shout "Hey Tracker, we're ovah heeah!! Come and LAND us..............PLZZZZ?"

If anything I'll be doing twice the homework I did last year, which in turn means many moons on the water, more specific pursuit, and a whole new approach from a tackle perspective as well. It ain't gonna be easy! Just some thoughts, gents, tryin' to chase this chill from me bonz....................

tlapinski
02-27-2007, 05:06 PM
I ran into a situation similar to Flap's scenario 2 seasons ago on a rocky little island. Found the fish about 1 am, tide topped off around midnight. Sunrise was somewhere around 6 am or so and the action turned right off the moment you could make out a glimmer of light on the horizon. In this time frame the bass were all 25 - 35 pounds that were landed. Conservatively, I had 25 fish beached in that size range. Lost another 15 - 20 fish. Sometimes you would hook a fish, fight it for a minute, drop her, and another would slip right in and get hooked before you could even realize what happened. This was in a very rocky bowl, dropping tide, and 50# braid. So I guess in a 2 hour time frame, in this situation, I could pull 12 - 13 fish on to the beach. Put me on a sissy sand beach :bo: and I would have to say the number would be a little bit higher. This was all needlefish tossing with bass busting mullet. Several true hogs were lost in the battle, and the other 5 guys fishing with me had similar results. One of the many nights I will never forget.

NIB
02-27-2007, 05:25 PM
Sometimes it is harder(takes longer) to land a fish on a sandy beach than from a rock.Any kinda of surf making undertow an u have alot of give an take till the job is done..

Karl F
02-27-2007, 06:54 PM
Sometimes it is harder(takes longer) to land a fish on a sandy beach than from a rock.Any kinda of surf making undertow an u have alot of give an take till the job is done..
Bingo...
especially shallow water on the drop.. other side of the bar a strong possibility.. light 9 foot rod 20 pound braid, that sand bar is gonna be a factor... you can't have the drag locked.. 30 pound plus class fish.. even if you hook up in close.. it will make a vigorous run right off..you might have to cover some sand, in a hurry during the fight, as well... a lot of factors if you read Steve's original question and limit youself to those parameters, and stay true to them...

stiff tip
02-27-2007, 06:57 PM
all of um....

Rob Rockcrawler
02-27-2007, 07:37 PM
I will let ya know after this summer. :laugha:

Joe
02-27-2007, 07:44 PM
I did not read it closely enough....I also thought that it was 20# fish.....I'm not too familar with the Cape and conditions pertaining to the the bars and strength of tide...those are valid points.

But anyways - I guess we need to be very skeptical when people claim to have 500# nights or better....

tattoobob
02-27-2007, 07:47 PM
I would in noway walk away, the way the outer beach has been the last few years, I would be happy to catch stripers up to 30 pounds for 2 hours never mind over 30 pounds.

2 fish over 30 pounds last year, but I fished my butt off, and I had 6 months off.

Slipknot
02-27-2007, 08:11 PM
But anyways - I guess we need to be very skeptical when people claim to have 500# nights or better....

skeptical I guess is just part of being a fisherman I guess. I have a poor memory so I don't have to worry about remembering my lies since I tell the truth. Speaking of 500 pound nights, I and a good friend have had 500 pound nights in about 3-4 hours of a tide a couple of falls ago. fish from 15 to 30 pounds, the average was between 20 and 25 lbs, we each had almost 3 dozen fish a piece. Fished till our arms ached, put them all back too. It was a night I'll not ever forget. 600 pounds of fish each was a lot of fish. We had a good week or 2 and that night was the peak. You can believe it or not.
I bet if our other friend K was there, he would have done just as well too :)


Flap, I hope that scenario happens this year and I am there, because I'd be happy with just 1 30 on a needle.:ss:

striperman36
02-27-2007, 08:40 PM
On needles 5. Too many other sand eels if they are slurpin

Karl F
02-27-2007, 09:14 PM
skeptical I guess is just part of being a fisherman I guess. I have a poor memory so I don't have to worry about remembering my lies since I tell the truth. Speaking of 500 pound nights, I and a good friend have had 500 pound nights in about 3-4 hours of a tide a couple of falls ago. fish from 15 to 30 pounds, the average was between 20 and 25 lbs, we each had almost 3 dozen fish a piece. Fished till our arms ached, put them all back too. It was a night I'll not ever forget. 600 pounds of fish each was a lot of fish. We had a good week or 2 and that night was the peak. You can believe it or not.
I bet if our other friend K was there, he would have done just as well too :)


Flap, I hope that scenario happens this year and I am there, because I'd be happy with just 1 30 on a needle.:ss:

Slip.. I just did the math.. figured... 4 hours, 36 fish (each) that was a cast, a hookup, a fish reeled in, (cranked, no time for a fight) and released every 6 and a half minutes!!!! Yikes......no time to retie, or even take a sip of water! :) and averaged in the mid twenty #'s.. :kewl:

bassmaster
02-27-2007, 09:29 PM
skeptical I guess is just part of being a fisherman I guess. I have a poor memory so I don't have to worry about remembering my lies since I tell the truth. Speaking of 500 pound nights, I and a good friend have had 500 pound nights in about 3-4 hours of a tide a couple of falls ago. fish from 15 to 30 pounds, the average was between 20 and 25 lbs, we each had almost 3 dozen fish a piece. Fished till our arms ached, put them all back too. It was a night I'll not ever forget. 600 pounds of fish each was a lot of fish. We had a good week or 2 and that night was the peak. You can believe it or not.
I bet if our other friend K was there, he would have done just as well too :)


Flap, I hope that scenario happens this year and I am there, because I'd be happy with just 1 30 on a needle.:ss:

yeah until u came up whine in mah ear
that week a few years back another time when i had to drag them fish all that week up that hill sucked big time

Slipknot
02-27-2007, 09:45 PM
I wasn't the one whining that night, it was Jim :p
Atleast 30 fish Karl, I stopped counting at 25
A fish on most every cast at the peak, we'd go 1 cast without a fish and say hey, where'd they go?:D 20 pound was average, the fish were mostly around the 40 inch mark, easy to winch in at 12 lbs of drag, give them nothing, land them in a couple minutes tops, the 30's took a little more time, then a moment to rest. Twinkees surf in across the top. When you're used to doing it every day, it's easier. 10 fish per hour is not that hard to do the way we did it. Ya drive yourself to cast again because they aren't there for long and winter is a long time.

zimmy
02-28-2007, 10:46 AM
I hope I am lucky enough to have that happen to me once or twice in my life . I can't imagine anyone actually walk away from that :eek5: ... I think for most fishers, especially those of us who have only been serious at this in the recent decades, a 2 hour solid bite by 30lb plus bass would be a night of a lifetime. Maybe if they were mostly 10-20 lbs you might leave after a bit, but 30lbers?

I would be interested to know how many people have had a night of legitimate 2 solid hours of 30lbers (say 6-10 fish @ 30lbs+) in the last 15 or 20 years from shore. Man that just seems like an unusual event these days. But maybe I just don't fish enough and the right places :cool: .

jim sylvester
02-28-2007, 11:08 AM
I hope I am lucky enough to have that happen to me once or twice in my life . I can't imagine anyone actually walk away from that :eek5: ... I think for most fishers, especially those of us who have only been serious at this in the recent decades, a 2 hour solid bite by 30lb plus bass would be a night of a lifetime. Maybe if they were mostly 10-20 lbs you might leave after a bit, but 30lbers?

I would be interested to know how many people have had a night of legitimate 2 solid hours of 30lbers (say 6-10 fish @ 30lbs+) in the last 15 or 20 years from shore. Man that just seems like an unusual event these days. But maybe I just don't fish enough and the right places :cool: .

zimmy
decksweeper and i got into 25-30 lb class for 3 hours straight last year. A night i will NEVER forget. He was picking up fish cast after cast, I was into 2 fish to his 6, and i was 50 yards south of him.
He calls me over to get to the rock he was on, which put me in a sticky situation going neck deep to get there for about 20 feet. I knew it was worth it, had to get there. When i finally got to the rock, a helping hand got me out of the water and the games begun

these fish were in front of us for A SOLID 3 HOURS, cast after cast. It got to the point where we were laughing like school children.

end of the night, exhausted, we enjoyed a couple of cold ones reminicing.





sorry to bring this night up again Joe figliuolo, I know hearing this makes you go back to therapy

JFigliuolo
02-28-2007, 12:02 PM
zimmy
decksweeper and i got into 25-30 lb class for 3 hours straight last year. A night i will NEVER forget. He was picking up fish cast after cast, I was into 2 fish to his 6, and i was 50 yards south of him.
He calls me over to get to the rock he was on, which put me in a sticky situation going neck deep to get there for about 20 feet. I knew it was worth it, had to get there. When i finally got to the rock, a helping hand got me out of the water and the games begun

these fish were in front of us for A SOLID 3 HOURS, cast after cast. It got to the point where we were laughing like school children.

end of the night, exhausted, we enjoyed a couple of cold ones reminicing.





sorry to bring this night up again Joe figulero, I know hearing this makes you go back to therapy

FU!!!! i had banished that from my mind. Now I'm REALLY gonna come over there and Kick your @$$

In The Surf
02-28-2007, 12:20 PM
I would be interested to know how many people have had a night of legitimate 2 solid hours of 30lbers (say 6-10 fish @ 30lbs+) in the last 15 or 20 years from shore. Man that just seems like an unusual event these days. But maybe I just don't fish enough and the right places :cool: .

Not going to go into detail (sorta already did twice in the last week).
Timing is everything, being at the right place the right time early season when these classes of fish make the push through is incredible. In my case it was back to back nights at the same place while fishing solo.

pal156
03-01-2007, 06:31 AM
10 - 15 depending on conditions

JPowers
03-01-2007, 10:28 AM
Slipknot - quote:

" I wasn't the one whining that night, it was Jim."

Hey!!!!!! I wasn't whining..... and Dave wasn't even there that night.

We each had at least a 500# ( more like 600#s) that night. I do remember how bloody my hands and clothes were.

bart
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
who in their right mind would walk away from a blitz of 30# fish? :doh:

Slipknot
03-01-2007, 11:39 AM
sorry Jim :hidin: you're right, he was not there, we were the only 2 maniacs. Let me re-phrase that , uhhh I wasn't the one making comments about how beat and tired I was, that was Jim, but he is much smaller than I but in great fishing shape for an accountant ;) I was just glad you did not have any technical difficulties that night. We need another of those some time soon, but maybe at another location:faga:

JPowers
03-01-2007, 12:15 PM
Slip,

Yep. I'm an accountant ( sit at desk all damn day). However....
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I can keep up with the Neanderthals. :btu: :rotf2:

And.... for the record. I figured that night was more like 800#s

avrg fish 22.5# X 36+ fish = 800#s ( plus/minus)

quick decision
03-01-2007, 04:19 PM
Would anybody be willing to take me with them this summer and show me a situation like this? Seriously.

jim sylvester
03-01-2007, 04:47 PM
Would anybody be willing to take me with them this summer and show me a situation like this? Seriously.

you can't pick night like this...only dream of them and hope they come true

decksweeper and I were lucky enough one night, as was slipnot and jim

although they are rare nowadays, I guess they were the norm in the golden years

rockhopin2
03-02-2007, 01:52 PM
[QUOTE=jim sylvester;468798]zimmy
decksweeper and i got into 25-30 lb class for 3 hours straight last year. A night i will NEVER forget. He was picking up fish cast after cast, I was into 2 fish to his 6, and i was 50 yards south of him.
He calls me over to get to the rock he was on, which put me in a sticky situation going neck deep to get there for about 20 feet. I knew it was worth it, had to get there. When i finally got to the rock, a helping hand got me out of the water and the games begun

these fish were in front of us for A SOLID 3 HOURS, cast after cast. It got to the point where we were laughing like school children.

end of the night, exhausted, we enjoyed a couple of cold ones reminicing.


Its so sweet same thing happened to myself and Jim D in late november 2005 3 hours of fish in the 30lb range. I landed about 15 fish Jim 18 and it could have been more but i spent a bit of time changing crushed VMCs. :beat:

and we also had a few victory sodas:cheers:

Flaptail
03-02-2007, 02:17 PM
It happens occasionally. I had several nights last year where it happened. Three on the outer Cape in the fall, one on the shores of CC Bay late fall and one on a rocky island south of Woods Hole in the dead of summer.

Being on the water as much as possible and being willing to explore new areas and do the leg work ( and believe me it takes leg work)

If you are serious about your fishing, who you with fish is serious and committed and study the area in depth that going to fish and youre willing to put up with endless fishless or almost fishless nights, the aches and pains and stay focused it will happen to you eventually.

Thank you all for contributing to this thread,

Flap

JPowers
03-02-2007, 04:23 PM
Flap - quote:

"...... and youre willing to put up with endless fishless or almost fishless nights, the aches and pains and stay focused it will happen to you eventually. "


Well said and absolutely accurate.