A colleague sent me this, you fighter plane geeks out there may be interested in viewing it….


"This is a video of an in-flight demonstration flown by the Russian SU-30MK fighter aircraft. You'll not believe what you are about to see.
The fighter can stall from high speed, stopping in less than a second. Then it demonstrates an ability to descend tail first without causing a compressor stall. It can also recover from a flat spin in less than a minute." Take a look at the video with the sound up:
http://www.crazyaviation.com/movies/CA_SU-30.wmv (http://www.crazyaviation.com/movies/CA_SU-30.wmv)

awesome video . its amzing the things that jet can do with out breaking up or crashing .

thanks for sharing

ka-ooool ! I think they call that type of vertical stall "A CRAZY IVAN"

that's gotta hurt.

Very cool video. Does the US have any jets that can do comparable tricks?

Very cool video. Does the US have any jets that can do comparable tricks?

No. The reason that jet can do all of that stuff is the small "canard" wings just aft of the cockpit but just ahead of the main wings. The U.S.A.F. and other flying services have shifted all of thier design decisions to incorporating stealth technolgy into a multi=role fighter meaning one plane in several variations like one being able to launch and land from a carrier and others as ground support or pure fighter. The US F-22 Raptor is now being deployed after it's debut in 2005.

In a standard dogfight the SU (Sukhoi)-60 would have air superiority. We rely on getting to them before they see us and pilot training. Obvioulsy that Russian jock is one of thier best. 90% of the others in the Russian AF don't get but a few hours every month if they are lucky. All our guys get hundreds more hours especially the Air Guard pilot's who fly commercially and get more air time training than most full time AF Jocks.

The Swedes make a jet like that with canard wings but like the SU-60 they are not stealth designed so they show on radar as what they are 50 foot long jets.

good stuff SM and Flap. Thanks. :btu:

Thanks Sandman:yak6: I really :yak: enjoyed:uhoh: the ride:yak6:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the F22 and J.S.F. both have vectored thrust.
The ability to change the angle of the exhaust nozzles.
Different method, similar results.
Maybe not at the the slow speeds like in the video but similar.
The US planes can still see and blow anything else out of the sky long before the other guy even has a clue.
And as far as flight time ...
You can buy a Russian "MIG joyride" vacation.
http://www.incredible-adventures.com/migs/planes.html
That's how their pilots get some of their flight time.
When I win MY 340 mil tomorrow that's on the list.

Flaptail.....ever watch "Dogfights"?

The Russian "Flanker" SU-27 aircraft can do those maneuvers without canards and without thrust vectoring nozzles. Not as easily as the newer SU30-MK/MKI aircraft but they can still do it. They allow a lot higher angle of attack, in fact the pilot must override the flight computer to allow such high angle-of-attack to do something like the "Pugachev Cobra" (search video on that ;) ). The Mig-29 can do most as well. Keep in mind a lot of these aircraft have crashed doing these little tricks.

Adding the canards and the 3D Thrust Vectoring (TV) to the Russian aircraft (and India - China does not have the TV engines - yet) can give a skilled pilot a lot of advantage in a furball with our pilots.

US aircraft do not have that similar combination of canards, 3D TV nozzels. The just reaching squadron service F-22 Raptor has "2D" (up and down) thrust vectoring and they feel that it is all that it needs. The F-35 JSF (not yet in production) does not have thrust vectoring. The F15 has decent juice but no TV and not quite the cornering of the Flankers. The F16 is great at fighting in a one circle fight and turns well at higher speeds and higher altitudes, the F18 likes to fight low and slow. One Navy F18 pilot I saw in an interview said no fighter he has ever flow gets slower faster than an F18 and no fighter takes longer to get faster again (good and not so good). All planes have particular strengths that you want to make the other guy fight you fight and not his.

The F-22 can do some of the tricks that a Flanker can do a few of its own, and there is that little stealth feature and also supercruise (flying faster than sound without afterburner). The F35 is supposedly low stealth meaning stealthy head on but not as much as the F22 from other angles...

In a one on one "guns" dog fight with similarly skilled pilots the Flanker will possibly win more engagements due to a more maneuverable aircraft. In shorter range missile engagements within visual range the Russian missile can supposedly be launched well off bore site, almost over the shoulder (60-80 degrees off center in either direction) and track its target as the pilot wears a helmet mounted site. The US has some of this capability with the AIM-9X sidewinder but that isn't as available.

As for the Flanker making all those turns that the F15/F16/F18 can't and the theoretical use of the "cobra" and a missile launch does have one big glaring problem for the Russian (Chinese, Indian, Venezuelan, Malaysian, whoever) he's dead by the other guys wingman because while he may have gotten one of his targets he is now dead in the air with little or no airspeed because those manuevers only happen at lower speeds <300KTS and brings his speed down so quick where he needs to gain speed and energy again to do much of anything.

Others argue that if you've gotten so close to a Flanker that you are in a knife fight that you've screwed up.

I'll try to dig up a couple videos... Otherwise Youtube Pugachev Cobra

I'm not a fighter pilot but I play one on PC :bl:

Watch this one....:buds:

http://glumbert.com/media/planecrash

Bill - that one is a classic... Too many dumb moves to mention


Check this Flanker:

http://striped-bass.com/images/lomac/Barrel.avi

http://striped-bass.com/images/lomac/Su35.avi

I'm not a fighter pilot but I play one on PC :bl:

Funny thing my son in law is a pilot, flew alot of Lears and is a 767 captain for American, and says he couldn't fly a fighter if his life depended on it, doesn't have the instintcs. Says these guys are born with what it takes, react before they see whats coming and are super ahteletes taking the G's they do. I never cease to be amazed by these guys.:)