Hey Guys, quick question for you....Do you use Color Preserver on the Under wraps before you put the guides on or do you put the guides and over wraps 1st.

Any Help is always appreciated...Thanx

I try not to use any color preserve, I try to plan my colors so I don;t need it. The problem with CP is if you miss a spot..It shows after epoxy id applied. Had some real horror shows with CP.

Hey Guys, quick question for you....Do you use Color Preserver on the Under wraps before you put the guides on or do you put the guides and over wraps 1st.

Any Help is always appreciated...Thanx

I usually put two coats CP on underwrap first, then put guides on. You can put a third coat on after the guide wraps are done if you want. With no CP on the underwrap, you need to make adjustments for the color change as it will be darker without the CP.

So the Color Preserver should keep the underwraps from darkening? thats what I am after as I like the color as is and don't want it to change.

I see what your saying Dave....but being the Rookie at this I already did the under wraps before I asked the Question. So I want them to stay as is if possible.

yes, several coats of cp, thin it with some alcohol, if I use the cp I do about 4-6 light coats...
To get an idea of how your color will change if you dont use cp, just put some alcohol on the wrap and see what color it changes, it will quickly dry and go back to normal.. Sometimes I like the thread color and use the cp, sometimes it looks better darker with no cp. The choice is yours...

I have skipped color preserver occasionally, but I find that there are way more bubbles when you apply finish over threads without cp. The cp fills in the space between the threads. While I haven't missed a spot with cp yet, I do have a rod that I just put a few coats of cp on this weekend. For some reason, the one wrap has a spot that seems to have gotten wet or something. The cp basically turned opaque white. I tried to fix it, but haven't had mush success. In any case, I like it for its sealant properties.

milk thoes wraps!!! i warm the c p in warm water and apply on under wraps and everything else,,, thats my opinion

Dem Wraps just got milked with one coat...gonna do a second in a little while.

TDF, try to plan your threads so you don't have to use CP in the future, the crap causes nothing but problems, ie: blotches, uneven colors, and no epoxy penetration. I've tested wrap that I've CP'd by tearing them apart after the finish coat of epoxy and there is zero penetration to the blank. I just do not like that.I found that If I test my colors(nylons) and use metallics when possible, there is no need for CP. JMO.

does some thread need cp and other don't? what makes you decide if you will use it or not?

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Dave, i will try that next time. I used it this time and it did darken the thread a little.

This time around I had already wrapped the underwraps when i asked this question so I didn't want to do it again with a lighter thread. I still have another blank to do so I will try it on that one and see what happens

The more CP you use the better chance of failure you have.
CP blocks the epoxy from adhering to the blank.

I hate cp.

Sometimes you must use it. When I do , i wrap the whole guide , then apply the CP to the areas I want protected. i try not to get any on black thread because then it is not jet black when epoxied.

If I use cp , I put on a lot , like way too much , no attempt at a then coat. Then i wick off the excess. That way it soaks right in. I seldom use more than 2 coats of cp but have used 3 on very light , bleed prone colors. i also use it when I do fancy work using madeira thread, the madiera thread version I use has a sizing which will fish eye bad if the epoxy is applied without the cp first.

Did i say I hate cp.

You guys are Scaring Me :shocked:

how about CP on decals and such? is it only bad news on the guide wraps?

I coat the edges of decals with CP so they don't lift up the glue by the solvents in the epoxy. I sometimes coat the whole decal but usually just a little around the edge to seal it. It depends on the decal and what its made of. If it seams at all porous , I coat the whole decal.