So whats everyone's opinion of what happened ?

Do you mean New Bedford?

Do you mean New Bedford?


Ya, thats it! Fall River / New Bedford, same thing, shiet hole towns !!!
Where the busted the sweat shop full of illegal immigrants , shipped a lot of them out of state, and now the Kerry, Kennedy, Barney frank, along with Deval Patrick are on the news because they separated families!

Ya, thats it! Fall River / New Bedford, same thing, shiet hole towns !!!
Where the busted the sweat shop full of illegal immigrants , shipped a lot of them out of state, and now the Kerry, Kennedy, Barney frank, along with Deval Patrick are on the news because they separated families!

Wouldn't exactly call them sheit hole towns - like most, they have their good and bad....

I'm really disappointed in how the democratic royalty of Mass are rallying to the call of the poor undocumented worker instead of the intent and spirit of the law. This should have started long before IMO and should not stop now. If people are SUPPOSED to be here legally I have no problem. I know many that are the American born children of undocumented workers so I do understand them but society has a real problem on its hands with people burdening the system that are not here legally - that needs to change.

You want to come to the US quicker, legally? Serve in the Armed Forces. You want to come a different way, go through the proper channels.

What part of "illegal" do the MA dems not understand!?

I liked the way Dennis & Callahan put it this morning,
They should let all of the cons out of prison because they have been separated from their kids also !

I liked the way Dennis & Callahan put it this morning,
They should let all of the cons out of prison because they have been separated from their kids also !

:rotfl:

if given the chance.... more than half the worlds population would migrate to America and then it would no longer be America because it would be complete chaos. For many years women come to America Pregnant so that their child is born in America and then is considered an American. Many of our Laws need to be clarified.:faga:

if given the chance.... more than half the worlds population would migrate to America and then it would no longer be America because it would be complete chaos. For many years women come to America Pregnant so that their child is born in America and then is considered an American. Many of our Laws need to be clarified.:faga:

I agree 100%. The Anchor baby clause needs to be changed. Yes my family came over here from somewhere else too, but that was in 1634. The world has changed a lot in the last 373 years.

I think we (the USA) are the only industrialized nation in the world that accepts immigrants. The rest of the world tells visitors, you can visit but can't move here. So why should we just accept everyone? I say close the borders and deport anyone who is caught here illegally.

If a person does everything right and goes through the immigration process I have no problem at all with that. But these illegals who get here and expect to stay without doing it the right way......screw them. And as far as the amnesty thing, NO WAY. The country did that in 86 and it didn't solve a thing.

I also think that the A$$-Wipes that run the factory should spend a little time in an 8x8 room so they can think about there part in this whole mess too.

I can find to grudge to bear against someone who's working hard to make a buck. All our jobs have the little unethical Points that are necessary to get the job done and the money in. Theirs was that they were here illegally. That illegality has and will blow like a fart in the wind back and forth with the public's opinion.
Having said that the real villians here are the factory owners. There are established labor laws. They chose to ignore them. They then chose to treat their help like slaves. Hang the owners..

I also agree...if you're here illegally- - - - you should get treated like a criminal - If you're supporting illegals, you're also just as guilty...if not more. I heard some nasty rumors about that sweat shop and how the illegals were treated. Going back to what Dadfisherman said...the owners should also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law..

I heard they were only provided with 1 roll of toilet paper per day and they had to pay penalties for being late, leaving early, talking to a co-worker, a whole list of silly conditions in where they'd lose some of their petty pay. And I don't mean, they'd get 'docked' the time they were late, they actually had to pay fines quadrupling their hourly rate. Part of the price you pay for doing things illegally I guess.





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However, as I am a Fall Riverite....I don't appreciate someone calling my town a "shiet hole" town. Perhaps it's run down, a little tired, a little over populated with scum-bugs...but let's not label a whole community due to some bad publicity, whether in the past or present. No personal offense taken - it just doesn't have a nice ring to it in my head when I play it back.

I think the idea that they have legal american children does complicate the issue. by a twist of fate the kids are born here and therefoe every bit a citizen as any of us. They have a right to be here and they need their parents. I know its a bad loophole that all illegals have to do is have a baby to be set here but i honetsly think the kids have all the rights of a citizen and they need their parents.

I think the hammer should come down hard on the employers. They enable the whole mess. In fact , i think they encourage the whole mess because word gets back that jobs are available for illegals and they flock here.

The owners of the factory were back in business the day after the raid...WTF? They should lose their $90 million gov't contract and the business should be shut down. And the dirtbag that was in cahoots with them - that provided the fake Social security numbers and false documentation - needs to be locked away also. Everyone yacking about these illegals taking away jobs from real Americans is just BS. The scumbag factory owners and managers would never ever agree to pay LEGAL hourly wage - would cut into their profiteering way too much....would rather pay low wages, not supply running water, working toilets, etc and import slave labor. Besides, who of us would work in those conditions ????? :realmad:

DO YOU BELIEVE THESE RESTRICTIONS SHOULD BE PUT IN EFFECT ?



1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the
schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.

2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.

3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.

5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no “bad-mouthing” our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be
hunted down and sent straight to jail.



Harsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of " MEXICO " !

I don't think many people would beating down the doors to immigrate to Mexico even without those laws....

Thats why we ain't Mexico

I have mixed feelings, the law was broken when they illegals entered the country and the law was broken when they were hired. I belevie both should be punished.
It is troubling that when immigration laws are enforced, the enforcement agencies get blamed, thats wrong. We should support those that uphold the law. If a starving person steals bread to feed his family, he/she is punished, regardless of if they have children. Not sure why this is different?

The most common excuse I hear from those who want illegal immigration ignored or refuse to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration is: "These poor people are simply trying to better their lives". If we carried that rationale out a few more degrees we could excuse most crimes. Our prisons are full of people who commited crimes as a shortcut means to "better their lives".

I can't get too upset about the people who want to come to America. that is easy to understand. I'm not sayiong they should be allowed to enter illegally but i do understand them wanting to come , any way they can.

for the people who are profiting from them , especially a government contractor???? They should get nailed.

Thats why we ain't Mexico
It's just a typical Bushbot response when challenged...lower the bar so they feel good about America.

Mexico is more anti-immigrant so we should be to.

We've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis but Saddam killed more.

We've tortured but look at when they do to our guys.

etc...

-spence

It's just a typical Bushbot response when challenged...lower the bar so they feel good about America.

Mexico is more anti-immigrant so we should be to.

We've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis but Saddam killed more.

We've tortured but look at when they do to our guys.

etc...

-spence


Hey those sound a little like this one; "When Clinton lied, nobody died". LOL

are we anti-immigrant? I know many non-resident, legal immigrants that would disagree. I've been to a few naturalization ceremonies, brought tears to my eyes as it did to many of the participants.
We all should be anti "illegal" immigrant.
Why is this a Bush thing? Illiegal immigration is a major problem, it puts an economic burden on health care, schools, and security. I dont have a solution, but ignoring the issue and not deporting those that broke the laws of the contry they want to be part of makes no sense.

It's just a typical Bushbot response when challenged...lower the bar so they feel good about America.

Mexico is more anti-immigrant so we should be to.

We've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis but Saddam killed more.

We've tortured but look at when they do to our guys.

etc...

-spence

are we anti-immigrant?
Generally speaking no...but that's the point.

I'm just illustrating the silly nature of comments like this.

-spence

It's just a typical Bushbot response when challenged...lower the bar so they feel good about America.

Mexico is more anti-immigrant so we should be to.

We've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis but Saddam killed more.

We've tortured but look at when they do to our guys.

etc...

-spence

Ummm........I haven't heard anyone, not a single person say America should emulate Mexico's immigration policies especially George Bush. So much for your Bushbot theory.

Why is this a Bush thing? Illiegal immigration is a major problem, it puts an economic burden on health care, schools, and security. I dont have a solution, but ignoring the issue and not deporting those that broke the laws of the contry they want to be part of makes no sense.

Because all national and world problems are directly or indirectly Bushs fault to the Moonbats.

Unfortunately sometimes people don't see the difference. Thats the sad part.

I agree something needs to be done though

are we anti-immigrant? I know many non-resident, legal immigrants that would disagree. I've been to a few naturalization ceremonies, brought tears to my eyes as it did to many of the participants.
We all should be anti "illegal" immigrant.
Why is this a Bush thing? Illiegal immigration is a major problem, it puts an economic burden on health care, schools, and security. I dont have a solution, but ignoring the issue and not deporting those that broke the laws of the contry they want to be part of makes no sense.

Because all national and world problems are directly or indirectly Bushs fault to the Moonbats.

hehe...Moonbat.

Every time I hear a political pundit or talk show host use the term I giggle. There may not be a better political term to describe that certain segment of the looney left.

During the last gubernatorial election here in Boston, Howie Carr claims he had just come from the polls and the Deval Patrick moonbats were everywhere. Grown men in suits with bow ties riding three-speed bicycles to work with helmets and backpacks. Grace Ross lookalikes.... I was in tears I was laughing so hard.

I wonder how they are all feeling now? He may have just had the worst first 2 months as a governor in the history of our country. :laugha: :laugha: :laugha:

i hope that doesnt qualify me as a "moonBat"

i truly hate BUGS really and i only inhale

no see-ums on rare occaision.... really !

:bl::D:hf1:

i hope that doesnt qualify me as a "moonBat"

i truly hate BUGS really and i only inhale

no see-ums on rare occaision.... really !

:bl::D:hf1:

I think you are safe Raven.... unless of course I found you doing a crossword puzzle in a dark room.:cputin:

I think there are many sides to the issue.
Cut and dry side:
1. The owner should do time.
2. The illegals should be deported, because they do not contribute tax $$$$ for the idiots Washington to waste.
3. The military should know with whom they do business.

On the human side:
1. It is a very sad story for every person involved.
2. Every one of those people worked their butt off.
3. They were exploited by scumbags that feed on their needs.

I think there are many sides to the issue.
Cut and dry side:
1. The owner should do time.
2. The illegals should be deported, because they do not contribute tax $$$$ for the idiots Washington to waste.
3. The military should know with whom they do business.

On the human side:
1. It is a very sad story for every person involved.
2. Every one of those people worked their butt off.
3. They were exploited by scumbags that feed on their needs.

Sad and true...

and how much money will be spent when all is said and done on this operation?


:behead:

I too agree with Parker 23 but what gets me is why doesn't the goverment treat drug dealers, gangers and crimals that way.

I think you are safe Raven.... unless of course I found you doing a crossword puzzle in a dark room.:cputin:

well i have night blindness actually....

meaning that it takes me longer than most to

adjust my retinas to lower light levels

such as when in movie theaters ....
but afterwards i can see twice
as good as the average person in the dark.

I too agree with Parker 23 but what gets me is why doesn't the goverment treat drug dealers, gangers and crimals that way.

i saw this today...thought it was interesting...as hell

there's these smart Mexicans that started a tourist business within
Mexico's borders of letting people pretend to smuggle
themselves into the USA ..hiding in the desert..crawling
thru mud and tunnels ...the whole nine yards...for $20 dollars
per person... and they're making $1000 dollars per day.

:jester:

WOW - Now they are training to cross the border.....:rocketem:

If all ethnic groups in this country worked as hard as the Mexicans, we'd all be a lot better off.

If we really tried to close the border, I'd get a lot more worked up about illegals being here. I used to care more, then I realized the government really doesn't care, so now I don't care.

I think some areas of the economy are pretty dependent on illegal labor by now. We made the bed, now we have to sleep in it.

if suddenly all the mexicans went back to mexico in mass...
we'd all be in deep mierda.

I too agree with Parker 23 but what gets me is why doesn't the goverment treat drug dealers, gangers and crimals that way.

Many of these people are criminals. Reentering the U.S. illegally after being deported, which many of these folks did, is a FELONY!

when i worked on the Ranch in California................

we'd give our illegal aliens a ride back to mexico and then
they'd travel back home to their hometowns...
sometimes we'd drop them off all the way...home.

in three days they'd be back ...with big smiles on their faces
having walked all the way back from Tecate.

no fence could ever stop them...nor will ever stop them

their as clever as coyotes.

i laughed when i heard George w Bush say the word
kay yo tee yesterday.... hahahahahah :rotfl:
just like he said "the google"
what a goofball ...and he's a rancher from TEXAS? :huh:

they pronounce it KOY- yo- tay... = smuggler.

It does not matter how hard Illegals work. Matter of fact that works against them since the sweat shops thrive on that fact and the fact that they will not go an blow the whistle on the piss poor conditions.

First thing that needs to be done is to overturn the conviction of the two US Border Agents that were wrongfully Jailed and then put the PUKE drug runner that testafied against them in JAIL and LET HIM ROT....

Second thing get rid of the ANCHOR BABY law . Times have changed and this LAW should be taken off the books. We as a country cannot afford to support those that have entered the country, weather they walked in or were carried in their mothers womb.

Third is to let State and Local authorities help enforce the Imagration Laws and be able to enorce local codes and laws to help them controll this flood. To many small towns are being flooded by illegals and the local econamy and municipal funds are being drained. The local PD's have their hands tied since the Imagration laws are Federal.

The US is a melting pot of diversity in race, color, religon and culture But, the POT IS ABOUT TO OVERFLOW... The Days of illegals crossing the border to make a few days of pay and go home are gone. Since our borders are so easily to cross, there are more and more that are crosssing to destroy the American Dream then to find the American Dream. Our borders are just the back door for those that plan to destruction of our way of life.

The US Goverment has an obligation to protect the citicens of this land. They have an obligation to protect OUR RIGHTS, OUR WAY OF LIFE, OUR FAMILIES from HARM. Harm from those that drain our resources and feed off of agencies that OUR taxs paid to maintain.

I welcome those that follow the laws of this land and enter LEGALLY. I do not welcome those that BREAK THE LAW and enter illegally and then live as a parasite off our local, state and federal monies.

Drugs flow through the borders. Should we make them legal since we cannot stop them. I say NO and I say just beacause you are here and working ILLEGALLY, you should not be allowed to stay.
Treat them with human decency but rememeber they commited a CRIME and they should go back to their country of Origin.

Families will and may be broken up, but they took this chance when they broke into our country...Folk their are two lines, one to the South and one to the North...Stay in line or you will not be alowed in...

I can't disagree with a single point of TBurgs post. He nailed it.

It does not matter how hard Illegals work. Matter of fact that works against them since the sweat shops thrive on that fact and the fact that they will not go an blow the whistle on the piss poor conditions.

First thing that needs to be done is to overturn the conviction of the two US Border Agents that were wrongfully Jailed and then put the PUKE drug runner that testafied against them in JAIL and LET HIM ROT....

Second thing get rid of the ANCHOR BABY law . Times have changed and this LAW should be taken off the books. We as a country cannot afford to support those that have entered the country, weather they walked in or were carried in their mothers womb.

Third is to let State and Local authorities help enforce the Imagration Laws and be able to enorce local codes and laws to help them controll this flood. To many small towns are being flooded by illegals and the local econamy and municipal funds are being drained. The local PD's have their hands tied since the Imagration laws are Federal.

The US is a melting pot of diversity in race, color, religon and culture But, the POT IS ABOUT TO OVERFLOW... The Days of illegals crossing the border to make a few days of pay and go home are gone. Since our borders are so easily to cross, there are more and more that are crosssing to destroy the American Dream then to find the American Dream. Our borders are just the back door for those that plan to destruction of our way of life.

The US Goverment has an obligation to protect the citicens of this land. They have an obligation to protect OUR RIGHTS, OUR WAY OF LIFE, OUR FAMILIES from HARM. Harm from those that drain our resources and feed off of agencies that OUR taxs paid to maintain.

I welcome those that follow the laws of this land and enter LEGALLY. I do not welcome those that BREAK THE LAW and enter illegally and then live as a parasite off our local, state and federal monies.

Drugs flow through the borders. Should we make them legal since we cannot stop them. I say NO and I say just beacause you are here and working ILLEGALLY, you should not be allowed to stay.
Treat them with human decency but rememeber they commited a CRIME and they should go back to their country of Origin.

Families will and may be broken up, but they took this chance when they broke into our country...Folk their are two lines, one to the South and one to the North...Stay in line or you will not be alowed in...





:cheers: :buds:

Second thing get rid of the ANCHOR BABY law . Times have changed and this LAW should be taken off the books. We as a country cannot afford to support those that have entered the country, weather they walked in or were carried in their mothers womb.

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The "ANCHOR BABY" law happens to be the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. Which states that all persons born in the US are citizens of the US. Originally intended to grant citizenship to slaves, but it had no sunset clause in it, and it remains the law.

It's not a simple matter to "take it off the books". It has to be repealed, and that requires passage by two thirds of both houses of Congress, and then ratification by 36 of the 50 states.

The "ANCHOR BABY" law happens to be the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. Which states that all persons born in the US are citizens of the US. Originally intended to grant citizenship to slaves, but it had no sunset clause in it, and it remains the law.
And I'm not sure if we'd even want to as it's part of our heritage and perhaps a critical component to a true integrated society.

I'm not sure of how this happens across the entire EU, but I believe in Germany you could have multiple generations all born on German soil and none would be citizens.

Sounds like a good recipe for ethnic ghettos.

-spence

And I'm not sure if we'd even want to as it's part of our heritage and perhaps a critical component to a true integrated society.

I'm not sure of how this happens across the entire EU, but I believe in Germany you could have multiple generations all born on German soil and none would be citizens.

Sounds like a good recipe for ethnic ghettos.

-spence

Integration of individuals who are legal citizens of the United States is not only a critical component to a true integrated society, it is what this country was founded on. Integration of illegal aliens into our society is illegal. These laws are in place for a reason. We have been lax in their application and been asleep at the switch for far too long. However, they are still laws of our great nation, and the mere fact that they are now being enforced is no reason to call their validity or intent into question.

And they aren't called ethnic ghettos. They are now called Little Italy, The French Quarter, Chinatown and Little Havana. Thriving busseling close-knit communities of US citizens who are losing jobs to the scores of illegal aliens who have invaded their neighborhoods.

Integration of illegal aliens into our society is illegal.

And they aren't called ethnic ghettos. They are now called Little Italy, The French Quarter, Chinatown and Little Havana.
I think you're missing the point. By law we're not talking about integrating illegals.

-spence

Mike P

The Volstead Act and the 18th Amendment ( Prohibition ) was repealed when the 21st Amendment was ratified. ( I am no scholar of the constitution - I looked this up). The 21st gives states the power to control the the sale of alcohol.....If an amendment can be ratified and then repealed in 15 years then another amendment can and should be ratified to change the archaic 14th amendment.
By allowing the the 14th to go unchanged we allow for the exploitation of the mothers and fathers of those that are citizens only because the were born in this counry. The 14 th was done to correct a wrong that occured in this country and now it is allowing for a completly different wrong to be done to those that entered into the country be an ILLEGAL means.

Our Constitution is a living document that need to be "amended" to changing times. When one section of an amendment is being used as a loophole to allow for harm to be done on this country and all citizens and non citizens, then an amendment should be ratified to proctect all .

I am not expressing my views in hopes that those who LEGALLY enter this country never bcome a citizen. Those that enter legally from any country should have be allowed to make a better life for them selves and contribute to this country

When the movie is sold out do not try and enter through th side door without a ticket and then be SHOCKED when you are kicked out even when the movie is half over.

Third is to let State and Local authorities help enforce the Imagration Laws and be able to enorce local codes and laws to help them controll this flood. To many small towns are being flooded by illegals and the local econamy and municipal funds are being drained. The local PD's have their hands tied since the Imagration laws are Federal.


They already have lots of power, problem is that most democrat mayors don't want to do it. Google "Hazelton PA" for an example of what one town can do. Similar measures were recently introduced in the RI legislature.

MM - I was thinking of Hazelton when I typed that..

Repealing an existing amendment by enacting a new one--which is really how an amendment gets repealed--still requires passage by 2/3rds of both houses of Congress and ratification by 3/4ths of the states. The founders made it hard to amend the Constitution--on purpose. ;)

Now, if you were to say that Congress should repeal the ordinary laws that make the parents of anchor babies eligible for the various reliefs from deportation, that's a different story.

What ever it takes.....you the legal man and you know what it takes but it seems something needs to be done....

I for the most part just want to work , fish, fondel my wife and raise my 2 kids in a safe some what sane world......

What ever it takes.....you the legal man and you know what it takes but it seems something needs to be done....
Ok, so you get your wish. The 14th Amendment has now been modified to not regard children of illegal immigrants as US citizens.

People are still flooding across the border. Hospitals are still providing free service driving up costs. You do have a lot of children who are in the country regardless and so what's their status?

How has this improved my life?

-spence

Ok, so you get your wish. The 14th Amendment has now been modified to not regard children of illegal immigrants as US citizens.

People are still flooding across the border. Hospitals are still providing free service driving up costs. You do have a lot of children who are in the country regardless and so what's their status?

How has this improved my life?

-spence

Of course no single action will ease the burden illegals place on our country but this is a viable component of a larger plan. Kind of like the big argument that a fence wont prevent illegal entry. Of course it wont, but in conjunction with other actions it does provide a deterrent at the very least. A fence, increased border security, stiffer penalties for both illegals and employers and removing the anchor baby incentive are among the many things we need to do to curb this invasion.

I wonder if the Indians had these same conversations when the pilgrims landed.


:smokin: ......

I wonder if the Indians had these same conversations when the pilgrims landed.


:smokin: ......

I bet they wish they had.

I wonder if the Indians had these same conversations when the pilgrims landed.


:smokin: ......

Only reply to this is; A lot of the world's history has been about devide and conquer.......... We could very well be heading in that direction.

Spence,

What is your wish or ideas on how to handel this situation? You seem to be one to critique those ( Like me) that think differently from your point of view ( politicaly and socially) . If you have a personal view on what and how should this issue should be handeled, Please express it.
I am curious as to what your wish is on dealing Illegal Immagrant.

What is your wish or ideas on how to handel this situation?
I'd support a variety of measures from increased border security (but not a grande wall), harsh fines for employers, a legal guest worker program with conditions and a challenging but legal path to citizenship for law abiding and taxpaying immigrants.

Illegals are a huge part of our economy, this is just how it is.

My comments on the 14th Amendment mostly reflect that I don't think it would really do much to help matters much.

Stripersnipr pretty much confirmed this :hee:

-spence